The Struggle Podcast EP10 Shlomi Levi -Hypnotherapy

So in 2 minutes I took away the sensation of pain. The pain is still there but you don't feel it anymore with hypnosis. Smoking, tobacco addiction, drug, alcohol, uh gaming, gambling, you have a lot of addictions. From what age does hypnosis start? My youngest one was four years old. Children, uh for example, fear of dentists, bedwedding till till 12 till till 15 till 20. There are cases of pedophilia or like the crazy cases and these the the the people who are accused are accusing the victims of completely making it up. Is this a possibility? [Music] So we have a uh a wonderful guest, a special wonderful guest here uh today. His name is Schlomi Levy from Paris all the way from Paris. Schlommy Levy is a clinical hypnotherapist. Uh we will ask Schlimer Levy um to explain what this is all about. Thank you very much. I uh really appreciate being here and being invited uh to speak here for for you and answer the question and being able to explain what is hypnotherapy. So in a very short uh definition, hypnotherapy and hypnosis is a tool that allows people to get into a better therapy. Very fast and powerful. It's not a slow therapy. It's a fast and powerful therapy. Now what is hypnosis exactly? Hypnosis is a state of mind and a state of a body. Let me explain. It's just a very relaxed mode. When you get into a relaxation mode, you get into what we call a daydreaming. It's like you are a little bit in the moon. You are here, but there your mind is somewhere else wandering. Like when you drive a car and it's on the highway, there's no danger. You can think about other things and you forget to go out on the exit because you are in fact in hypnosis. You're not fully conscious about what you're doing, but you're there. Or when a woman is she's baking something that she knows by heart. So, she's thinking about other things while she does things automatically. And that's called an hypnos an hypnotic state. When you are in such an hypnotic state, your conscious mind is a little bit down and the guard is off and the filters are off and therefore you are receptive to changes. you are receptive to listen to changes and that's where the hypnotherapist comes into the game to be able to put the person into such a relaxed mode and when he is in a relaxed mode speaking to him about changes that he wants. Obviously he comes for a certain purpose and with that state the mind is openminded and open to hear to hear changes. That's what that's what is hypnosis. People are very scared about hypnosis because you control my mind control like this. No no you go to a good person a good and reliable person and anyway they are all good people because they are therapists. They want to the wellness of people and therefore it's nothing scary about on the contrary it's a very very interesting and very deep state of the body and the mind that is um very uh pleasant pleasant why because you let go and what is the result of the people what's the result when after an hypnosis I mean how many times is this the results Um depending on why the person comes for um if we talk about we have different domains there are different domains which are going to touch the mental uh and the em emotions of a person. You have a domain of uh let's say addictions which people will relate a lot more especially smoking, tobacco addiction, drug, alcohol, uh gaming, gambling. you have a lot of addictions. So this is one domain where people are a bit slave to something and with hypnosis we can make the subconscious mind understand that this is the wrong way to go through and you can correct that path and don't go on that way anymore. It's correcting the you know right so so so the person [Music] um h gets a a mind change he it's an ex like if he when he comes out of the hypnosis he wants to make a change because his mind has different ideas is that what it is it's like reprogramming reprogramming brain wiring uh uh yes uh a certain program that you have for example if we take the addiction but we can Take I don't know a phobia. Phobia is when you're scared to go onto a plane or you're going to scare scared to go onto the elevator or scared of about dogs whatever it is the phobia your subconscious mind has been programmed to be scared of that thing whatever it is crowd phobia to speak in public we are used to speak in public because we are asked to to say vora but even in the fume world people say no no no I don't want to say vtora I don't want to speak in public why because you're scared of of saying something uh uh to people. So we make a different program. I mean we make the hypnotherapist just brings into the vision of the person that he in fact can speak in public, he can take the elevator, he can take the plane, there is no danger because all this is imagination and you can correct that path. Interesting. Now you um are a therapist also a uh licensed therapist. I am a therapist and I'm a coach. A coach is different than a therapist. It's it's but the the two things can combine together in a very complimentary way. Right? So what is the difference really from a therapist to a coach? A coach will not deal with I would say it on quote um medical issues or the past. Yes. Yes. He will not deal with psychological issues. He will deal a little bit. Yeah. But that's not his his main thing. His main thing a coach is to accompany somebody from point A to point B. So he's looking more than going backwards. Sure. Coach comes from a French word which is los which was a chariot and the lo was the one who was the horse rider of the the the was taking you from point A to point B. point is like a Uber chauffeer, you know, a driver. So, a coach is somebody who is going to drive the person and help him drive his own car, but he's got to sit he's go going to be the co-pilot and directing into the right direction because the person is a little bit blocked and it has nothing to do with being weak. nothing to do because you can be the president, you can be an executive in a large company, you can be a sport champ, you still need a coach. You still need somebody to take you along and to be able to make you go over your potential. Correct. And and reach your potential because alone I'm not going to push myself, you know, but you when you are pushed what will make you the best you can be. Exactly. The best version of yourself. And that's important to have a coach. A therapist will deal more with uh mental issues which are blocking the person, you know, like uh um depression, like being scared, like um all kinds of of things that even skin disease. But this is all stress. A lot of stressed people are in the world. And so that's the the the job of the therapist. So to so trauma as well. Trauma as well. Trauma also. Yes. Sure. That's not for a So you are a combo of all three. Yes. And this is you have you got your degrees in in where? In Paris. Yes. Uh I I studied in uh schools in Paris. Now you live in Paris. Right. I live in Paris. Yes. Now um tell us a little bit about the community over there. There's a there's a there's a huge community. Jewish community in Paris. In Paris. You have 300,000 Jews. Mhm. living in different neighborhoods. Hondismo it's called and uh spread out all over. Which neighborhood do you live in? I live just outside of Paris in the outskirt of I live 15 minutes away from Paris center. So I'm not in Paris proper. Um and uh I have a clinic in Paris where I go a few days a week and I have another one where I live. So it's local and I don't have to travel. You're you're in private practice or Yes, private practice. However, let me tell you a little bit an anecdote. I was once in a shop to buy something and I saw the owner of the shop limping, really, really bad limp and he could not walk. So, I asked him, "What do you have?" He said, "I just torn my ligaments and I have to make an to have an operation in the knee and it's very painful." I said okay do you want me to help you to um uh alleviate you say the pain a little bit relieve the pain a little bit you have you have to have your operation of course but so that you don't have so much pain he said why not I mean I don't care try to do whatever you want so in two minutes I um took away the sensation of pain the pain is still there but you don't feel it anymore with hypnosis take it away and he was so amazed It was unbelievable. What I didn't know is that his uh sales people Yeah. It was a big shop. So, the sales ladies were filming it. Mhm. And they put it on YouTube and it was like public. After one week, I get a call from a hospital saying, "We want you to train us how to do this because we want to take the pain away right away like you did it in one minute, you know, and we want you to train all of our staff, the nurses, the the doctors, the the psychologists so that they can make operations uh in the block without anesthesia." So, I had the truth is I had never done that. I just know how to do it as a fun thing for you know take away the pain but to to go into an operation block operating this is another story it's a big responsibility you know they asked me you know how to do that I said of course no problem get me all the authorizations because it has to be authorized by the hospital chief of staff it was not a simple thing and I told them give me two months please so they gave me the two month I got the authorizations I learned and I went into it deeply and I more and more and then the big day came. It was in two days Thursday and Friday. Thursday the first day was training. So I had to train the staff there about 15 people, 20 people with doctors, gynecologist this that a lot of okay I training is nice and easy and you can have a demo on the training which is okay. Next day 8:00 in the morning Friday morning they say okay now we go to the block. You say this in English the block. Yeah. Um the the operation the operation room they don't we call it rock in French but okay. So I say the operation room. I said okay fine we go. But uh they said no no you do it and we watch you because you are the master. You know you're training. Say okay. Come on. Okay. Okay. So I did it and I was happily surprised but uh surprised it was my first time doing this but uh and it worked very very well. You have about two minutes to put somebody to sleep. The person is on the how do you call it the the the the bed. Yeah. But the bed the walking bed. So going to the operation room. Yeah. So from the preparation to the so in the preparatory room I start and then I walk with the person. While you walk while you walk you have to do it. Once it's they are there in the room that's it they can start the operation. So it was small operations intervations was not so a big thing but still and it was every half hour tac every half hour that's how many people there were because the yeah once one is started then you start the other one and the other one you know they they continue their job but I have to go and and it was very nice a success yeah it was very good yes it was a success I was very happy they were all very happy and uh that was because of this uh this YouTube thing what drew you to get into this uh hypnosis and uh coach and uh therapy. Yes, that's a that's a very good question. That's a very good question. What drew me? Uh the first thing is I I am someone who is interested in human beings well-being to do good to people and to help people. If you don't have that giver mentality Yes. Exactly. You have and this is I will make a parenthesis here because you you are saying something that is very very important in the world. You have um two types of people or a few types of people. Well, you have a group which is a the giver group and you have one which is the taker group. Of course you have givers and takers. you have selfish people and you have generous people and either one you belonging to one group or the other. That's what I I realized along with uh well your experience our experience in in in human being and and and behaviors and people take or give you know so it depends which category you want to be in. So doctors and therapists and and people who are into into giving they are doing this type of job. They can do other types of job of obviously uh like helping you know uh all kinds of help and sedaka thing but so so I had this this thing in me all the time and a few years ago eight nine years ago unfortunately I lost my father. After I lost my father about 3 months later, I developed a rash very uh heavy and burning rash and it was traveling all over my body. I could not it was not once place. I didn't know what it was. I went to see dermatologist in France. They made test. They did this nothing. Then I had to travel to Israel. I made another test over there for 3 hours. Nothing. They just say stress. But I'm not stressed. You know when people don't know doctors don't don't know what it is say stress maybe it's stress also but also related I'm not stressed but is it that you had a special relationship with your father yeah but he come I'll come to that then I um they gave me anti-istaminic uh pills then it disappeared for two weeks after it was again and again after it was three days every 3 days I had to take a pill and I was like you know come on doesn't stop this thing you know for a year and I heard on the radio that hypnosis can cure skin disease skin like soasis and other things like because because everything is coming from the mind yeah the mind and the body is the same no but the body shows what the mind has the the body is sending me the message right yeah yeah and you have a lot of symbolism in the into the disease where is it hurting you That's where in your mind you have a problem. Okay. So I looked on Google and when I looked I saw training in hypnosis. So I I said okay you know what I'm not going to go to somebody. I'm going to help myself. You were already a therapist or a coach. Nothing. No I was I'm a telecom engineer. So I had a telecom company and uh So you you were not in this field at all. No not at all. I was in communications and speaking from machines to machines. Now I speak from human to human but still in communication. So basically after a year I had not solved my problem because I didn't find the right I was not looking for a therapist. Now I knew how it works inside but still the problem was there. And one day I met another hypnotherapist who had done his studies in America. And it's a bit different in America than in France. In France, we don't make people speak. We don't make them speak. We speak and they listen. Okay? It's a method. In America, they make the people more speak more. So she she was uh trained in America and I went for the hypnosis with her and uh she asked the question. So she put me under hypnosis and when you are under hypnosis the the part of yourself who is listening is the subconscious part not the conscious part. The conscious part is right now what we're doing right the subconscious part is when the conscious part is out of the way we speak to your subconscious mind. So she asked my subconscious mind she said why do you give such a rush why do you do that you know and I answered I answered an answer which I didn't know you know it's I said because I never said goodbye to my father my father passed away and I was taken away from the room in two minutes he passed away but I was I didn't feel like that was a closure type of thing I did not say goodbye and that is a shock talk which I didn't realize but my subconscious mind realized sent me something to the body I had to fix this. So she said, "Say goodbye to your father now." And I said, "And then she said to me, "And now you're going to answer what your father would have answer you." And I answered and after I woke up from this and it was finished. No more rush, no more nothing. Unbelievable stuff. I had this medicine for a year and in my pocket all the time. I could not miss because one day it was burning. How long is a session like that? A session is about Okay. The session is divided into two. There is a speaking uh part which can be 15, 20 minutes, half an hour speaking. We're speaking to know exactly where we're going, what you do, where are you holding, what are you doing etc. And then there is a second part which can be half an hour, it can be 20 minutes, we can be 10 minutes or 5 minutes, doesn't matter which is the proper hypnosis state session. And that goes to the point. That goes to the point. And that went like 20 minutes or so, something like that. It was Yeah. No big deal. But no big deal. But yes, big deal. It's it's a big thing. And since then, when I see people who have this, I make the same thing. I do the same thing because it's that it is that. It's unbelievable. So that gave you a uh an insight of to get into this and try to help other people. Yes. Uh uh the insight to go into this was that um when I learned the training on hypnosis I saw but you know what I know all this this is all from Torah perspective this is a Torah thing except that the goim have put it into a very orderly manner they are very you know it's it is um there is a seder how to start things and we have it spread out in the garas in the hum whatever but it's all Yeah, but it's all there. It's all in the kazal. It's all in this thing. It's let me give you an example, okay? I give lectures on Torah and hypnosis. So, I explained with Sukim, with this, with poskim, with uh and I I took a lot of sources, but one of the source, okay, as a joke, you know, who was the first hypnotherapist in the Torah? Hashem. He had to hypnotize Adam Marishan to make him accept that he should take a wife. You know, he put him deep deep deep. Yeah. The tardma, so the deep sleep in order to operate on him. So he did an anesthesia. That's true. And then he had no choice. You know, she was there. That's it. That's the first place, man. It's just in the toilet. Manipulation. As I said before, hypnosis is a state of daydreaming. Daydreaming means what is a dream? A dream is something that you want to get there. What did Yakov Aino dream? He was dreaming. There was a ladder malim going up and down and normally malim should go down and up not up and down. M so explains is like the were going up to the cover and the cover was the image of Jacob and they were going down to Yakov the young Jacob saying look this is what you can be you can become the Jakobu or not and then he woke up he says wow this is and now I know this is where I want to be this is my dream and this is what I want to achieve. So hypnosis is making a person dream about a different future about himself because that's why he's coming for coming to have a new vision of himself. And that's that's what let's say the goim do when they do simulations they you want to learn how to uh pilot to be a pilot or be on a plane. They put you into a fake thing into a simulator. Yeah. you into a similar for driving for whatever it is because once you do things and you repeat it and you dream about it then you can get to that point. Yes. So because that's what I want to understand how if you talk to the unconscious mind if you can tap into the unconscious mind what makes the person when he comes out of it to go and do it I mean he has a good session as the hypnosis is happening he has a he has this he has that but where does the change happen you know exactly the same way that you had a dream of building this room. Correct. And it ended up being a dream. Oh, and and we did it. Yes. Because you see it. You don't need hypnosis. You have a vision for it. What you do is you open up a vision to the unconscious mind of where he should be. And when you have that vision, that person puts one foot in front of the other. He actually goes ahead and he does it. You That's what it is. Yes. You concretize your dream. Your dream becomes real. A dream. If you want to make your dream real, wake up right and do it. Don't don't let dreaming don't sleep, right? So make your dream happen. So this is the this is what hypnosis is all about. You're taking the person's dream what that he wants really unconsciously and you bring it to the forefront and this person is actually is actually going and pursuing it. Exactly. Even consciously because consciously people want to do things. They want to lose, right? But they're stuck in certain stop smoking. So let's let's let's just let's just take lose weight. Weight loss is a huge thing. Yes. How does hypnosis work with with because you would say to the this is how you you want to be healthy or this is how you envision yourself looking and then you come out of it and you're like I'm not going to touch this food anymore. Is exactly. But it's tough because because how many and you're saying this is fast, right? You want to tell me that after one session? What is No, no, no, no. What is fast and what is slow? According to you, slow is it's a it's a it's a lifetime change uh losing weight. It's not something that you can go in and uh you have a good day or a good week and then you fall back, you know, like every other thing. Okay. So let me tell you the the losing weight can uh I mean the overweight of a person comes for different reasons with different people. So one is not to be compared with the other because one can can can uh different reasons. Okay. Different reasons. One could be by because in his childhood his parents fed him a lot. Okay. Fine. They fed him a lot. Okay. Or it can be because he had developed bad habits also. Bad habits. Some people eat for stress. Exactly. Stress, emotion, comfort food. Exactly. So this then is easier to stop. But it's not one session. In other words, I am not going to change somebody's life in 60 minutes. It's impossible. Correct? Especially food because food is three times a day or more and it's good and it's good for living. It's not like cigarettes. Cigarette we know is bad, is deadly. So it's in one session we stop it. But food is different. And for food I take about three months. I accompany the person three months and each week each week and after each every two weeks every 3 weeks we see each other. This is just hypnosis only. This is not therapy. And talking and directions and different type of habits and of course diet without a diet. without a diet but change of habits. So and with the three months you have seen a tremendous results. Yeah. Unbelievable results. Oh yes. Yes. It's like each week two pounds off without dieting you know about what is the long-term effect. Let's say after 3 months and yeah the long term is that you are rep it's already in the system. It's being in the system. We can yeah you are reprogrammed. Doesn't mean that somebody cannot fail cannot do this. Of course it we are all human and nothing is. So I do give u a boost every month or every two months to people who have come and they need a little boost whatever it is but they do stop and the most important thing to stop is the addictive effect of the food. Once you have a normal relationship with food because food is a relationship correct you know like a friend or a wife or whatever it is it is a relationship you can fall fall in love with people addicted to food you can call it addiction of course of course the before you go after you go but it's also a whole big we're going to eat we're going to buy this the whole life revolves around food yes and that's that's the the biggest that is there you know you justified it you know I'm making a so so it's good to eat or on shabas you know you overeat on shabas the killer yeah because it over you overeat and it's a you let go on shabas you feel like you know you overeat then you have you know the second sha so all kinds ofim to eat more but at the end of the day you do you do put on a lot it catches up on you a lot of weight and that's not healthier at all. It's not good. And I see people on Shabas because I am invited to different smos and everything when and when we see people eat a little bit, people eat more, they enjoy, they have their own egg shabas, they know when to stop. Yes. Yes. So yeah, food and this is this is a a huge struggle that people have with overweight. It's tremendous. It's not so simple. It's not like a Okay. But in hypnosis it it goes simpler. I don't say that it is simple but but it's a tool to help you. Definitely a tool to help you. It's a tool to help on the condition that there is a letting go, acceptation of of uh of doing it and commitment. You have to be committed. It's not a magic wand, you know. It's not it's not magic. It has it it requires work but it's a help. It's a what are the ages? Let's say their children are also can you can do hypn from what age does hypnosis start? My youngest one was four years old. Wow. Yeah. What kind of uh what kind of issues for children uh for example fear of dentists. Okay. She didn't want to go to dentist or um urinating in bed you know bedwetting all these kind of things. uh bed waiting till till 12 till till 15 till 20 you know and the parents bring them to try to to stop bed wetting or children who don't want to eat vegetables for example about a month ago I had a girl was was 11 years old small like this because she does she ate only bread pizza pasta all the mezono stuff right and no fruits and no vegetables, nothing. No nutrition for her. Yes. And she got uh car lacking, you know, lacking of vitamins and she the body got sick out of not eating healthy things. So the mother called me and she wanted that I see her daughter. I said, "Okay, fine." And so she brought her in and then I said to the mother, "Look, you're going to leave me alone with her and you go to the shop and you're going to buy carrots, you're going to buy celery, you're going to buy cherry tomatoes, cucumbers, which she never tasted." So she said, "Okay." So she went to the shop and I stayed with her, I don't know, 15, 20 minutes speaking hypnosis. The mother came back. We had a full platter of fruit, some vegetables. For the first time in her life, she ate while she was in the It took an hour and the total thing and the mother was crying and crying and crying. She never saw eating. I have the pictures and everything. It's very nice. Yes. Yes. It was Yeah. It's unbelievable. It's very It's It's Who's your clientele? Is it the Jewish community in Paris or it's It's amazing. In Paris, I have 80% non-Jews. 80% non-Jews and 20% Jews. Wow. And 5% F. Yeah. Now you also uh you also but let me tell you why because it's very important to to know this and one of the reasons I'm here in my Yeah. is to speak and to show to the F community that this is a tremendous tool. It's an unbelievable. I mean people know about it but they're not veryated about it. Yeah, people are scared when they they hear hypnosis. They think immediately of a show because there is hypnosis because I've seen these shows and and people are like being made fun of and it looks like that their mind is being taken over completely. You can make them do whatever they want. People are not ready especially from people are not ready to to not put themselves out there on stage. Forget about that. But even in person to to to just let a person just come in and and uh some people are like are there people who you cannot hypnotize like people would who fight back right? Is that what it is? But then they don't come right. No but let me explain to you. You have and and then I'll go back to the F community. You have um you have the show hypnosis. Yeah. The show hypnosis is made for a show for a spectacular effect. We're not talking about that. We're not talking about being on stage. We're talking about a onetoone therapic therapist uh raar relationship. There is nobody. There's no show. There's no camera. Nothing. So there's nothing to be afraid of. Everything is secured and controlled. Okay. But the question is, do you have the capability to make a show like that? Yes, I do shows. You do? I do also. It's not comedy shows. Yes, I do. I had a gala with Kabad with this. I I do pesak shows. I do a birthday show. This is something that a person should This is a person that he he feels that he's he's surrendering completely to a to a It's an experience. Yeah. Some people are up for it, but uh it's an experience. Now, when I do the show, I never do the show with a making fun of the person. Of course, it's a funny thing, but I don't ridiculously it's it's I stay, you know, in a proper ethical uh manner and and but it's still fun. uh the the the fume community is scared because they think that they're going to and reveal reveal secrets. This is all bologonies, you know. It's all it's nothing and it's all uh things that are in their imaginations. But one day and that's why I'm here to a little bit explain that this is a regular therapy and it is a powerful and it can really help uh people people who suffer can can really be helped with this. People who suffer and unfortunately they they leave suffering they stay suffering and they will die suffering. Unbelievable. Now you help get sick. You help people in the United States as well. Yes, of course. How do you go? How do you go from Paris to Because I come here often. Oh yeah, I come here often. I have a sister living in Moni. I myself learned in Yeshiva in my a long time ago. Which one? Oh yes. Yes. So I was in Osame. So and Monzy is like a second home to Right. So you come you come a few times a year. I come a few times a year. You see clients over here? I see clients over here and then I follow them on on Zoom. I follow them on Zoom. You can do hypnosis on Zoom as well. And it works just as good as as in person. It works good. I wouldn't say just as good, but it works well. You can do it on phone without the zoom without also. Huh? Because that's how powerful this stuff. It's if the person the mind has to listen. If the mind wants to do if you don't resist. Yes. Then may it could work. You say the word resistance. Yeah. If you want to resist, so then don't come. Right. But how is it with children? Do children understand hypnosis like or they fall into like quickly? Children are very um open to this because children have children are only subconscious. They are unconscious. Children don't have an adult an adult can can fight back. An adult is a player. Exactly. You see, you know, but children have imagination, right? They have a tremendous imagination. They dream. Their life is a dream till about 7 8 years old. So afterwards they start becoming more conscious of things and they start growing up and they have what's called a das and when misvah then they become baras but the das comes before 9 years old they they start understanding things of course but so hypnosis with children is is imagination so is dreaming that's also that's one of the method of the Torah is to tell stories we have to hear these stories about Jacob about Moshe about this about we have to hear the stories why couldn't the Torah said you know you have to be and do this and that doesn't speak me you need to hear the mice the story so you tell a story to a child but you tell a story into the hypnosis session the session is and it's called storytelling and you will see that if you want to see who is a good speaker a good speaker, a good dash with a good story. They always say a story, a personal story, a story he heard, whatever it is, the the goa world, they they they also have this thing. Okay. And it's they called it my my my friend John. I have a friend called John, you know, and you know, he has exactly the same problem you have. And it happens that he did that and that. Wow. So, somebody else has got, you know, my a story has got a story to tell. And that's that's the storytelling is is is this is the the the mashim the midrashim. Yeah. Yeah. A mashall. What is a mash? Why you need mash for? Explain to me the theory. No, I'm going to tell you a story. Relates to it. Yes. Mind relates to the story. And the subconscious mind who is about age of 8 years old, 7 8 years old needs a story to understand. In the hypnosis community, you feel that uh everything that that um can be cured with hypnosis, which means stuttering or anything that children suffer from or adults. No, no, no, no. Not everything. Not everything. If it's if it's not heavy psychiatric problems, if it's only in mental or emotional problems, yes. If it's too heavy. Oh, like it's like bipolar bipolar polarity you say? Yeah, like bipolar or serious serious um serious stuff I don't touch personally. That's medication that I don't I don't deal with that you know but but people are are struggling in in their life. Um and that's a pity and that's a real pity relationship whether it's a spouse relationship whether whe whether it's friends whether it's business what about old memories that um you know it's very interesting even adults you're talking about 50 60 70 years old and sometimes you can hear from them that they remember what a child told them or what a rebi told them but they they can't get it out of their head they just can't that that person uh embarrassed me or that person said something even sometimes positive also that person said something changed my life 200%. That's the UNC that sits over there and that's called an anchor you know anchor for the boat. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So your anchor is anchored in but that's a that's a good thing it's a bad thing have to get rid of it or like let's say if a person somehow he remember he will always remember what a friend said to him good or bad and he can speak about it. He's 65 years old. He said, "I will never forget this." Yes. It doesn't have anger. It doesn't have anger. It's not upset. It's not anything. It just sits there. Yes. So, I'm trying to see where this comes in with hypnosis. We use this a lot to to unanch anchor something that is anchored. Mhm. And to um and to anchor on the contrary. So, to something positive in it. Yes. Exactly. Connect that with something positive. Yes. For example, you can have a child who is going to not a child, an adult who is afraid of going into planes. Were you ever in a crash? Did you this? Did you that? Did you go to Never one You interview the client? Yeah. Yeah. In in the hour of hypnosis and while this person is sleeping. No. No. You're getting a full interview. No. No. No. Before Before I ask him before he's sleeping. Yeah. So, just when he's sleeping, you talk you take over then and you talk to the mind. Yes. And then the person gets up. Yes. But one to to to continue this the story. So this person remembers that one day his mother was speaking to a friend and the friend was telling she was on a plane and the plane had a whatever you know turbulences and it was scary like that. It was unbelievable blah blah blah blah blah. So the child got this message got this anchor and and since then doesn't want to go into a he's stuck with that because he heard from this. So for for for for you as an adult, it's a simple conversation. It's a stomach conversation. For an a child to listen to that, it's it's a it's a trauma, right? So it makes a a real impact on on the on the child's mind. So you have to be very careful when you speak with your friends, with even with your wife, whatever. You know, a child listening that doesn't understand everything, but it sets in there. It goes in there like sometimes like a little poison or something. Exactly. And they make their own uh they have their own ideas what what what they make of it and it sits over there because they have an imagination and the imagination is is can go wild or positive or negative. We know imagination can be bad, can be good. Now, is it fair to say that hypnosis plays with the with the mind with the with the with the person's mind? Or that's not a nice no way to put it. The it's not plays, it's it's not plays, it's a pro reprogramming. It's reprogramming. Now, I would can you explain the difference of you know this it's a new craze of the psychedelics now. Um there's a lot of people very much into it. IA and breathing is also something new that's becoming very popular and even in the film community believe it or not I mean a lot of people are talking about it about these Iwas and there's the shamans you know the people who take who like running this professionals and then there are not professionals and then there's just regular psychedelics like mushrooms and stuff like that. What does that do to the brain and what does hypnosis do to the brain? You you smoke? No. Okay. But you smoked once? Never. Never did. Okay. Rare person. Yeah. Okay. When somebody takes a substance, whether it's tobac tobacco, which is let's say mild or cocaine. Yeah. Drugs. Or drugs or mushrooms, whatever it is. It goes into the the brain into the neurons and it affects the neurotransmitters. In which way it affect it it's it has it down up molecules the molecules it's just like a pill a pill has got molecules chemical molecules that will affect your brain to fill this to fill that whatever it is that the person needs to have and therefore the the brain is affected by this and it brings hallucinations and it brings different types of emotions and and Hallucinations is not a positive thing at all. What is hallucinations? Why is it so why would someone want to have hallucinations or see colors or stuff like that? Because people are sad and un in their regular state of mind and they want to go they need away space out go away from this. It gives them a high. Yes. But that high is totally um temporary. Temporary. Um it's totally um how do you call it? not real, right? It's uh it's virtual. Yeah. And doesn't exist for real. So, it's not like a real simha you at the wedding. There you have a real simra. You are high from the real simra, from the dancing, for music, but it's a real thing. It's not from something chemical that you that you you put in to get a reaction. Yes. And that thing is of brings a big damages to the brain and to the body. But it's like alcohol. Alcohol also the same thing. Okay. So it's it affects the brain. It affects the body. And people don't feel they they want to forget about their daily life. Correct. And this is the way to forget the daily life. It brings them a good feeling at the time. But afterwards you have a price to pay. Yeah. There's a price to pay for. There's a price to pay. Of course. So all these alternatives or is I don't call them alternatives but these are really drugs. They're very negative. Very negative. And so why damage your brain and damage your body? How is it damaging the brain in which way? Because the neurotransmitters are are being destroyed by this because every other drug or every other psychedelic is sometimes gives gives a person a self-esteem. I don't you know what I mean? It it gives him like it makes him feel superior or something. It's all artificial. It doesn't have a long-term healthy effect on the person. Nothing nothing. And we know today that smoking weed, smoking these things will affect your memory after a few years will affect your reflex. Yeah. It's terrible. And people tend to forget and they say it's it's it's a it's unbelievable what's going on on the street with these youngsters. the youngsters today, everybody wants to test it out. Everybody wants to taste it. And and and you're you're cool if you take it because everybody's taking it. And it just has a tremendous tremendous effect on people and families and on life and and it's just like a pandemic, you know. Yes. But the bottom line is people are so unhappy in their lives that they're looking for something to get. So, so here's where where hypnosis comes in. In the world of addictions, what they say is that really the person does not love the bottle. The person does not love the actual drug. They're hiding something. They have a problem which was not uh dealt with. Yes. And they use the bottle to cover that up. Exactly. So that's what did they do in rehabs? They sit in rehabs all day from 6:00 in the morning till 8:00 at night in meetings. What do they do in meetings? talking about their lives, talking and figuring it out, understanding it back. That's all they do. And people say, "What are they doing in rehab all day, 12 hours a day?" They talk it out. They want to understand what are you hiding? What are you running away from? So, as far as curing an addiction through hypnosis, is it some people call it a disease and some people are very against the word disease because what what do you mean it's a disease? This person has a particular problem. Whatever his problem is and the way he chose to deal with the problem is to drink alcohol. Yeah. It's not a disease because a disease is something that you you didn't take for yourself and you can't control it. Yeah. Somebody has inside his mind is his body. It's it's it's really a slavery. It's an addiction. It's the mind you cannot uh uh be independent in its dependency on things you know whether it's this little stick you know cigarette stick I call it a cancer stick or or drugs or alcohol but it's something that more and the more and more you take it the more it brings you a certain type of pleasure which becomes addictive and therefore you don't shop they in America they are specialist with addiction of food products you know like you will take peanuts but it's not simple peanuts they will put all kinds of of um uh peppers and of spices to make you want to eat more and more and more it's also an addiction you know and flavors it does something to the brain that you want more of course of course it They found out that Marboro in the 1970s their sales went up tremendously compared to the other tobacco manufacturers. They were wondering why Marbor was so successful and they found out after a few years or whatever that Marbor was putting sugar into the the tobacco and so the sugar goes right to the brain and and brain is addicted to sugar and wants more sugar and more sugar and that's how they you know they uh were able to make such a sales. What is your opinion about um how to handle addictions, you know, drug, heavy addictions, drugs, alcohol, gambling, all these type of things? Don't do it alone. You won't succeed. Alone is impossible. You have to be accompanied by somebody like go to meetings and stuff like Yes. Also, and there are things to do, homeworks to do. But the first step is to admit that you have a problem. like if you don't admit if you think that this is just ah it's only shabas it's drinking by the kdish and stuff like that but uh no first to admit that you have a problem right and and unfortunately most people don't admit it till it's too late till it's too late till the people around them are telling them or whatever the case exactly till they lose kid the kids and whatever their family if you don't know that you have a problem then there is nothing to solve right so there's the the denial. Yeah. Yes. It's Yeah. There's nothing. I have nothing. What do you want from me? Right. Everything is good in my life. So, I have nothing to solve and uh and Okay. And they say, "Okay, I I prefer to be alone and and happy than to go and see somebody and that he will and I will think that I am mentally or whatever." No, no, it's not that, you know, but but the thing is But where is the foundation? Where do you have to is it do we is is a missing education for the for the for the youngsters like for little where they start off or the connection to the I I I just you know where what's missing that people are running away from their lives. They don't want to face it. They don't have a good foundation of what life is all about. What's I don't think so. Um it's funny you say this. I have a two weeks ago in Paris I have Baku Shiva who came to me he's learning in Israel he's the son of the Abzdin one of the Abzdin in Paris so he's a very Kashova family and he's a good boy really really good I've seen him a few times he comes and he's is I like him a lot he's he's very nice boy and tells me please I want to stop smoking but I am Yeshiva in Israel and every single bakur is smoking smoking right and therefore even if I want I can't because the whole hey you don't smoke you are abnormal you have to smoke and and he's coming from a good mishba and he has good basis and he knows and he understand and he's smart but everyone is smoking so want to be left out is sick what do you do and the problem is if the Roshish Shiva is smoking also then it makes it you see you see so there is a sephir that was written by the secretary of it's and it's an unbelievable I actually have it over here you have it yeah I'm going to show you I have it so this is anybody who is smoking or who has an addiction whatever it is should read it because it says there that you know So everybody everything is except if you act in a way that naturally you get sick it's not you got yourself this disease you eat it's four pounds of chocolate and you get a stomach ache it's not minim you should not have eaten the four pounds of chocolate so if somebody smokes cigarette and has a lung cancer it's not it's you who put it yourself because the Torah tells you keep yourself, guard your body, you know, be a bodyguard to your body and don't smoke and don't do dangerous things. So it says in this person has put himself in danger. Why do you d for him? It's tough. Yeah, it's tough. Why should Hashem now heal that person and bring healing when he put himself his hand in the fire and he thinks it's not going to burn? It's going to burn. So, so it's it's quite bad and and it brings a lot of on this and people who have shoot in business and smoke they they died because of this. The Rambam is is is is making a thing that he well he should not get anything you know because he put himself in danger himself. It's not so you geoparadise your own life and your family life and your business life and everything is is is tough on it. People don't know they don't know this suffer they should buy it right they really should buy it but to come back to your question unfortunately the in in America in Israel everywhere and the young wants to they are not satisfied anymore with the black and white page of kamar you know now today's multimedia and 3Ds and 4Ds and whatever it is and and they need color and music and this how can you compete with that so they still want to be in learning And maybe maybe with hallucination psychedelics they will have that multimedia stuff that the others are but it's it's wrong. It's totally wrong. It's unbelievable stuff. Now you we were saying before uh there are people who are just not cut out for hypnosis like you cannot put them to sleep. Yes. Uh only we can put them to sleep is not the right sleep. Yeah. Yeah. You're just relaxing. Relaxing. people who don't want to relax, who are resistant and who or they're by they're never relaxed. This is what their life is all about. They're always in control and they're always uh always stressed and they're always resisting. Okay? And you say the word they want to be in control. But I say to them, there's only one who's controlling above. You don't control anything. So if you have the illusion that you control, then Hashem will tell you, okay, control. Let's see how you do it. Okay, let's see. But doesn't work. And that that's why their life is tough. Their life is tough and they are tough with the lives. So it's a pity instead of being relaxed being cool and uh yes these people are hard to to to go into therapy and that's why I only have 5% of people because the more into Torah you are Mhm. the less you the more you you you want to to say okay I'm smarter you know I'm smarter I can do better I can control better I can the less in Tora you are okay I I know that I don't know I'm going to put myself my hands into a therapist and let him help me that's what the goim do right let him help me I I acknowledge that I have a problem I want to be cured so you they have a harder time to admit that the even Though the lives are very not you know some marriages or some uh the lives are not easy. No they will they will not they they're not open for ideas not open to help. No and that's that's a real real pity because it has gone into the popular mind that if you go see somebody for help it's like a stigma. Yeah. You are you are really something is wrong. You know mentally something and on the other hand it's just the opposite. It's just the opposite. Just the opposite. This is takes such courage of a person to go in and to have an open mind and learn from another person and say maybe the other person has something to say that you didn't know before. But these you know a psychologist tremendous courage has learned how the human mind functions and how to help other people with problems. Yeah. Why is it different than if you get a plumber to fix your if you want it's broken you come and you fix a professional. That doesn't mean that he is your uh your rabbi. It doesn't mean that he is your but at least go listen go to a professionalact and listen to another person's opinion. It doesn't mean that you know everything so perfectly. Yes. Exactly. They don't go and uh Okay. And and it's a real pity. It's a real pity. That's why the the community should be educated to go and see because okay they say okay I'm going to the Reb. I'm going to but the Reb doesn't have time for all this. Right. Right. It's a daily or weekly process. It's a and also the rough doesn't have all the tools. Right. There are therapeutic tools. There are therapeutic uh coaching tools. If he is smart, he is sending you to a professional. Yes, they do. They do. A lot of them do. That's true. Because they recognize they cannot deal with it. No. This is a long-term thing. This is something that you got to go and really get into it. Yes. So is there um ever that you saw a very surprising transformation that you remember that you would had a client and you saw something amazing that you couldn't believe a lot there are a a lot of uh I mean couldn't believe yes and no because I believe you go in believing that this could happen let me tell you one or two stories about this I went once into a store in Paris um like a 7-Eleven store, okay, to buy a drink. I was thirsty. I wanted to buy drink. I So I bought one bottle of juice, whatever. And the guy there was a Pakistani guy, young guy, 20 something. He thanked me, but he thanked me with all his heart. Thank you so much for buying for me. Thank you. I said, why do you thank me? I didn't buy for $1,000 or $500 merchandise. I I bought one or $2 drink, euro. He said, he said, "No, I don't have any customers. Customers don't come and therefore every customer that comes in, I thank him and I appreciate it. I appreciate the money." So I told him, "You want to have customers?" He said, "Sure." So I said, "Look, look, you're going to think right now that you have a lot of customers and you're going to be thankful and grateful that right now you have a lot of customers." You understand? It was a pass to guy, you know, not a smartest thing, right? He said, "Okay, fine." Similar to a manifestation type of thing, like you're already seeing it. Positive thinking, "I don't have customers. I don't have customers. I'm complaining about it." that therefore you don't have customers because that's what you said right what you think what you think is is creating your reality correct so I told him now you're going to think that you have many customers okay sir thank you sir I'll do that I have video recording this okay it's very interesting okay I left the next day I came back I was on my way so I entered into the shop and I said no he said look the minute you left. I sold these bottles which I never sold for for for 6 months. The bott of whiskey was standing there. I sold this da da da da. I finished at 5:00 in the morning. My father is here 20 years. He never had such a such a a business, such a day that came. I broke the whole shop here. It was unbelievable. Please come again. Take whatever you want. You know, it was he thanked me like like crazy. and I have recorded it and and filmed it and and he he explained to me I just followed what you said without thinking without being very smart. It was just Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Think positive be positive because it's very powerful. The the mind can bring you down all the way and up. Exactly. It's such a powerful It's the motor of the car. What was the strangest request you got when it came to hypnosis? Oh, yes. the strangest request. I mean funny like somebody who forgot where he put his keys. So he came to me and he said put me in the process. I want to remember where I put my keys. You were you were you were in the right place and the right time. I mean where did he find you? Well he he went for a session. He called you and he said listen I lost my keys. I need to find it. He paid for it but it didn't work. Why didn't work? For two reasons. one he was he he was forcing himself to be in a process. You don't force yourself. You have to let go. You have to let go and I must be relaxed. I must relax. You never relax if you say I must. But it's also a little bit weird. I must find this key. It's not about it's but it's it's letting go. It's a whole different Yes. This is not a tool to use for let's say you know. Yeah. And especially memory uh plays on mind. Memory plays on mind you know. Have you have you gone back to where you were in as a child or in school? Have you gone back adults with with memories? No. Where where did you learn when you were kid? 5 years, 6 years old here. In Brooklyn. Have you gone back to your school to look at the building? Let's say pass by the building. Yes. Inside. Have you? No. Never. Never. Never. If you would go now, Yeah. you would say, "Wow, that's such a small thing. small building this it's right at that time was like huge I thought it was unbelievable why because memory plays according to whatever you you you you your p the perception is different according so it's not a lie but it plays a little bit yeah yeah sure so it's not accurate right it's not accurate and therefore people can therefore maybe even uh swear something is true correct but they invent invented everything in their mind but they believe what a complete lie they would swear that is that is something it's a film it's a movie that they built and their their their and they believe it of course they really believe it like there are cases of pedophilia or like the crazy cases and these the the the people who are accused are accusing the victims of completely making it up your memory is just what you just said right now is this a possibility yeah it's I don't say but it's It can be a possibility that a person is inventing a story. That's dangerous. We all do this. By the way, we all do this. I'll tell you how. You have an event that happened to you and let's say a few other people the same thing. Now, that same event a month from there, I ask you to tell me about the event and I ask your friend and your fa they'll say different story. They saw different things, right? And they imagine different things. You can be in a car accident and you say a different story than the other one who wasn't the same. So, but it's two people that had the same event, you know, but they see it in a different perspective and they therefore they build a story behind right that I can understand. But I'm talking about a complete fantasy. Let me tell you a story. Um I was in a shop and um a telephone shop and the lady wanted to there's a lady wanted to take back her phone. So guy gave her back her phone and she said where is the cover? I I need the cover. And uh the technician there said look we never take covers because we don't want the covers. I gave it back to you. No, no, no, no, no. You have the cover. I remember that you have the cover. You say cover. Yeah. Yeah. Cover. And arguing five minutes like this. Then take look. We're going to stop the discussion. I have a camera here. We're going to look at the camera. Okay. Look at the camera. You see, I gave you the cover. Oh, I remember. I was in another shop and in that other shop I gave the cover, you know, but she was so convinced that it was this shop. Yeah. And she was going to swear on it. That's that happens almost every day. Wow. Yeah. So you amazing stuff. You have people who will swear. You never said that to me. You never say that to me. But yes, I did say you just forgot because you only see or hear what you want to see or hear. There is a famous little video clip video that we show in uh in coaching. I don't know if you saw that video. It's a it's a video of people playing basketball, right? And in that video, we ask the person count how many bounces the balloon is doing or how many passes they ask the players. So, it's a two-minute clips. So, the person counts one, two, 12, 15. At the end of the video, they everybody says a number because they concentrate on the bouncing. And then we ask them, did you see the big gorilla in the film? A big gorilla? What are you talking about? There's no gorilla. There was a big gorilla that crossed the the the the the plague, you know. Now, let's pause the video again. And then we see a big guy gorilla cross and you didn't even notice it. No. So, what is your advice for people who want to try hypnosis for the first time? They never just just go for it. What's the biggest misconception that people have about hypnosis? No, but first of all, everything all this is super confidential. I'm not going to talk to anybody. I'm not going to put into the monthly newspaper, whatever it is. Nobody will know. It's just you and me. It's just But in a tight-knit community, everybody knows everything. Nobody knows. I'm not from here. No, no. That's what I'm saying. Here in the community, everybody knows what the other person is cooking for dinner. You see? Yeah. Unfortunately, I I I I I get a lot of kabad uh bharim a lot of kabad customers. Kabad a little bit open more open-minded than openminded that you see in the very firm community for one reason I get them. Mhm. Because I am not kabad. Correct. So they send to me because they say that a complete stranger. He's I'm not going to the community. I'm not going to speak about that. I'm outside. I'm a foreigner, you know. So So that works in your favor. Yeah. And same thing here. Who cares? I'm not I'm not this is the place. There is a confidentiality. I'm not I'm not interested to speak, you know. I see thousands of people. I don't care. I don't just for them. It's not about that. It's about you have something that can relieve some pain for people. Um that's why I give lectures to explain. That's why this podcast is so important. The education is very very important. Exactly. The education to to take care of yourself. You know there is a a famous saying that in order to go outside of the room of a room you have to go in the room first right if you want to go outside of fear you have to go into the fear first how can you know taste it how do you know what it is if you haven't tasted it you know I don't like like children I don't like this vegetable but you never tasted it you know taste it first then you can say you don't like it's fine but taste it first come see sit down listen, maybe you'll get something out of that, you know, and um but it's closed-minded. It's it's it's very hard. It's very hard to penetrate the community. Yeah. Yes. Maybe maybe if we are talking about rebels maybe an idea because while you were talking is to be able to have a talk and the same type of interview we have with give them to understand what this thing how this thing can help but then they can tell to their correct that this is this is a if the put a on it yes exactly they'll say okay then this is something to consider right it's an idea just popped into my hand. Beautiful. So maybe with your help we can do something. Is there any risk or side effect from from there's no risk. There's no side effects. There's nothing there. You just there's only a positive thing. It's only positive. Only positive. It's only if you don't want to continue, you don't want to continue. But at least give it a give it a shot. It's it is what you're saying. Changes. It brings changes, you know. It brings changes. It's uh it's you can you can look at all the the reviews on my name and in in in Google and uh and you can you can see the commentaries of people. It it really brings such unbelievable changes that that people are so thankful like little girl who would not eat vegetable like any other things uh that you wouldn't imagine. I have a bul there that is, you know, people have all kind of things in their head. He has a phobia of going out to the toilet. Mhm. If he goes out of his home, he will not go to the toilet. Mhm. It's only has to be in his house. Yes. Where is secure place and quiet place and whatever. So, okay. So, during the day in Shiva or whatever, he's not going to go. No. Yeah. So uh some people don't like the public places because of the cleanliness and this so they rather not go. This is going so far that if let's say he knows that he has to to go out for for the whole day or to travel he will not eat for two days just so he doesn't have to go to the toilet. So it's affecting his life. Yeah. Sure. Everything terrible. It's all kinds all these things are have to be cured. This makes it makes people unhappy with all their they're struggling in their mind and and and and and all the the the the stories they tell themselves, you know, in in in their things. And I see a lot of people like this. Um for example, okay, here in Monty you don't have such a problem, but in New York you may have it in Paris you have a lot of these. You have people who have dogs. Okay, go have dogs. That's the way they walk the dogs. I get one day a b comes listen I broke the shid broke I broke my shid why I was walking with my car on the sidewalk and there is a little grandmother in front with a little dog walking I panicked so I ran away I crossed the street very fast almost got hit by a car but was this little little dog so the kala saw this I said what you abandon me in danger cuz for you dangerous dog right so you I don't want a husband that he's going to run away. Running away is not going to protect me. So I got all the bak from the yeshiva going into that came to me after that you know because you know it's it's stupid to live with such fears in the of Yeah. Yeah. It's it's not oh who cares about dogs? Okay who cares? But it's it's it's in life it's there you know. So so it parts parts of of life and dogs are not so bad you know. Kev it's Yeah. But we the you know when you grow up with that the dog is is a Yeah. But that's an education again. You know I used to take my children to parks. Yeah. And to go with dogs and pet the dogs and don't be afraid. They're not afraid of dogs because children. So dogs are not dangerous. It's okay. Right. And like this they're not afraid and it's important. It's all in the mind. It's all in the mind. It's all in the mind. Everything runs around. Now the final question is how did this change your personal life as far as ah very nice I became I became calmer I'm a very nervous person uh I by nature by nature I still uh kept my nervousness in speeding you know I speed a little I like the speed but I became calmer and less nervous and more uh happy I was always happy liberty more happy because uh even if there are things that are like terrible. Okay. Okay. Okay. Settle down. Sit down. Everything is a matter of how you react to a situation. The gives you a situation brings to a situation that can be hard because sometimes life is hard because it's not what you want when you want something different. But how do you react to to it is up to you. It's up to you. So you can react positively, you can react negatively. It's up to you to react according to that. And therefore, so I learned this and I learned how to cope with more and more and and and therefore to be able to to help other people as well. So yes, it fulfills. It's a fulfillment. It's a big fulfillment. A big fulfillment and I'm very very happy about it. Beautiful. Beautiful. I thank you so much for coming. It was an extreme pleasure to to listen to the words of wisdom. Thank you from you and we'll what we'll do is we'll put your contact contact information everything so if people want to get in touch with you they can get in touch with you and thank you very much. What what's a message that you have for the people who are listening? A short message. A short me message is to be be open-minded. If you have a problem, don't don't let it stay. You have to speak it [Music] out. That's the the end of the take upon yourself a good thing to be. So go and speak to somebody. Speak it out so it gets out of your system, out of your body, and then you'll feel better. I love it. Thank you very Thank you very much. You're excellent.