The Shabbat Show - Israel's Spies: Deep Secrets Revealed

[Music] all already welcome to another episode of the Shabbat show such an honor to be with you again it's amazing how quickly these weeks are flying by great to be with you on another episode we're getting into the world of summer for those who had the opportunity um last week of course to celebrate shabot happy holidays we're entering into the summertime right now and what's happening just sort of around the world is still in our eyes and still in our sights as you know um thank God tonight uh Israel announced that it's reaching a ceasefire with um with Kamas and for those who have been watching it closely for those whose hearts are very much uh in the West even though they find themselves in the East or say in the East even though they find themselves in the west uh we've been watching closely to what we've been seeing as this incredible week has gone on with the Israeli Army doing everything they can to protect the citizens and so much of what we see really is only a piece of the story so much of what we see on the news or we hear about uh bombing here going here knocking this down is just sort of one piece of a larger story tonight we're going to sort of widen the lens a little bit and speak about some of the he hidden Heroes uh of Israel of the Jewish people uh Commandos and Spies of course the show is dedicated uh once again as a program of the Carl Enoch uh Goldman Center for Jewish values dedicated by Jay Gman thank you Jay for your constant support for our program it's also dedicated as a merit for the speedy recovery of Mayor bar mayor barl benlea May H please put mayor barl benay in your prayers even maybe even now say prayer for him and or you maybe can write his name down and and say something from over Shabbat so important that we all take the time to pray for him and uh and we hope and pray that he has a speedy recovery um we are a beneficiary of daily giving.org and I encourage everybody to go to daily giving.org and become a daily Giver it's a dollar a day and they give out the money for you uh b a dollar a day it's an amazing idea amazing charity they're giving out money to over 40 organizations it's an incredible organiz check them out daily giving.org daily giving.org and uh just to really speak about what we're gonna talk about today so just for me personally just so you understand like mosad are you joking me you know what I'm saying like I have been watching the Israeli Army the mosad S matal since I was a little kid like it was like you know Sports football basketball Israeli Army the stories of inbi the stories of Amman and how they went out to find somebody that was instrumental in the destruction of my own family in the Holocaust stories of how they would smuggle Jews out of Syria stories of how they smuggled people out of the Red Sea Resort right all this you know 1981 bombing the Iraqi nuclear power plant so much of the the launch if you will of the state of Israel was nestled obviously and always with the guiding hand of Hashem who is always the reason for our success but from our grounding sort of eyes stories of Heroes really regular people regular people that did not have the the training or the knowledge but just heard the Call of Duty it's stepped up and became real real heroes and saved and protected and sacrificed and as a kid growing up I would I would know these stories I would read these stories I would know each unit I would know I would read books upon books and to do a show like this is an absolute dream for me I gotta tell you I'm like a kid in a candy store to be honest and I I have such a tremendous amount of gratitude to the project inspired team to Yi to yaku and the entire team when they told me what the show was about I was is like you got to be kidding me and I got to tell you just so you know for those that are tuning in whatever you see on these interviews is just a small sampling of a larger interview because I I just couldn't get off the the zoom with them so if you go to shabbat show.com you get to see the full interviews and it's only the beginning I could have been literally this show could have been seven hours long if I didn't have to make sure that I was not going to go out of bounds but it's a great show it's got great people uh and the reason why the show is so great is because we're interviewing hidden Heroes these are real Warriors for the Jewish people people that sacrificed their life for the state of Israel and for the entire Jewish people so I'm excited to do it we're excited to be showing it to you it's what we need to see it's what we need to see now like I said earlier when you hear about for those of you who are following and you hear about how you know the Israel said they may go into they they're going into Gaza and then they bomb the Metra which is the tunnel system that the the Hamas had been building for years to try to smuggle weapons and hurt Israelis and you're like how did they know this is all part of the work Commandos soldiers Spies all part of this incredible Army out there to protect us we've got a great film with great show with different people so I'm excited as I and I I hope that you're as excited as I am when you get to meet these great people our first guest is a man named air Abraham let me show you a quick intro video about who he is so you get a sense of who we're about to to to hear from a former mad agent and a renowned expert on Mad operations who has consulted Hollywood screenwriters and producers AER arram is the founder of spy legends.com former Massad agent avner aaham anner aaham a a introducing you to avner aaham thank you very much [Applause] [Music] he served as a consultant on the on the film and he's an enormously interesting guy and the show is largely based on his efforts one of the leading experts on operation finale in the world curated the exhibit and connected with the film's producers I spoke with the director Chris viit and he came especially in for LA to see the exhibit and they decided that we should work together anner who met many of the Mad Agents from the original Mission spent two months on the set of the movie in Buenos arees advising the filmmakers on how to make the story as authentic as [Music] possible Legends a website that allows former undercover spies exmad agents as well as experts and journalists to go public with their background details with their photos so that movie studios universities organizations synagogues they can contact these X spies for speeches or [Music] consultations as a former mosad agent adnir aam is a renowned expert on mosad operations who famously worked to reveal and publicize The Insider story of the historic 1960 capture of the Nazi war criminal adov Amman Abner is in demand for his fascinating insights into this Rich chapter in Jewish history and he's a mosad legend ad's expertise in the area of Israel spy exhibitions together with his life experience made him a world-renowned speaker in Mad operations exhibits and movies such as operation finale operation in tbbi and more he's the founder of the Spy Legend agency and we thank him for partnering with us and helping us him and his son helping us book all of these incredible speakers check out this interview that I had earlier this week with air so tell us a little bit about yourself and of course your uh your experience uh in the Israeli Army give us a little bit about your your background okay so uh I retired six years ago from Mad after 30 years wow yes and it was amazing time for me and uh today I'm um I'm Consulting spy movies in Hollywood wow and I'm also a professional curator I make a spy exhibitions thank you thank you so tell us a little bit about you know the mosad is the most especially for the Jewish World the most maybe the most fascinating thing that we all know is the mosad you don't know what it is it's this incred everybody wants to be on it like everybody wants to get the call No it's it's filled with Intrigue so share with us a little bit about what some of your experiences were in in in sort of during your work that you can share that's not classified that you could share with us I would like to share with you one of the uh big secrets of the Mad is the fact that we are the Jewish people we look different because we came from different places look at my look look at me I'm a dark skin my parents came from Iraq 71 years ago okay they came from Iraq and uh when I I grew up in a family that we spoke Hebrew and Arabic so I have a perfect Arabic now think about languages languages in the Mad are like weapons okay the fact that I can fly to let's say Arab country and I can book a room in hotel and I can say it means good morning good evening um maybe this is the big secret of the mosad and this is the story of of the Jewish people the fact that we we look different and and um yes so so I SED for 28 years in the mad if to to the rest of the world it's so mysterious uh yes we have we we always like you know I've seen the Amman movies 50 times like I've seen an like all I all we have is the movies and in the movies it's always dramatic and it's always and in this process to us it's it's shocking how you guys know everything you know what I'm saying like how does that happen that you know you're right now we're right now living at a time that we can almost assume that the mosad is very helpful in Iran we can almost assume that what's taking place in Gaza isn't because they happen to know where everything is what's the process how does it work do you do you whatever you can share I mean obviously okay so I must share with you something about Syria because unfortunately I think it was last two weeks ago the chief Rabbi of Damascus Rabbi Hamra passed away and I made an exhibition about how the Mad smuggled the Jews from uh uh from Syria and I met him I met him and I know he got family also in in in in New York M and I remember that when I made my research first of all the Mad used to smuggle smuggle the Jewish families um every Friday evening Friday evening the Syrian knew that the the Jewish Community don't do anything they stay at home so they asked them to leave everything everything you cannot take with you anything you leave the food you leave everything and you take the core of the family okay the father the mother the kids and you disappear a mad agent coming and take you okay and the they smuggled them through the uh border with the turkey okay it's a long story for for for for the next time but there is a lot of uh stories that I can I can share with you but for example if if we talk about the capture of Adolf Amman it was a love story between a half Jewish girl and Amman son she grew up in a German family her mom was a ger with the with where was a Christian but her father was half Christian and half Jew he was a holocaust Survivor wow okay now she went to a German film festival and she met a guy um and she started dating with him and he told her my name is Nicholas akman the reason is because akman escaped on 1950 he came with a fake passport by the way he got his fake passport for from the Vatican and the family joined him after two years and they decided to keep the name akman and you know that during the war Amman said we have to kill first the Jewish kids because this is the SEC the Next Generation we have to kill the kids before and he got and the fact that we could capture him was because of his son and his son decided to carry the name Amman and in the actual akman story you know the actual story that took place yes how long did it take for the for for the whole story to develop when they sent MOS when the mosad sent its agents down what were they doing H how how did it how long was that operation and usually you know Netflix it takes less than two hours so I tell you uh I'm sure you remember after September 11 that many people so in Laden every day I believe that the CIA got more than 100 messages from all over the world that someone saw Bin Laden right I think until today there is people that send a message that they saw Bin Laden walking in the street right now think about the mad thousands of information from all over the world about Nazis you cannot handle with this you cannot send agent to check all this information so our story s the love story was three years before on on 57 three years before the capture and then the father decided to send a letter to Germany to the to the Jewish prosecutor and the Jewish prosecutor Fitz B forward this to Israel and he came to Israel with this information but the mosa didn't send a real agent they asked a policeman a high rank officer that came to Argentina for a conference if he can go to the neighborhood and check the address and then he said no no way it's a poor neighborhood I don't believe Amman is there only after three years the Mad sent aroni by himself and he came with the like a camera and uh he needed to develop the picture in a regular Photoshop by the way it's very funny you know he send a spy and he cannot develop the picture and try to explain to the Young Generation what does it mean to develop picture and why we need to wait two weeks and why after two weeks H we lost all the pictures so uh so so this agent came back with the pictures of aan and the Mad May compare the shape of the ear of the left ear they took pictures from from the from the World War II and the and the new pictures that AR Ron brought with him to Israel and they found that it's the same person wow it's this is so fascinating and and I thank you so much for it and there's so much more to talk about but I want to be respectful for your time and I hope we get to stay in touch and and we get to have you back on again we thank you for your service for all these years in ways that no one will ever know and in many ways that's the highest level of service they say the highest thing that you can do is to be able to do something good for someone else and no nobody knows so much of your life are things that no one will ever really know and so we we thank you we're honored that you're on and we thank you for what you've done and what you do for the Jewish people thank you very much and Big Love from Israel thank you and I hope you get to see the full interview go to shabbat show.com to see much more um that was just sort of a small little piece of it one of the things that I I was gleaning from that interview as we were going through it is really the normaly of the work in fact if you watch the full interview uh he opens by basically explaining that whatever you think of a spy James Bond jumping out of an airplane flying shooting as he falls down tall skinny athletic the whole motorcycles it's not real right real mosad is much more a focused slow deliberate work blending and you'll see later on in some of the interviews how that plays out blending into society being able to take information in disappearing speaking a normal language that people assume that you're from there and the patience and the patience and the patience and the patience and so much of the story is that story of patience checking going down patience but but really what got me and I think we know this so what I'm going to say may sound simple but I think if we let it digest we'll realize the power of it is that spies as opposed to other heroes or other people that sacrifice they live secretive lives so they're sacrificing life and limb engaged in things that may be very boring for long periods of time alone in a in a foreign country away from family away from their networks they don't come home at the at end of the night you know kick off their shoes and you know you know relax with their with their spouse and no one knows not until the operation's over decades sometimes it's an amazing thing the akman trial was different because when they brought him back so much of the work that takes place in the mostad and other places is so is classified um and so really secretive check out this short video about Aire and his mission to tell over this iin story check this out [Music] Adolf Amman hiding in the shadows of buen Osiris under an assumed identity mman was abducted and smuggled to Israel where he became the first Nazi to be indicted by the newly formed Jewish State his charge the systematic coldblooded murder of 6 million men women and children now in a world premiere exhibition brings to life this chilling episode in operation finale it is an honor and a privilege to introduce Mr avner Abraham former mlad agent he worked as an advis on the film aaham is the curator were treated by a special guest avner aaham please welcome Lieutenant Colonel Abner aaham welcome everyone to the talk show here at the 92nd Street y this is a special event uh tonight that's honoring this show was assembled by him uh all of the documents and artifacts that became Declassified as well his own efforts like Indiana Jones searching the world for ways to tell the story and this lovely girl Sylvia Herman H she grew up in a in a Christian German family but her father was half Jew a holocaust Survivor for discovering the original documents surrounding the historic 1960 capture of Nazi war criminal Adolf ikan working on this operation for 8 years I became the world expert in this story I made a small exhibition in the mosad headquarters 8 years ago right and the Prime Minister netan asked me to come to the parliament today we have a traveling huge exhibition in the state next mad asan called avner Abraham who is the kind of world expert on the mission and who mounted the exhibition that's currently touring the world about operation finale who was there to catch us every time that we messed up uh our Hebrew lettering which we did very often I feel lucky because I feel that my mission is to tell the story of the Holocaust this is the secret because it's a spy movie but the audience learn about the Holocaust I think that no one wrote the whole story and I find every almost every week new details about uh the story but Abraham says the capture of ikan is only only one part of the Holocaust story and he feels that part of the weight of history is on his shoulders they start asking him a general question from your age the size of your shoes and immediately what is your number of the SS in the SS file and he said exactly the akman number and he he understood that he made a huge mistake and he asked for a glass of red wine a master planner of what the Nazis called the final solution their plan to eradicate Europe's Jews in Israel we didn't mention his full name in the exhibit we just say a because to use his full name make him a regular man this is one of the most important story of the Jewish people the mission is to tell the story of operation finale because the capture goes together with the trial [Music] amazing so powerful for those of you who are in any way connected to either of the stories uh but especially for those who are are descendants of Holocaust Survivors this this cuts into a much deeper place um and just so you see the worlds coming together and you'll see this again throughout the show this incredible world of uh the Jews in Nazi Germany and then just a few years later the Jews on the other side as the agents that are capturing Nazis it's so incredible you know in many ways the mosad is um it's just one part of a larger way of reaching higher of not allowing yesterday to determine tomorrow got this great song that speaks a little B about this concept of reaching for bigger things check out this wonderful song that we have for you today I'm shooting for the Moon tonight I ride the winds at the speed of light I set my goals I made my mind and if I miss I'll make it to the Stars we're going to make it to the top I'm shooting for the move tonight and if I miss I'm make it to the [Music] [Applause] [Music] Stars looking up standing on the ground me in my dreams galaxies apart but I know somewhere deep inside I've got the strength to get that far climbing on a ladder in the sky though I'm not an angel maybe I can fly pushing through still another mile all I got to do is try I'm shooting for the Moon tonight I ride the winds at the speed of light I set my goals I made my mind and if I miss I'll make it to the Stars we're going to make it to the top I'm shooting for the move tonight and if I miss I make it to the stars [Music] star sending up yet another prayer father I know you believe in me when it's rough and I'm feeling doubt you can Raise Me Up Above the Clouds I can feel the power of a dream giving me wings taking me beyond all the pain all the broken hopes going to leave it all behind I'm shooting for the Moon tonight I ride the winds at the speed of light I set my goals I made my mind and if I miss I make it to the Stars we're going to make it to the top I'm shooting for the Moon tonight and if I miss I'll make it to never going to break apart till I reach my destination never going to lose the spark in my soul going to be a shiny light I'm going to be an inspiration never giving up the fight towards my goal I'm shooting for the Moon tonight I ride the winds at the speed of light set my goals I made my mind and if I miss I'll make it to the star going to make it to the top I'm shooting for the Moon tonight and if I miss I'll make it to the star I'm shooting for the Moon tonight I ride the winds at the speed of the light I set my goals I made my mind and if I miss I'll make it too the stars and if I miss I'll make it to the Stars thank M pensy for that song and that's really very much in line with what's happening here it's really if you look through the history of the mosad the history of the Israeli Army history of the state of Israel and obviously history of the Jewish people is this idea of shooting for the Stars it's something like that I think is something that you all should think about in our own lives concept of thinking past what's possible God's with us anything's possible what we're seeing his missions and people that have extended themselves Beyond what's possible of course it's now uh Thursday night so we'd love to wish you shabbat shalom if you haven't yet please go on to our platforms you can go to my Facebook page or you can go to zoom um and just wish shat Shalom we'll get that right back to and is now time for cahoot it's 8:30 let's get cahoot going over here um for those who are going on to your computer C cud it if you don't have the app already you should get it uh type in 811 7622 811 7622 shabbat shalom to Jerry and Eileen HH and Milwaukee uh thanks so much for joining us shabbat shalom uh to Ken Winkler in Atlanta to Michael weard shabbat shalom to you in Germany shabbat shalom uh to the Novak family from Toronto shabbat shalom to the silvers and Highland Park shat Shalom for all those that are tuning in right now uh we see some of our old people joining in to cahoot please feel free to send us to shabbat shalom go to cahoot 811 7622 811 7622 we're gonna get started in just a minute to give people a chance to tap in to this week's cahoot last week I think we had who was was Rachel who was who won it last week uh I think Rachel won it last week um see some of the uh the nor the the our usuals are here so it's going to be a pretty competitive night tonight so let's get rolling let's give it 10 more seconds see Sheetz are on right now at Edison adlers are on we're gonna get ready of to row we got some serious comp wi don't know matter is back bbby R is back Patriots Rock of course off the Suzie we got some significant players that are back in the cahoot space if you're watching it's gonna be a great game um so let's get rolling uh let's go let's get cahoot on first question let's go here it goes how do you say spies in Hebrew spies mirim aim or raay how do you say spies in Hebrew spies Mir or Rai shabbat shalom 10 seconds shabbat shalom Deb laer shabbat shalom to bet zuker BR shabbat shalom from Smithtown R Adler shabbat shalom shabbat shalom two seconds left one second left to the first question the answer is mirag glim very good most people got that one right let's see how we did winning no matter on top Rachel S I think last week's winner I stand with Israel Edison aders and Bubby R guys I want to let you know be careful for Bubby R she's going to climb the leaderboard let's go next question which physical character trait of akman confirmed his identity this is good his nose his walk the scar in his left hand or his ear this is a great questions kudos to the project inspired team how did the Mad know that it was ikman his nose his walk the SCAR or his ear shabbat shalom T Ruben from upstate New York York Aaron K from Toronto shabbat shalom to you how do we know wasman this is a good question that was actually in the full interview for those who watch it the answer is his ear very good most of you his ear his left ear matched Rachel L on top when it don't matter Edison aders I stand with Israel Bubby R I'm telling you Bubby R let's keep on rolling number three how was Osama bin lden found tracked his son cell phone guantan Mo Bay detes gave him gave the Courier's name CIA agents placed audio bugs around the property or drones spotting him walking around the compet you gotta you gotta know your spy history in the show just letting you know for those that are tuning in the level of knowledge you need this is like Jeopardy to be able to compete in cahoot how in the world do they find Osama Bin Laden and the answer is Guantanamo Bay wow it stumped our leaders what is this going to do to the leaderboard let's look wow szen just climbed mem Rachel s holds on with win and no matter in Edison adlers we have Sarah Zan I said sarz Sarah Zen who is officially on fire here in cahoot okay last lap where in the Torah do we first find spies Noah sent his sons to see the evil of the generation Jacob's son scouted Egypt the Jews sent spies and Moses or Joshua s this is a tough question where do we first find spies Noah Jacob Moses or Joshua who send in spies first here here we go winner for this week is the answer is yes Moses Moses Moses Moses famous spies Tish he's turned to Tish so hopefully won't have it this year we'll be in Israel number three is the Edison adlers number two I stand with Israel and the winner of this week's cahoot goes to &em wow Eminem identifiers yourself win no matter Sarah is the n em andm is the winner of this week this is fun I don't know if you're having as much fun as c as I am having a c m&n yeah winners go to email um at info Pro inspire.com interesting on on the chat Ellie block is arguing that Joseph called his brother spies oh my gosh that's the mandans that's amazing the mandans are Eminem this is great um so congratulations guys big huge win you upset some of our leaders from the past but if you keep on watching the games will continue our next guest incredible person Romy Sherman he was born in 1953 on kibuts Bashan his parents were Holocaust Survivors he came in 1946 understand that that was a Northern Town that was getting shelled on all the time he spoke earlier for those who are going to watch this long interview about what's going on now in Gaza and how he feels for them because that's how he grew up in 1972 he enlisted in the Army and he was accepted to an elite unit it's called s matal really the most elite unit in the Israeli Army in 76 when the Air France plane was hijacked and rerooted to anbi he was the operations officer of the unit that was under the command of Yoni Netanyahu ala shalom in his capacity he was involved in preparing for this operation in the mission he was a commander and together with 33 soldiers got uh those hostages home alive it was an incredible story for an incredible person check out this incredible interview uh with Ramy Sherman tell us a little bit about your service I know that you served in the Army at at an incredibly High unit share us a little bit about you know a little bit about you and your service that we can get a better appreciation for for what what the service you've done for the Jewish people people through Israel I grew up in a very military tension at my childhood and then 72 I joined the most elite unit on the Israeli Army at 76 I was on the front of fighting with the terrorist in anbe when we release 104 orres from the terminal over there in in tib when you're in the plane and you're Landing right and if I remember the story they there was there was an issue and you had to land earlier and you to the lights and there it wasn't an easy even Landing but as you're coming down how do you get the courage to do this how do you have it's one thing to train but where does the courage come from to be able to take on these missions that are so dangerous that are so high high risk at 23 years old I grew up in a kibot where I was born in an atmosphere that we should do whatever we could for the state of Israel mhm and if it's in your blood in your gin this word it give you something to stand on your foot whatever you are they that defend the state their family their friends it was of my childhood the second thing which I think it was gave me courage gave me some strength to to do it that almost everyone I found myself fighting against terrorists so you should run into hotel in t Aviv proba your remember Hotel it's Strang you to fight against unknown situation Unknown People I didn't know how that look like Africa not only the Ugandan army soldiers it was the first time I was in Africa right right so that is the second thing the third thing I think it help helped me a lot because personally because I was in a duty over there as an operation Commander I was occupied so much by thinking what I forgot what I have to tell to other before what I have to do so and so so if you are active and not free of thinking it help you to cross the fear what was it like when you were when you when you landed and there was confusion everywhere was it just following orders that you didn't know where anybody was what happened if you could share this a little bit I know it's such a complic I will tell you I was landing on the first Ulus who landed in an and as we stop by the end of the runway who went out only 33 Soldiers the atmosphere over there in anbe it was so beautiful night a lot of Stars full moon quiet it wasn't a feeling that we are landing in an enemy land MH it was a beauty and relaxing after very many hours of flying which is very difficult fly we haven't got enough time to talk about it immediately everything change in my head I felt that I we are going to fall it's going to be catastrophe again as it happened a year before when we try to save life of high school student on the norn city in Israel called malot and unfortunately 20 almost 25 high school students they were killed and we fell 25 high school student teenagers they were killed and now I thought it's going to to be happened again because we meet the Ugandan soldiers who surround the terminal but we drove he sto the cars next to the main doors and it was quiet the surprise of the Ugandan soldiers and the terrorists and the ostes and the Ugandan in the control tower was the key for succeed on the operation wow and now it's a question question who is killing who who is killing first we knew from our experience the moment the terrorists will recognize that we are there the first action would be to kill the hostages from from experience we knew that so the the question who is shooting first it's another key and the surprise it help you to be the first one and it took only about 5 to to 7 minutes where most of the terrorists and the gandan who were around they were killed and after 52 minutes only from the moment the first Aus landed in in anbe where I was the Fair Aus with the oages took off Forman TBE on the way back home only 52 minutes wow all the operation which I still remember took about 52 minutes and on that point I would like to put one mightbe two important story a Jewish story because we are on Shabbat show first of all I a second generation of Holocaust Survivors my parents lost most of their family in Poland during World War II and my last Duty was to lead the hostages from the old terminal to the plan who wait to take them out and to see to see hostages walking out with personal bag some of them without shoes the mother hold the baby on their hand immediately the story of the Jews who walk to where the crematorium who arrive with train to O either to whatever awake in my head but together with a very warm feeling of now we are different now we are soldiers of the Israeli Army of the state of Israel the Jewish State and we are here to save life which is a very Mar a Jewish statement so first I want to thank you for coming thank you for being with us um thank you for what you do thank you for your service and for being an inspiration to all of us um and I wish you a Shabbat shom and I also wish you only good things for that was Ramy what an incredible story and and again I really hope you guys go to the shabbat.com to hear the full interview my favorite part of the interview which we didn't have in here so you'll have to go there at the end I called him a hero that was a mistake because he stopped me and said I'm not a hero I'm a regular man I'm like yeah sure you're a regular man the the thought to go down and to really that that whole concept of going down and being able to save people that weren't even Israelis they're just Jews it's so powerful uh there's a great sort of cross story that you'll see um between the first avir and between Ramy because they they this in a way overlapped mad was very involved in inbi it was uh there was a lot there so was so interesting I'll just share this this one story that didn't come out which is fascinating is that if you saw in the movie they were wearing these White Stripes well in the real EP in the real uh raidon inbi you you know like those I can't even picture them maybe you can picture them you know like those Sabra hats if you remember like the old is Israeli where these like white little caps you know like no brim if you can picture it picture like Israel Circa 1971 you know what I'm talking about the Sabah hats so the um the solders when they landed they had this issue that they that they were worried about which is a lot of them were dressed like Uganda soldiers that's when they jumped in that was part of their surprise they weren't all in Israeli uniforms and they were worried that in the thick of things they would shoot each other so what they did was they wore these hats they wore um these what do they call them right to kovat Temples yeah kovat temples for those as you're listening Google it so you can imagine these soldiers are coming in these tough Israeli solders with like these like you know Grandma Grandpa cats and that was you know what they needed to to to make sure that they would shoot each however if you the hostages were all huddled some they look up and they see all these white people coming white hats coming in and they thought they were angels and on the on the the the Hercules uh planes coming back they're like are you guys Ang like they didn't know what was going on they they didn't see and they didn't see the movie yet they were just watching it live it's such a cool concept that here you have these random Jews and they see all these angels coming in with guns killing the bad guys and they were uh they were Commandos it was really Commandos an incredible thing check out this incredible video you know there's so many different pieces to the Israeli story but sometimes the story is much more mysterious even the people that are actually living there check out this wonderful story um about an individual in Israel that's coming home from a strange town he's actually coming home from rala check this out [Music] what an amazing story everybody has a way back home it's thought such a beautiful concept especially speaking about a world where sometimes even in the secrets there are things we don't know but what a beautiful story here our last guest is woman named Orna Klein she was born in bate Yani a small village on the beach in Israel at the age of 21 she started her career as a mosad agent 26 years as starting as a young W young woman and a wife and a mother she became a woman of Secrets friends and family never knew who she was she lived alone she spent hours on planes and travel and she was able to learn how to live in the shadows she's two amazing daughters that while she was able to be the spy uh she was able to raise those daughters as well with her husband and uh she really speaks very much about the reality of what it means to be a spy check out this wonderful interview with Orna I would love to hear more about your background and maybe some of your experiences and your service to the Jewish people in the Army maybe you can share with us uh any area that you want to discuss my parents came to Israel in 48 for South Africa as young people as a married couple we lived in a small village on the beach shore and as everybody else went to school went to the Army I was an instructor in the Army left the Army went to University as everybody else and uh I hated it I met my brother who already worked for the Israeli you know the the security forces I didn't know where and what but I told him listen you have to rescue me I have to leave the university I don't know what to do so he said to me you know what they're looking for a woman I'm not sure you'll get in you have to pass a lot of you know tests and all sorts of things and if you succeed then right you leave the university so that's how I started I didn't know where I was going and I went through all these tests and things and they said okay on Thursday they told me on Sunday you begin so Friday morning I took the car went to Jerusalem to the university he collected all my stuff went back said goodbye to Jerusalem for a while Sunday 8:00 came to the place where they told me to be at and uh went into a room full of guys sitting around the table with the names on and me the only woman and a lot of people around us sat there a guy comes up and said welcome to the mad and I almost fell off my chair I had no idea where I was going and that's how I started actually wow so great that was my first thing is there anything that you can take us through something that that you know you can share with us that we can sort of live in your life for a few moments one of the first me memories and things that we did do and we and I can share is bombing the Iraqi um nuclear power back then at the 80s beginning of the ' 80s that was one of the first things that ever you know people spoke about and we were part of that getting the information not bombing but getting the information where it was what were they doing who was involved with it things like that how do you get through these difficult times you're sitting somewhere and you've got to Grapple with the tension of the moment maybe the consequences of what happens and then the second question is what drives you to keep on doing it okay you have to learn to learn to live with the Panic with the worry with the being scared many people tell me when I ask them what do you think you need to be in order to become a spy and a lot of people say you mustn't be afraid so I said to them wrong answer because you have to be afraid because that's one of your tools and when you get afraid you have to start asking yourself why am I afraid am I afraid because of me or am I afraid because the surroundings have I got a right to be afraid and you learn to live with the questions and you learn to live with attention and that's part of your life you become that's who you are well you since you are an instructor can you share with us what is what does it take to be a great spy what are some of the the qualities that you look for when when you're training people okay firstly it depends what which direction they going because there are a lot of jobs different jobs so you need different qualities for every job but if we you know summarize it all I can say one of them is you know working with being afraid being brave you have to uh work by plan and stick to it but also know how to work around the plan uh because every time that we go and we work we we get a list of things that we're allowed to do and not allowed to do and everything is like there there's a map like a log book but there's always something missing and there's always a new thing that happens and you always have to know when you need to stop and when you can continue and how you have to be flexible with that so that's another thing that you need and this is why this is so important is that it's sacrifice that nobody can see and the reason why it's so important is because and this is why we're doing on this show is because it's sends a message to the rest of us be bigger be bigger Israel is now in the middle of a crisis step up for the Jewish people the neighbor needs you step up for the neighbor right like when you see when I get when we get to meet people like you it reminds all of us that there's more in us than we thought and whatever we're sacrificing you can always go a little bit further and that's the story of the Jewish people it's been the story of the Jewish people from the beginning Hashem drives us to things that are Lan but when we come out of it we go how did we do this it's because you know people people really do when we started talking you said you know you hear all these stories and when I lecture and I lecture a lot about the people the people behind the work and the women behind because a lot of people think that the women are doing different things more sexual things but the women are doing exactly what the men are doing and I talk about the people and I talk about you know the sacrifice and how and we didn't do it because we felt that we are sacrificing we really did it from the bottom of our hearts of our beliefs yeah it wasn't uh it wasn't a game and now when you see the politics and you see the pettiness and you see the power games and you see all that around you you say what's going on here somewhere we lost our way yeah and we need we really need to you know Focus back in and change our ways because Israel is not a regular country right we here for a reason yeah Ora thank you so much for joining us and really your your sacrifice for our people is inspiring we thank you for what you do and keep on Shining your light on this world thank you very much and let's hope for a better world amen amen you know one of the things that I want to make sure comes out here and this is why I think we're doing a show on the mosad on the the Commandos and it's not just to have a historical show about what happened in the past it's not just to have a show about units that are taking place in Israel it's supposed to be lessons for our lives if you really think about what was the success of a lot of these units if you really put it into our lives would you find there some basic principles that have been with the Jewish people from the beginning of time you know we came out of Egypt and what got us ultimately to get the Torah was this incredible concept of unification of unity of being able to see past ourselves for something bigger when you look at the Jewish people throughout time moments of Crisis moments of great need are moments in which we naturally come together and when we come together for causes greater than ourselves and we sacrifice ourselves for those causes God brings Miracles I don't think for one second that the successes of the mosad or the commanders are only because of the hands or the minds of individuals it is divinely orchestrated there is no question that God has been moving his hand in the way that God does throughout history and what that means for you is your own personal uh connection to God however what's so powerful about the show for me is that you meet people that are willing to sacrifice for the greater good they're willing to sacrifice for Jews they've never met they're willing to sacrifice for ideal they believe is good for the Jewish people and that concept sacrifice for each other belief in bigger Mission understand that we are here and the yesterday connects to tomorrow and our history will shape our destiny and to dream big and to to overcome challenge that's who we are that's who we are from the moment we stepped out of Egypt to to right now today in the state of Israel in every other country in which there are Jews and that's who we're going to be until God finally reveals himself and shows the world that he's the king of the world we have to celebrate each other we come from different backgrounds we have to celebrate that celebrate who we are celebrate every single piece of our nation that's what Shabbat is all about it's about stopping and celebrating the different colors of our people you notice what a Shabbat table looks like the different colors in the table different foods that we eat it's not one thing that we do everything comes together as a tapestry when you spin through life you think and see yourself your way of thinking your talents but when you slow down you start seeing all the colors all the moments of the week come together in one perfect arange man which is a word for rest doesn't mean rest sleep it means pulling back the famous Rabbi believe theas says means pulling back and seeing how all the pieces connect that's the uniqueness ofat that's the uniqueness about our people different backgrounds and it all connects if you remember what air said one of our greatest strengths in mad was that we're different we have different backgrounds we speak different languages and the Jewish people can come together and Achieve incredible things so maybe this week we should think about that what do what are my beliefs can I sacrifice myself more for the ne for the person next to me have I been able to be unified with my fellow Jew whether they live in my neighborhood or across the world and together if we're willing to give a little more for each other we're stronger and hopefully God will look down and say look at my people look at where where they're at look at how much they want to be there for each other on behalf of me and M to you and yours I wish you a shabbat shalom may we love and respect each other and be there for each other may we learn the lessons of people that sacrifice so that we can sacrifice more I hope and pray that next week we get do this show live from Jerusalem but if not we hope to see you here so on behalf of all of us have a wonderful weekend good shabas and shabbat [Music] shalom when every generation they take one raising the haters then a sh hit the pavement blazing the save us and the world ask where they went patience are faithless the to get the whole world a facelift if hatred is baseless we take it erase it and exchange it for that M to go we don't forget wherever we may go there was only one place we know and it's called pieces and you just falling down falling down I'll pick you up and if you feel like you're out numbered on a Battleground and you hi know will be for you every time you turn around I will let you down and we'll both become RIS than the sun together we [Music] we you [Music]