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The Rebbe’s And Chabad position on Zionism And politics, Rabbi Gedalya Oberlander - 5785
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Yesterday, everybody knows the date was
higher. What's
higher? Some people celebrate and say
hallelujah and some people fast that
day. Now what is the approach
of and what is
the in this whole uh Zionist movement
you know the whole medina is how is the
the look the approach of the reba of the
rabbi on this
Indian in the end we're going to
touch a mashi on the votes which go
which goes now through the world's sign
in this
organization which some people say you
should vote some people say shouldn't
shouldn't vote you know touch on it and
drop but basically first I want to uh
make a clarity which is a very very
important topic because
uh a lot of by us anash totally got it
wrong and mitad
uh some things which they saw the rebba
did and said they got right, wrong, the
whole
They
took and they went way way way far.
So therefore I want to make clarity a
little bit in this
ma we see by by the rabb from one side
we see radical
uh sayings against the zionist
movement other side we see the rebed
that you shouldn't give other support
the rebought that you shouldn't give
give backto the reb was mikv um and took
or even uh other times uh people which
were involved in the government of of
Israel. The Reb was uh that hold that if
a person does not land in yeshiva, a
married person if he does not land in
yeshiva should join the army if it's a
in a in a mat that he could uh it's it's
it's kosher for Yiddish. If it's
anger which is Yiddish guide then if you
don't learn then you should go there.
guy name. So there's a big uh you know
uh ability so to speak if you look at
it
is what what what do we know about the
saying this of of the Zionist movement
now we all know the
famous was a I don't know say how do you
say it but but
huh fanatic. No, I'm a
snag is a worse than
strongly opposed the Zionist movement
even if it were would have been a
government very sharp very sharp and
it's printed this whole thing is printed
everybody can take it out in the hagdum
of kintay there's a very sharp
letters and the whole the shab movement
There was once a yeet, his name was
Shinburgger. A lot of people heard of
him. He was the
masides and he used to come to America
for money and other things. And he went
into the reb more than once. And he once
asked the
rebba ban the reb was a big koi and the
rebiko and the rebba answered him this
is a story which I heard from I heard it
from all the sources but I heard it from
that's a very real source because he
knew on a personal level and told asked
him what are you talking about we just
recently printed over the kintay with
the and all the People should know and
understand that this whole is is
the same as as it was once. What are you
talking about?
Not only
that, not only
that, there's such thing as the
giml. Now if you go you take the moa and
you see a lot of the first part the
third part third first third part of the
is regarding the now
writes it's very
harsh and theb
old there was there was a lot of other
which hold it's not first of all some
say it's
only it's it's a the whole the
whole is only says but even the say it
is a is a concept there's a lot of
person hold that the three the Three go
together. The first one of the isalis
should not be mos and go to ru against
against against the the wishes of the
nations. Then there's another for the
nations that they shouldn't suppress
khali's rule very harsh. So a lot of
hold that it's
connected the three. If the are
suppressing kal's rule very hard then
the other is also null void. The
rabbi did not hold like that the whole
is and is also to have a
medina even when it is everything is
from it's not it's not secular
from whatever it should be it's
also not only that the rebb went a step
further and of theb met with theb and
the rebba said for theb that basically
there's no such thing as the out of
day because all the nations the United
Nations agreed that Khal's rule may you
have that Eden can have a Medina so
there's no such thing as which a lot of
contemporary po like that the Rabbi
answered him if this is your whole uh
that you it's not a promise
because the nations agree that you
should have a nation then tomorrow the
United Nations is going to vote against
this whole Jewish state and then you're
back to square one so the reb said,
"No, the only reason why I hold that day
has to exist
is since over there, you cannot just say
like some wants to say you just give
back the keys and the you give back the
keys you have October
7." We know also
that 1948
Yeah, it's published imprinted in my
Malik the day which was was the the the
vote was that it should become a a
Jewish
state I don't think I remember who who
the guys one of the old saw the reb was
when around 770 you
know you know hyped not
hyped what worked worked up so we went
over to the Reb, you know, why you so
you know why, you know, we got the
votes. So the Reb says this, we waited
2,000 years. This is the thing which we
saw for 2,000 years to get this. This is
what we have. This is it.
Okay. A minus. It was a plus. was a big
sim. The people were dancing in the
streets and saying halb is
great as as you we know the famous
letter which the rebba wrote for the ni
of madin's rule beni and the rebba did
not they title
him's rule and he wrote to the rebb are
you talking you know am I high and the
famous answer is the rebba answered
him that's the
language from when I went to and Even
before
that I started to fantasizing and
imagining that's the real word imagining
how the gil is going to
be which is going to be such a gill we
we understand and we going to say it was
worth the 2,000 years being in exile in
golas and we're going to understand the
whole golas And over there then it's
going to be which was going to
be and therefore when I give a look at I
don't have the heart and I kind of bring
myself to write on you because that's
not ani and he wrote him in the face you
know which you are still in golas and
we're still suffering I cannot do it I'm
sorry. So we we see we got a bit of the
picture of the
drebb
never
said this doesn't
exist this word wasn't in the reb's
mouth
was and they as the
why and the rebel have as a letter again
everything is documented as a letter the
reb that's not the name is rule he gave
and you know
Never. Not only that, there was we all
know was a lot of years we didn't have
did not have the of the
Reb was had a shisha but there was a
dinner which in order to to uh how do
you say to uh one of the nunam to
satisfy him and he demanded you should
sing the at the dinner. Yeah. And once
the Reb heard that there was song that
by that by by the dinner the Reb says
I'm sorry I don't want to have this and
the reb took off the for years it took
years they should beg and beg and beg
and the rebitions they put it back so
again the reb was radical against the
Zionist movement radical
bringing politics there's no
you You know the freed once said the
rebu was a big supporter of tira. Let me
let me bring it to your attention. Big
supporter. How do I know? I know it
because I have the letters of real
simmer. Real simmer was the canoi number
one. And the reb was a big supporter.
Not only is a big supporter. He wrote a
whole cipher against which is called
it's three languages of Hebrew is
called and in Yiddish is called the
tomb the the Medina and the Edenum. And
there's also in English who's huh
gimmelus. And who sponsored the the the
publication of it? Who sponsored it? Who
paid for it in ZB? He paid for it. And
not only that, the Reb wrote for him at
the before he was finished with the
book. The Reb wrote over and
said, "It's not sharp enough, but I'm
not going to make you write her over
because you should you should publish
it. Reb is not sharp enough." And
believe me, I know this book. I have it.
It's
shimon. So this a real simmer
writes writes he had had with and he
writes letters to blow what he had
fascinating. Some are planted but it was
edited by the by the by the by the boy
family. But I have the original I made
years ago and
the family I don't know he wrote it to
he wrote his he
was he was a a radical against Zionist
movement and he came to the rabbis and
then he went out and said wow I never
saw a person which he looked so uh so
such a big Zionist such a big canoe and
became a barian and he was the first
person who translated in Yiddish he knew
17 languages he was a translator in the
United Nations for the United Nations.
He so he writes that the Reb said the I
like and I support them because they're
real. They don't take anything from the
Medina. They don't take any money. They
don't take personal but the people who
are cano and when it comes to their
personal lives they take all kind of
money. This is so he writes reb was
against he had a lot of nice cute things
which uh which he writes
the at least you see the mind of the
you should go into the to the to
the government that was against
the
current that that that's that's way off
because they now they're going with the
Arabs. What are you talking
about
which so therefore first of all
is as we should take part in we should
anything which has to do with politics
and supporting any. So therefore the
whole thing of taking
taking stage should give
is we were never into politics and
there's no justification what they did
has to be a big and I don't understand
how much lost not only him even a few
months later was galant we are aid wants
to come and say we are open for
everybody but giving a platform for uh
just because he holds of of not giving
But he has other things which is against
he goes out which is against now again
on his
person as I mentioned before is the
rebed
in the supported when there was a war
they should
go the rebba was was
was again if if a person doesn't learn
and he's married and it's that he could
be you should go he has no no
justification. So how does this work
together? The answer is very simple
which himself said there was a story
there's a his name
was a big and he wrote on the GI Indian
of Kavatar there was a
bigish contemplant if you go from there
to Japan where you hold chabas and
that's one of the reasons why we are not
going to to no to Australia that's clear
but the the Iowa um Hawaii Hawaii Hawaii
there's
Shabas that's one of the reasons because
there's a big because there's a big
problem if it's Sunday therefore stay
away
now now he wrote on the so there was a
big one a lot of there was one
which was
basically he gave out the Turkish
language constantly and he had a
different
had a third And the Reb
was
like wrote against below the belt very
sharp. And the Reb went when he came
into the asked why did you write so
person so sharp. So he said that
that is none of this under the holds and
let's make it clear and that's the one
of the biggest mistakes which we have
today's minds against anybody who says
Medina is rule as Medina is a beginning
of the gul that's a part of the gula
is the rabbi explains it modern modern
orthodox
yeah
is why the rabbi says the ra writes
exactly how the guil is going to come
and according to the it cannot be the
way it is the rab says clear and there's
no religion which argues with the raom
that you I cannot say I want to pass my
other so everybody agrees with raam So
you passing again against you pass
against and therefore it's sobb the cash
holds that he wrote
and nothing to do with nothing.
So so he so he said to the rebb said why
did you write on so so harshing him? So
he said to
the another thing the Reb said
once
against mention over here comes I'm
against and I'm not against a
person that's why if you have a Zionist
Nusi or president or Shazar or whatever
it should
personally on a personal level.
Something
else anything which had to do with the
rhyme with the with the ideology of
Zionist vivious against. So again
anything which had to do
with which says I was with I agree with
wasb against. So therefore flags was
remember the first I was when I was when
I became a and it was they make every
year new programs then there was a
program that all the children from all
the cities by the song they came with
the flags they came in the flags with
their own with their own this Israel had
no flag there's no sh Israeli flag no
such thing I was so pull I fascinated
you
know anything which had to do with as
the medina is
Why? Because
Zionism is
going not
because if you ever read you shouldn't
read it but if you ever read the the the
Ryan of the forefathers of
Zionist he himself said to the Vatican
and said we are ready to convert
everybody all all Jews to Christianity.
We should have a
state but all
the was that
we gave to in order how do you make a y
which doesn't have were all over the gas
how do you connect them together how do
you make a family should hold connect
together so you have to have something
to stick together what is the sticking
together they have a toy we don't need a
toy we need a toy in order to stick
together because we are in ghoul If we
have a a medina, if we have a country,
we have a language, we are going by, we
don't need
to
language. You can see you can read if
you read a little bit what was
there you know once
but they didn't want to
write so
they they wrote serious rule what
serious rule could
be so the mindset and therefore
Anything was against all the
way fully
sharp now as it is as it is like this.
The Medin are du facto over here.
Zamukum which thousands of people got
refugee refuge of of of after the war as
the Rashag asked the
Beler was free visited and he went to
the freed told me we should go the and
ask what is the answers for the which is
printed also again in the bel
sources the answer for
that a
battle that
means gulas because between is the worst
gulas gave us after the war we should
have a place we should he gave that you
should s you can have your own community
he gave kings and crownab and he gave
a place which they can sit
down and we have to watch it because if
anything we we lower our standards in in
in therefore you cannot give back
because they'll come and take us and
they make October 11 there therefore you
have to go in if again if it's that you
don't learn and it's mas okay you have
to watch not only in ifro If the go
wants to come into Mand want to ken you
have to have a shir you have to have a
shamra you have to have guns uzies you
have to
prepare we
don't you live
there you have to
go not not necessarily no not
necessarily
It's all the reason because if
the then has to also
go over you you have to pay if not you
go to jail if you can get
I don't know if this you know let me
stop over
Anything exception of the Ryan
is total totally that's why the
is anything which has to do with the
symbolity of the Middle East flags
anthem that's what a few years ago they
wanted to give they wanted to give
lip yeah
what before hay makaba with maba to put
on a a flame I don't know exactly will
explain a torch they do
every to mention that they did something
special
yeah and and
and lip and says he cannot take it
because that's
already that's already identifying with
the list and I think we should not
identifying with is the given aggressor
because again as I mentioned the exist
holds
that the reb was so therefore that
was anything which has nothing to do
with factor we have a medina that means
we have a country and we have
to we have to protect Eden and we have
to be able to learn we have to put in
people should go in the class because we
have to protect Toyota
That's a problem because
then we we alabad are not into politics.
So very important thing that was the
biggest mistake why we we bring
these into talk because you identify
with a party you identify with a with
a but was against politics divide
between problems it
makes the one time which we
went with we had a lot of problems but
then we have to go
because but we should bring people which
which is in their in
identify with a
party.
So, so therefore when it comes to when
it comes to going protest against giving
back and if you want to go one thing but
holding a Israeli flag
why in in in the old interviews
which
doing in a lot of people do not this
this division
Maybe if anybody wants to hear hear
clearer
than there is a lot of letters which I
hope one day was saying print but
there's famous two letters which he
wrote it's
called it's
printed I had I had have it already 40
years but there was a a group of
oil and they printed it and it was
printed four or five madas with
additions that was against it but who
asks him and it's good they didn't ask
him it's very important letters and over
there you can have yeah exactly and over
you have a lot of clarity of the
sobb is
all the
things anything which comes
um now another thing one more thing
before I'll get to the punch
line is not identified with
politics is
against there
was which asked the rebb why you
shouldn't he was it was
Yeah. He asked the Reb, why shouldn't
Kabad participate in the world um world
Zionist movement years ago and then the
answer is identifying with a political
move. So therefore he wanted the should
come
out more from deputies automatically
then you can make a change says cannot
come out because that's
politics politics. We don't want to get
identified
also to say is when you go with one
party you're going against the other
parties given the unionbident.
So now anything which has to do cannot
come out in public and anything with
politics because we don't
identify politics. So now let's just
finish up regarding regarding the
today's day should you vote or could you
vote in the world Zionist organization
or not? Now first of all let's make it
clear there's no such a thing as should
come out and say you should go vote.
It's no as I mentioned just
even there's no such thing as you should
say you could you should go vote because
you mix together in politics
which asks
can somebody ask me privately could I go
and vote for them what should be the
answer oh so now is like this there are
some which want to say that you cannot
vote because you have to agree to the
platform of the Jerusalem, the Jerusalem
platform and the Jerusalem platform
is I went over the new Jerusalem
platform this year made every before the
election make new platform I went over
carefully three or four times I don't
see anything over there which you cannot
they asked one of the question asked
rabbold that vote for the so when you
vote for the automatically you are
voting that
has to um give a I don't know if it's
swearing or giving
aim a pledge allegiance to to the to the
state and their laws. So how could you
do
it that anything which you could say on
two ways it could
be
means so whenever it's not clearcut is
yeah if you go through the I don't see
things which is clearcut which is a
problem I don't see problems
clearcut person wants to
issued a bonaf there's a letter which
surfaced lately from the reb and one of
rabbi Bronstein which he was involved
heavily in the world organization as the
rabbi the same question why don't kabat
or make more fumin come in and take over
because we have to understand one thing
why does world is is a nothing is a is
an organization which is a fundraising
organization they fund raise over a
billion dollars a year which is sent et
and they divide it for kmas how to give
what to give land for uh there's the
four or five things which they they give
a money making and if you have more the
positions or you could give you have
more influence on the government
influence so therefore he asked why
shouldn't you move you know a lot of
from should come in notabad but why
shouldn't a lot of
answered can you will it make a
difference that means
you'll have a couple of from you know
who's going to vote will it make a
difference so to you you have the reform
the cons of a big big big uh uh
community then so assume that 100,000
yen let's say which which you it's not
the now my question was the first thing
I'm in it what's about with the whole
project the Jerusalem project you know
in
the that you you believe in that then
it's a
practical and and he was right years ago
there was no point of pushing in Jewish
from
from the members because it didn't make
a
difference nowadays when the reform and
conservative are very very
very
getting the fa have a big chance to come
It's I don't know exactly the policy but
last time the GIA was heavily you should
vote this year they backed out. I don't
know why but I'm excited. Understand the
changes they made in the Jerusalem. Look
at the changes we made in Jerusalem.
It's much more favor than it was one
day. No, there are certain things that
the idea you have to support because of
the whole fight that's going on with the
Bakar and and and they're saying you
have to support everyone. So that's a
it's a clash because they they what one
of the changes they made in the
Jerusalem project that you have to
support they should support all youth go
to the IDF and which sounds including
okay and there and because of the
current fight that they're having right
now with the okay that was the reason
but last time that
was
power
day now nowadays was lately a report
that there was a lot
of that you shouldn't go vote for where
Jerusalem they realize they got they got
information that who makes this all the
who pays for this the conservative
movement they don't want the fish come
in and take over as they do everywhere
when they come into community and they
eventually take over yeah which is going
to happen anyways but so what did they
do clothing and then
right you
know so therefore they don't want it so
Again should any come out you should go
with them?
No politics and cannot say clearly that
you should go
vote we stay away a a person for
itself a problem to to to vote I don't
see a big problem but I feel since
backed out and a lot of backed out is
the said would you make a difference or
not I'm not sure that our vote will make
a big difference because last time five
years ago So the oil was heavily in in
in involved in in the elections this
time. I don't know difference. So that's
up to
everybody
organization will join this
organization. No,
no, you should go vote for