The Yishai Fleisher Show: Jacob and Qassem's Funerals

[Music] Shalom everybody and welcome to the high fleischer show broadcasting today's show from heparin that's right heparin itself I'm in the Avram Aveeno neighborhood where our officers their officers of the Jewish community of Heffron are located and my window god bless me is right to the Avram Aveeno synagogue an ancient synagogue built in 1540 by the Spanish Jews that came to this town and of course we're on the Land of Israel Network it's a beautiful day it's about to rain soon here in the Land of Israel and we have a very special guest a very special guest for the show today and that is none other than the legendary spokesman of the Jewish community of keV Rhone and also a scholar of the maratha Machpelah of the tomb of the fathers and mothers in Tehran norm are known Shalom Shalom Shalom to everyone thank you very much for coming on my show and as you are finishing up your PhD in mathematical I have the great honor of just a little bit just a Stickle a little bit of helping you translate some of the stuff and I learned so much from it and it's really it's really fun and an honor and soon we'll be able to be able to call you a doctor norm are known today norm will be able to ask you just to spend a little time with me to talk about the Torah portion of IFE this Torah portion is a little bit of a high a Sarah a Torah portion hi Sarah but kind of the minor one right this is the return that very famous purchase that we had in case our our where Abraham purchases the tomb of the fathers and mothers to bury Sarah it's at this to a portion where we learn it's already been a burial place for everybody else for Abraham and Sarah for Isaac and Rebecca we didn't know that beforehand and we'll see that in a second and for Leia we also didn't know that beforehand and now comes the section where where Jacob is dying in Egypt after 17 years of living there and he says Joseph come to me before I die make an oath for me that you're gonna take me back to the Land of Israel make an oath they say that the reason that he had to make an oath because he knew that Pharaoh may not want to allow him to be buried outside of the land of Egypt and the oath is one which we haven't seen for a while all the way from when Abraham sent his servant to Quran to get a bride the bride who was gonna be Rebecca rifka for yak free it's like and that is put your hand under my thigh what is this business of put your hand under my thigh what is that it's really very ancient type of promising something and when you put the part of your body under somebody else's body it can be your hand it can be it's basically your hand to show that you have under him you put yourself under somebody else and be and by this you show that you are under him that his word will control you his world is something that will lead you to fulfill this will to fulfill this commandment so this is a sort of a experience in the ancient world to show that okay I'm under you I'll do what you want right and and you know know I'm when I am with my kids I've taught them to see this I said come here to my son and my daughter said come here put your hand under my thigh just like this and you have to kneel right next to the person if to kneel next to the person and you really feel the weight also the thigh is where the blood is it's a hot part of the body you could really feel that person's person you know yes yes so this is how Joseph had made this promise to his father father believe me I am going to do what you want right when Yakov say to yourself my son please take me home wait take me home take me home to my father's take me home to the place I belong to you and yourself promised father I'll do it and by that Joseph also understands that this is his home this is his place well we although although he was very young when he left his father's tent on the on the very long way to Egypt I became king in Egypt but yet his home his homeland is in Hebron raided father's and he said keygen of goon of demerit saw him I was stolen from the land of the Hebrews he knew that home is the land of the Hebrews it's very interesting phrase like edit save him it's an interesting phrase yourself everywhere when is in Egypt he is described as every knob every issue free let's remember at that time there was no Jews yet at that time the tribe of Judah did not became a tribe and there was not Israel there was him Hebrew so this is why yourself amongst the Egyptians is described in the Hebrew and we are also we are also Hebrew and we talk Hebrew so this is one of the foundations of our identity ok so Jacob is is is there in Egypt and he says look I'm here in Egypt but don't bury me in Egypt I want to lay with my fathers which really means I'm passing away right like there's this concept of leash cavia vote I write like I'll July with my with my father's but this generally means just to pass away I know that there's some it is double meaning right it's double meaning because in Jewish thought you always know that after somebody passed away he's not alone he is with his their fathers with his ancestors with all the family with all the nation of Israel is there with all them with all that Siddiq him so this is really goes to double meaning and in everyone I think we will feel it every day every minute what means to be with your fathers because even everyone we are always with our fathers you can touch the place so this really being very very special atmosphere right and what's gonna happen is that that yako is also gonna mention his father's he's gonna say the name of our enemy come in this Torah portion a few times in one of them is in the very famous verse where the sons of Yosef are blessed and he says the famous verse right the famous verse is harmonica coil Oh Tameka Ravana here it is this is verse we're talking about chapter xlviii mehmet a torah portion of vanity in the book of genesis verse 16 melaka gwai-lo TV : even a catenary the angel who protects me from all evil things will bless these lads these two lads your two sons they cover him show me there my name will be called upon them who's that that's Yaakov the Shem aforetime and in the name of my father's Avraham late Scott the ghoul of the caravans they should be like fish and multiply like fish in the land so he wants to put the name of the of the father's upon them what does that mean it means that he takes these two sons two Egyptian youngsters youngsters Menasha in the fire and upgrades them to the level of the Shiva team they will be like their uncles will avenge him on living and by this he actually puts the name of the vote into those two sons and it's a very important because remember they were born in Egypt to an Egyptian Prince of snot princess princess and surrounded in the Egyptian society now they become a part and I was a gay authentic part of the nation of Israel and they have the the privilege to be not like like sons of yourself but to be like signs of Yaakov so I think it's a very very important step that Yaakov is doing and to take this part of the nation of Israel and connect it very very tightly to the future of Israel now Yakov is retelling the tale a little bit now the rabbi's the read the tale of his mother's of Yosef smothers dying of her Holly made a dying the rabbi's are saying the sages see this as I know I'm asking you to bury me in my Ottoman fella but I didn't you may wonder why I didn't bury your mother in Marathi Mikayla and she was buried by herself in Bethlehem Ephrata however I'm still asking you to take me the long journey the the six-day journey to bring me to Marathi Mikayla and he kind of tries to explain look she died upon me but there isn't really an explanation of why rock Ali may know wasn't actually brought here to have Rowan Tamar anthemic Bella he just kind of tells him that the tale but why why is he telling him in your opinion why is he telling him the tale of Rockley mainly says Vinay before me pardon me pardon metal I oxen Bennet's canang but they're but they're the old ki Fateh agates Lavoie ferrata like we were on the way coming into the land from paddan-aram and and she died on the way almost had a fraught and I buried her there on the waiter frat it is beta-lactam what's what's that story about and what's the relationship between that meritum a fella kevrah he'll there are some explanations to this story and can give you the track the geographical and historical shut its that it was too far what was too far to bring a body from Bethlehem to highbrow and the conditions of that time it could it could be quite a long way and remember that Yaakov going back home did not really know what's going on here he was only used a very very long way coming from far away I think it was a very very difficult minute for him to lose his beloved wife he couldn't begin to plan this journey this funeral from Bethlehem to vibrant right and he said this is the place we must bury him allegedly it was a very very very difficult and said minute for the whole family right so this is one story that's how that's how by the way how Malka the great biblical commentator Marco Fleischer understands that us also that it was such a impossible moment for him that he didn't have the ability to keep carrying her and think of it through it wasn't like it was an old man and we're carrying it was just as broken moment and right there is where they buried her yes now their sages Ghazala they have their explanation for Hell weeping for her son's film Eva carbonelle she's there on the way where our hell sounds will be going to the galoot and she's crying for sounds and this is Colbert Manish mom her voice is being heard very loudly all over I think her voice is still there and I want to tell you something I heard from Reb Goren the late rubbishy of [ __ ] Goren that's al he was the chief rabbi of the Israeli army and I heard the story from him personally that when after they liberated you shall I'm after blowing the shofar in the cotton the the child our hyaline they moved moved the army moved southward and he came to Bethlehem in the middle of the night now there he began to search the key to enter cable hell he was going around the building and then he held something falling right next to him it was the key that the keeper the Arab keeper that was there in the one of the buildings he wrote for this a key to him he opened the gate went into kevrah in the middle of the night and said to a fella may know from ear meow who are marushin mean it collect me birthing when I'd meet him I'll weep no more Rachel stop your eyes from tears hardly full attention all my shame the Shaboom era to have a shame we'll give you back your sons from the land of the enemies v HD quality techno machine washable by namely Ghulam your son's had returned to their borders could you imagine the chief rabbi of the Israeli army is meeting the Elemeno and saying this prophecy to her okay stop crying hotel we had returned travel ban in Laguna it's so emotional now this is the Midrash she the Midrash about the cave Rafael and besides that I must tell you that there are several opinions about where hell was buried I personally believe and I think it can be proven that the today the place of heaven or hell today is the place of cave Rafael and this is the real location of Kol and I think all the other opinions that do not have historical basis to to relay upon right there are a few verses in the Tanakh not in not in not in the five books of motion a no not in the not in the Pentateuch the five books but it there are a few other verses that seem to suggest that maybe camera fell somewhere else but already two thousand years ago in the toe septa on part on my second SOTA the gazelle already explained all these verses away and said to you listen guys kevrah kyle is where you think it is it's in faith let them and there it is and of course you also know from history that that that travelers and people even in antiquity all the way to early Christian times knew exactly what the tomb of Rachel was and it's exactly where you think it is so that's great okay I'm glad you think so as well afterwards Yaakov was gonna is gonna call all his sons and give them all special blessings he's gonna bless them and he's gonna bless Yosef and yahuda with big blessings Judith this is where we are today the capital of Judaism Chevron and a lot of mentions of the wine country and of wine produce and it gives everybody their different kind of he also lays out interestingly enough where for some tribes like where they're gonna live by mentioning places like seed own or for Joseph mentioning scam the name of God the the tetragrammaton the you'd cave of K comes back for the first time in a long time and with a great phrase three a three-word phrase li shuo DVTs shem and this is Rashi says this is a reference actually to Samson to Sean and he and he gives really these these blessings which are also mirrored when we finished reading the Torah on Simchat Torah the blessings that no Charbonneau gives to the tribes as well similar stuff but we're gonna skip over that part I'm not gonna go through every blessing but then let's go back again to the Martha Michaela and and so we had Jacob making Joseph swear that he's gonna take him to the land Rashi says very kind of simply he was the one who was able to take him he had the ability but now he's gonna make the other boys the other sons also be part of this thing and he says to them he commands them very Sabbath on video Marilyn I Nina s a fella me I'm gathered on to my people he 40 L a vote I bury me to my forefathers el maraa al hemara shall be a finality to the cave which is in the field of Ephron the Hittite why does he mention effort the hata a Hittite why does he throw out just let's talk about the role dolphin the whole verse bear me to my forefathers what's the meaning of that LFO time it means take me lead me to my forefathers I wanted to say something about that why does Yaakov had decided to finish his life the last words that he said in his life we're about maritime expeller the Cave of the patriarchs Mata Marbella the commandment to his sons take me to my father's I think that of course it could do he could say many many other things as well he could say believe in God you could say be good to each other we could say that so he said he could say very very many things many good things to do it could say the negative feelings of a ballute am he could say many many good things okay Yaakov knows that when he will pass away the era of the forefathers will finish now he thinks how this faith of fame knowledge of belongingness will will will be delivered to the next generations into the future how can I ensure that my sons will go in the footsteps of many fathers well this is a crucial moment because it may understand that when the three fathers pass away a new era is going to come let's say a modern era okay you don't know what these sons will go through he finds the the mean take your sons and connect them to your father's this will ensure the future they will go in the way of the fathers this is why I had chosen to finish his life they were last word and last commandment the last will of yaqoob was one thing remember marathon acapella remember the father's go in the way and when he he knows that his sons will take him to have one not only a safe this is why I say to all the sounds not only of Swift take me home take me with my return of Pilar and he knows that they will get the impression of this place the meaning of this place and will go with it forever right and and and also come to this place all the sons see it pass that story to the next generations and then you're gonna have the guy who's gonna finally come to the Land of Israel that's gonna become a venue funa he's gonna know his way to Martha Martha he'd heard about it maybe somehow even snuck away and visited it but he but he had heard of this place and he comes and connects reconnects the Jewish people that story by the way by the way there are in the Apocrypha books from the Second Temple period you read it's not in the Bible not in the Talmud but there you read that all the twelve tribes were buried also in what do you think about them um I don't think it's historical to earth I think they will build in Egypt but I know that in legends that somehow reflect the Jewish soul not the Jewish archeology but the Jewish feelings they knew that these twelve tribes belonged to my mother Mikayla and somehow not physically but emotionally or symbolically they are also buried with the father's though tonight the organization that keeps the tomb of Joseph open for visitation is opening up the tomb of Joshua Yeshua by noon in California which is in chief O'Hara's or Timnath Kairos it's got two names which is a village right across from the town of Arielle and it'll be open till it's an arab village and will be open tonight from 10:00 to 11:00 right on the eve of the 10th of Tebbit fast so what why does why does Yaakov mention here Ella my gosh it was there for a CT because he knows that someday some other people we claim it's not yours its ours like today you know what the Arabs say this is a mosque before them Christians say this is a church and Yaakov knows and he wants to emphasize to his to his sons we had purchases from the original owner mm-hmm we purchase it right from f1 or Haiti which he had on this but this place is why I mentioned a former that opportunity to remember that we are the legal owners of this place okay let's go on to the next verse Bam Bam America in the cave a Shabbos daihama capella which is in the field of Machpelah what is the word mass appeal I mean Marbella basically mean double by the way we know today after our research that the cave is really is a double cab this is Mahatma Paulo and then the cave was named Marbella and because of the importance of the cave it gave the name to the field around so this right calls there okay good a shed and a memory okay opening means on the east world to membrane we know that no dock belong today is located eastward to a hill that even today in Arabic called Nomura Nomura which is as the Arabic pronouncing of the name memory profane membrane on very so this is meaning Alton a membrane ALP name means eastward when it's really the geographical today graphical description of the place so east of mom registered a Nomura is Martha Paula Barrett's nan goes in when Kenan a Shere Khan Avraham episode a remember our forefather our grandpa had purchased this place it's yours don't forget it a metaphor no sweetie from Ephraim the hitter now Hittites were not a big native population in the Land of Israel they're more in Turkey right yes but they were great Empire few tribes if you let's say three groups from he like people went down to else Israel as well but the most biggest huge Empire of the Vita was North in Egypt in Turkey turkey that's right metaphor of T that cover for a burial property a burial Zaman's more than that to lay holes is to hold a hose up cavalry the place that you hold forever today by the way we have the world Marquez Marquez hockey okay of course legal holding of the land is lejos Marquez now here's a very interesting verse Shama by the way the the to those who those sources that believe that Michelle Bainer is buried there's rats day I'm a felon stands for Michelle's got the accurate motion here also Shama is the same letters as Michelle Shama kaavo at Avraham vet Sarah isto okay so there they buried Abraham and his wife Sarah well we knew that Shama cavity stock vet leaf guys doe this is the first piece of time this is the first moment that we learned that rifki is in fact buried in Martha Marlen that's right that's right Yakov is completing information that we didn't know from before and very beautifully the Shama cavity Utley there I buried layer we also didn't know that previously that's right that's right weather don't forget that layer is the matter of Utah and Hebron is in the land of Yuga so it's very natural that she's buried here mm-hmm McManus Adair what does that mean the purchase of the field the field was was purchased there Mashable and the cave that is within it may at benefit from the Hittites three times we've mentioned this who's who is the original landowner and the purchase and that's the last words that's right mr. Dave America blow Edna fat and then they suffered gavel Amitabha merciful Imam Big Valley a severe fire covered supported by now okay he finished commanding his sons we suffer we suffer a glove Ella meet I gathered his legs onto the bed big van by yourself in Imam vsf Allah by the way do you remember the way that means that he that he passed away or vague Vargas's the password but it doesn't say to die the rabbi's are very into this idea that it doesn't survive that he's alive by the way do remember what Casal would say just said what did what the sons answered to him after this will they said six words Sh'ma Yisrael Adonai Eloheinu Adonai it had what does that mean cuz I'll say that they say to him Sh'ma here our Father Israel we are with you a shame Aloha a shame is our God a shame is one this was the answer of the sons to the father here comes my swell means here yeah call the person yeah cuz they listen to us we we are with you we are with you good Yosef falls on on his onions face and he cried and he kissed him and it doesn't say this but probably as the prophecy said - as as as God said to Yaakov as he's leaving the Land of Israel in pair Sheva he says I will take you down I'll bring you up and Yosef will put his eyes will hand on your eyes as it closes your eyes and then here's a weird thing Yosef tells the Egyptian doctors to mummify Yaakov yes you know you couldn't take your body right of anyone from Egypt to you to Israel without making sure that you will come completely the will and to complete I don't know you know it's just mummification is you know in popular culture is perceived to be a very Egyptian thing and then and then it's kind of done to our forefather Yaakov is that is that would you agree with that words like uh note that Aviv not camel team that's what I yes Mumia move forward team can hear ok so then they they keep him in Egypt for seventy days no in my right sorry sorry sorry maybe wait do you remember yeah no 40 days 40 days oh no and then they cried him for seventy days yes if forty days is the what the date the Tia Cove was sniff down and what the date that the our Cove was buried no in if tau he was lifting I passed away in the first day of Sukkot mm-hmm and gives you that he was buried in Hanukkah oh yes and after 70 days from Sukkot you have 15 days in Tishrei you have then 30 days in Chris van 45 then you have 30 days of make this you still you you need me 25 days makes you Hanukkah the first day of Hanukkah the play the day that Yaakov was buried in I never heard that I never heard that okay that is very interesting wait how do we know it's me when he passed away it's them s-so it it's a massage okay fine so then yourself turns to Pharaoh and he says listen if I find favor in your eyes my father made me swear saying I'm dying you know if I met BIC BIC heavly I shook a little American and I'm passing away oh excuse me I'm passing away believe me I sure could eat the birds come on Shama think about Nene right yes because the Egyptians admired everyone who has a grave and this is why they build these pyramids that every great person every royal figure had a grave so this is how Joseph convinced Perot this is the grave of Yaakov so we must take him there Verta Elena it's interesting he says I'm gonna go up now obviously North is one could see it as up but it's a little signal like the Land of Israel is still higher than the land of Egypt right he can said heparin especially in the height of about 10,000 meters above sea level so it's much higher than the Egypt very good okay that's right and you go up from Egypt on the on the coastal Sinai Road El Arish and then you go up to bear Sheva Bishop maybe Oh from Gaza from Gaza right from Gaza yes and then oh and then don't hit bear Sheva make a go east yes from Gaza of the mounds well what way the extinction okay fine hey Elena fake Murata Viva Suva I'll come back right there's a big concern here that Yosef is not really allowed to leave the lands of Israel when Yaakov was coming down he couldn't go leave to be to the land of Israel he met him in the in the land of goshen now he says I'm gonna go but I'll come back and then the next verse says that that they went up but they left him and Yosef and all the people but they left the children and they left me and they left the cattle in Egypt in the land of goshen there's some kind of concern that the Jews and Joseph are gonna leave the land of Egypt because at that time a parallel couldn't give up I mean he had to have him have them as a loyal force and very very important force in his kingdom right okay now here I wanted to ask you a question that I'm that was troubling me it says okay that they viable I'd go in a tattoo shop every hour then they came to Goren our Tod which is on the other side of the Jordan wait a minute wait a minute what do you mean other side of the Jordan there is no Jordan River in the Negev or down here in the Pharaon area the Jordan is above the Dead Sea yes of course so where's this going a tad better then supposedly it's not in the east side of the Jordan but it's the west side of the Jordan even today by the way some people call a West Bank of I mean what were the west bank of the Jordan even though the kludgy bush alignment Amman is there is no any River here no Jordan here okay but the the location of everywhere then is from somebody who looks from the east side of the Jordan he looks west and he said this is them everywhere them mm-hmm so this is from the eyes of somebody ah yes the land later on when Israel will come from the other side of the Jordan this is where this how they describe this side the west side of the children I thought every are dying every are then in general in our eyes is the others Eastside but when you come from the other side like Natesville came after understand everywhere then is here so where is Gordon a third eye I don't know really why I'm a Sammy the regime or explain this place in some symbolic some symbolic explanations but yet I think this is an open question by the way a tad later on it's it's a small tree that does not that does not really give their fruits I mean this is symbolizing that it's a symbolizing affair of a funeral of something that people mourn about something that stopped to be fruits that I think this is something symbolic meaning okay okay so then they and they did their a big what's it called like a big an event to what's called when you when you when you speak about the dead memorial the memorial into a mourning and they they do it there and everybody sees it the people of the land finally says very sort of Panov his sons took him Artsakh now to the land of Canaan vatapá Murad's damn acapella again they in the in the cave that isn't the which is which is in the field of Machpelah a shell can Avraham at the Sunday which Abraham bought as a as a field the field la whose I'll cover for an eternal burial place met if on a city again from Ephraim like this a Friday he he hit the jackpot with us he maybe he made a good business um I'd say my brain strong strong in the Bible is strong acceptable sheet right he really made a you gotta you got a lot of play here this I think the Torah it looks like the Torah whenever now Adam of paradise mentioned the Torah explains all about it and reminds that it's a perk the first purchased of the land in the Land of Israel to emphasize the importance of metamorphic belong to all the Jewish history don't forget this is your foundation this is your route this is your identity don't forget it so whenever marathon fur is mentioned we have to remember again and again and again when I give a tour and I've learned most of my touring of mouthwash Bella from you but whenever I give a tour I say to people this is the last thing that Yaakov said gave him the whole spiel and he was saying you got to remember because there's a Mitzvah in the Torah v got a Labine ha you got to remember your narrative because somebody's gonna come like a UNESCO and let us remember that about four years ago UNESCO came and said no no no this is not a Jewish building not built by King here that's not important it's not on the top of the Jewish fathers and mothers it's actually a Palestinian World Heritage Site and the people that are making trouble are the Jews Israel is endangering this Palestinian World Heritage Site so to me that was a great example of you know that that way Yaakov was warning from somebody's going to give you a different tale and Baruch Hashem in these offices we decided to fight it and that led eventually to the Trump administration leaving UNESCO specifically because of the anti Hebron decision so a great a great thing what because when you go against this truth I guess you get smashed on the rocks but let's just finish off with one more aspect which is okay the Torah tells us that they brought him and it says that they buried him there Vic bill October Mads damn a fella but the Midrash does not content with it the Madras goes into a whole talk about a final conflict Rivka's Rivka's prophecy that I don't want to lose both of you in the same day the day that Yaakov was being buried according to one Midrash that he was ace of the old enemy who stood before the brothers and said 'we are you gonna bury him here it's mine and they said to him no it's it's Yakko he purchased it and he said no he didn't and they said well we have proof and he said well what's the proof they said well you you signed the contract so he says we'll produce it sure show me the contract and they said well it's in Egypt and he said well I have all the time in the world right and and they said okay and they sent down fleet-footed Naphtali to run down there to get the the paperwork because the Supreme Court and and the the the ICJ the International Court of Justice and the ICC the International Criminal Court they all want proof and bring the proof who owned it first this is that and everybody's having a big discussion but then there was one of the stunt one of the grandchildren his name was Lucien who she means senses and Hashem he's the son of Dunne but he instead of senses he's actually hard-of-hearing so the measure says that he said what's going on they said well uncle I saw his blocking and he said that's he basically said that's not right he takes out a sword and he laps off a subs head which magically rolls into my automobile on and is buried together with Yaakov or in with the tomb in general and then they bury him there so so numb as we finish off here what why does that matter first thing do you believe that a subs head is down there is that part of Jewish knowing this is a Midrash very very interesting it improtant melash the tassel wanted to emphasize let's say a part of a sub a part of the tradition is also included in our tradition it's the head of a sub they wanted to give him a place in Merida of Villa but to say it's a conflict and we are going to win it but yet we can adapt some of his character especially keyboard of M and to bring it into our home into into our tradition this is the symbolic meaning and remember besides that that in the time of my chiny in the beginning of by Cheney this wasn't a big conflict here around Heffron with the [ __ ] the domains they were then the descendants of F a salve and they had made tough time to the Jews here and this conflict ended only in the time of the husband ian's of John woken us after he had a big victory here all the a domain got converted and became Jews and this is how their head I mean their mind came into the Jewish place I mean the domion identity had actually merged emerged and became a part of the Jewish tradition this is the symbolic Midrash that describes this process never known I want to thank you so much for being with us to talk about Martha Machpelah in here partial vino and para tomar table is not gonna go silent and the issue of the Land of Israel really goes kind of silent from here all the way through the book of Exodus through the Book of Leviticus and then halfway through or 1/4 way through of the book of Bamidbar and the next time we bump into it is California who's gonna go up to ever own he's gonna go up to fev1 and there's fascinating verses there about the story of everyone again comparing it with Egypt there's a tension between if everyone in Egypt and I want maybe I can I am if I may include as you said there is a legend a Covino did not really die and then the gamma right said massive Oberheim of Oberheim when you see his seeds is gran-gran Vincent's alive means that he is alive what does that mean it means that when you see a tree you know that this tree has roots although you then you don't see them they are buried and but the you are you are sure that they are there and they're alive this is the meaning of the vote a generator won't they are like roots of the of the nation of Israel and when you see a mistrial high you know that the roots are alive and the roots are here in one in Marathon hospital no no thank you very much legendary spokesman of the Jewish community of Chevron hear the beautiful aroma of vino synagogue you were the person in charge of of digging it out all the way naked 79 and finishing up your doctorate in Martha Mikaela I'm a male it's a shame because I mean god bless you folks we're gonna come back with Malcolm Fleischer of course here in leash I Fleischer show and if you are interested in in more of no more known let me know write me an email you shine at the Land of Israel calm maka Fleischer is up next to talk about also a ceramic tip at an amazing fast day that hasn't it three different aspects we'll be right back stay tuned stay strong stay connected known thanks again so much along it's about you know [Music] it's Star Wars Jewish over a thousand generations the Jedi Knights for the guardians of peace to inside Israel today with your Hoffman to find out the answer as he discusses the release of Star Wars 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day today is the 10th of Tibet and it commemorates really three events and I heard a beautiful way of saying it from rabbi Hillel Hara what something of Rowan he says look it's about three different things the first thing is the breech the the beginnings of the siege of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar in the first temple period the second thing that we celebrate or commemorate today is the is the forced translation of the Torah into Greek and I say forest because translation of Turin to languages is a good thing ostensibly but this was done by the king Tommy who had a great library and he wanted that knowledge that knowledge of the Torah in his library meaning he wanted to contain it not that it would could not that he would be contained within it not that he would study God's great you know now is that he imparts on us with great present but rather now he was the boss and he was gonna put it in his library along with all the other knowledge and so he brought 70 Jewish elders put him in 70 rooms goes the story and they all came back with the same exact translation so it was a miraculous event yet still darkness came upon the world it was a sad day that the Torah was shall we say brought low it was brought low but that that translation is called the Septuagint ax or the sum to urgent and but so we commemorate we fast because of that and thirdly the great leader Ezra passed away Ezra the scribe who really is the star of the second beginning of the Second Temple period he brings them back from Babylon to re-establish Jewish communal life the second wealth is going to be established through those beginning humble steps and if you think about it says rabbi Hillel Horowitz really it's the the theme that connects all three of them is disconnect the theme the connection is disconnect the element of disconnecting Jews from Jerusalem the element that's that's Nebuchadnezzar the second element is disconnecting Jews from Torah or making Torah into a cheap earthly thing a knowledge that is contained by humans I mean the humans are the bosses that's second and the third disconnect and here I actually helped him a little bit is that the third disconnect is from the sadiq the righteous person who brings it all down who is the leader of a generation who was a great man Ezra in many ways one of the greatest of all men Ezra really brought back the Jewish thing after a great depression after a great break of the destruction of the first temple which was probably the most I don't think in order to place yourself there you have to just really see yourself as a Jew who survived mass killing and you're looking at the temple being burnt and Jerusalem being destroyed in the civilization the Jewish civilization in Judea being wrecked on the smallest smallest smallest level I saw that with my own eyes in Gaza when I saw the communities of Gaza being dismantled by the Jewish state and in us leaving and I also had the knowledge that this would be uh this would mean continuous war which we're seeing today so disconnect and now rabbi Donnie Ison stock we're also so we're fasting today for those three issues disconnect from Jerusalem in the holy cities like never own disconnect from Torah and disconnect from the righteous man or the righteous Sadiq the righteous person but today we also have this this question of the question of the Diaspora so we we there's a tension there between between Ezra's passing away because it's a even take it back between Nebuchadnezzar which means the end the beginnings of the end of Jewish Commonwealth in in Jerusalem in Israel which means that we're going on into the Diaspora between the control of Greece over our area and and the third one Ezra who is a hero of taking shoes out of the Diaspora and into the Land of Israel there's a tremendous tension between the asper and Israel we see it also in the Torah portion we're talking about we're talking about a Jacob who makes and it makes Joseph make an oath don't leave me in Egypt don't bury me in Egypt that's not where we're from that's not where we're going take me back to the land and there's a prototype of how the tabernacle is gonna look like by the way that the Jews are arranged around the coffin of Yaakov they're taking him to cover on and that you know they got this this this holy place there and then Joseph says don't leave me in Egypt when it's time to go take me with you secret password pakodi of code so so one of the main themes of Judaism in general and certainly of today the 10th of Tibet is the tension between diaspora and Land of Israel Judaism and I know that you are also a rabbi Tonia are also quite concerned with the with shall we say the plight or the life of the aspera jewelry especially American Jewry not especially more than anybody else especially just because right now they've had these events over Chanukah the holiday of Lights there was an anti-semitic attack in the New York area which is like Babylon every single day and then there was a March that took place just now crossing the Brooklyn Bridge and by the way it was and yet there was another Diaspora moment which was this massive gathering of 90,000 Jews at MetLife Stadium giant stadium is that MetLife Stadium is that right yes am I correct though I think it is - to finish the seven and a half year cycle of learning the the the Babylonian Talmud so that's that's why I wanted to bring you in for for kind of just to talk about this tension a little bit tell me tell me how you feel about it like you told me this morning that we can't sell our brother Joseph and that's how you describe the choose of the aspirin you agree with that so it's amazing what you're saying you know you're bringing it in you're telling us that we're so disconnected you know Sarah Berta eight we're fasting we're crying over the loss of the temple essentially it started all started from here this is the most important fast that we have because it all started from the siege and then ended up with the [ __ ] bonnet then with the destruction of the temple and we have to today we have an opportunity we're looking at the Jews in diaspora we're looking at the Jews in Israel and we have to say let's stop this disconnect let's stop this concept of being apart from each other of not being together and we see our brothers and sisters that are suffering right now and we see them that they're going through a hard time and it's our responsibility in Israel as the brother is living in Israel right now it's our responsibility to get up and be there for our brothers and sisters that are in America so I want to tell your story that happened this week you shan't believe it okay check this out very good friend of mine and a listener to this show very good friend of mine from the New York area is suddenly in Israel and usually he would call me and let me know that he's here but he doesn't let me know and he just called me he's like I'm you know I'm here I'm gonna cover I'm like what what's going on anyway uh after talking to him he goes to me you know there was a story just now in New York area that a woman was walking the street and a black lady came up to her and decked her in the face and told her F and Jew your time is coming and I'm like whoa that's oh that's that's rough he goes yeah and that woman that was hit that was my sister and so therefore and I know the sister is well and I'm close to this family and so therefore he he came in to start checking out communities here in the Land of Israel not because and let me and let me qualify that not because of anti symmetry of anti-semitism not not quite correct more like okay the American experiment is starting to fall it's a great time to come to the land of Israel it's it's slightly different than saying like the boot the black boot of anti-semitism is kicking me out and forcing my life to be destroyed no no it doesn't hasn't gone that far but what a wonderful moment to not let it go that far and rather to be like this is the moment for me to like it's an aid so if they start thinking about the land of Israel what do you think about that so we have to be very careful first of all it's amazing amazing that people want to come to Israel they want to make a yeah thank God but it should not be the reason that people are coming here there's a lot and here a lot of backlash from people in America are saying guys this is not the time it's not nice that you're saying to make alia - because of the anti-semitic way isn't it nice because Israel is so much more than that Israel isn't a huge bombshell I said I just want you to know him to Armour arguing devil's advocate because I told somebody it's not nice right but I want to hear you explain to me why is it not nice to turn to a fellow Jew in America and say hey bro hey sister you're facing at the 7000 months you come to the Land of Israel great opportunity and we'll help you make a good life and we'll try to save your butt there so what's not nice about that again when someone is suffering and someone is going through a hard time yeah you have to be there for them our job is to be there for them and and there's the and I think America will come out of this I don't think there's gonna be this forever anti-semitism when we see it's a little different everyone's saying that it's not as bad as it was you know people are making the comparison to Germany in the 1930s again we have to be very very careful and we're talking about American Jews you're saying you're saying be sensitive be sensitive but also I think that that we have to also appreciate and realize what a great contribution the Jews in America are making to world jury they're making you know they're there for this are they were suffering are they living a life like like French jury are they making great contribution to to world jus right now maybe not maybe yes maybe not I mean you'd say but as that yju lives a life somewhere - to me like maybe a Jew doesn't necessarily feel like he's contributing or not contributing right you and I agree totally that we believe that best radish time ever we'll be here in Israel that all the Jews around the world will come here and everything will be awesome and and it's happening and it's happening we look we open our eyes and we see the key will happening we see the redemption we see Jews from all over the world are here in Israel today yeah but we also need to understand and have a little bit of I would call it and if I have a little bit of oh I know a little to be a little humble and readability a little humility and realize there's so much contribution that the reformed Jews the conservative Jews all these different kinds of people in America that they're making to Judaism it's interesting so you're putting it on the weight of contribution and I hear what you're saying I feel more like I feel more like I just I sometimes didn't want to respect the autonomy of a human being slash Jew then he doesn't want to come to the Land of Israel for X reason and I don't know the reason is and I don't know if I have the right to judge or not judge him I have a right to love him and invite him but like I have learned that that the invitation to make aliyah is also a way of saying I somehow see Fault in your life and therefore it actually distances you from a loving relationship with that person because you're kind of in some place looking down and saying you're your you have a demerit you're like your have a lower status and that is offensive to people and it causes you to be more like a proselytizer than a real friend and so that's where I'm coming from why I have a little bit less in them I like yeah you gotta make Holly all right now type of thing even though I would love it to see more and more Jews and I think millions of Jews could come to the land everybody there's something on what you're saying that I I agree with like which is like don't always like be like here's the here's the prescription here's here's what you need here's what you need I know what you need like you're a smart person you know if you need it or not I'm sharing with you of course my love of the Land of Israel but I'm but I'm not gonna approach you as a potential sales target you know I'm I don't need to sell it to you I want it I want to just love you a little bit that's beautiful I love that you mentioned also that we just finished the CEO Michelle right thousands of Jews all over the world finished learning the Babylonian Talmud and and did these awesome seems and finish it off and just yesterday we learned the second die from a set of Bravo and it says over that the Rebbe OC goes into one of the [ __ ] vote of you shall I'm right and he goes in there - Davin right and in Leo and avi waits for him at the entrance and when Robbie OC comes out of that Horvath one of the displaces that were just destroyed it might be a as the Beit HaMikdash destroyed it might be standing at the Kotel and a Leonov he's waiting for him and the first thing he asks him is what voice did you hear in that destruction and it's so important to listen to listen to what's happening like you just said to listen to your brothers to listen to our sisters listen what's going on to hear what plate they're facing to hear what's going on with them and if we have that sensitivity to listen to be there for them it's not just listen to be there and you know in a patronizing way like you said but also to realize the beauty of the jury that's out there in America yeah but the other side is is that you're saying listen listen to be there for them I'm not always so sure that they like they're kind of proud and I'm not always like I don't get the sense for my from my extended family that lives out there or from what I see in the you know Twitter Sofia or whatever that like they're like be there for me it's more like we're strong we have our own internal cohesion and we're gonna we're gonna deal with this battle which which by the way is and I wrote an essay about this which is like they have it just a different also a concept of governance of how a Jew supposed to exist it's a day by the way there's a different literary genre for it and there's a different political genre for it it's called Jew in the foreign court I don't mean that in any derogatory way at all it's just an actual literary genre called you in the foreign court that's mortified that's that's Daniel that's Yosef that's that's a genre and and they exist within that genres and the minority living in host country and we live as sovereigns in in a Jewish country facing you know surrounded by enemies so it's just a different gig and I don't I don't always get the feeling like they're like they need me right now it's more like they're like yo bro I got it I'm taking care of it and and I'm like you know what I'm needed here to focus in on my and my issues here but the but but the equation at the end means that there's a disconnect as you were saying at the beginning right so the beauty is to realize and this is not something that I've always realized especially we talked about you know different denominations of Judaism when we raised as Orthodox Jews very often we don't have an appreciation for what the reformed Jews are bringing to the table we don't have an appreciation of what the conservative users are bringing the table and there are millions of them out there and if we want to be together somehow and if you want to have if we want to let them have a space here's explore that what do you mean by it what do you mean beauty like let's just be like totally honest like religiously speaking in the sense of the growth of Torah literature Torah knowledge I don't think the reform conservative are bringing too much to the table in terms of you know that kind of innovation there is I think one field of innovation that one can point to and say that the feminist movement that came out probably from the secular were the the reformed secular form conservative movement more than it did in the orthodox movement has certainly impacted the the the orthodox movement and we just yesterday had a cm of shots for women with 3,000 women which is amazing so but like I don't know exactly what you mean like woody what do you mean by that like that's exactly it we're never exposed you know growing up here in Israel I'm exposed I go that I speak at their synagogues I speak at their synagogues but did a temple speak at your synagogues no we invite reform rabbis to come and speak an Orthodox synagogues know do we have a dialogue are we sitting together and if we're not sitting together then how are we ever gonna get together how are you ever gonna see the plight and how are you our goal and what we want is all our brothers and sisters to get together we need to start realizing and you asked a great question you said what do they bring to the table so a big something that I learned about is that the Reform Judaism from what I understand are going back to tikkun olam they're bringing back things that the Prophet spoke about then if he even spoke about you know it's beautiful that we're learning the DAF Yomi it's beautiful that we're learning it's beautiful that we're keeping the Torah and that meets votes but there's some fundamental Commandments that we don't focus on which is caring for the world you know bringing the world to a better place if that happens to be with a lot of different passes a lot of different things and we and that's something that they're bringing the table that we can really learn from we can derive we can get from them and if we learn from them that's gonna really I feel bring us a much closer place we talked about I serve a ticket is being a disconnect right so so I can hear the voice of some listeners and they're countering by saying look tikkun olam has become almost a kind of alternative religion and it's not so much Judaism anymore it's almost like tikkun olam is the religion and then Judaism is is plastered on top of it and not very well either and and that tikkun olam allows situations for being merciful to the unmerciful for example and and and become say a way to actually bash is really a Judaism and and there's a disconnect on the on the Zionist story as well you know it's it there is a lot to say there's a lot of negativity out the right there's a lot of negative we can find right we can sit here all day probably but I think on today Nessa rabbit event our job is to try to see where can we get the beauty out of out of out of it and that's why I invited you on the show today okay I actually wanted to bring that point out here on the Sabbath day but I really actually didn't want to bring that point out and you're right and you're right I want to tell you that that I when I speak at reform conservative temples or to campus the kids who are coming out of students not coming out of the reform conservative world that's actually one of my greatest pleasures there's it's one of the greatest pleasures that I have and to speak to them and just you reminded me that I spoke at Columbia Law School about a year ago and I said there look when people call Israel Jewish and democratic it's really kind of a mistake because because what we really have to focus on is not that it's tuition Democratic as it's some kind of you know home for for the rights of various kinds of people's when we're in reality what it is is a Jewish ethnic national state defending its ethnic minority in this region and a guy who came out of there from conservative world coming up to me game's up comes up to me he says is that like a fad but you're talking about it's not like uh is that looks just a verbal trick or you really believe what you're saying and I just was just a funny like moment where like where there was a clash between some of the ideological fundamentals that have been built into the tikkun olam aspect and then and then and then and then kind of what's called the spotlight it broadcasted and shined on to Israel as though that's the coloration of Israel like there's a distance in the way we even color the Jewish state because of those different perspectives so there's definitely a tension there but you're saying we got to find the beauty fine okay we'll try to find the beauty that's it no but more than that how we're gonna make it happen well you want to make that you wanted to make some kind of march here in Jerusalem or some kind of prayer rally for the for the Jews of the Diaspora and I think that proud of probably one of the things that you have to be concerned about it was whether this was going to be offensive remember there's a constitutional right not to be offended so you can easily offend it's a it's a word that when I was a kid I never even heard okay like people weren't like that's offensive but but because because we used to have to say that other phrase that I don't hear kids saying anymore which is it's a free country right but but you you you you you had that idea of somehow trying to try to show our our support and we have to do whatever we can it's our job right now you know to stand together I remember and I you know I remember I was a soldier and I was in melee and you know in Sioux k-town and the different things that were going on we got letters yeah we got letters from schools in America from Jewish communities we got packages we had people we had rallies people were standing with us right and it's our job right now to give it back and show them that we're there with them as well we're standing together with our brothers and sisters no matter what's going on and no matter what they're facing we're there together right when I go to an American synagogue today I really do bless them for continued strength for the continued strength of the rabbi and their mikvah and they're in there and they're kosher meat and their children's schools and the safety of their houses and lives and I don't even though I would love to invite them to the Land of Israel I don't pine away for the shall we say destruction of their of their life in their community that being said there is also a sense that there is a steady decline in that they ask for existence mostly not because of anti-semitism but rather the other side of the coin which I think that has not been touched enough which is 500 semitism in other words assimilation and and this so there's a kind of that's the like that's the real decline of American Jewry is assimilation and the closing of reform conservative synagogues have seen that all over the place the merging closing etc that's like the real you know pernicious devil that is eating away at American Jewelry and Semitism may very well be something that actually is gonna save them god but you can't say that but remember that 90% of all the Jews living in the Land of Israel are here because of anti-semitism so I'll say that the third redemption is not a sham we're diving for this and we're in it we're in it it's happening we see it look outside right outside where we're sitting right here to see it we say that mountains that are flowering we see we see Jews back in today and it's amazing I I want to tell you a quick story go for it I was in hu see stories are us Hebrew Union College it's a few years back and that's our forum that's so that's basically where the reef it's it's a it's on King David Street it's a beautiful building it's here like here in Jerusalem and I'm the one instance in it and not the one in Cincinnati Cincinnati right I think that's where it is yeah and and I was there you know in kind of with with geschichte yeah sure is an organization that I work for that basic tries to bring and Jews together try to bring a bridge try to make that happen and we were bringing our Kilani school a secular school in Israel high school to meet reformed Jews because in Israel there really isn't so much Reform Judaism and they wanted to meet them want to know what's going on and the reformed rabbi that was there was from America and we started talking to him and one of the kids asks raises question he goes it's basically your fault you're causing a simulation you know kind of like we just said a little bit you know there's something going on where you guys are kind of bringing it on and the guy looks at us and he kind of like just go with a kind of like a you know questioning face and he's like why it's he's like do you know that most Jews in America are totally unaffiliated they're not connected to anything you think they'll go from being totally unaffiliated to joining an Orthodox synagogue so that's never gonna happen we're out there to try to help Jews that are unaffiliated that don't know anything about you know Judaism we're much closer to them than you are we're the bridge we're the ones that they can come to we're open we're able to bring it and bridges go both ways for sure and I and I understand I understand that the the you know there's definitely there's what to be wary of and there's definitely there's definitely issues that need to be addressed however there's something there that I kind of blame and it's gonna kind of go out there and it's gonna be a little crazy and I know you're not gonna agree with me but there's a little bit of blame for the assimilation going on in America I blame it on Orthodoxy hmm if we're gonna be so closed and so sheltered and so far right then how are people going to be able to come in and enjoy the beauty of Judaism how are they going to see how awesome it is to be Jewish if we're gonna close them off we're gonna be so rigid we're gonna do things that are we're gonna close off the Western Wall Reform Jews can't go to the Kotel today no they can go to the coat they can't dive in in their way at the Kotel first thing I agree and disagree with you what makes it I definitely agree with you about that I gotta tell you the whole cult oh the whole Kotel saga is I'm on I'm on a different side of this whole coat Lusaka I I just I just think that if I see I kind of like I'm more on your side of these things which is like if I see she's trying to come and pray at the western wall because since I hate you know enjoy yourself I don't have any problem with that I don't think like hotel is a Orthodox synagogue and I think it's a national place and on top of that what but what I would I get upset about reform conservative folks is that like they did open up a huge beautiful plaza for the reform conservative world but they're like no we want the other one who cares like sit on the back of the bus though no no no no it's the here you got your own temple you got your own place you shouldn't be tweet that's exactly the temples about the temple is about being one it's a place that you wait a minute wait a minute but Judaism is not about a homogenous ation like there's twelve tribes twelve ways twelve pathways in the in the Red Sea twelve coattails then I'm saying so there's they really are there's that there really isn't twelve coattails there's for those Jews who who can do it they go up to the Temple Mount for those Jews that lit that are that are courageous they go to the little Kotel in the in the Muslim corner for regular you know Orthodox folks they have the regular part of the wall for folks that want to have women and then mixed and have women wearing tefillin because Sunday here's a here's a here's a here's a beautiful you know part of the Kota I don't think I'm not sitting on the back of the bus that's that's extreme if you go and see it I've been there many times and it's bites way better than the other coat on there is there is what to say about that but it does feel a little bit like you're second-class citizen in every but that's I think that that's not imagined think but because wertha docks we don't feel that necessarily and it could be if you're like that other coat oh I like it better it's nice it's quiet PS one time one it was funny so something happened like if this was a Donny Eisen stock okay years it wasn't years ago was like two years ago maybe was three years ago I was diving by myself there at the at the so-called reform conservative part of the western wall which is the retaining wall of the Temple Mount anyway so silly so I'm standing there spraying by myself and a group came in and they were obviously like a reform you know folks and and they had like in hind and I was just like I'll just join with them and they had some different words in their prayers nothing horrific they're like you lo que habrá ha Misaka cove sorry familia that's not - hook and i don't like the changing of the look I like the rabbi's the sages you know but but it wasn't like they were starting to pray to some foreign entity exactly and I had that I had a Donny Eisen stock moment which is like these are chairs and they came to pray at the western wall and they're here to like anyway I did my thing and they were all looking at me like like in a way they they were like marveled at the fact that I was there but I was just like what are you making such a big deal at him for like we're just a bunch of folks trying to talk to the Lord of hosts here so I didn't make a thing of it I shook hands and I left I didn't like do my name is and I'm you know this is that just a regular thing anyway years later I was given I was on some kind of panel and the dude that was on the hard left was a dude there and he was like and he had a whole defense mechanism ready to fight with me you know for my bigoted you know right-wing hate the Palestinians hate fellow Jews you know all these kind of you know slogans that he had ready to attack me with which were all untrue but then when he realized that I was the dude that prayed with him there his whole tone his whole tone had to be radically he had to be like well I guess he shines not exactly this thing that I'm ready to to decry because because he seemingly is willing to be more you know open-minded so you know when you have a person was identified with with you know nationalist views like myself and at the same time being more shall we just use a general term more loving so so it does break down borders sometimes yeah totally that's a beautiful story yes that's what it's all about speaking of that wall three weeks ago I took the same group we were going to Asia Torah and I was a rage you see by the medium reformed ruse he went to visit her ad Jews and I took all the hundred and fifty high school kids to this hotel the joint the where they can be together men and women yeah we had a her ad guy who was with us from guerre who sang you shall I am chills to have overlooking the wall and then all the kids came over running over to me and they were like we want to go to the real Kotel right don't take us here and I was like guys this is the real Kotel the same wow yeah but there's something about it that we have to yeah there's something there I hear I hear you and I understand what you're saying I guess I'm coming from yet a third different place which is like I'm not a like a co tellest you know what I mean I don't know how a bike guy yeah and so the whole Kotel phenomenon is like I called the refugee camp it's just a refugee camp it's just like so you're really excited to be at this part of the refugee camp I'm just like I don't get it and I've said it before like go ahead have the Kotel you know it's like I'm not I'm not going to you know I mean I don't think of the Kotel as this it's a is a super meaningful shrine you know Jews only started praying at the Kotel it's like 1655 because before that they prayed on the Mount of Olives and at the southern wall where the Hula gates are and there was a synagogue I got some periods on the Temple Mount it's so like the code the western wall as we know it that piece of the western wall is a relatively new phenomenon without that much of a historical depth and so I like I don't understand and I look at it in and that's fine it's a great place and it's a great meeting place and it's a special a wonderful place it's great but it has a location to be like this uber important location is is is is is confusing to me I don't quite I don't quite connect it in that way and so let make it happen let's go let's make a me sir I'll be able to be there be like guys the Kotel is open for you let's take off the siege let's say you guys can come dive in whatever you ain't what cuz we don't care as long as you come here yeah we're open for it yeah Matt's long as you come here I'm saying as long as we want you to know on the other hand there's an issue of not being respectful to other peoples ways you know I mean and and so if you're at a business meeting with with other Jews then you eat the high standard of kosher why because then everybody can get on board so there are certain things and that that that that that you you take to the kind of you you accept the the most stringent standard and and sometimes that that's actually respectful and I think that if you want to have women and men dancing and women and to fill in on all that so you have a beautiful part of the Kotel right next door if you want to come in and you know I can understand where that where some would be offended and I know they are uber offended I'm I'm using the word uber alanya they're very offensive totally and this is why this is why this is why Orthodox Jews they're gonna be connected okay these clothes sit him you know the guys that there are the kiasu grab whatever they're gonna be connected they're gonna want to stroll three times a day they're connected they have it you're saying very simply use the Kotel as a cure of moment not a cure if I don't like the word Kira but let's use it as a place as an embrace this tell you guys that we're accepting of you of who you are come as you are as a friend right you know come as you are that's mama SH like you know this is it this is you don't have you know it's you don't have to you don't have to change who you are gonna have to be different you don't have to you know just arrived just now that and you know know that you have a place here again if you want to come don't come whatever it is but we as Israeli Jews we as Jews living here in Israel we have to make the place and it you have to make this place an accessible place for everyone very good well you you also you know we have to finish here because you also you know spoke the words of the holy Kurt Cobain and and so and that meant today bringing that together you know that that sense of Nirvana together with with with us a rabbit's a vet with with without having a cup of coffee or a shot of whiskey Harrison salic I am I also want to say that I brought to the synagogue here on Shabbat I brought a bottle I asked maka to buy a bottle of liquor she bought some kosher Southern Comfort SoCo and and and SoCo has had an had some issues of that not always being kosher and and this SoCo had a huge triangle Cain I think it was quite kosher and everybody here was wondering why I brought that in it was because of the death the untimely death of Qasem Soleimani or as al extremist as silly money and this this this Haman like figure who was responsible for the death of thousands and we're gonna find out that he was also behind a lot more than we even know and thousands of Jews have been killed including you know the AMIA bombings and Buenos Aires are gonna find that he's linked to that in any case and now here's a Persian a Persian Haman who was killed so we have to have a look I am a poram a little poram the time and you told me before the show that you heard another rabbi say that since the Babylonian Talmud was finished just this week the Babylonian Talmud was finished that's it's the Talmud that was written in Iraq in Babylonia and Qasem Soleimani was not killed in Persia he was killed in Iraq and so the minute we finished the tour of Iraq that's that that burned him up that the energy of the holy Torah burnt out the the Haman and by the way remember that that jejemon is spelled this is the taurah of the Bennis guy he says the word harm on in in Hebrew is spelled hey mamnoon so feet he says look at those three letters hey had he spell hey the letter hey hey hey smells hey how do you spell mem mem mem spells mem how you spelled nuhn nuhn nuhn spells nun he goes ha maan has a duality you got two kinds of home on in this world either you're gonna be eating them on the mana or are you gonna eat if you reject the mana you're gonna be eating you know the the junk that that Haman's trying to feed you okay he's gonna be trying to destroy and if you think about it finishing the shots is eating them all right it's eating the man of Tourette's eating the amount of Torah and and so and so we ate the amount of Torah and we therefore destroyed the Haman of our time so thank you very much for that thought Thank You rabbi Dionysus talk I want to thank you so much and I want to wish you ate some kiled somos la it easy fast and a meaningful fast this has a rabbit of it and we should be zoca we should merit to be able to rectify the three breaks the break in the holy city of Jerusalem and the holy cities to break in in Torah and the break in our connection to the righteous person in that generation that's otic those are the three things that we're asking for Jerusalem's on the way to being built Torah is is wants to recover it's in a recovery mode not fully though I have some stuff to talk about if tour is in full recovery mode or not but certainly this is a time of great Torah learning and the seamless shots I think was inspiring so many people so recovery of Torah and the recovery of the righteous person that's a tougher one I'm not sure that we know exactly who the great righteous people of the generation are but I know that there are some amazing people and I know one sitting right in front of me yes are you shy fleischer that's right you see that because you see a mirror because you're such a static that you see because because if you were bad you would see me as a is a scary beastly type animal but because you're so holy you get to see the real truth god Bless You rabbi daddy and so I keep up the good work here in Judea in the Land of Israel and bringing people together some columns about Shalom shabbat shalom Thank You rabbi shai Fleischer you mentioned its attic it's also today the yurt site of Rebbe nuts I'm from Breslau Oh Oh the talmud of Rebbe Nachman ah and should we really connect to the holy holy tour of the casino to the holy Torah of you of law shem tov every chef Flay chef Anne siese RL alright and thank you so much blessings everybody more great stuff is on the way so stay tuned and Shalom [Music] it's devastating as the bottom line josh hastened here Israel uncensored on the Land of Israel network at the Land of Israel calm don't miss my show this week with dr. Harold Road pre eminent scholar on the Islamic world to talk about the elimination of Iranian commander Qasem Soleimani I believe that both the United States and Israel are very very well prepared for any eventuality only here on the land of Israel network at the Land of Israel calm don't miss the show [Music] all right folks we're back here for just a little bit more but we can't have a show without our beloved mother flesh a shallow Malcolm thank you for coming on the show thank you I've had an interesting show this week a different show than usual I had no I'm unknown that's cool to talk about it was good you know he's very you know the truth is is that I I love speaking with him but in English he's not what the same you know right he's awesome our neighbor right that's his that's his that's his expressive tools Hebrew and I'd love to do a pot I'm really considering starting to do a podcast in Hebrew maybe once a month I don't know what what's a week I don't know I'd like to do another podcast in Hebrew that that would be I think it's time to move over to that and then I had rabbi Donny I wasn't stocked to talk about the tension between diaspora Jewry in Israeli jewelry yeah and in also about this day today which is the 1/10 of Tibet which is a fast day right and we all know fast days they go real slow fat fast days day go real slow so anyway so yeah so fast days go real slow that's yeah that's I think I'm gonna name the show bridges go both ways like bridges go both ways like you bridge something and then like on the one hand you bridge it in the way you want on the other hand that also goes the other way as well right so so it's not it's it's not always simple to when you're a bridge you got to know that you're like bringing something to the place that you want but you're also bringing stuff that you may not want anyway Oh like bad bridge a bridge I'll give you just one example of diasporas in israel diasporas when they make all the yeah they bring with them their good stuff and that's right right so for example you know the Russian Jews will bring a technical knowledge and the great sports achievement and a certain kind of strength and military strength but they also bring with them alcoholism prostitution and pork you know so these things call things right American jewelry will bring with them a can-do attitude you know coming from a you know a real sense of democracy and fair play and manners and all kind of stuff like that and also bring with them their you know petulance Western culture right now in Western culture including absurd absurd sports idolatry and and you know the the term gay rabbi is not over let's put it this way the Russian Jews could never come up with that one and the Israeli Jews also it's a it's an American Jewish huh it's an American Jewish I thought of a cultural thing absolutely right and my Russian side always looked at it as like that's something that like we could have never liked yeah well so those so Britain and Russia you know you're a you're taught certain cultural norms and in America and also you know we just had a big a big experience kind of here in the Middle East with the very decisive killing of Qasem Soleimani the Iranian general and everyone's talking about whether that was good whether that was not good whether it was smart whether it was not smart whether there's going to be war not work but there was a little bitty article that I saw that I thought was kind of interesting talking about bridges and talking about cultures and talking about what's okay and not okay in different cultures it turns out that the death of sulemani was a like a big not not only was it a big blow to the what would you call it the regime in Iran but it was also a litmus test for the rest of the country from the regime meaning to say as sulemani died and then he had this big funeral and there was all this public mourning and they made it like really really really really really really public and huge and visual and there was debates about whether the funeral of sulemani there was some video that went out I guess probably it's also on Facebook but definitely on Twitter of like a drone over the crowds and you could see like blocks and blocks and blocks and blocks and blocks like miles worth of huge throngs of crowds out in the street for the sulemani memorial procession and so then there was a big discussion is this like a real representation of how the Iranian people are feeling or is this just everybody going out to the street because they know that's what the regime demands from them and they're not about to be the guy who doesn't show up I mean I mean if you don't know the answer to that just want you to know that in everyone we just had a day of rage and all the store owners closed their stores and protest yeah and people told me Arabs told me they're like they forced us to do it right they make you do it so it I also saw on where do we not remember that only like a month ago a thousand protesters were murdered in the streets of Iran yeah so it's like that place is rough right that place is rough and that place is very dictatorial and I also saw incidentally you were just talking about Russians that's what made me think of it is that I saw a tweet from one guy that went pretty viral on on Twitter that said like don't look at the numbers of Iranians in the street and go wow everybody is such a big supporter of sulemani because I used to live in the former Soviet Union and like you have to know how to step in line and to and to like show support for the regime otherwise it's like very extremely bad news for you so the Iranian Jewish community which there which exists right there is a Jewish community it's not massive but it exists and they also found themselves in this circumstance in which they have to you show up for the death I'd like to show up and show their solidarity in the face of a person who is like many times talked about the destruction of the entire Jewish state which means the massacre of millions of Jews right which certainly these people do not stand for but I saw an article that said that representatives of the Iranian Jewish community went to the Shiva house they went to pay condolences at the home of the former Kurds commander cut sports commander and they took part in the funeral including the Chief Rabbi of Tehran who like got up and went to the soul Imani house I see this this tweet here from a lady named Marwa Othman that shows three different pictures of different men I'll show it to you Shia unfortunately I can't show it to the listening audience yeah and it says here Zoroastrians Jews Christians and Muslims visited Qasem Soleimani house into Iran to pay their respects to the martyred commander of the IRG now here's what she says guess pop quizzes she pro-regime or anti-regime here's what she says a country of multicultural and multi-religious background that respects its leadership unlike a nation we know right which is like a very thinly veiled dig on the United States in which people really have so days a severe lack of respect for a fairly think you know because the it's it's when you have a severe lack of disrespect for your leadership in Iran you die like a dog in the streets right that's also I mean laughs that's also yeah I'm talking about here what a shameful what a shameful lie what I wouldn't obvious and what I wouldn't what a great dishonor it is for the people who died in the streets trying to fight for freedom and truth right oh we all stand behind our leadership because we respect because yeah party line people and the this is like keep in mind each I that in Iran they turn off the internet right so this is a person who's like allowed in this is a person who's through the filter this is a person who's allowed to get off they don't turn off center they murder people in streets actually I'm to say that this person has like a Muhtar message this person has a message which is allowed to go out yes from Allah or Iran and and it you know it's it's not a coincidence though I just want to tell you as I'm looking at you right now okay my eye caught the Megillah Esther our scroll container that we have a very beautiful one and just I'm just like present juice a letter by Solomon Cohan sad egg a representative of the Jewish community stated that members of the Jewish community like the rest of the Iranian society are present and will stand for the ideals of the revolution the Islamic Revolution O'Day so everybody is stepping in line Ronnie I'm Ronnie of Israel's Farsi language rowdy Oh Ron explained that it's very important for the minority groups this is obvious at this point to condemn the death because they're afraid of anti-semitism he said that often during the protests against Jerusalem Day which I did not know exists okay but apparently there is such a thing the Jews go out and take part in the anti Jerusalem Day thing because of fear of being attacked in their hearts they love Israel he said they are in a situation in which they have to prove they have no links to Zionism okay so we've we this is this is called what the Rambam Brody Garrett - man this is one you have to convert and and and and juice sometimes allowed to succumb to - these kind of forced conversion things and to be able to keep their that's I mean I don't know why they stay there right exactly will be great to just leave like get out of there I don't know like this is it used to be an excuse you know what I'm saying like the Jews does let's not judge them all right I don't I don't know what their life is about and I don't know what here's one thing I want to judge are some Jews that are stuck there that's for sure here's one thing I want a judge which is that it says here in this article that Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh in Islamic Jihad leader Ziad al Nacala were present at the funeral so we had like some of the most evil people all together in one place yeah like that was what we call in Hebrew let's learn the Hebrew word of the day FUS a missed opportunity okay you missed it you could also say it to children like who are learning to toilet-trained that if they accidentally make a little bit of pee pee on themselves you go oh he's faster right you missed it I think what you're saying is what I believe in these three words and they're not exactly politically correct so brace yourself everybody who's overly political Kirk please put on your seat belt through politically correct see both here's my three word phrase bomb the funeral okay you got the bad guys there they're all together and they're like I was going to get so many more choose you drop the bomb on them and you finish that business off okay something or something yeah I don't know that may be a little bit harsh people don't like to hear that kind of thing anyway no no it's not that kind of a world you seem insensitive like you don't care about people but IRAs saving people we're talking about saving thousands and tens of thousands of people from these horrible horrible monster if there was an Israel in the time of the Nazis should it have bombed the wanna see conference when did you win the heads of like why don't you let these people perpetrate right perpetuates no perpetrate you're bad perpetrators yeah and they shouldn't perpetuate we should we should de perpetuate so they didn't that will not perpetrate the thing is about Judaism is that we do a lot of being happy about when well I don't know if this is show was supposed to go here but we do a lot of celebrating of like the killing of our enemies oh so it's funny you say that because because a guy who is my now you know me maka I'm a little bit on Twitter I'm aggressive in terms of my opinion but I am NOT your less aggressive than me right I don't usually it blocks like I I also don't say bad things why I'm getting blocked by the way I think are pretty nice yeah but you know come spicier your spot it's not I don't know but I don't I don't say things against other people so much like ad hominem right I like ad hominem I don't I don't do that and therefore the lefties I have all kinds of like you know frenemies and and and people that and and really in honest terms people that I I'm in conversation with from the other side of the island one of them happens to be a guy who works on the on the high level at the new Israel fund which is a which is in our opinion a a quite radically left organization but in any case I said I wrote to I wrote on Twitter that I brought a bottle of whiskey right of Southern Comfort to to the shul to celebrate yeah the destruction of this Nazi Haman figure is sulemani yeah so he wrote to me or to you this guy on the under on the Jewish left and he wrote to me saying hey why are you laughing he wrote to me he basically was like does it not say that you're that that you're not supposed to cheer the death of your enemies I've heard that once before so right so it's like it's exactly so I wrote to him that here's and he wrote to me isn't it true that it says in the Midrash that when the angels were cheering the the destruction of the Egyptian pharaohs military in the Red Sea that God said to them didn't mind like creationists have my creatures my creations are being destroyed how could you cheer and and so that's what he asked me but then I'm like but you don't know the rest of them interest rest of measures is that is that when when when Haman was lifting more to high up up to the horse so the measure says that hey that Mordecai also kicked him in the face and Haman being a scholarly figure says wait a minute does it not say in your Torah been pole Ivica out lease month and the downfall of your enemies do not rejoice so in the Midrash Mordecai answers Heyman says that's when it comes to your Jewish enemy but when it comes to your non-jewish enemy like a Haman like you then the answer is the the proper verse the applicable verses Vata album Ultimo Dido and you shall step on their high places rise and trampled underfoot there I places as in played the violin on their tune type of thing you know yeah okay yeah I'm sorry you know I'm a throwback now the violin thing took it over five I got into red you know I got a Russian side to me you know I'm sorry that I'm not I'm sorry that I don't but I don't feel right I don't feel any remorse for for you know of course god forbid any innocent people should be should be hurt god forbid I mean that very seriously but stolen money what I would have would have been an awful officer let's say yeah what's the cause I see a job what's it called job well done no that's uh you know when they say like that's part of the job that's dangerous that's like a liability career liability the work hazard yeah work hazard Micah Fleischer this was like an aggressive little section that we just did you know what you know what I you know I just also opened up my whatsapp and I saw that my dear friend mayor Iseman one of great tour guides in the Land of Israel just sent out a picture to my ultra Orthodox Zionist group my 80 scientists yeah group and he and he and he he sent the picture and the picture is of a plaque in the plaque is on the old city walls in Jerusalem and it says some part of the renovations of the old city walls of the Jerusalem was completed on the 10th of Taif and in other words the very the day of the siege that they have you know the beginnings of that of the of that siege of Jerusalem is a very day where we fix it ok and and I I guess that that today is the 10th of to vet and there are things that have gone bad and it's a great moment to reflect it's a great moment to ask for forgiveness it's a great moment to connect to fellow Jews in love it's a great moment to have an ideology it's also a great moment to celebrate when things are starting to go the other way and I'm so thankful that there's an administration today that are starting to see who the bad guys are and who the good guys are and that and that Israel is benefiting so much and as I only hope that we had a hand in the death of Qasem Soleimani I only hope this sure we all that Israeli intelligence was able to contribute that's all I just hope we had the Scots to take out this to hang the Haman ourselves okay all right well then okay nice alright folks I want to thank you very much for joining me on this long and special show with with special guests was great that we finished here with our beloved maka please write me an email each eye at the land of israel calm hashtag hang Haman okay and that's right poram okay poram poram 20/20 or whatever you want to say or or just hashtag went to the end of the show because it was a long a special show and well that is a long hashtag yeah and hashtag easy fast I know that you're gonna hear the show after the fast already but still and padartha Shan Mei we see great great redemptions one of the ways that you can see Redemption yourself has come to visit heparin by 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your your last segment and it was really so much about like Jews connecting to other Jews and you know when we talk about like striking the bad guys it's really so that we can protect the good guys right there's no pleasure in the death of there's no pleasure in death the only reason to take any pride in such a thing is to deserve life to make life better for for Jews for people all around the world who just want to live in sin safety and security for the Persian people who certainly deserve they have there's no reason on this earth that they should live under the kind of tyranny and oppression that the Islamic Revolution brought on them they should be free to live and be like any other free people in this world and um I only ayah we only speak in strength so that other people can have strength and may it be that the the deaths of our enemies are really the death of bad in this world in the end the opportunity for good to flourish amen amen Makkah fleshes shabbat shalom shabbat shalom god bless you folks wherever you are easy fast stay tuned stay strong stay connected and blessings shallow [Music]