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The Religious Battle Behind the War Over Israel - Rabbi Tovia Singer
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What is behind the growing divide over Israel in America? And what do Ezekiel 38–39, Zechariah, Jeremiah and other passages in Tanakh actually say about Israel's restoration and the events preceding the final redemption? Follow us: https://www.hidabroot.com https://www.youtube.com/@Hidabrootcom https://www.instagram.com/hidabroot_global https://whatsapp.com/channel/0029VbCYZjl1CYoa4ulQIK2q #RabbiToviaSinger #ToviaSinger #Israel #Judaism #Torah #Tanakh #BibleProphecy #BiblicalProphecy #Ezekiel38 #Ezekiel39 #Messiah #Christianity #Islam #ReplacementTheology #ChristianZionism #Jerusalem #Iran #JewishHistory #Antisemitism #Aliyah
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does not blame Jews for killing Jesus.
And the reason for that is that Islam
believes that Jesus was never killed. It
says it explicitly in the 4th chapter
Surah 4:57.
In 636,
the Islamic world went to battle with
the Byzantine Empire and defeated it and
then came here to the land of Israel and
controlled it. Therefore, in Islamic
view, the Jews have been replaced. In
Islamic view, this land belongs to
Islam. The Jews cannot have any control,
any schlit over this land, especially
that they believe that their third
holiest site is here in Jerusalem, the
Alaka mosques.
There's a serious divide happening right
now in America with people like Tucker
Carlson and Candace Owens on one side
and Ted Cruz and Mike Huckabe on the
other all arguing about Israel religion
and what's actually true. At the same
time, Israel is under direct attack from
Iran. This isn't theoretical. It's
happening right now. So the question is,
what does Judaism actually say about all
of this, about Christianity and about
Islam? And there are very few people in
the world who have spent more time
studying, debating, and challenging
these exact ideas than Rabbi Tovia
Singer. Rabbi Singer, it's great to have
you.
>> Thank you for having me.
When you look at this divide, like I
mentioned, with Tucker Carlson and
Candace Owens on one side and figures
like Ted Cruz and Mike Huckabe on the
other side, is this just a political
disagreement or are we watching
long-standing theological tensions
within Christianity towards the Jewish
people resurfacing in real time,
>> right? So, um Ted Cruz is an example or
Mike Huckabe, both of them are Southern
Baptist Christians. Huckabe is an
ordained Southern Baptist minister. He
was a pastor before he was the 14th
governor of the state of Arkansas.
Their version of Christianity is rather
young and rather recent and it emerged
in the United States when a British
theologian
John Nelson Darby came to America in the
19th century and spread a view that was
radical. Although it shouldn't be if you
open up Tanakh. So let's go with the
church and their view. The church's view
is the one that's uh the Candace Owens
view. It's the Tucker Carlson view. It's
a Nick Fuente view. And that's a uh
replacement theology. The church has
always understood the Jewish people as
once being chosen. That's very
important. The church has always viewed
the Jewish people. Even in the Christian
Bible, Paul says this in Romans chapter
3 that the covenant was given to the
Jews and the oracles of God were given
through the Jewish people. Nevertheless,
the church fathers all stated that the
Jewish people were no longer chosen and
were placed by the church. And and this
is very critical, the Jews would never
return to Israel to have sovereignty
again. Moreover, again this is the
Petristic period. So in this period
during the time of the church fathers,
the temple mount looked nothing like it
looks today. Islam only arrives, Muslim
armies only arrive here to Israel in 637
after defeating the Byzantine Empire. So
the Temple Mount was in Hebrew a Kurban.
It was rubble. And the church fathers
saw that as a monument to what was left
of the Jew. That the Jew was finished
because he not only rejected Jesus,
plotted against him, lied about him, and
killed him were responsible for
committing the act of deocide. This is
not an idea that reflects the ranting of
a crazy person like Necuentes. This is
explicitly in the Christian Bible. The
Jews are held accountable for killing
Jesus and are uniquely held accountable
for killing Jesus. All the church
fathers viewed the destruction of the
temple, destruction of the commonwealth,
destruction of Jerusalem as a symbol of
the Jew who was finished with God and
the covenant was done and the church is
the new Israel. This is called covenant
theology, replacement theology,
supersessionism.
They all mean the exact same thing. and
Augustine coaleses this idea as does
John Chrissa. Both of them are highly
revered church fathers. Even Protestants
reverine.
Uh Augustine in his apologetic work
against manism the religion he once
belonged to and in his magnumopus city
of god he stated explicitly that the
Jews he so just a setup the city of god
is an apologetic work the main thrust of
the work is to address the problem is
why was Rome destroyed in 410 why was it
sacked when Rome just converted to
Christianity like what'd you do? Okay,
so he's addressing that, hence the title
of the book, but he also addresses the
status of the Jews. If the Jews are no
longer chosen, if the promise made to
the Jewish people is that they are the
people of God has now they have been
rejected and the church is new Israel.
Then why are there Jews still here? He
didn't come up with all this garbage
that the Jews are not real Jews. He knew
exactly who they were. That stuff is all
modern stuff which we could talk about.
His conclusion was and remains to be the
position of the church and that is that
God has preserved the Jewish people as a
monument just like the temple mount, a
ruined people, a people that cannot and
will not return to the land of Israel
and never have sovereignty again over
Jerusalem. and in his words and Christom
they all said this there wasn't an Oscar
Schindler among them they all there
wasn't like one nice guy they all said
this with one voice listen carefully
that the destruction of Jerusalem
and the destruction of the Jewish people
and their degraded state in exile
demonstrated that Christianity was a
true religion and Judaism was now a
false religion. This is very important
and therefore the return of the Jewish
people to their land. Therefore was a a
monumental problem for the church. Of
course Pope Pas I 10th when approached
by Herzel on an infamous day January
25th 1904 Herzel I think on a full
zerand sought out Pas 10th's uh support
for a Jewish state. Pas the 10th told
him very clearly, you made a very big
mistake in rejecting Christ. We're not
going to uh support your venture for a
Jewish state. Moreover, we can't stop
Jews from coming to Palestine, but if
you do, our priests will surely be
waiting there to baptize the Jews. So
that's the standard of the church. So
that's there's nothing new about that.
And that's why all this weird stuff is
going on because they have to explain,
well, why are the Jews there? The Jews
are not really Jews. How do we know
they're Jews? But certainly to support a
Jewish state, the Jewish state
essentially is a a knockbar is a
complete catastrophe for this theology
instead of re-evaluating.
And there are many Christians, even
Catholics that are are Zionists who
don't buy into this stuff at all because
they have re-evaluated.
But something happens in America and
that's the clash that you're watching
now. John Nelson Derby born in the very
very beginning of the 19th century in
England comes to America. America was a
a country that was fertile ground for
phosmetic views. Now his view is called
premillennial dispensationalism. You've
heard this term knocked around a lot.
We're not going to pay attention to what
those words mean unless you ask me. But
what is gerine to our viewers is that
supersessionism
was the motherload of bad ideas and God
has a unique covenant with the Jewish
people. That's what speaker Johnson
believes. They all these Christian
Zionists believe this that the covenant
that God forged with Israel is eternal
and so so explicitly in the Bible. Mike
Cuckabe the US ambassador to Israel he
quotes Genesis 12. He should also be
quoting numbers chapter 24 where it's
speaking exclusively about the children
of Israel. It's in the oracles of bum.
It's all over Tanakh that the Jews
cannot disappear. Moreover, the Hebrew
Bible says explicitly
that it is the survival of the Jew
despite vicissitudes. It's his
persistent survival that demonstrates
the truthfulness of the God of Israel
and the return and restoration of the
Jew to his land which has happened. That
demonstrates that the God of Israel is
true. That's explicit in the Hebrew
Bible. And the Hebrew Bible, as you well
know, is not a a whitewashing
of the Jewish people. all our mistakes
and the mistakes of our greatest leaders
are there on these pages for all the
world to see. So that's what we see
right now is a split. Now Charlie Kirk
who headed the most influential
uh organization in the Republican party
was tragically murdered. Uh do not
believe for a moment that he can be
replaced. There will not be another
Charlie Kirk. He was a remarkable man.
And right now there's a battle. There's
a battle for November 2028. The battle
for the heart and soul of the Republican
party. And therefore, as we would
expect, it is conservatives, meaning
people who are who are you supporters of
Trump who are now fighting for the
destiny. Who is going to be the next
candidate? And who should Republicans
talking about? We talk about
evangelicals in America. We're talking
about 70 million about one out of every
five Americans.
What direction is it going in? Is it
going in the direction of Tucker
Carlson? Is it going in the direction of
Nick Fuentes? Meaning a is it's not that
he's an isolationist. It's just he's an
isolation when it comes to Israel. He's
a he's a verent anti-semite. He's people
should not should stop saying that he's
taking money from Qatar. He might be. I
don't know. But it it is it what that
does is it misdirects people to think
that he has an ulterior motive. His
guiding principle is to destroy the
Jewish people and to destroy Israel.
He's an isolationist in the way that Pat
Buchanan was.
I want to just make a point that I
haven't heard anyone make and it's just
so important.
For a moment, if just think about this.
If there were a nuclear exchange between
Iran and Israel, okay, let's say you
don't care about either country,
it would create an existential threat to
the survival of the United States
because a nuclear winter would emerge
from it. Just like India and Pakistan,
two countries, its borders are
relatively in the modern period 1947.
Both of them went became nuclear powers
in the 1990s. If they were to go to war,
let's say just for a moment, you don't
care about them personally. If they were
to have a nuclear exchange, the world
would be transformed forever. What
Donald Trump ha has done, whether you
whatever you think about him, it is he
literally saved the world by destroying
Iran's nuclear um material and his and
their ability to deliver it. But it is
very much so therefore it doesn't make
sense that America first if you're
America first you do not want a nuclear
exchange. So this doesn't make sense
politically. This is completely
theological and that's the divide.
Divided is over what is called
dispensationalism or Christian Zionism
or people who oppose replacement
theology and those who are the oldtime
Christians.
>> Now speak a little bit about the timing
of it. Uh it seems that you know all of
a sudden Tucker Carlson and Kenneth
Owens they they flipped at, you know,
some point after October 7th. Um and we
didn't hear them speak this way before
that. Um is there did they always have
these views? Were they hiding it that
something happened that that suddenly
made them change their views? Candace is
hard to pin down because in that she
went from one extreme where she was just
as pro-Israel as you could be to this
adopting the Roman Catholicism of her
husband George Farmer. So George Farmer
is a Roman Catholic who embraces what's
called a radical traditional Roman
Catholicism and that version of
Catholicism rejects the second Vatican
council which was convened by Pis the
23rd who genuinely was a phlosemite who
becomes pope on October 20th 1958.
Uh the the most controversial part of of
the second Vatican council is a document
you know noete the fourth section is
about the Jews and most germanine is
that the Jews today are refers to the
Jews very positively our elder brother
and anti-semitism is um opposed by the
church and all the anti-semitic liturgy
had to be removed it was positive in
every way it does not uh no jateet does
not say that the Jews are chosen or
anything like that or that you know that
supersessionism we oppose super it
doesn't go that far but it is very very
positive in every way so Candace has
adopted her husband's extreme he's
called a rad tread a radical
traditionalist
um she has adopted now is people talk
about her relationship with Kanye West I
don't follow, you know, Kanye West
unfortunately is not well. He concedes
that he suffers from bipolar. He should
only have Rush Lima. But I I can't speak
to that. I can only speak to the
theology. Now Tucker is different.
Tucker worked for he he's been in
broadcasting for a very long time and
he's very skilled at it. Very few people
have the skill set he does in front of a
camera. But he worked for 15 years for
Fox News. is if you work for Fox News,
you you can't be anti-Israel. They'll
throw you out on your head. Tragically,
I say tragically because I speak to the
people who work at Fox. They ask like,
"Why'd you fire him?" Because once Fox
fired him, he was free to say and
express whatever ideas he wished to. He
was no longer constrained and that
unleashed him. I always knew
that he was no friend of Israel. That
was always transparent. But he had to be
very very careful. So for instance in
the old days you had Pat Buchanan uh who
was the guy running around um defending
John Demanuk if you remember he was the
guy on Crossfire the conservative voice
in Curtis Crossfire in the 1990s. Tucker
took over for him in 2000 about in 2000
on Crossfire. So Tucker very much comes
from that view. But while he worked for
Fox News, he had to be very very careful
and very constrained. The people who
work at Fox who I know tell me you have
no idea how taxy he was.
What can I say? I you know he it was
just um untenable. He was very
profitable to Fox but for whatever
reason he couldn't stay there. Once he
was out of Fox he was then free to go.
And of course, as he sees Trump, Trump
is obviously extremely pro-Israel. There
never was a Donald Trump. There never
will be another Donald Trump. His father
was the same way. That whole family has
a a deep affection for Israel, for
Jewish people. And of course, he's
conservative. That's a natural
relationship. But Trump has to be very,
very careful right now because the
midterms election midterm elections are
not here yet. And while of course the
executive branch is well Trump's there
and the judicial branch is now
conservative, the um the legislative
branch will be up for grabs. So Trump
has to be very very cautious right now
about not alienating Tucker's uh
constituency in the Republican party.
>> Now of course we have millions of
Christians that genuinely love Israel
and the Jewish people. Can Christians be
true allies of the Jewish people and be
faithful to the New Testament?
>> Let me just say this. If you're looking
for flattering things about Jews, I
would not recommend the Christian Bible.
If you're a Christian watching this,
please don't be offended. I think most
Christians I know Christ so many
Christian Zionists who really have to
work hard to explain certain passages in
the Christian Bible which hold the Jews
uniquely responsible for killing Jesus
and they do and they explain them. The
church fathers were not crazy. They
weren't lunatics. But I want to get back
to this. It's very clear.
All right. I unless you want me to go
very deep into this. People are really
arguing over three chapters in the book
of Romans. It's Paul's most influential
and its longest letter. And it's
particular, it's specifically Romans 9
through11, which could be which is,
believe it or not, those three chapters
are marshaled by both sides of this
argument of replacement theology. Um the
people who are Christians, Zionists who
love Israel have a very good case
because Paul and again full disclosure
I'm not a Christian. Uh but if you want
to know what Paul meant, Paul said
explicitly that the there was a period
of time where the Gentiles need to be
brought in uh and and the the natural
branches are broken away. But this is a
a special unique providential moment in
time. And the the branches that are
grafted in should not boast. And he says
that the promises made to Israel cannot
be undone, cannot be destroyed. He says
it explicitly in Romans 11 29. So
therefore, Paul is very explicit that
there's a certain plan here in time,
which is a time for the Gentiles to be
saved, but that the promises God made to
the Jewish people are irrevocable. He
says that explicitly. So therefore, the
people who believe in replacement
theology don't have a very good case.
Now, the reason why most people reading
these passage will not understand any of
this is for the following reason. This
is worth 60 seconds.
The New Testament, I'm going to just
change that and just say the letters of
Paul. And that's where all the theology
comes from, not from the Gospels, is
using the term Jew rhetorically in two
different ways. And this is what messes
everyone up. So the word Jew is used in
Paul's letters conventionally, the
Jewish people, like the Jews gave us the
oracles of God. But it's used in another
way that's completely different. And
that is that the Jew means those who are
Christians, those who are saved, those
who are heirs to the blessing. They are
the true children of Sarah. It actually
says it in Galatians chapter 4. So there
now what people who believe in
supersessionism must do is they have to
conflate the two. So when Paul says in
Romans chapter 2 28 and 29 that he is
the Jew is not the one who is outwardly
a Jew who's outwardly circumcised. He
means the Jew rhetorically there as the
person who is saved. He does not mean
the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and
Jacob. We see that explicitly because in
the very next verse literally Romans
chapter 3:1 he said, "Is it not
wonderful to be a Jew? is not wonderful
to be uh it is and now the reason why
Paul has to be very careful in the book
of Romans is that his audience who he's
never met it's his last of all of his
letters although it appears first in the
Christian cannon is writing to an
audience he's never met and has is has
both the Jews and non-Jews who are
reading it or the recipients of it so
therefore what supersessionists must do
and it's easy to do this is to conflate
these two discrete distinct
um
usages of the term Jew and just conflate
them together and then you really can
produce the kind of replacement theology
that you hear all over the blog sphere.
I want to speak a little bit about the
war with Iran. People are saying that
this could be the beginning of the end
of times. From a Jewish perspective,
what signs are you seeing? Maybe you
could speak a little bit about that.
>> This is very transparent. this we are
very much in the last stage of an order
of events leading up to the final
redemption. You know the evening
uh the festival the meal that is
pregnant with more commandments and more
tradition and customs than any other is
the meal that we eat on the night the
15th day of the first month. And if I
were to do a survey and asking a
committee, what should we call this
meal? I don't even think the word seder
would be in the top 10. But that meal is
called a seder in order. It's an order
of 15 discrete events, one following the
other. It's we are in that order of a
redemptive process. there the endtime
war which must happen immediately before
the Messiah comes requires that the Jews
return to the land of Israel after
Jacob's trouble. So I just want to lay
out this order. Jeremiah chapter by the
way all Christians will agree with this.
This is just everything I'm saying is
just there's nothing there's no
conspiracy here. So Jeremiah 30:7
explicitly talks about the destruction
of the Jewish people. The worst
destruction of the Jewish people.
Jeremiah is writing that 2 and a half
thousand years ago he lived in a bad
time. He's saying there's a time coming
that there is no parallel to it. It's a
time of great tribulation for Jacob.
However,
those are the last two words and from it
will come your deliverance. The state of
Israel is born out of the ashes of the
Holocaust. That's the Jews must return
to the land of Israel prior to the
coming of the Messiah. Two, Jerusalem
must be in their hands. Zechariah 12.
This must occur. This is explicit once
the Jews re in fact we have in Daniel 8
the precise dating for when Jerusalem
would come back to the hands of the
Jewish people. I'm not going to I don't
want to confuse the audience. The key is
then nations come to attack Israel over
the status of Jerusalem. Explicitly
Jerusalem be a heavy burdensome stone to
all those who come against it. See
Zechariah 12 3 and 4. Everything I'm
saying incidentally again is
non-controversial.
All Christians who I mean who know their
Bible I mean people who are you don't
have to be a professor but people who
know all everything I'm saying is very
clear then what happens is a massive
attack against the Jewish people a even
though we are very successful in that
we're able to destroy our enemies.
I will destroy all the enemies who come
against Jerusalem. But nevertheless,
there's a massive attack against the
Jewish people that causes a mourning
among the children of Israel. This no
doubt is October 7th. Now, let's move to
Persia.
In that 2500 years ago, that the prophet
would tell us that Israel's implacable
enemy is Persia is counterintuitive at
that time. Why? Because Persia was in
the past in the ancient world a rather
benign empire towards the Jews. After
all, it was Koresh Cyrus who told the
Jews, "Go back and build a temple after
the Babylonian exile." So it makes no
sense. And the Persian Empire, the
Cisanian Empire was always friendly
towards the Jews. There were exceptions,
but basically was a friendly. Moreover,
Persia is not an Arab country and it
shares no border with Israel and there's
more than a thousand kilometers between
us, which means it in the ancient world,
it would have be impossible for Israel
and Persia to go to war against each
other because there there's a whole
bunch of land in between. Now, if we
were talking about an Arab country, so
it's true Yeshu, the the Arabs, the
Benshel and the Yitzk or the Jews had a
a tenuous relationship, but the Talmet
says openly that the end of days uh
Yeshua would repent, would turn back to
the Jewish people. Ezekiel 38 is where
we get all of this from. Ezekiel is
although he is not the only prophet who
articulates this end time war. In fact,
the last third of the book of Zechariah
is about this war. But Ezekiel gives us
like he always does provides copious
details that there's just no parallel to
it. He says explicitly that God is going
to drag the enemies of Israel to war.
Literally like putting hooks in the
mouth of the beast. See Ezekiel 38
verse4 verse 5 it's Persia along with
its yoyatam. All of its allies its
proxies are going to go to war with
Israel. God is going to destroy them
utterly completely. It then goes back
and says they're going to see Israel an
open area where there are no bars or
gates. They're going to attack and
that's going to ignite the fury of the
Almighty. See Ezekiel 38 9 10 11 12 13.
It's explicitly there. I'm just going to
just skip over the 39 all talks about
the destruction of the enemies of Israel
utterly destroyed. I want to concentrate
on the last passages from Ezekiel 39:21
1-29. I plead with you the viewer.
I know sometimes the prophets could be
intimidating. These chapters are not.
They're very easy to read and you're
never going to hear this from a rabbi.
You don't need a commentary.
Moreover, I'll even say this. The
commentaries
of the ancient world and the medieval
period said that the the generation of
the gula, the generation that lives
during the time of the redemption will
understand these passages better than we
do and we shouldn't speculate on them.
Well, we're in that. Therefore, we see
things like you and I don't know each
other. However, I could say with
confidence that you, Daniel, your great
greatgrandfather
150 years ago could not have imagined
what's happening right now. If you told
him, he would have just lost his mind.
But it's happening now. Now, we're told
explicitly that the world will watch
this conflict. Verse 21. And all the
nations of the world because of this war
and because of the destruction
of Persia and Voyatam and its proxies,
its helpers, the all the nations will
know that I am Lord. Next verse, Israel
will know that I am Lord. These verses
cannot possibly refer to the church or
replacement. The none of that is
possible. The reason is simple. Continue
reading. The text then says, "Look, you
the children of Israel, because of your
sins, you were sent to exile. Because of
your faithlessness, you were sent to
lands abroad." So the text is clearly
identifying Jewish history. This is
unmistakable. However, I am going to
return you back to this land and I'm
going to restore you and I will destroy
all your enemies. And that's why this
war is taking place right now between
Persia and Israel. It said that the old
world, this is the last section of
Jewish history before the Messiah comes.
The nations will see the victory of
Israel, the destruction of the enemies.
Then the nations will know that I am
Lord. And that is the moment we are
right now.
>> Let's speak for a little bit about
Islam. What do you think Islam gets
right? What does it get wrong? And are
the extremists twisting Islam or is it
following it exactly the way it's meant
to be?
>> So theologically Islam is respected as a
true monotheism and as one that uh does
not blame Jews for killing Jesus. And
the reason for that is that Islam
believes that Jesus was never killed.
Says it explicitly in the fourth chapter
surah 4 verse 157. So Jewish life in
Islamic lands uh was comparatively
speaking better. However, Muslims
believe that the world could be divided
into two parts. Uh one section is dar
Islam lands that were in the hands of
the Islamic world. And I'll translate it
land dra by the way in Hebrew means like
a dra. It means an abode
and of war, lands of war. It means lands
that have never been in Islamic hands.
In 636,
the Islamic world went to battle with
the Byzantine Empire and defeated it and
then came here to the land of Israel and
controlled it. Not every moment the
Christians came here and probably had a
century uh in this land. But therefore
in Islamic view the Jews have been
replaced. In Islamic view this land
belongs to Islam. While the Jews enjoy
protection if they pray pay an
appropriate tax. They can't be uh forced
to convert to Islam. So we're a
protected uh group. But the Jews cannot
have any control any over this land.
especially that they believe that the
their third holiest site is here in
Jerusalem, the Alaka mosque. So to the
Islamic world
that the Jews have defeated Islamic
armies and they're here in the land of
Israel is a absolute catastrophe. In
fact, that term catastrophe is used to
describe the state of Israel and Nakbar.
It has to be it's a blight that has to
be undone. There are some Muslims who I
know very well who are Zionists
incidentally cuz this idea of dar Islam
is not in the Quran. It's not mentioned
there. But nevertheless uh the vast
majority of the Islamic world held these
views and I use the word held because
there's something startling happening
and that is that because we have a
tradition after Yeshua gives kadimus how
do I translate that uh
when right when Abraham passes away. So
it says and Isaac and Ishmael. So Isaac
goes first and went to bury
uh their father inv's
only 30 minutes from where I am right
now. Um so the Gmorra in Bavabas the
Talmet says that in fact Ishmael did
Chuva repents and in some way the Benish
at the end of days will return back to
the people of Israel. What is very
striking is like why Persia? And one of
the things that's happening right now,
which I certainly
put, you know, we're living, it's God's
world and we're living in it. What's
happening is Iran strangely is attacking
the Sunni Gulf states. Uh by so doing,
Persia is driving the Arabs into a
friendship and a relationship with
Israel. So whereas the Arab world viewed
um Israel as the greatest threat meaning
they were looking west and saying that's
our greatest threat. They are now
looking east and going no our greatest
threat is in Iran. Iran is a Shia
country. It has been a Shia country
since the very very early 16th century.
And for those who don't know there are
no Shia Muslims here in Israel. and
Sunni Muslims which comprise about 90%
of the Islamic world consider Shia Islam
to be complete idolatry. That means if a
Muslim is going to speak transparently
to you, I have a lot of friends who are
Muslims. They will tell me explicitly
they believe that Judaism is closer to
Sunni Islam than she is. They consider
Shia Islam to be a complete uh even
though it began as a political split in
the very early days of the Islamic world
uh because of their beliefs they
consider Shia to be the complete heresy.
So it's very striking that this is the
time we're living in right now.
>> Now although they have this divide it
seems that they were united in order to
destroy Israel, right? I mean Iran and
its proxies are Sunni Shi divide. Is
that correct?
>> Right. So its proxies in Lebanon are
Shia. Hezbollah is a Shia are as I said
there are no Shia in Israel that I know
of. But in Lebanon there are plenty. But
the Hamas in Gaza, those are all Sunnis
as the Arabs in Judea and Samaria are
Sunnis.
and they were able to set aside their
differences for the common goal of
destroying Israel.
>> At the Quran, it speaks about the land
of Israel belonging to the Jewish
people, right? Is that is that their
earth is like that?
>> That's correct.
>> Why do they deny I mean they don't speak
about these verses? It seems like you
don't really hear about it.
>> Oh, so the Muslim will tell you that the
Jews were chosen. It's very very clear
in the Quran. However, because they
rejected the teachings of Issa, meaning
Jesus, so in their in the view of Islam,
Jesus was a not just a prophet, but he
was what's called a rasool, which means
that he had a specific message. So, he
had a Sharia means a a written message
and his message was to the Jews. And
that message is to keep the Torah. And
because the Jews rejected Jesus' Sharia
which just means message. So therefore
they lost their choseness and now uh
Islam has totally replaced Israel. So
they all it's like the radical
tradition. Now I I want to say it's the
Muslims. I don't mean to because they'd
be very offended by this and some things
I'm saying they might be offended by but
I don't want to be offended by the wrong
thing. So Islam is complete replacement
theology that the Jews were chosen.
Israel was given to the Jews. The
promises were made to the they all
believe that. However, the Jews lost
that because they rejected Jesus. In the
case of Christianity, that's why it's
much worse with Christianity. With
Christianity, we actually killed Jesus
in Islam. We didn't really kill the guy.
He only ascended. He's going to come
back and rule for 40 years and get
married and have a wife and kids and
then die. So therefore the rage in the
Christian world the and the New
Testament itself says things that are
much more extreme about the Jews and the
Quran does. But um yes Islam is a
complete replacement theology in that
that the Muslims are have are the chosen
people are the people.
>> You mentioned that the New Testament
speaks worse about Jews than than the
Quran does. Correct?
>> Yeah. Yes. How come it seems that
that Muslims nowadays are more
anti-semitic
than Christians?
>> The anti-semitism in the Islamic world
is rife, but it's all plagiarized. It's
Christian anti-semitism which they just
re
just they just copied and pasted it. I
don't say demeaningly. They just they
just borrowed it all. Just like the
communists were godless, but they
borrowed all the the caricature of the
Jew of the Orthodox Church, which the
Soviets hated Christianity. They were
godless, but they were very happy to
borrow the anti-semitism that was in in
in Zarus, Russia. So therefore,
Islam, if there were no state of Israel
or or very simple, if all the Jews in
Israel would say, "We're converting to
Islam,
there would be there would be no issue
at all." Then they would could care less
about Palestine. They care less about
Palestine. None of that would none of
that would matter. The key is that Jews
are here in control of Ela, in control
of Jerusalem, in control of a land that
was called by Islam. Therefore, Israel
must be eradicated. Either could be
through total destruction, which the
Arabs try to do in the war of in in all
the wars they try to do, or they'll do
it through peace meal, through, you
know, uh we'll take it piece by piece
and we'll have a hood, have some sort of
relationship with Israel, and then
eventually we'll use that as a platform
to eradicate them. But if there were no
state of Israel, things will be very
different. I do not. It is when Muslims
um portray Jewish life in Islamic lands
as a complete honeymoon. That's not
accurate either. But you cannot compare
the life of a Jew in Islamic hands,
meaning in Islamic lands in history to
what Jewish life was in Christian land.
There just there's no parallel to it.
Jewish life in the Islamic world prior
to the state of Israel, prior to Zionism
just there's you can't compare the two.
If Jew a Jew was willing to live as a
deheim and pay his taxes and so on, it
wasn't perfect. There were puggrams.
There were there were programs long
before Zionism. There were there were
forced conversion of Jews in Persia. It
happened. But it's there's no parallel
to what happened to the experience.
There was no Holocaust. There was no
parallel to what happened to Jews in
Christian land. You just can't compare
the two.
>> A few weeks ago, Tucker Carlson was
speaking about how state of Israel went
to war and wants to shoot down the
Golden Dome, the the mosque, so that
they can rebuild the temple. This is
something that got millions of views.
But how how wrong is this? We can't just
rebuild the temple that way.
>> Let me just be very clear. If Charlie
Kirk had given his speech at Hebrew
University
anywhere here in Israel, he'd be alive
today. That means Christians are
protected in Israel and Christian sites
are protected in the in this land.
Bethlehem has I don't even think 10% of
Bethlehem has Christian is Christian any
longer. and Bethlehem was 70 years ago
Christian. Uh let's say 80% of his
Christian. Conversely, in contrast,
Nazareth, which is under Israel's
control, Christian life is flourishing.
So, it's just the opposite. Here is
where Christian sites are protected.
This is where Christians are protected.
Now, when he talks about a third temple,
he should be very careful. You know,
Tucker uh admitted
I think it was a few weeks ago that he
just read the Bible for the first time
last year. All right. I don't even
believe he did that, but it's very clear
in the Hebrew Bible that there will be a
temple. That means he's claiming to be a
Christian. He says he's an Episcopal and
have no reason to not believe him. But
Episcopalians believe that the book of
Ezekiel is the word of God. And I
encourage Tucker Carlson to open up his
Bible and it's there. I would encourage
him to read a chapter called the Valley
of Dry Bones which talks about the
restoration of the Jewish people and the
last four passages. And I I encourage
Tucker to use your whatever translation
you want. There will be a sanctuary that
will be rebuilt in Jerusalem and there
will be a covenant of peace that God
will make. Moreover, from Ezekiel
chapter 40-48, we have Kop's details,
unused blueprints of a third temple.
This is not written by some crazy
Zionist. This is written by Ezekiel,
who's a prophet who your church
considers the word of God. Now, Tucker,
I challenge you to take your Bible and
throw it in the garbage if you don't
believe in it. But this is not a an idea
that some Zionist or the Netanyahu
government, which he keeps referring to
as we didn't come up with this. This is
in the Bible that Christians consider
the word of God. So I would be very
careful about what you're saying.
Scripture is very clear that there will
be a temple built. But no, look, we all
have crackpots. I'm not saying we don't
have a nut job somewhere in Israel. And
I'm sure there are plenty of Christian
crazy. We're not talking about them. No
one is interested in destroying
anything. However, there is a promise
that the temple will be rebuilt in
Jerusalem. and we trust the God of
Israel. He'll keep his promise that
nobody's fighting to destroy Alak.
They're all safe as long as they're
under the protection of the Jewish
people. And in fact, it was the church,
Tucker's religion that destroyed the
Islamic sites, not the Jews.
>> Right now, the pressure is coming from
both the left and the the right. Is that
something new? Is the anti-semitism that
we're experiencing today different than
something in the past? I've never seen
anything like it. Neither of you. Um the
Overton window has has simply been
demolished completely. There's there's
nothing and it's counterintuitive. One
would think October 7th. I mean there's
just for those who don't have who have
even a preuncter knowledge, there's just
no parallel to it of a terror attack
against Jerusalem. We think of Crystal.
So, Chris on November 10th, 1938, which
was the precursor event of the
Holocaust,
92 Jews were murdered on that night,
which marked Luther's birthday. There's
there's no parallel to,200 Jews being
murdered in a matter of hours. Um, the
Kishna Pgrams of 1903 on Passover,
uh, which had a tectonic impact on the
Jewish world. Jabatinski he didn't live
in Kishna but he lived a few towns over
that's what transformed him in that uh
pgram which took place over two days on
Passover about 50 Jews were murdered so
there's no parallel to this one would
think
that the a window of sympathy would have
opened that in that Hamas went well with
Israel but the reverses occurred now
there were always David Dukes out there
they were but they were considered
crazies he's in French and people didn't
pay attention to them and they were you
know interviewed on Phil Donnu's show as
as crackpots but today what Tucker is
doing and he's very smart he's
interviewing these people like Nick
Fuentes who willing to say things that
even he won't say who's the man is an
open racist white supremacist
anti-semite Christian identity
just I I don't even know what words to
say about him and he simply interviews
him and when Nick Fuente says that he's
a fan of Stalin, I don't know if the
viewers understand the magnitude of what
he's saying. Stalin is responsible for
the murder of let's say 20 million
people. I mean Stalin fan of Stalin. So,
and Tucker say let's just, you know,
let's pin that. So, he's bringing on
people who's saying that Churchill is
the villain of World War II rather than
Hitler. So, that's what Tucker is doing.
He is simply um laundering the extreme
and therefore the Overton window I mean
the the window of acceptable discourse
is just completely demolished and he's
doing that very effectively and I
encourage people to take him very
seriously. His guiding principle of the
destruction of the Jews in Israel.
>> It seems that speaking of Tucker that
when he has Nick Fuentes on people like
that he gives them very easy interviews.
He doesn't push back on But when he has
somebody Ted Cruz or Mike Huckabe, he
attacks them, doesn't let them speak. I
mean, it's just two different styles
that he has. I mean, obviously people
that he disagrees with, he has more of a
combative tone. I mean, is that
>> correct assessment?
>> Yes. Yes. Tucker has an extraordinary
skill set. He's not a journalist. He's
an activist. His goal is to destroy
Israel. I There's more I can tell you
about. I'll leave it off air and and let
let the Trump administration work out
what's what it needs to work out. Trump
knows exactly what he's doing. But
that's correct. When he had on Nick
Fuentes on, when he had on all these
clowns on verent anti-semites, he gives
them a wide birth and nothing is
challenged. when he brings on um Ted
Cruz, who's a Christian Zionist, a
remarkable man, brings on or is
interviewed by M Mike Huckabe in
Israel's airport. I mean, after saying
that he hates Christian Zionists more
than anyone. I mean, the New Testament
says, "Love your enemy, let alone fellow
Christians, that's insane."
So, my husband is a very nice guy, and I
I had the pleasure to give him tours of
Israel. He's really quite a fellow and a
very strong cr. So it's a two different
worlds. So he has the skill set to know
how to go after those he disliked
because he's not a journalist. He's an
activist. His goal, as I said, is to
destroy Israel and he's very effective
at what he does. But Trump is watching
everything.
>> Now, what should Christians watching
this understand about Jews and the state
of Israel clearly? Uh if you had to give
them a message or two, what what would
it be?
We have a God who made a promise and he
made a promise and it goes like this and
Christians will appreciate Jeremiah 31
and they know exactly why. So there's a
promise made by the God of Israel and he
says the following. Look up at the sky.
Do you see the sun? Look up at the sky
at night. The stars and the moon
illuminated. If the very foundations of
the earth can be measured, so will I
cast off the seed of Jacob for being a
nation before me. Jeremiah 30:3 says
that the Jews must return back to the
land of Israel. So therefore, I I say
this to Christians. It's in the Bible.
The restoration of the Jewish people.
The covenant that God made with Israel
is irrevocable. Cannot be undone. Not by
the United Nations, not by a quartet,
not by Tucker Carlson. So it's the
scripture that I really are guiding us.
And we're living in a remarkable time. I
also want to say this that there are
there are a lot of Catholics who are
watching us right now and I want to say
this that it is true that the church
fathers made these claims. There's
nothing that could be said about because
I have a lot of Catholic Zionists who
who talked to me and asked me how do we
deal with all these passages. I said,
"You're going to have a problem with the
church fathers because you can see
always it's the church fathers, you
know, when when Sean had on this priest
on, always quoting the church fathers."
In Catholic theology, the church fathers
could have been wrong about these
issues. And a a Catholic Zionist can
believe that it is God's providential
plan to bring the Jews back to the land
of Israel. This is not ex cathedral that
the Jews are cannot return back to the
land of Israel. The church fathers said
that but that's not from the
magisterium. There is no dogma like that
in the Catholic church. And therefore
what that I don't remember her name
whatever her name she came a Catholic 20
minutes before that who proclaimed that
Catholics can't be Zionists. I I don't
know where she's pulling this stuff out
of the church. The Catholic Church never
made that statement. Now, it's true that
the church fathers never imagined their
wildest dreams that the Jews would ever
return. But nevertheless, it's there's
nothing in the text would that would
ever suggest this for a Roman Catholic.
This is not from the magisterium. This
is not um ex cathedral that the Jews
would never return. And there are many
there are millions of Roman speaker of
the house, new Gingrich, Roman Catholic.
They believe it's God's providence or
plan to bring the Jews back to the land
of Israel. There are millions of
Catholics like this around the world.
>> I want to ask you a final question. You
did live outside of Israel for I guess
many, many years and uh at some point
you made aliyah. What do you have to say
to Jews that are outside of the land of
Israel right now and their connection to
the state of Israel?
>> Read Numbers 33:53.
I mean, you could just read it for
yourself. You don't need any commentary,
but if you like commentaries, read
Nakmanades, what he says there. Read his
commentary on this remarkable oracle
that it's a mitzvah to live in the land
of Israel. And not only that, it one
must uh hold on to the land of Israel
whether Messiah is here or not here.
There are mitzvah in the Torah that
cannot be fulfilled anywhere but the
land of Israel. When Moses, our teacher
of blessed memory, entreated God to come
to the land of Israel, Joshua would lead
the nation. Just let me go. The Tomman
asked the question, why did Moses want
to come to Israel? Did he want to stick
his feet in the caner? It wasn't
interesting. There are mitzvos that can
only be fulfilled here in the land of
Israel. Look, let me say this to you.
Let me be very plain. And I want to
speak to the Jews living in Miami, the
Jews who are living in Chicago, New
York, Los Angeles.
You could practice Judaism in the United
States. You can practice Judaism in
Toronto and Montreal, but you can only
live it here in the land of Israel. It's
time to come home.
>> Thank you, Rabbi Singer. I truly
appreciate your time and your thoughts
and everything that you shared with me.
Where can people find more about you if
you want to let them know how they can
find you?
>> Please. So, I have a website um
outreachjudaism.org or and a web p and a
a YouTube channel just my name Toby
Singer. I just for full disclosure most
of my life is dedicated to responding to
the questions the pressing questions
that Christians are asking of why
Judaism doesn't accept the Christian
Messiah. And I respond to these issues
raised by Jews for Jesus and other
groups. And you'll find this in both
YouTube and on outreachjudaism.com
or.org. Thank you every singer. Truly
appreciate your time.
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