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hello everybody welcome to another
episode of the shabbat show it's great
to be back with you again
it's amazing how quickly time is going
just yesterday
we were in the winter before that we
were starting the show in the first
place
it's amazing as we head into the spring
we're right now
up against the third if you will i know
the jewish calendar but in the in the in
the academic calendar
the third of the regula the third of the
holidays
special festivals that take place
throughout the year
we're up against the holiday of shavuot
and it's just an honor to be able to
celebrate these holidays with you to
celebrate these moments with you
having you with us enables us to
deal with what goes on every day and to
be able to prepare ourselves properly
for what's in front of us
so thank you so much for tuning in for a
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um before we really continue the show
there's a lot going on in the world but
particularly in israel
i believe as of the beginning of the
show israel has already endured
i think over 1600 rockets
since the beginning of this week and
it's an incredible incredible difficult
time as people are
constantly under threat and so i want to
just begin by
uh wishing and praying for the health
and the security of all those that are
under attack
and may we see the end of conflict in
the end of war and everybody just have
peace the way it is really supposed to
be
and our hearts and our prayers are with
our brothers and sisters in the holy
land
you know this week we have this
incredible holiday
now shavuot is really a little bit
less well known than passover than yom
kippur
but it's actually one of the most
important days not only in our calendar
but in our history
this was the day in which the jews
surrounded
mount sinai and god gave the jews the
torah
to explain to understand the impact of
this
day that it had on the world
the largest religions most of the people
in the world that are of faith
are a faith building on the framework of
this day
and we are celebrating it right now we
are
reconnecting it to it right now and
what's so important is that we never
look back and think for one second
that something that happened in our
history is historical
and only historical we're not a
commemorative religion
we don't have holidays to remember what
happened in the past because it was in
the past
we have holidays because the
spirituality of the event
that manifested maybe once in history
still is applicable today
and so sunday night there is a
revelation if you will of mount sinai
taking place
in the spirituality of the day in my
life and in your life
which means now we stand at a time we
can reconnect ourselves
to our traditions to out to the
spirituality
to god's light to torah to wisdom in a
way
that is available to us on sunday night
on the holiday of shavuot
in a way that it isn't any other time of
the year at this level
and so wherever you are whatever your
background is
whatever your connection is whatever
your your your education is
we have the ability to connect in a way
that we wouldn't otherwise we can plug
into something
incredibly special but what's also so
powerful
is this idea of what took place
and how god chose to reveal himself
i remember my first time ever
encountering what is called a discovery
seminar if you've never been to a
discovery seminar
you're missing out i remember being in
uh in my year in israel at my gap year
it was post high school
and i'm the head of my school took us
down
i went to a school that was in the old
city of jerusalem and it was yeshiva
and we studied talmud but still the
rabbi felt that it was important for us
to
if you will get the basics so he walked
us down
the road to ashatora's building
and in there we met speakers that we
never heard of before
and we started to hear things that we
never heard of before i went i had a
yeshiva background i went to jewish
school my whole life but i never
understood
this concept of national revelation i
sort of took it for granted
it's not just that god gave us the torah
it's
how he gave us the torah and why he
chose to do it in a specific way and
why that is relevant today
that's what the show's about it's not
about history
we're the jewish people way too busy for
history it's about the here and now
it's about the impact of that day and
why
that day that we're celebrating is
actually
invaluable and relevant to me
and to you right now we've got a great
show because we've got incredible guests
we've got our identity mechanics on with
us we have rebellio bergstein's with us
we have already similar barnett
these are superstars that have been
teaching and inspiring and educating
for decades we've got cahoots back we've
got great videos
we've got a great show with you stick
with us to the end i'm
sure you're gonna benefit for what we
have in store with you right now
let's begin with a video from h.com
check this out
a singular unparalleled event
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a mystical document revealed
transforming the fabric of humanity
empowering a small nation to spearhead a
[Music]
revolution
and transmit the source of illuminating
wisdom
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it was a day that shook the world
whose reverberations are still felt to
this very day
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that day was when the jewish people
stood at mount sinai
and received the torah
discover what all the talk is about
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thankage.com for all their incredible
videos
in particular these uh our first guest
has taught thousands tens of thousands
of jews from
across all spectrums in the discovery
seminar as a senior lecturer his name is
by danny daniel mechanic he taught
celebrity discoveries which nota with
notables
such as kirk douglas and jason alexander
and then
started project khazone teaching this
material about
faith and belief for the last 15 years
to religious high school students around
the country
before a rabbi gets on i gotta tell you
when i was
a young man i remember once going to a
convention called ajop
those remember what that is and i was
just starting to
uh connect in in deeper ways and i
stumbled upon
a lecture from by danny mechanic and i
remember sitting going like
whoa like i never heard this and this
guy is
off the charts and he really
inspired me personally and inspired so
many others it is an honor to have
a mechanic on the show rabbi thanks so
much for joining us hey charlie how are
you
it's great to have you on and we thank
you so much for what you do
you know you've been you've been
teaching these classes on this
amazing discovery seminar right
discovery seminar is a seminar that i
saw that really
shares some of the principles of judaism
in a way that i don't think most people
understand
one of the topics is the holiday coming
up it's the national revelation
can you speak to a little bit about that
particular class that you give and maybe
sort of take us through why national
revolution is such an important thing
for us to stop and appreciate
natural revelation is it's really the
foundation
of judaism it really is and
i remember when i started teaching for
discovery
and also wherever i go whether i met
with
these hollywood stars that we met with
or whether we met with
uh all types of jews across the country
their number one question always was
and always is okay so you believe in
moses
they believe in jesus they believe in
muhammad what's the difference
what's the difference and the truth is
there is a profound
fundamental categorical difference
between the claim that the jewish people
made and every other religion in the
world
a fundamental difference they say there
are about fifteen
recorded religions in history since
abraham since abraham
and what's fascinating is that 14 999 of
them
are pretty much the same beginning and
then there's judaism which is utterly
unique
and i'll explain you know i was invited
to princeton university
many many years ago they were having a
debate between the
the mormons and the harry krishna and
the muslims and
the christians and jews
and if they they all spoke before me and
then i got up there
and they said to me you're just like the
other four there is no difference
but the truth is that there is and that
fundamental difference
and that is what shabbat is all about is
what we
are claiming in our torah of national
revelation
now what does that mean what that means
is
i'll read i'll read the verses very
quickly
in the torah it says in
in exodus chapter 19
it says on the third day
i'm translated from the hebrew god came
down
in front of the entire
nation and the next verse says
in the entire nation the word um is the
word that is used in the torah
and the entire nation was shaking from
this event
and the next verse in in uh in this
chapter 19 uh starting with verse 10
it says and moshe took the entire nation
to hear hashem give the torah
so it's all about nation yeah see when i
asked
in princeton you know how do you think
judaism started they said just like all
the other religions where god comes to
one person
you know why that is i
i think it's because most people know
about the story from
the ten commandments not from the bible
exactly
they're like what do you mean charlie
heston got the torah i'm like really is
that how it worked
and then that in that movie cecil b
demille made the greatest mistake in the
history of mankind
right because in that movie he has god
giving the torah to moses
when nothing could be further from the
truth yeah
because god gave it to three it's
approximately three million people
yeah that is our claim so fourteen
thousand nine hundred ninety nine
religions claim is
the lord appeared to me any witnesses
no the lord said i'm the messiah the
lord
said you should give me all your money
you know
no witnesses they're all based on faith
they're based on they're really a myth
they're by definition
unverifiable but judaism is
qualitatively different it's an
historical event
now what is the difference i tell you
this
you know yesterday i was in my car and
my key part fell off my head
onto the seat of the car are you ready
to bet for you know half a billion
dollars that that happened no
will you ever know for sure whether
mikey pop fell off and no
but if there were a hundred thousand
people surrounding my car and they said
we saw
robin mechanic's beautiful kippah fall
off his head
and especially if for some reason mikey
pop fell off my head to have to change
their lives in 613 ways
believe me you can know that that story
is true yeah you know this always
reminds me of
my grandparents they should uh they
should have elevated souls
my grandparents were scared
of very few things after the holocaust
let me tell you
what they feared the most because they
feared
that people would forget the holocaust
and i said to them it's impossible
you have so many eyewitnesses it wasn't
just a family in the corner
there's no and they said you'll watch
the
the fact that it was revealed in public
means it's in
no one's disputing it but
you have to remember that and as you get
further from the event
it's easy to forget that there are
events in time that are
impossible to fabricate because too many
people
experience the same event forever to
have worked
out that someone's like no we made that
up and pass it down to their children
right so for example i don't believe
that there was a civil war
i don't believe that abraham lincoln
existed he was the president of the
united states
this is something that i know this is an
historical event i would bet my life on
it if god
that i had to right even i wasn't there
even though there were no witnesses
today
yeah that is what history is and that is
the difference
between judaism and everything else and
that's why we are charlie we are not a
religion
yeah a religion is based on an emotional
desire to believe in someone
and you follow that we are what's called
in hebrew a messora misora which means a
historical
event fascinating and i got to tell you
a story because
i remember hearings for the first time
and then if you remember i
i spent a little time in discovery i've
had conversations
before and i you know i i spend a lot of
my life as a lawyer
so i have conversations with lots and
lots and lots and lots of lawyers
which is a whole different show into
itself but i remember
having this conversation with lawyers
and them and asking them
like tell me if you had to defend this
which side would you go
and they watching them wrap their head
from an evidentiary perspective
of the claim of a group of people
witnessing something and going in your
life
did you ever defend anybody that made a
claim
that over a hundred people saw and
they just couldn't wrap around how that
would
not be evidentiary enough for someone to
go that's exactly true
and it's a tremendous thing that god did
for us because like you said it drew
a line back to something that was
categorically different than everything
else i'll tell you one more thing that
go up with
and you use the word evidentiary that is
the fundamental difference
what we believe in and the mitzvoth that
we keep and the torah that we believe in
and that we know that is true it is
based on evidence it's evidential
it's based on evidence like any historic
what evidence do i have that abraham
lincoln existed or that there was a
civil war
the millions of people experienced it
and passed it on but the beginning
and the founding moment of all religions
it is not historical in nature and
therefore by definition
they are unverifiable look what
let me look what god did god was there
on mount sinai you know this event
happened three thousand
three hundred it's gonna be now 334
years ago
i don't even remember what i did with my
grandchildren last week you know
did i go to the equi did i torture
myself and go to the aquarium or did i
torture myself go to the bronx zoo
i don't remember that was a week ago you
know what i mean yeah
just to connect to an event 3 300 years
ago
hashem knew how and he gave us a way
that no religion and culture in the
world has
none and it's called the passover seder
and i'm going to tell you a very quick
story 30 seconds when i was four years
old
which was a long time ago over 50 years
ago we'll say
i was at a seder with my entire family
and i was at some point in the seder i
was left alone in the room with my 92
year old zadie
grandfather he was a hasidic jew and he
came over to me there was no one else in
the room i was busy stealing the alfie
komen
you know and he grabbed my hand and what
my grandfather said to me
in 1964 my i was four years old
my grandfather grabbed my hand and in
yiddish he said to me
daniel daniel don't ever forget
god hashem took us out of mitzrayim
and gave us a torah and when i was four
years old in 1876
my zadie from 1793 did the same thing to
me
three seders mechanic me i'm in 1793.
and when that zadie was four years old
in 1704
his 80 my third great grandfather from
did the same thing amazing and you go
back you know how many it is charlie
about 40.
about what are you what are you 40 40 40
connections until you get back to the
event
correct what's 40 nothing incredible
so every one of us we were at a seder
and we were three years old with either
an elderly grandfather grandmother aunt
uncle or an old haggadah
telling us this information and that's
why
it's like god stood on mount sinai and
threw a rope all the way across 3 400
years and we're
all holding on to it and that's just
pear server we didn't even talk about
sukkot right or the mezuzahs or the
trillion or everything else
because this is the greatest event in
history an historical event
and that's why the christians and the
muslims don't deny it
why don't the arabs just get up in the
u.n and say listen jews
this is not your land well why do you
think it's your land and we'll say it's
in the bible
and they'll say the bible so why there's
some
who wrote that they know it's god wow
rabbi thank you so much incredible
incredible perspective and we thank you
for what you do
for the jewish people and shining your
light on this world thank you thank you
take care charlie
thank you that was our mechanic
incredible and it's such an incredible
point to think about
what we're celebrating we're celebrating
this amazing moment in history
that allows us to go to a religion with
an evidentiary claim
just think that put that in your mind as
we go through the show a
national event millions of people how do
you make that up it passes down through
a very specific way
it's not faith we're not based on faith
we're based on evidence check out this
amazing video
from laurie palatnik okay
well the great holiday is coming up
and you're thinking wait a minute which
holiday is at this time of year
this is the big one
it's the holiday where we commemorate
and we remember
and we celebrate the receiving of the
torah when the jewish people are at
mount sinai and we receive that torah
what's so great about it it's just
historic
we learned so much
i'm going to teach you one thing one
idea
because sometimes we're what we receive
the torah a bunch of do's and don'ts
yikes i was meeting with somebody the
other day
and he told me that he was raised with
no boundaries
that his parents i guess were
free-spirited and there were no
boundaries
he's very entrepreneurial and he created
a
company and he said that he created a
company with no boundaries
he said people could come in in shorts
and tank tops or people could come in
wearing suits
people could start at eight and leave at
two
and people could start at 12 and leave
at 6.
no boundaries he thought they'll still
be great everybody will be happy
he said he realized everybody's not
happy
and we're not so productive so somebody
suggested to him
to write a manual write a manual
for employees an employee manual where
it was very clear
the hours dress code
etc so he said he did that he had a
manual made and he distributed it
and he said he thought people would be
like what you're telling me what to do
he said people were so much happier
because now they knew where the lines
were now they knew
what was expected of them now there was
a sense of consistency now it wasn't
just a free-for-all
now there were boundaries and they were
happier
and he said they also became more
productive so i explained to him
that shavuot is coming and we remember
that god gave us the torah
and in the torah there were boundaries
just like you created an employee
manual the almighty put us into this
world
and gave us a manual he said this is how
you're going to be
the happiest this is how you're going to
be the most productive
this is going to bring out your
potential
so when you're thinking about the do's
and the don'ts and all the rules
remember my friend who created this
company
and the boundaries made people happier
and it brought out the best in them
have a good yanteff i'm laurie almost
live
thank you lori for that message i had
the opportunity earlier this week to
catch up with a very special individual
who's been part of the show from the
beginning his name is everybody simple
barnett
he's the educational director of project
inspire a long time age rabbi
but had a prior phase to his life
graduated from dartmouth college where
he played
on the tennis team and began his career
in investment baking on a trip around
the world between jobs he was
reintroduced to judaism in jerusalem
when he took the discovery seminar i had
a chance to catch up with barnett about
what that did to him
and the impact that it had on his life
and the lessons he learned check out
this interview
so the way you grew up give us a little
bit about your your history
and how much did you know about this
upcoming holiday how much did you know
about you know mount sinai and the
giving of the torah
you know i grew up on long island and i
was i was uh went to reform hebrew
school
and like pretty much everybody i i knew
we knew absolutely nothing
about chivos and you know we will
be called it but we didn't know anything
about it and
i had a theory the reason is because
hebrew school's over and if hebrew
school's over
that's it there's no more judaism
school's over and really the only
place my contemporaries and i knew
anything about sinai
was the movie the ten commandments you
know that's where we got our torah from
there you know they get it all wrong
they basically have moses
giving the tour of the jewish people not
god so i didn't know anything about
the traditional claim of revelation at
sinai it was a
eye-opening experience to me and i went
to dartmouth college and i
played tennis went to lehman brothers in
it finally i ended up
by in the old city i bumped into this
amazing program
discovery which one of the main segments
is this uh
this area of evidence that you're
talking about tonight
it's amazing that you know i i
experience
many times when people say to me wait
what are you talking about you know god
gave the tour to moses i'm like no he
didn't
this concept of national revelation
right the idea that
the divine presence revealed itself to
an entire nation of people so
take us through the first time you heard
that and your reaction
you realize it's a claim that could not
have been made unless it was true
i mean because it was historical in
nature and no one ever pointed that out
before
in other words if you take the
supernatural part out of it right
it's based on history like any other
historical claim
like civil war like uh that george
washington was president there were
millions of eyewitnesses that's the
basis of the claim so
it's a totally different claim than
someone appearing to god whether it was
john smith
saying you know i got the tablets or
whether it was muhammad
saying i went up on a horse up in heaven
it's
it's i would call it you know you're a
lawyer evidentiary
it provides evidence and there's all the
other claims they don't provide evidence
at all
they don't even report report provide
evidence
basically say trust me believe in me
so it's like it's categorically
a different claim it's on a different
level of credibility and as you sit with
it
you realize if such a groundbreaking
thing did happen
you can imagine why history right away
imagine why
it wouldn't be questioned and why all
the nations of the world the time
christians the muslims everybody going
forward built themselves on judaism in
other words
they changed everything else why didn't
they change this right you know what the
obvious the obvious answer i think is
because they couldn't
i mean this was just this was just
historical fact
so what's interesting and i'll tell you
my experience and you can show your
experience is that
you know i grew up in a in a much more
traditional religious home i never even
it never even dawned on me that this
happened and i never even thought about
it
meaning i didn't think about national
evolution because
i don't know it's the torah it's true i
i never i never had a moment
in my upbringing regardless if i was
like you know good with the abs
with the commandments i wasn't always
like you know perfect with you know
doing this or not doing that i can't say
i was
but when it came to like what the book
was i was like yeah of course
now from your experience though you were
you were a lot different you were much
more skeptical share this a little bit
about
that approach because it's so important
that people understand that matter where
you hold
in this spectrum of like totally
accepted or totally skeptical
there's a place for you yeah i mean
first of all i
that's that's the difference between a
kid growing up
and experiencing anything amazing and
then an adult experiencing something
amazing for the first time
you see it as an adult with all your
your psycho your wisdom
your maturity and you want to dig deep
into it
but it's interesting the kid if if his
parents tell him truth
right and he takes it as such that's a
beautiful thing
i mean that's not a negative thing but
when you're able
as an adult what i think the beauty of
what about truth is about is you can dig
a little bit deeper
maybe you're like yourself and other
people who grew up with it
you know really to to ground yourself
very strongly that
you know you're not going to bend is
when you can see it really deeply the
logic of it
the you know it but jacob weinberg you
know he
uh listened to a tape running to the
eiffel
tower after i left israel back and forth
i didn't even see the actual power i'm
listening to this tape
and a reasonable person believed god
spoken outside
and he was just giving over such a
insightful comments
about we're talking about before and he
said this this claim is so
extraordinary and if you're god
this is the one you're going with you're
not going to go with a less good claim
you're not going to go to muhammad when
no one can verify
we're going with this claim but he would
go further and say you'll you know from
that
that all the other revelation stories
their lies
you know and when i thought about that
philosophically it blew me away
and it really he he ended up saying you
know who was the first person who gave
this proof over to the jewish people
first person was moses
deuteronomy he says no people will ever
make this claim and live right how could
he be so sure
right right if he faked it so to speak
how could
he be so sure someone else wouldn't come
on because he was saying
this is one claim this is one claim my
friends
you can't make unless it's true it's
powerful the more you sit with it
the more you think about how it could be
false that's kind of what we did
how could it be false we thought about
it like that let me realize hey that
doesn't make sense that doesn't make
sense
and then you realize you know what this
is history
and you should be proud of that you feel
really people should be grounded you
just feel
hey stand on something rock solid
awesome thank you rabbi it's really
really a pleasure and thank you
thank you all the best thank you we
thank
robert barnett for his words as well uh
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to wish you a shabbat shalom it means a
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ken winkler shabbat shalom to you as
well and thanks so much and please feel
free
oh i got one more here as we're doing
this from joan cody shabbat shalom
to everybody okay everybody let's get
going on kahoot let's get started
first question
special edition
here goes how many years after creation
was the torah given on sinai
after creation how long did it take for
god to give us the torah 1800
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did god give us the torah shabbat shalom
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thirty three thirteen or five seven
eight one how many years did god give
his turf to create the world
answer is very good two four four eight
excellent let's see oh jews on top
that's always a good sign
emma gibbs rachel s kahoot is back
we appreciate the fandom okay here goes
here goes where is mount sinai located
18 kilometers from jerusalem near masada
off the shore of a lot mount sinai
isn't in israel where is mount sinai
is it 18 kilometers from jerusalem
i guess most of america don't know how
far that is because it's in kilometers
we probably need some kind of translator
there near masada
a lot or it's not even in israel in the
first place
two seconds left for question number two
answer is it's not in
israel at all it was in the sinai desert
they were still remember they were
walking around the desert for 40 years
that's where they got it jews drop ema
pops up
rachel s gibbs kahoot is back and the
edison adlers
are climbing the board let's go to
question number three
when was the oral torah given to the
jewish people at the same time as the
written torah
at the inauguration of the first temple
it was developed over time and given to
the early european jews
where no one knows i like the breath of
this these
answers okay you know gets it from every
way what was the oral tour given
same time as the written torah first
temple
over time to the european slash
ashkenazi jews
or nobody knows three seconds left third
question of kahoot answer is
very good same time as the rentor what
happened was given at the same time it
just
passed over orally rachel s climbs over
ima
kahoot is bad still on the board as
analysis that ajd is a new entrant
okay last lap here goes
which statement about israel is true
israel has the largest water supply
television is the wealthiest per capita
city in the world
israel has the highest speed limit on
highways in the world
it opened its first underwater museum do
you know the breadth of knowledge you
need
to compete in kahoot it's like jeopardy
it's unbelievable we just took you from
like years from
the creation of the world to some facts
about israel that no one would know
two seconds left answer is
first underwater museum
let's see what that did to the
leaderboard the winner is third place
rachel s a regular here
ajd continues and the number
one first place for tonight's the edison
adler's climbed to the top
just letting you know the edison adlers
weren't even on the board on the first
round
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we're still mourning the loss of what
took place in iran
israel's had a a little bit of a roller
coaster a couple of weeks
um and we feel for them and if we feel
for us we're one people one nation
and um but we don't forget mero and
here's a beautiful video
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that we experienced in our own
check this out
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my son my right hand i see that you're
trying so hard
and the battles you fought are the ones
that set you
apart
i can't wait to greet you after
all these years
but i know you'll do the most good if
you stay over there
my father
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i'd like to see you but i know it's not
the time
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oh father dear can you please just send
me a sign
on carry on
even when you're lost
i haven't gone
take an extra look around you
when you feel my presence there
carry on
[Music]
my father please listen i feel like i've
done
it again
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i've continued to fight for a mission
but it's done
when i look around me all i see is
my son won't you listen i promise you've
done
it all right
because of the battles you've lost we've
won the big fight
the war is over and now we're all coming
home
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i hope that then you'll know you were
never alone
i have been
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carry on
take an extra look around
carry on
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carry on
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even
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there carry on
carry on
take an extra look around you
and you'll feel my presence
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carry
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wow
such a true statement take an extra look
around you
and you realize i was always there carry
on
you know when you have holidays like
this it reminds us that he's always
there
thank you so much for playing that to
the project inspire crew that found it
and for the guys who made this up
really really powerful this is what this
holiday is all about
this is what this holiday is all about
take an extra look around you
look back in history and god reveals
himself because he wants us to always
remember that he's there
for all the generations we'll never
forget these this is what the holiday is
for
this is why we do it it reminds us
that you're never alone that even though
you may lose a battle you'll win the war
our next guest is a is formerly yeshua
elementary school teacher and a computer
programmer in the financial industry
he's presented to hundreds of discovery
programs and other educational
presentations over the last 40 plus
years
really is a it's an honor to have el
yahoo bergstein on
uh rabbi thank you so much for joining
us on the show today
hi thanks charlie for having me on the
show appreciate
it very much it's great to see you and
to have you rabbi
like i said earlier for those who don't
know i i'm a big fan although
this is like the all-star weekend over
here and all the our stars are
are we get to come off and just i can
personally thank you for all the
inspiration you've given me
and if you remember when i was young you
i would speak with you on discovery if
you remember those days i remember
the pointers and you helped me out so
it's i thank you
for the upcoming star which you became
god's help well thank you all right so
so you've been teaching discovery
for for so many years national
revelation and and what's
what's fascinating about you in
particular
about everybody but i want to just drill
this point down
is the breadth of the people both
yourself
and your background and the amount of
people
of denominations that you've experienced
in
engaging in this information right when
you have information you teach it to one
group of people
isn't there there's a reaction but
throughout your years i'm sure you've
taught this to
so many different types
share with us if you can some of the
stories or the ideas that
that you gleaned from when you were
teaching this concept of national
revolution this idea of what we're
celebrating and what
the impact that it had on others well as
as far as the diversity of the audiences
we're talking literally from satmar
to reformed temples in texas and
everything in between
everybody's jews everybody's listening
everybody's interested
uh impact-wise
everything has an impact sometimes it's
immediate sometimes it's later i
mentioned
reform temples in texas
actually there was a rabbi in texas who
brought in discovery three times
and in the end he left his congregation
to go
study and become more involved in
yiddishkeit
in judaism himself the discovery program
he brought to actually
make his congregants interested got he
himself
gigantically interested i'll tell you
this
over the years going to many places i
kept the diary of the first 100.
yeah at first 100 discoveries including
when they sent me to some place in
illinois and it was zero degrees and
there was no heat in the hotel
it was a different different experience
different time it was a different time
yeah but when you do a discovery
presentation or specifically national
revelation
which is as danny mechanic explained and
as
somehow ned explained just unbelievably
powerful to the extent that when i used
to do
presentations and still do i'm
each time myself the evidence and what
we're saying gets deeper and deeper into
me
i have found though over the course of
many years
that the best candidates who understand
it best are not people who are
immediately bowled over
actually somebody who goes to a
discovery seminar or
goes to this particular national
revelation class
and has questions and thinks it over
and analyzes what you're saying and asks
things that maybe this contradicts it
could moses have made a big
thunderstorm and gotten away with it
which i'll usually answer something like
if that's the case
anybody could make another thunderstorm
and get away with it
um the best usually is the people who
are
to an extent confrontational because
that means they understand there's
something here
and if it's real then i maybe have to
realign my life a little in my thoughts
and my actions
so they're really working on it and
many times after a whole presentation
they'll talk after the class and
everything
sometimes i don't know what the
follow-up is or what happened sometimes
i do sometimes not
i'll give you one case where i really
realized what it what it really is
i was for rosh hashanah and philadelphia
it's actually in h
philly and russia's on the night where i
ate
there was a couple there over there
and they i don't know them i don't
remember them anyway
and they said to me ryan braxton you
don't remember us 13 years ago
we heard the discovery program
specifically to mention national
revelation
and we asked you a question then and we
thought about it we went home and we
didn't turn over our lives exactly right
away
in the course of time we realize what
this is
and that's why we're sitting here rosh
hashanah night why afterwards my wife
says to me you see why you're going
you see that's it you're stuck this is
why you're going
right all right so i found that that it
takes sometimes time
there was an optometrist in queens who
years later i met and he said to me he's
studying
now he still is an optometrist but he's
studying a lot of torah full-time
and the catalyst was the discovery
program
where he examined that evidence and he
said it's real
his good parts of his life stayed he's
still an optometrist
still had nice family everything fine
but he added
that element which was not there before
which
probably was there by his
great-grandparents but that little
connection got
snapped you know it's interesting what
you're saying and i want to make sure
that i can sort of
pause on it because i want i want
everyone to hear it because i'm now
re-assessing it which is
when you think through what we're going
to celebrate
national revelation only time in history
anyone's ever reported as such
it's an incredible thing even if you say
okay i i no that's too quick
it's too quick you know even if you're
like that makes sense
no no i don't know if you think it makes
sense too quickly it's too quick
you have to let that sit
for a second that what we are
celebrating
is a historical event that never
happened pre
or post or was ever claimed to have
happened
that is cataclysmic
and just allowing your brain to go
that's impossible
what if like what if moses would have
made it up what if he convinced it what
if he didn't know
just allowing your brain to fight it and
realize how's that possible it's three
million people that allows the
the the the the incredibleness
of that moment deepen into your heart
and then that makes you recognize how
powerful it is
right i found that especially important
for college students because we did a
whole bunch of
uh discoveries over the years in
different colleges
college students because they don't have
yet a life set up they're still students
it's not like they're 40 years old with
a wife and a husband and children and
this and that where
changes in life uh are
difficult and harder to do they can
change instantly so you get a student
come on over after the class
that he wants to change his whole life i
would often tell him yeah very good very
good but
let's do this slowly i want you to think
about it and in fact i used to say at
college discovery specifically please
don't accept what i'm saying right i
want you to go home
and think about it i want you to ask
questions i want you to
i use personally a particular analogy
that i developed with benjamin franklin
at 1776
and god's voice coming down and saying
king george of england has now been
replaced by the united states of america
and you're out of england's control
and that couldn't have happened because
you wouldn't need berkstein today to
tell you if that really happened because
we'd all know about it and there'd be a
whole holiday about it
i used that particular analogy in my
classes each teacher likes to use
different analogies
yeah um but the idea is the analogies
are all just to get this
fact to sink in and
the resistance many times is something
like somebody would say to me
you know what you're saying makes sense
i don't know the
commitment and the implications are
overwhelming
that's the bias yeah but i said don't
get overwhelmed you know
just listen to it right i remember once
i was having a conversation with someone
about it and
you know just talking across the table a
bunch of lawyers because i spent a lot
of my time you know law firms talking
and one guy turned and said it's
impossible like come on
like it was so long ago moses i am
sure made it up and told everybody and
they took his word for it
i'll never forget like everybody was
quiet and a guy turned and goes wait
a bunch of jews took someone else's word
for it i'm like do you know our people
like we don't
we don't roll have you ever seen jews be
like oh that happened sure i believe you
you know i'm saying like
gold in the air once said like she's the
prime minister of five minute prime
ministers you know i'm saying like you
know
the idea that the jewish nation just
like took it on the chin
and oh and by the way now that he it
happened all the stuff you got to do
including a bris mila like it doesn't
work that way like
we're not the people that just accept
right
but that idea that you're saying is so
critical
um to allow to look at it like as if you
were on the jury
not from a place of faith to not say oh
i believe that
to look at it and go hey i have to
examine that
and to allow what god did in his
revelation to be
worthy of your mind's time so that you
can
fight the evidence so when you see that
he did it
on purpose for it to go from faith to
evidence
he could have just given it to moses and
then would have been on faith
he took he he gave it to everyone for it
to transfer
that means that we have to transfer in
our own minds
and say i got to take my head from i
believe it happened to i gotta actually
think about it that's a tremendous
i think worthy activity for the holiday
regardless of your background sit around
the table and like discuss it with your
family and go
do you realize what that means like how
does that get made up
and what that implica just allowing
that to to permeate is will be even more
impactful than just hearing it and
saying you're right right schmooze
especially
because it's the anniversary and judaism
actually
views history not as linear
but sort of as a cyclical nobody knows
what a record is anymore today because
they have usbs
but every year when we come around to
chevous
it's again the day it's the day it
didn't it's not just it happened 3 300
years ago
it's the day that is a day you can
actually connect on that day you connect
any day
hayoi male 1 but that's a real
connecting day
it's hard in a small amount of time to
actually
um articulate
the power of this anybody who didn't see
it
should see it and and and should
experience it yeah and then
work on thinking about it and
challenging it
and i think all the kinks and all the
wrinkles come out
very good rabbi thank you so much for
what you do for all the inspiration you
bring to the world and
wish you a happy holidays good yant if
and we look forward to
you and you should have success and the
whole audience appreciates it
amen thank you very much thank you
pleasure thank you and that was uh
bergstein
an incredible individual and i remember
watching him do this and he's 100 right
for those that are
watching this and have never seen
discovery or you know
people that would really benefit from an
evidentiary approach towards judaism
go to projectinspired.com and look for
more information on how to get one
uh either it's i don't know if it's
online or someone a live one but they'll
give you the information
for include i want to give a couple more
shabbat shaloms to elephant alpine new
jersey
shabbat shalom there's some word that
just for those who are the kahoot fans
that ema and rachel are mother and
daughter so there's a real
there's a huge you know racket going
over here with kahoot so congratulations
both of them
um and we wish shabbat shalom is anyone
else the diamond family from
lake with shabbat shalom to you i hope i
got everybody the kirsner family from
toronto shabbat shalom to you i think i
got one more shabbat shalom over here
um to to read a reuben from upstate new
york shabbat shalom to you i think i get
everybody if i miss everybody i'm sorry
but i want to sort of close with this
concept
that really i think came out you know
we have to be proud of who we are but
but not proud like
you know it sort of makes sense
proud like i know who i am
i know my history i know my people
i know where i come from i'm proud of
who i am
i come from wherever i come from
and you come from wherever you come from
and some of you come from europe
or from the middle east or from russia
you should be proud of that
and you're proud of your heritage and
proud of your lineage
and proud of your parents and
grandparents and great grandparents
that's part of being a human being
but what we also need to be proud of is
where we come from as
as a people and we
really come from this holiday
we come from mount sinai we come from
egypt
but we come from mount sinai and we
if you never grew up with it you may not
think about it if you did grow up with
it you may sort of
zip through that when you were a kid but
we shouldn't we shouldn't
we should stop for a minute and think
about it
and talk with our family about it and
our friends about it like wait a second
guys
like wait a second our people began
with a historical event that was never
even claimed
never even claimed again in any
major way ever there is no record of a
religion saying
we experience natural revelation and
lived
every other everyone else says i was
here and i experienced the revelation
we come from a place that the majority
of the world says was true
we come from a moment of revelation and
like rabbi mechanic says we're
40 generations from that 40
grandparent to grandchild
we come from a moment in history that
was cataclysmic
and we were there so to speak
if we just gloss over it we lose the
impact on our hearts if we just goes
over it our kids don't
see the truth permeating through our
voices
if we just close over it it takes away
from
the value we give the rest of it we only
know about shabbat because of mount
sinai
we only have shabbat because of mount
sinai
the christian of the world is what
shabbat represents is connected
and in fact according to some opinions
mount sinai took place
on shabbat
this is an important moment for us that
i don't want to lose
the power of pride
the slowness of digesting an event
that balance that bounded us
you know the reason why we can have a
show and i can read about
alabama and toronto and vegas and boca
raton and upstate new york and
it's one group of people is because
we're bound by help by mount sinai
the reason why our our hearts couldn't
be opened from their own
our hearts can feel the pain of ashkelon
or
jerusalem or tel aviv is because we're
bounded by mount sinai
the reason why we're sitting here after
2000 years of exile is because of mount
sinai
that was a day in our lives that we have
to digest
this is the holiday to digest it
and i want to give it all of us a
challenge
take a moment over these next depending
on your level of observance
take a moment over these next few days
on the holiday
and talk about it with someone have a
conversation about it digest it
appreciate it let it get into your heart
what that must have been like to be at
the mountain
what that must be like to be the
generations afterwards
what it must be like to be 40 people
from that
moment watch the pride swell up
and so on behalf of me and mine tune
yourself shabbat shalom
this should be a shabbat of pride and
wisdom i hope and pray that next week we
get to see you in jerusalem but if not
hope to see you right here shabbat
shalom
happy holidays and i hope that we get to
see a time where we get to come together
again but until now but until then
have an incredible incredible holiday
from all of us in project inspire
shabbat shalom
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in every generation they take one
raising the haters then the hit the
pavement blazing the savings to the
world
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know
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wow
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