The Timing of Yisro: Before or After Matan Torah

It's yod dua that there's a big makis in terms of chronologically speaking when this story took place. I mean we started parishes right after we finished paral. We're certainly going in order and paraled with the yiddim being in rafidim. So it sounds like there was no to be spoken of between then and now. So would seem to suggest that this story took place in took place in it means it took place between the time that the yidden had left mit and the time that the yidden had been stating that there is a major shim that holds that Isra came not when the yidden were in but rather Isra came after the yidden had already received to this. We learned it only a few weeks ago. Just to read two excerpts of a says there was a between the sons of one said arrived before the other one said that arrived after skipping a little bit says this between the who were both is really even an earlier it's already a tano says says what was the heard says what he heard was the of how do I know that because look at the that immediately precedes said what he heard was says to what's the says did come before mountain or did he come after M. If he came after M you could say M if however he came before M it can't be that what he heard was Mra it must be something else what's that something else says the something else was the right that's that other thing that he had heard but the bottom line is in the it would seem to be whether Isra came before mountain Tyra or Isra came after mount Tyra if you open And you look around in the a little bit, you'll see it's a big in the whether came before mira or yesterday came after mira the ramban says that I think the way you have to read these the way they're mentioned in the if the story of aish comes immediately after the story of and it comes when the yan are infid before the before the yiddan are going to be that means Isra came before Dean Ezra says there's no question that Isra did not come when the but rather Isra came in other words what's a between is also between the so you don't get this every day it's a it's a and it's is right almost feel like saying what do you think right maybe we can also argue so it seems LIKE EVERYBODY ARGUED THIS POINT IT'S UNBELIEVABLE IT'S fascinating right usually if the argument what are they arguing who's right or so this is very interesting but the bottom line is it's a big sha when exactly the story of now why is it such a shila the reason it's such a sh is because really there's very very conflicting clues in terms of how exactly this played out. The primary ria to the position that Israel came before Mira is the location location of the Pishma Isra and then ultimately Israim and right before the so just based on the location it sounds like that's how it happened. There's another riot that the mention in making their argument and that is what did he hear theam argue that if Isra would have came after he would have been motivated to come not just because hashem took the time that's nice but it would have been and the pik doesn't say that and being that the says that Isra is talking to Mosha. Wow, I heard about and telling Israel, yeah, you didn't hear nothing. Let me tell you what really happened that said applies to any detype that happens to a person. But he doesn't say one word about there's no question that the gag of that took place. The greatest of the came from Mid Ari and if Yro and Mosha are not saying one word about Mamemed Arseni, it doesn't sound like he showed up after MRI because otherwise you would think that would have been the talk of the town and that's what they'd be discussing and they're not discussing that. So if that's the case that would seem to be another advantage, the argument that holds that Israel came chronologically the way it's presented here in the but there's many rias the other way. The biggest without a question is right at the beginning of the par and the says before she showed up in I hear it's not that the would say it before their theor tells us that gidden arrived in harim. I hear why is there no mention of them talking about and where does he come? He comes to Harim. There's another very strong clue and that is wakes up the next day and he seesu is teaching and uh he's teaching Tyra. He's teaching Tyra. They didn't receive the Tyra. What does that even mean? And besides was busy from the morning until the evening. What's he busy with? They didn't get the yet. Now you could tell me what do you mean they got some mitzvah when they were mitz in but they got dam in right they got in. So that's would explain why they're so busy with but if they didn't get mitzvah yet and there was no sat yet. So it's a little bit hard to understand how this would play itself out. Not just that, the last that we read right before and he goes back home. Now for sure didn't go back home before mountain. When does go back home? So it's actually in he goes back about a year after mira. So for sure can't be in chronological order and if though that P is not in chronological order. So you see this whole P is out of place over here. It has to be that we just blumped it here for some reason but in reality it's out of place and for sure this did not take place in chronological order because to say happened chronologically that's something that's completely impossible. But there's another very clear ayah and this is from this is from so when the story of Israel is recounted listen to how it it's presented. So this is right what do we need from this word and it's time to start traveling right it's time to start heading in the direction of this is skipping turns and he says it is too much for for sorryishim sorry and all of a sudden the of comes in. say here in the recounting of the of Israel it's so clear it happened after mi so again you have another very strong ria that the story of Israel had to have happened after mra it's mentioned before miraasha but the bottom line is it seems to have happened after mira by the way all four riots that we just mentioned number one Isra arrives in harim number two was teaching tyra number three sends away and number four from the sequence of in the ebanza brings These are all that he brings and he concludes based on this there's no choice but to say and because must be this whole is is being presented out of order. It it is what it is. Take a look at the ines just to read one line came after like the proved. So the vilgian picked sides and the vaguen said it's posit to me that Isra came when came after mira. Now it is Kadina to mention one thing and that is even though it's a Shiloh did Isra come before Mount Tyra did Isra come after mount Tyra but that's pushet the shila is only when Isra showed up at the scene but without a question you can't argue a lot of what happens here in the beginning of parishes for sure happened and that's really what the mand that holds came before monty is going to say he's going to say one second I never said everything from the beginning of the parish until revi happened before my entire I'm not saying that when was teaching he's teaching it before. I'm not saying even that gave the farra you never heard those words come out of my mouth. Certainly I'm not saying that that happened before that for sure happened after I'm just saying arrived at the scene. So again we have to know what is the sh is not is everything in order for sure everything is not in order. There's that's out of order. There's an question is when did arrive at the scene? Did arrive at the scene or did arrive at the scene after m and it's a because if the old came after m this whole parish is out of order it's right and even if you came before m but part of it we just said for sure happened. So here all of a sudden we have a par that's completely out of order. I mean we've been learning together now as a kabur for a long time right. I think it's the first time where we have not the idea of an but such a dramatic idea of an it's an anomaly again it's a card we pull out when we have to but it's not something that you're allowed to use irresponsibly right so it's something that if you have to use it you have to use it and here we have a whole par that's completely I was thinking in this is He quotes a tough if you want to look it up said the parish of the were not presented because if the parishes were written any person that would read from the power of the is so incredible that if a person would sit down and he would read from the and he would read them in order. You know what kind of superpower he would develop? He would have the ability to be and he would have the ability to make. It's for that reason the sed of the is not the way it was really supposed to be. That's why there's things out of order. It's only that knows the right order. But says the yal that the was given purposely in this deceptive way. When we sit down and we read the we're not reading it 100% in order. It's the order that we're supposed to read it in. BUT IT'S NOT THE ORDER that aes knows. The real order is but as far as we're concerned we have this other order. Why can't we know the right way? Because if we would know the right way the would be such a powerful tool. philosoph. And it's for that reason had to be written in this way. Brings this to bring out the says people don't understand what they're doing when they're learning. He says every word of every of is such an incredible of he's tapping in to something that preexisted the world. It's the it's the it's the source of of the entire world. And when he wanted to give a muscle for it, he said take a LOOK AT THIS. THERE'S A CONCEPT of you know why there's such a concept because if a person would read the in order I don't know but maybe the reason the beginning of par is written it's because we're about to be and this is really to understand what it means the felt this was imagine from all the you have about the picked this one he says you want to know what is He says there's an idea that we don't know the proper s of the terra goes ahead right before almost like everything's been going so perfect in the world of mikra right we're mish we're cruising and all of a sudden I have a parish that happened in a year from now it happened yesterday I'm so confused everything's out of order it's true it's a little bit of a satab is that terra is so galdic it's so incredible we can't even know the sedra paras because if we know the sedra parishes. It would be such a dangerous weapon. You'd be able to be in a good way. You'd be able to mim You'd be able to make and this is something that's not meant to be. For that reason, the gave us a parish right before the parish of a parish. A parish that shows the greatness of the a parish that brings out this. What is that? It's either way, we're just getting started here. I mean, if we thought Shalak was loaded. We ain't seen nothing yet. Paris is is is I mean it's we could spend the rest of the year learning parro together. We of course are going to do what we do. But in the next par it's going to be ready. It's already going to be the are going to arrive at they're going to start preparing for a moment that is literally going to change the course of history. A moment that was predetermined from the beginning of time. A moment that is going to fulfill the tlas of why created the world.