The Shabbat Show - Episode 37: Antisemitism - The Roots. Now. The Future.

[Music] hello everybody and welcome to another episode of the shabbat show so great to be with you back again so great to be almost at another shabbat what an incredible time as the year starts to come to an end we have the opportunity to take a deep breath it's really experience shabbat and our whole year what could be better than now for every single one of us to really take a really take a breather see what we've accomplished this year and use shabbat as a way to get a little bit better get a little bit stronger we got a great show for you tonight this show this this show is sponsored with love from kenya incredible that uh they're watching it over there so thank you for those who sponsored it from kenya it's also uh sponsored again um as a program of the call enoch goldman center for jewish values dedicated by jay gomez thank you so much we appreciate that you know the last two shows was hanukkah you know one of the things we wanted to do in hanukkah was talk about anti-semitism ethicism anti-semitism is a real part of our lives it's part of our history and it really was the side of the coin of hanukkah that could bring home a lot of our victory it was hanukkah who wants to talk about anti-semitism on hanukkah so you figure we do it right after hanukkah to have a conversation about anti-semitism its root its roots historically spiritually what it means for us the positivity in it you know if you're right if you're a jew you're going to experience anti-semitism the more identified you are the more it'll come at you but even if it doesn't come at you you see it you read it and it doesn't really make a lot of sense to us a lot of what we experience in anti-semitism seems to be a rational unfair double standard and when we when we we hear anti-semitism we as jews have very different reactions some of us get scared some of us are shocked some of us are not shocked at all some of us turn on each other and assume that it is that group that is drawing all the attention if they would just get it together it would all go away some of us don't want to believe it but we need to grapple with it because anti-semitism is a part of our story it's a piece of our experience in this world and there's a lot to learn about it and there's a lot we can do so it shows a this shows really important and i hope you stick with us all the way to the end because we've got incredible guests we've got ken spiro from jerusalem we've got barry khan who's on we got arya green who's on we got kahoot we got a great show filled with experts with real powerful insights that you don't want to miss about something as ancient as our torah in the torah we have episodes of anti-semitism and it's been here since so i'm excited really to delve in with you and excited to learn about this critically important topic let's begin with this incredible story about a leader in hungary and watch what happens to him check this out [Music] an incredible concept to eradicate it to be proud to be jewish to not be thrown by it anti-semitism what it does what it means and how irrational it is please make sure you uh check check out either on zoom and give me a chance to give you a shabbat shalom drop your name and where you're from or you can go to my facebook page and do the same so we'd love to hear from you and please feel free to reach out our first guest is rabbi ken spiro born and raised in the united states rabbi spear has lived in israel since 1982 he served in the combat infrastructure unit in the idf a father of five children he lives in jerusalem he's a senior lecturer and researcher for asiatora in jerusalem in addition he is a licensed tour guide from the israel ministry of tourism he has appeared on numerous radio and television programs such as the bbc radio and tv the national geographic channel discovery channel history channel channel 4 england and rusheva israel national news he is an author and his writings and seminars can be accessed at www.ken spear check out this i had a chance to catch up with ken earlier and ask him a little bit about what he felt he writes about this but anti-semitism check this out you know you're you i i considered you you'd be a world expert on this and i've read your book i've heard your speech and as you know i've actually given your speech because not only is your your your research done by you others have taken it and and spoken about it and i've been a beneficiary and i remember going to to to communities and using a lot of your research um about this concept of the uniqueness of anti-semitism so we're living in a world right now that is it's full of hatred that's what it is there's intolerance you see it there's division and you say that anti-semitism really is unique what is it that makes it unique the definition is prejudice or hostility towards jews and jews alone that that's kind of weird but there's a bunch of aspects of it that really set it apart one is the universality of it that hatred of us isn't linked to our relationship with one country one race one religion wherever we've gone many significant numbers we've been hated that's number one number two is the longevity of it it's like the oldest recorded history on the planet earth when thames television in england did a whole tv series on it the title was anti-semitism the longest hatred because i can show you anti-semitism all the way back in the book of genesis number three is the intensity of it you know it's not just prejudice or hostility towards jews it's one an ending long list of persecution expulsion rape pillage beating up to what's the worst you can do to people you hate kill them all what's the word for that genocide and the last thing that sets it apart is the irrationality of it you know you ask a white supremacist to put on a whiteboard why he doesn't like like black people or something he'll put three or four horrible supposed things he thinks they do yes two haters to put on a board they'll fill it up with a unending list we hate jews because they're capitalist communist warlike passive different the same strong weak rich poor dominant lazy serval aggressive you know professor michael curtis at rutgers university said it the best he said anything and everything is a reason to hate the jew whatever you hate the jew is that but you put it all together and you've got a uh you know the world is full of racism and bigots and intolerance but there's aspects of anti-semitism that are unlike anything else so how does one approach that how does what's the way that a person looks at the world and is able to distinguish that right you know as a jew you know do we just how how should how would you look at all this well i mean the first thing we have to do is just is first of all not to believe it you know right like i said we're hated for anything and everything you know oh now jews like you look in the world today jews are too rich too powerful too big in hollywood too much money too much giving money to politics but poor jews are hated just as much in history oh maybe it's those jews because they look so different they got the pace and yeah but then we even we try and assimilate the same thing happens ironically like the biggest explosions of anti-semitism take place in the place where we're most like the non-jews that's in egypt 3 300 years ago it's in germany before the holocaust no one was more german than german jews so we as jews we can't get distracted by all these excuses by the way charlie there's millions and millions of people who believe crazy stuff about us you know we kidnap christian babies use their blood to bake matzo we poison whales we're in league with the devil we control the world's economy seismic activity we trigger tsunamis in southeast asia to drown indonesia with tidal waves release sharks into the red sea destroy egyptian tourism we send vultures to spy on saudi arabia and last year iran accused us of stealing their clouds but we can't get distracted because none of them have anything to do with the real cause of anti-semitism they're all just excuses right what is it that anti-semitism can show us so that when we see it we can at least not only ignore it and be good to each other but we can actually walk away and say hmm maybe there's something in there that can make us bigger better stronger people the way i say it is we have basically been dragging the world often kicking and screaming towards a vision of values that is based on the idea of one god and that's the great jewish innovation is bringing the idea of one god one absolute standard of morality into the world someone once said freud had a great line in moses and mono season and moses said monotheism i'm kind of paraphrasing him but he said christians don't hate jews and he's generalizing i'm not saying all christians are doing this but he said in general christian anti-semitism isn't because we killed jesus it's because we gave them jesus which is a very profound idea they don't mean literally jesus but along with jesus comes to judeo-christian ethics this idea there's an absolute morality you can't just do what you like morality is not a popularity contest there's right and wrong in an absolute sense so we've been dragging the world kicking and screaming towards this vision of values based on this relationship with one god and anti-semitism regardless of whatever excuse it hides behind and a lot of people believe those excuses but on the deepest level often subconscious it's a rebellion against the national historic mission of the jewish people which is our mission which is to be a light to the nations to individually and collectively live in a way that inspires people so they come to us and say what's your secret jews like you seem to be so happy look at your families or communities how you do business we want to be like you that's our mission in the world and refinement velocity he said it the best and sometimes the short answers are the best he said when jews don't make kiddish gentiles make allah doesn't mean it literally but our job in this world is kidnesh hashem to live and act in a way that inspires mothers if we don't fill the world with those values is that there's a basic concept in physics charlie nature abhors a vacuum the world is easy to be either going to be filled with the values that we put in the world that come from god because we're the god squad and we're supposed to individually collectively fill the world with those values or it's going to be filled with the opposite values the opposite values are evil and when evil comes into the world it will target us first but you have a book about this right i have a bunch of books but the the book i wrote a book called perfect the jewish impact on civilization which is a great place to be i happen to love i'm just telling you now i love it can you the best is my mother very happy thanks for what you did thanks for what you do and with me and continue shining your light on this world take care charlie god bless be well thank you bye-bye and that was a great great insights from from ken spear about anti-semitism it's not like they hate us like it is what it is it's there's something unique about it and we're we're jews so like we have to learn something from everything right like we're sitting around figuring out every little thing about every little thing well guess what well anti-semitism is part of this it's rational it makes no sense we're poor and we're rich we're pacifists and warmongers we're always on the wrong side of the problem to some people and what ken brought out i thought was so powerful and i want to make sure we can double click on it for a moment here is this idea that is more spiritual which is we're on this earth for a reason god's given us a mission live with his values project life in a way that is spiritual make him proud be a light and if we can't and if we don't there's a vacuum that gets created and many times that vacuum is filled with evil and if it is it targets us first very powerful look at some of the countries that hate us most this is what ken said it and the parts the interview that we had to cut out look at some of the countries that hate us and go take a look at their human rights record see what they do and how they treat their people just take a list just in your mind think about the countries that are really anti-semitic go check out the rights in iran go check out the rights in some of these countries go see how they're doing with their values what you'll find is that the whole concept of anti-semitism really is not just random in some ways it's us being reminded to do our job it's us being reminded that we're here to make a difference that was ken spiro excellent one of the great places that we seem to not understand enough is a place called the college campus if you're not on a college campus you don't know i was on a college campus during one of the intifadas i was in columbia university during the 2000 around that time there was an intifada it was it was scary man you're on a college campus it goes on a college campus i'd walk to class and there'd be pictures of babies clearly not in any way accurate and and accusations and all the way along the way it was it was intense if you're not on a college campus you may not appreciate this but this is what's going on right now in places that are not far from our home check out this interview done by a man named ami horowitz at unc check this out i'm mommy horowitz and i'm here on the campus of the university of north carolina where unc and duke are holding a joint conference on the conflict in gaza so i came here to get a sense the perspectives of the people attending the conference this was a major conference with hundreds of students professors and administrators who spent a weekend bashing israel and whitewashing the terrorist organization hamas if it only stopped there this is a professor who i asked about her views on the spate of attacks in new york by black teens on jews and synagogues blacks have a lot of also reason to be angry at jews now the conference wouldn't allow me to film inside so my sound guy set me up with a hidden mic with very little prodding the veneer of being anti-israel in an effort to hide their hatred of jews was easily scratched away and devolved into open anti-semitism i first asked them about the most powerful modern anti-semitic trope does jewish money control u.s government policy us government oh absolutely not you guys jewish lobbyists are very rich the jewish lobby is influencing our government and how that's changing u.s policy for everyone here with you on that one they're influencing our politics you know the rule and the money rules the world yeah no meaning like um makes a decision i appreciate your courage oh this is interesting what you are doing right yeah yeah impressive i'm jewish i don't know yeah i could already tell you didn't have to tell me i don't take offense that at all i appreciate people who are questioning their own background look at the treatment of ethiopian jews right jews that are supposedly in the club but they're ethiopian they're black refugees who come to israel assuming it's this jewish state have actually been sterilized in the past you're telling me that i don't know the jewish government sterilized ethiopian jews coming into israel yeah yeah that's crazy and then the featured entertainment for the event came on stage he proceeded to well let's let the video do the talking [Music] i know it sounds stuff but don't don't think of uh rihanna when you sing it think of um don't think of beyonce think of mel gibson oh my god go that that scenario let's try it together because i need your help i cannot be at this semantic alone [Applause] [Music] oh [Applause] [Music] um swastikas were found on campus 38 of the largest departments and schools at the university of north carolina sponsored this event it also got a federal grant of nearly a quarter of a million dollars they should all be ashamed [Music] i gotta tell you i'll tell you a quick story before we move on to the to our next guest uh we have i had the honor of taking on the momentum trip about 200 men to israel once we had a speaker speak to us one of the days um an arab individual who was a his pro-israel writer for one of the newspapers i think it was the jerusalem post so he lives in an arab town and one of our guys raised his hands i was never never forget it and said are you scared to go home you live in an arab town you write pro-israel stuff like you got to go home at night you know what this guy said to him i kid you not he said i am more scared to go to an american college campus than back to my home in an arab town can you imagine what goes on every single day is serious business we need to be aware of it we need to know it we need to be strong about it we're not going to be scared about it with the jewish people we don't get scared and anti-semites anti-semites come and go we need to be strong and powerful and aware because ignorance is not helping us and it's not helping those kids that are stuck in those camps and it's not helping the people that are coming out of those campuses just being aware changes who we are and the awareness is not just in the anti-semitism it's also in the historical roots of the anti-semitism i had a chance to catch up with rabbi ari khan and talk about this received his rabbinic ordination from mishi university he's director of o of the overseas student program at the barilani university in israel where he's also a senior lecturer in jewish studies he serves as the rabbi of mishkan hetro community in gibadzev rabbi khan is the author of 12 books on jewish thought we had an interesting conversation about the historical roots of anti-semitism and check this out what are some of the um origins that we can look to that really shows the long history of anti-semitism in the world look i think one of the most important aspects is that day when asev says to his brother you know about his brother yaakov that i'm going to kill him i'm going to kill him and therefore you know he was also a semite which means you're dealing with a relationship which is essentially brothers that fall into dysfunctionality and that's what we need to focus on it is a dysfunctional family relationship which goes terribly terribly wrong which morphs at some point it's judaism christianity rome and jerusalem and its members family because that's really what the hope is ultimately going to be you know even later on when yaakov and asap meet and we would expect this asap who wants to kill yaakov but he ends up embracing when hugging him and it's funny because rashi there quotes the gemara the talmud where it says that it's a halal be a duo we know that asap so i've killed it out to my students so why does he give him a hug afterwards if asap hates yaakov why does he hug him because he said it's and he was such enough because he couldn't even follow that allah therefore he ends up hugging him but that's kidding that's not kidding aside that there is this there is this disrespect and there's this love and there's this hatred and it goes in different ways which means the opposite of love is not hate the opposite of love is indifference but god forbid for marriage falls apart and falls into this this just indifference it's not the same thing that falls into hate hate is because there was once love between hate and love have such an interesting relationship the nations of the world that come from asap right they come from christianity rome whatever that root was and how it plays out today ultimately embrace us for who we are and then there's real love which is not i want to to make you any different but i embrace you for who you are so now take me to the other major relationship we have right because there's the the relationship between isaac and israel right which is also a contentious that's a different relationship right because while aesop and jacob were brothers isaac and israel were only half brothers um so so how do you how do you characterize that as it goes through history again historically this is just a very different issue going on i i live in the middle east and and i live with muslims and i don't find the same kind of theological seated hatred in the sense you know you can have a little christian kid being taught you killed our god or you rejected our god you crucified every god whatever in the islamic religion they don't have that which means with them it actually is even though there's a religion a religious basis board it's much more of an issue of who's in charge which means having an independent israel is what upsets them much more than the religion per se so it's much more of the politics gets the thing going rather than actually the religion what are some of the things you think we should be doing with this knowledge um and the world in front of us and where it's going and knowing that most likely will to some extent we'll be dealing with anti-semitism whether through what we read or what we see how does a person properly deal with it we need we need to fill the world with positivity which means the the way to fight evil is not by being evil against evil the way to fight evil is by producing more good we need to produce good which means ultimately we're going to be attacked and we're going to be hated and the people who are going to just see something terrible whatever we do we need to fill the world with good we need to fill the world a positive message because we need to respond to hatred with love we need to respond to negativity with positivity which pulling back a little bit we need to know who we are we need to know our history we need not to be apologetic we need to be proud but we need to fill the world with positivity and that's ultimately what's going to cause a victory in terms of this battle and israel is a good example of that like if israel would be wallowing every time someone says something to them like you'd never be the country if the jews would always be looking over their shoulders and never really we we've always kept on going um and and brought a little humor to it as well you know that's sort of the jewish way thank you rabbi for the time i know you're so busy um and shabbat shalom and uh i hope that we get to see each other more and i hope we get to live at a time where people realize how special the jewish people are this rat hashem thank you thank you shabbat thank you um thank you rabbi khan for that was really great and such an interesting conversation about the origins and the differences in terms of the different people and different peoples and how they treated us of course remember to please like and subscribe to project inspires youtube page uh really that is critical for here and remember now please give us a shout out you go to my facebook page or to the zoom page lots going on project inspire as always project inspire is never stopping that's entire period of time that we've gone through they have never slowed down and this week in project inspire we have mine flex we have morality where did it come from um that's going to be taking place um this week you got to check that out on tuesday we've got at 9 00 p.m simca herzog head of u.s secured financing the royal bank of scotland morality is innate and on wednesday we've got adam rosenblum's esquire of rosenbloom uh law firm is it possible to be good without torah so those should be incredible presentations please feel free to check them out we thank project inspire for their role of course this is their show and also their role just always inspiring everybody else now if you remember we've got michael on the street um and he's been asking questions all the time to people and giving us incredible small presentations as he takes us in and out of leads we love his wit and his humor but for today's show michael has traveled to york england and will be giving us a walking tour of the city and its infamous history with the jews he did a great job check this out [Music] i'm here in york it's in the north of england it's in yorkshire it's an incredible city to be in it's got remnants from viking times from roman times from medieval times from victorian elizabethan times obviously all the way up until today it's also a place where one of the darkest most horrifying moments in anglo jewish history took place [Music] in 1190 after having run from their home country of israel to other places around the middle east then eventually going through europe they end up in france where during the crusades and the norman invasion the jews were invited to come into england to take on a job the christian people were not allowed to have which was money lenders because christians weren't allowed to charge interest to each other [Music] a noteworthy element of york jewish history is that this roboron used to be the market for everybody however it wasn't seen as being the right thing to have the jews doing trade amongst the rest of the people so as a result they were given their own section which is just behind me to be their marketplace and if you look on the top corner over here there's a sign that says jubbergate jobbergate simply translates in old english as jubber jew gate road behind me was jew road [Music] when the jews came over here as money lenders they actually became quite successful as a matter of fact it's suspected that a jewish member of the york community may well have been the most successful man in all of england at the time they lived in fairly discreet houses but they had an interesting difference to the rest of the york community [Music] now we're here at norman house norman house is thought to be one of the oldest known residences actually in york it's made of stone there's also a possibility that it's actually a jewish built house and the question is why could it be jewish well years ago because the jews had been persecuted from place to place to place and then they came over here as money lenders they had to keep their riches safe whether it was their riches or the money they were lending out and you can see over here there's a clear divide from one floor to the floor below the reason that was safer is because there were no real banks back then so as a result they had to keep the money that they were lending in lending out safe there's also another sad reason that these houses are made from stone it's as follows it's simple had they been made from wood they would have burnt many times over now what happened is there was one man in particular in 1190 he owned a tremendous amount of money his name was richard malbus we'll never know exactly how much he owed but what we do know is he didn't want to pay it back as the crusades were going on he took advantage of the situation on what was called shabbat haggard all in 1190 which is translated to great shabbat right before passover malves incited the mob he used a weapon which has been used for hundreds of years beforehand the blood libels the blood libels are simple you accuse the jewish community of using non-jewish blood often children's blood to bake the traditional unleavened bread matzah for the essential part of the passover service the jews expected this because unfortunately after hundreds of years of persecution they knew that eventually the day would come again so they planned with the mob rising against them they did something that the mob didn't know about what malvis didn't know about which is a long time beforehand they hatched an escape plan the escape plan was pretty simple get out as fast as possible run down the main road which runs all the way across york city center they had a place they were going to hide in a place they could take refuge so in the middle of the night the jews did something they had done for decades for hundreds of years beforehand they ran [Music] mob was chasing them they ran as fast as they possibly could leaving the houses in the dead of night they're headed to the main road over here which leads from one side of york all the way to the other and if you look towards the end of their destination there's a hidden point a building that never used to be there right at the end has a secret behind it a secret that the jews hoped would save their lives [Music] when the jews arrived at the tower they ran up the steep hill as fast as possible malbec arrived with the mob and they were screaming for blood malbus gave the community an ultimatum he said come out and confess which simply meant convert or die we don't know how long they discussed it or if they discussed it at all but we know the most horrifying decision was made soon after which was they would rather die than they would come out and convert to a religion that was not theirs people must have watched and listen as they screamed and took each other's lives going from the children upwards until there was nobody left except a couple of people who decided that they would come out and unfortunately the people who said they were willing to convert didn't make it until the next day when the mob executed them it really is the darkest day in new york's jewish history and unquestionably it is part of the jewish history we recall this once a year during kinos it's estimated that 150 jews were killed in that massacre the entire population of york and tragically things only got worse for the jews in britain soon after resentment grew hatred grew and to make sure that the jews could be identified the british community did something which was all too familiar to the jewish community just a few hundred years later they made every jew in britain where a yellow star on them something which became seen again when the nazis the germans made the jews do the same thing across europe before rounding them up and executing them again it's unquestionably one of the darkest days in britain's jewish history and jewish history in general anti-semitism was without doubt a stain on the world and we remember it today every time we look over and we see clifford's tower [Music] oh oh we're not running anymore i'll tell you that much we're done running we're not running anymore if you remember the days that our forefathers ran and our ancestors ran many of us come from generations of people that ran into gas chambers i can tell you one thing we don't run anymore we're done running we're done running thank you michael for that incredible video puts things in context a little bit it's the sacrifice that our ancestors made to get us to where we are right now as i watched that video i'll tell you i was thinking two different things of course my heart went out to my ancestors don't think i have any british blood but it don't matter what they went through what life was like throughout all the ages which we don't even appreciate how hard it was to them for them to stay being who they're supposed to be the thought the fear the panic because they held strong to their traditions the next generation and the next generation held on and that's why we're here today we're here today because they were brave people in our history we need to appreciate them and understand it and when we see anti-semitism rear its head we got to make sure we got an axe to cut it off we also have to appreciate that we're living in a time thank god where we're not running anymore when we run is usually an f-16 with the star david not too far behind us gotta remember where we come from because i remember where we are and we got to make sure wherever we go we go stronger and prouder never forgetting where we're from but always moving on to where we need to be it's time for kahoot right now last week we had an incredible incredible game it was chanukah and people won such great prizes they gave we gave out a jbl we gave out an elliptical my kids wanted to win the elliptical but they didn't maybe they'll win tonight uh go to kahoot you can go on kahoot.it you can go on your app go to 267-7933-267-7933 we'll give it a minute so my mom gets on while i do that if i'll just take a second to wish a couple of shabbat shaloms of course to rochelle and michael kersland from toronto shabbat shalom to to adrian and eileen grant to leon and barbara pomeranz in atlanta georgia shabbat shalom to henya from toronto shabbat shalom to jen shabbat shalom to jerry and goldie tauber shabbat shalom to you that is the jamie geller clan shabbat shalom too shabbat shalom to tammy from birmingham alabama to andrew novak and the novak family from toronto to the silver family in highland park new jersey to carol drucker from the upper west side yes carol i was there this week to lay apparel new york city okay let's get rolling i'll get some more shabbat shalom but we can't hold alcoho that much longer here we go how do you say hate in hebrew baleen or kova how do you say hate in hebrew shabbat shalom to the mervis family in silver spring linda in boston sarah stern and bayswater thank you for your kind words tanya friedman tanya and austin freeman in toronto here goes the answer number one the answer is lots of people got that one right let's see how we did patriots rock welcome back he reaches rock on the top mervis js the silvers and edison adlers here we go here we go number two the adl surveyed countries equaling a population of four billion how many of those are anti-semitic so all the countries that equal a population i guess together how many of those countries are anti-semitic how many many of these are anti-semitic oh population how many p i guess this is not country's population the adl surveyed countries equaling a population of 4 billion how many of these are anti-semitic looking for people not countries the answer is 16 a billion people wow that's news to me i should get these questions beforehand js winning omada phoenix arizona mfam and patriots rock let's keep on rolling over here number three which of these are actual false pejoratives said about jews which of these are actual false pejorative jews number one we control the climate to create natural disasters two jews have big noses three jewish leaders have secret meetings conspiring to give the world and for all the above that seems like a gimme that's that seems like an easy one shabbat shalom turf commands or from brooklyn shabbat shalom to jenning in georgia shabbat shalom to joan to joan kodesh should watch them do the answer is yeah all the above that we've said all that stuff protocols yeah the zion the nose thing love it js winning on mata and fam phoenix and patriots rock coming to the last question here we go last one which world leader said the denial of israel's right to exist is a form of anti-semitism donald trump gandhi boris johnson or emmanuel macron who said the denial of israel's right to exist as a form of anti-semitism shabbat shalom till he off in baltimore to sabi from denver colorado fallon levin from southfield michigan who said that israel's denial of israel's right to exist as a form of anti-semitism schweitzer lumpyrovka tyler the answer is emmanuel macron nobody was going for that one that's a donald trump pump fake i went over trump too by the way just for the record and no one would have thought that it was macron but okay here we go number three winning omada congratulations first time seeing you on the board welcome to the team js and number one the winner for this week is bubby r bubby harv that's phenomenal bubby r takes the cake bobby identify yourself please that i could make sure to give you a special shout out and thank that that was great bubbe pulls up out of nowhere did you see her on the board i didn't see bobby the entire time did you see her on the board because she wasn't first three rounds no sign of a vr last round out of nowhere bubbier shows up and takes the cake congratulations bubbier please identify yourself okay our next guest his name is arya green he's the author of the book my israel trail finding peace in the promised land about hiking the seven hundred mile shivel israel that's the israel's national trail and meeting personal challenges well-known and popular speaker arya is also the chief strategist she's the chief strategy officer for gigawatt global a jerusalem-based renewable energy platform for africa a former senior adviser to nonson sharansky in israel's prime minister's office he also was a co-founder and director of media central a jerusalem project of honors reporting providing services for foreign press in israel he is an idf veteran when not promoting israel or and renewable energies he grows grapes and makes wine check out this interesting interview i had with arya earlier so we hear about this whole concept of like new and old anti-semitism people are saying that the new way of anti-semitism really is not criticizing jews directly anymore that's like the old school approach now we there's another way to get at us which is to use israel as this this approach talk to us a little bit about what is this new anti-semitism and how you see it developing across the world um today instead of well you know especially in america and europe and polite society one can't say that the jews are not legitimate one can't say jews are dirty or beastial or like animals one can't say that judaism itself you know has been replaced by christianity that issue of replacement theology is no longer part of our kind of modern discourse but what has unfortunately replaced that traditional hatred of jews or delegitimization of judaism what's replaced it is the hatred of or the demonization of or the delegitimization of the instead of individual jew the community of jews meaning the state of israel the modern uh expression of jewish peoplehood of the civilization of judaism the people of israel living in the land of israel the modern nation state of israel now have their legitimacy called into question and it's called into question in a way that no other state i mean you know some 70 new nations have been created in the modern era since the end of world war ii divided along lines map lines or geographic lines almost arbitrarily in the middle east and elsewhere or divided or split on sectarian or ethnic lines like bangladesh bangladesh and pakistan being created out of the northern part of india to separate buddhists and hindus nobody calls me to question these these nations it's only the nation of israel whose legitimacy and his founding is called into question which is obviously kind of ironic because the nation of israel has been around for i guess since let's say if not the time of abraham let's say from the time of well israel jacob this double standard really is just an extension of the stuff they did to us in nazi germany how how are people allowing this to i mean i guess i'm a little taken now so i'll just just keep there's more to this let's continue on i i don't have a question i just i'm experiencing this this argument live with you so just continue that's okay charlie it's the kind of thing where uh it was in originally a family that became a clan or a tribe and became a nation when we when we left egypt nathan charensky just to share with you one anecdote often talks about how when his kgb interrogators were questioning him and threatening him and demanding that he give up uh information or what have you they used to say to him you're a jew you're a jew they didn't say and this is the way he tells it they didn't say you're a reformed jew you're a conservative jew you're an orthodox you you're an israeli jew you're a moroccan jew you're an american jew we are a people a family uh and that understanding of jewish peoplehood i think was ubiquitous it was universally understood 100 years ago even those who hated jews hated us because we were different right because we weren't one of them they didn't hate us necessarily because the idea that we had killed their uh jesus or what have you there was that too but there was this understanding that we were different and therefore when the nations acknowledged 100 years ago in the battlefield declaration in the mandate given to great britain to foment and encourage the establishment of a national home for the jewish people in the land of israel known then as palestine it was again an expression of the ubiquitous understanding that these jews are are a different people are a people who stands alone if you will so now if you fast forward to today if you ask most people in western society including unfortunately many jews um what is judaism they'll say it's religion it's a bit it's a belief system this fundamental idea that that we are a people a civilization um has been lost to many of us and to most of the uh of the leaders of the academic world the political echelon religious leaders and others and so when we understand that then we understand a little bit of where this resentment of this jewish state might come from if judaism is only a religion then why should one religion have precedent over another in any state let alone a state in the middle east but if judaism is understood as a civilizational construct as a combination of people land culture traditions religion language and all the rest of it then there's an understanding that just as france is there for the french people and greeks are connected to greece so jews are connected to judea or the people of israel are connected to the land of israel in the modern nation state of israel so this this resentment is based partially on an ignorance of just why the jews are defined as a people as opposed to how others sometimes defined us and then that relates to the legitimacy of the founding of israel thank you very much for being here thank you for what you do for our people um and uh it's an honor to have you on we look forward to following up and i'm sure after this show there'll be a whole bunch of people that are either going to be more aware in their conversations and i hope there'll be a whole bunch of people that are that'll check out those sites out and be a warrior uh to defend us in every single which way thank you again thanks thanks for having me on joey and thanks for everything you do thank you and really uh so much of this concept that we're seeing today and really what arya was bringing out we need to be aware of is that this deal this deleting jibsation delegitimization of israel is really an extension of the legitimization of us that what you're seeing as the anti-israel rhetoric is really anti-semitism it's cloaking itself in the modern approach it's not in fashion to say that we hate jews no longer so instead we can just put israel up indeed legitimize delegitimize it because ultimately it's the same thing a couple more shabbat shaloms before we get to the last video really powerful video shalom to the ministers of cincinnati sahib from brooklyn shabbat shalom to nancy and scarsdale to shroggy friedman shabbat shalom to bracha friedman um to me and some more i want to do a couple over here on my facebook if you want to go to my facebook page we'd love to see you as well the propels miami shabbat shalom michael weingard uh it's an honor that you're on michael michael's actually from germany so he clearly um is in a place that has has been uh famous for anti-semitism and we we tell you that you're we're part of the same family we love you we thank you for tuning in i'm sure it's late at night over there and thank you mike of all that you do rita rubin from boca steve crank stephen crane from toronto ruth perez from west orange rana adler um from fairlawn um and uh everybody else really thank you so much and before we get to the last piece over here what really struck me from a conversation i had with arya was this idea that um in many ways anti-semitism at least the way we used to experience it is um is ending to some extent thank god right you just can't pick up you just can't pick us on us anymore in england and in france and like we just we're not going to take it anymore so now the anti-semites rear their head differently and every once in a while you find the jew that stands up we all stand up but some send that more than others this next video is from a great jew his name is david greenfield and this is film live from the new york city council chamber check this out you'll be proud thank you madam public advocate you know i i i've waited my turn here i followed protocol on the new york city council and haven't spoken out because i respect this chamber i have to tell you you know i'm still shaken to my core i'm upset i'm angry but i'll tell you honestly i'm actually somewhat pleased to what we saw here today if you're wondering why i'm saying that is because for the last few weeks we've heard from people who said oh we don't we don't dislike jews we only dislike the state of israel we have no problem with you we simply don't want you to go to israel but we know that's not really at the core of what they were saying and today they proved it while we were discussing a resolution regarding the murder of 1.1 million human beings i will point out that 90 of whom were jewish but the other 10 were political dissidents they were jehovah's witnesses they were gays those were the people who were being killed together in auschwitz burke now while we were discussing that they had the nerve the chutzpah the temerity to unfurl a palestinian flag and to yell at us while we were discussing that and so the reason i'm pleased is because stop pretending that this is about israel when the reality is that every middle eastern country that is in existence today is not democratic and persecutes people of other faiths and persecutes gays and persecutes people who disagree with them and persecutes people on twitter and persecutes women who drive except for one country which is the state of israel and so what you saw here today was naked blind anti-semitism that's what you saw and that's what you watched and that's what you witnessed people who are upset for one reason do you want to know why they're angry do you want to know why they're unfurling that flag today because hitler did not finish the job he only wiped out half of my family and only by the grace of god is the other half me the grandchild still alive today that's why those people are upset shame on them shame on them for hating jews shame on them for hating people shame on them for disrespecting the most diverse democratically elected body in the united states of america and that's why we go to israel we go to israel to make a message that is clear that we will not be cowered by this fear and by this hatred that we have where these are people who would celebrate the death of jews rather than mourn the death of innocents i am embarrassed at what happened here today but i am pleased that we finally see what this is all about good old-fashioned anti-semitism thank you councilmember mealy i can't say that any better than that david grief on everybody how do you like that how do you like that that's what this is that's what this is anti-semitism cloaked in anti-israelism this show is about the origins of some of the greatest phenomenon of all time which is anti-semitism it makes no sense it never did and sometimes we look at other jews that maybe look more religious than us and do things and go well if you would just stop being so as if as if if a jew stopped doing one thing what would happen they would stop hating us really if israel would just really no this is how it is this is the reality of the world for reasons that we don't understand and never did for reasons that we will never fully grasp anti-semitism is a reality let me tell you something it's not for us to be scared it's not for us to be upset it's not for us to be worried it's for us to be vigilant for us to realize that we don't cower anti-semites we're not scared of anti-semites we don't respect the opinion of an anti-semite we respond by defending each other because that's what we do we we become more aware of it around us in all of its ugly forms and we defend each other because that's what it means to defend ourselves from all threats because that's what jews do and then you know what we do you know the best way to fight anti-semitism is the best way to fight anti-semitism is to be proud jews to be proud of our heritage to be proud of our people to be proud of our customs to be proud of our country to be proud of our soldiers to be proud of our god we're proud of our torah when we walk around and we raise our chest a little bit we don't cower and fear we don't hide ourselves we walk around proud and make the jew next to us proud it sends a signal that we don't run no more i want to end with one story and close this out you're oh i think it's about two years already was the pittsburgh shooting remember the synagogue on shabbat well i had a friend of mine who told me the story where he had a colleague in his office that came into work the day at a couple days after with a large black velvet hipaa yamaka this guy was not religious he was not observant and he never wore a kippah of the yamaku in his life and he had a like a soup bowl a huge yamagon so probably something was like yo like what's up like what should happen what what happened over the weekend like what program did you go on he goes what goes you you becoming more observant you're wearing this massive key pie goes nah no so he's like what happened he says you know i was watching the coverage of the pittsburgh shooting because i'm not an observant guy it goes and it dawned on me that there may be a jew that feels a little embarrassed to show his judaism because of that anti-semite i thought to myself in case there's anyone who thinks that we're scared of these guys i want to stick it to their face so i went into the local bookstore first time and i tried to find the biggest jewish symbol i can find but i couldn't get its star david large enough so i walked over to the boxes of these kepot these yarmulkes and i put on the largest one that i can find and i rode the bus and i'm doing it all week just to show the world i want you to know that i'm a jew because i'm never going to stop being proud of my judaism that's what shabbat's all about shabbat is the moment where we hold that kiddush cup in our hand we look up at god and we say we're testifying that you ran this world shabbat is the is the covenant between us and the creator of humanity and we say it with pride the creed of humanity wanted to make a covenant with us we puff up our chests we smile wider we look around and go with the luckiest people in the world and when we think this way and talk this way and act this way to our friends our family and our children we beat anti-semites in every step of the way when we see it and we go after it and we defend each other they try to divide us we bring ourselves closer that's how we beat them we don't out argue them we unite we defend and we increase our pride on behalf of me of mine i was given a gift this week i was able to spend a couple of days in the state of israel there's nothing like it to see your brothers and sisters walk around proud and all over the world we're one family and nothing's going to take us down because we've got god as our dad so on behalf of me and mine too and yours i wish you a shabbat shalom may this be a shabbat full of resilience and strength and pride may we maybe next week experience this shabbat in jerusalem but if not i look forward to seeing you here on the show have a great weekend good shabbos and shabbat shalom we together with every generation they take one raising the haters then hit the [Music] there is [Music] falling down [Music] [Applause] [Music] know [Music] is [Music]