The Ramchal's Essay on Fundamentals - Part 4 - Rabbi Yirmiyahu Ullman

so we started a day or two ago and we're midway through the second the second i'm going to call each one an essay the second essay on the spiritual realm and the basic point here is that after discussing the ways in which we can think about God as creator and originator of all and how as the absolute creator which brought everything into being and everything it has everything contained within it that would apply not only to the physical find out realm of creation but also to the spiritual plane of creation as well he's elaborating in this little section on the spiritual plane of creation he's discussing how just like in the physical world there are a myriad of many different creations so too in the non-physical spiritual world there are myriad of many different types of creations some of them would be like angels or demons or souls or other types of forces but there are different creations within the spiritual realm and just like in the physical realm each of the different types of species has a specific set of laws and that govern it and that affect it and there are some laws which generally affect all created physical things so the same thing in the spiritual realm there are specific laws and guidelines and limitations which affect any of the particular creations in the spiritual realm and there are those that apply to all of all of the throughout the entire realm of the spiritual plane of existence as well and he said that there are basically three different categories remember the three categories were basically forces second one is Angels third one is demons we haven't seen the third one yet but would be the breakdown where did you say that the human soul fit in there are three different types the one is the co-host the second is the angels and the third words of the Nationals ah ok so Coco's would be those forces of divine energy whether negative or positive which flow down into the world for good or for bad the second would be the malaking those are the Angels and we spoke about how angels are like pockets of divine energy through which the Divine Will is executed and then the third one is the deshou mos we actually covered all three you to the Coco's we do the malaking right we didn't shove us as well of course we did yeah everybody speaking about how there's the category of the souls as well and the souls are outside of the body the bottom was just reviewing page 173 before we start 174 173 this time they're also there is the soul the soul is something which is outside of the body it exists before the body in the area that we call the goof which is a repository for souls before those souls are brought down into the body the soul can also live outside of the body as well after death and remember we describe that there are two those are two planes of existence the laws that operate a fond of soul before it's placed into the body of different than the laws that operate as well after at least about and we spoke for example about how in the former scenario the soul will not have been tainted in any way by any transgression there could be take that could result from the person's being in a body secondly once thats all goes through the body it's like going through that portal which then sends it in a directory of perfection which is going to open up that soul to experiences of reincarnation right or the world to come heaven right gunaydin organum and ultimately preparing it for three summation in resurrection so those would be there for he did discuss that we did see the author's discussion of cohoes neshama and malaking now he's adding another category another type and that's at the top of page 174 owed me nikesh an aluminum saw there is yet another type or species of spiritual creations which exist should who mean employ when gosh me oh honey it is kind of an intermediary between the physical and the spiritual the Hainish Eschbach toss me give you a hug machine vignon of the moshulu mix awesome it has for example certain ways in which it is limited by the physical world by natural laws things that govern the physical world and its limitations and in some ways it is independent of these as well the Shem Jimenez a nickel I'm shading and the name of this particular species is shading ok shading is the term for demons and just I mentioned that it's the generally accepted practice that we don't mention the names of angels for example or the names of specific demons it's also customary not even to use the name for demons which is shading again in the context of learning you know perhaps there you know the according to custom people might be lenient about this but in general very many people particular just even using the term that they refer to the shading as shin talad spelling it out rather than saying it saying in full and it's like I said has to do with what we discussed yesterday that we actually have a power of speech which is not just our ability to speak but there is a power inherent in our ability to speak which connects us to the spiritual realm and enables us to have creations in the spiritual realm do our bidding and when a person says the names of angels and the names of demons he's actually causing them to become crystallized in his presence for the purpose of doing his bidding and if he doesn't know therefore how to harness that energy which is called forth so the energy is called forth for naught and it can often explode in his face as it were and the person himself and come to harm as a result of so the same thing is true in all the more so regarding demons and therefore people in general in particular not to mention specific names and certainly not to mention names of dunes either there's a king demon for example which is named ashmadai people are particular not to pronounce that or the ash monoi or what the faith some l that's that's already the name of an angel shelton this yes ml that's the citric wrong that's the very creation I'll camita don't we mention their names we mention the names of angels right during the idea during the service of creditor not actually in the straw of course but yeah it's part of the formula that said there on the bed tension off and we mentioned there that on when it's in certain college I would be saying that it's such a crucial time before going to sleep also so yes I mentioned yet this very good question I mentioned yesterday that what's that so yeah at least a second oh yeah the concept is like the you know the Hasidic Hasidic Jews the ones with everything yeah more black way yeah I have a few questions being generated here let's taken one by one yeah there is there's a practice at least among certain groups of you know of Orthodoxy when saying the bedtime choix to say not only the Shema and verses which are confident but also call upon test a certain prayers and formulas which are intended to help the soul in its elevation during sleep and this would connect to what we were talking about the end of torment vlora remember we're talking about sangla slaw and the verses that are said there we didn't go into the details of the fact that part of what's mentioned there the names of angels but his question is how can you be calling upon the names of angels based on the things that were saying so the answer would be connected to something which is yesterday which is that what we were generally refrained from is saying the names unnecessarily or in the paint in the case of let's just say conversation but it is in the context of learning or if it's for example someone's name we you know the custom is to say the pin the name of the angel so the same thing here in the bedtime choix it was actually incorporated as part of the prayer what's that fine that's also ok but I thought you meant you I thought you were referring to the code to the reference in this law which talks about gov real and oriel in the coil yeah yeah so in you know in all those cases you gaga hasatan is basically a verse which is used to put the Sultan in its place and calling upon the other angels the oriole nagari on the mcpoyles of and so on in order to help encapsulate the soul with protective energy on its ascension into the spiritual realm during sleep so it will not be affected by demons and other inhabitants of the lower spiritual realm and it will have a trajectory which goes up into the higher realm in order to be rejuvenated at at the height of sleep the height of his ascension the end of the night before being brought bound and back into the person to renew him and undergo a type of mini resurrection in order to go into the new day which will be like the world to come it's a new world this day it's not like we had yesterday this is a world to come where we're going to make a new world based on our new commitment and our refreshing dinner or after having pressed the refresh button through sleep so this is like a mini resurrection into a mini world to come where today is a different world than it was yesterday and the different person was born anew yeah but all of that is going to be achieved through what happens to the souls kind of being refreshed through sleep and part of that ensuring that that happens in the best way is calling upon the power of angels do that so when the sages in their wisdom composed for us or or or let's say infuse versus within the service for that purpose that's also ok that's part of the formula for the phone lines prayer um here I'm just going the general convention is not to pronounce this term shading but rather to say Shin da lady ya know what what it has sit in so you know as you know there are different groups within the Jewish people that evolved generally as a result of the exile so that you have Jews of Eastern lands they're generally considered to be like the Safari right although that's where terms so far actually means Spain more typically speaking it's you know this far team and the limits are called the 80 samudra I'm Ezra which is you know Jewish choose from the eastern countries and you have da Shirazi right and generally in the European countries along the Asha in each general group you have subgroups right among the the Spain you have from Casteel and you have from what are they called in a sense irrelevant nowadays because it's not fact that they're prevalent but you have others from you know Morocco and some from Iraq and their their difference is the same thing in the Ashkenazim so you have certain Ashkenazi groups which are more mainstream traditional Ashkenaz and others who kind of followed the teaching of the Baal Shem Tov which was introducing into the Ashkenazi community some of the the Kabbalistic teachings the truth is a couple cabal exists among to the nationalism in the Middle Ages as well that was what we called acid ashkenaz would be is referring to a school of Kabbalists that really were operating in Germany so how do you pick what you want to be oh that's already different that's a different discussion yeah we're already going beyond what we do to the scope but we'll talk about as you want like you just choose you yeah you can't one can do that look into that but let's let's talk about it let's fix it a point of time to talk about yeah yeah so here it's just you know here in the text there for what he's making reference to is they dialing these demons and there are different explanations as to why they are called this by this term machine-doll adore the shade one reason of course is because the demons are like shady characters so that's one explanation as to why the change but more seriously so sickness like they want to mention in kick they saying the Big C yeah yeah yeah yeah haha yeah yeah that's yeah I mean it's it's rich generally little we're talking about a bit slightly different because there it's kind of like not being in a shallow you've stalked peeve the Sutton you shouldn't open his mouth to the sutton for shouldn't mention things which are harmful because he might be kind of bringing that harm upon him it's related in general but this is more specific actually saying the name so in any case these one explanation is that it comes from the word saw de saúde wheres today means field and since these demons are like extra societal beings you know they're on the outside the perimeters of of the in half of it habitation and in fact the sources say that they actually found that's where that's where they occupy deserted areas forlorn removed areas away from people and so forth and so on and it's for the reason that we find that we're discouraged from walking alone in deserted areas particularly at night because these demons have more of a presence there in those places or at those times another explanation that's given is that it's related to the word showed we showed means robbery and these shading are interested in robbing people of what makes them uniquely human and depriving them therefore of exercising the free real properly or depriving them of the mitzvahs that they could do or the tour that they can learn order to zap out the the positive energy that that results from touring and observers and as we go along we'll see why they might do that but for now I'm just introducing different reasons as to why they are called this term shading it was ready to saw day or showed robbery we find that the Torah also refers to them as serum serum means goats don't sacrifice to the serum these are the demons the Torah tells us don't sacrifice to the demonic forces magic and black magic and witchcraft and wizardry and things like this so they refer to a serum where see ear is also a goat and the explanation here is that yes the angel these demons like like goats hop and dance and move around and very active in kind of mischievous so they're they're referred to as the cerium but in any case this is the this is a a parallel category which is not only not included in the first three because the first three are purely spiritual beings you have forces yes as spiritual creations you have souls as purely spiritual creations and you have angels which are purely spiritual creditor creations the demons he says already from the outside are like midway between not entirely spiritual and not entirely physical midway between look more actually says that they are a class of its own which are midway between angels and human beings midway between angels and human beings think the more says the demons are like angels in three ways and like humans in three ways to like angels in three ways the demons of wings like angels they fly like angels and they know the future like angels those are the three ways now angels don't have wings as we discussed yesterday but whatever having wings means that's what demons have and it must be something than just referring to the ability to avoid because we're told that flying is a separate name so they have wings and they can fly I once thought that you know maybe the idea of wings is that wings manipulates the billiard flies like wings are the the rudders of flight so it's something that have the ability to fly but the wings enable that motion to enable to enable the person be able to them to manipulate the motion and I just thought to myself perhaps and somebody mentioned this I think about angels having free will that angels can fly but they also have wings which means they can fly they do gods bidding but they also at least in theory have wings yeah which means they can exercise at least theoretically some free will decision about navigating the the message that they're sending for example well the mcdouble Emilio I think discusses this that angels also have free will it's just that they see things so clearly that for all intents and purposes they don't act upon their free will in any way which would deny God but at least they have wings if I'm understanding this correctly then that flight is the ability to do something wings is the ability to manipulate that act so demons also have that to an even greater degree they can fly but they have wings which would be an ability to assert some form of free will on there on whatever message or purpose that they're being sent to do the third thing is they can tell the future like the Angels and the more discuss is that they can see the future but they can't see very far so angels can fly faster and do more and also see more about the future but the demons that inhabit the lower realm they are given some inkling of the future but not to the stage extent as as angels have there are three ways in which the demons are considered to be like humans they eat like humans they drink like humans and i believe the third one is that they reproduce like humans ok so the commentators explained in the kabbalah that eating and drinking like humans does not mean that they actually consume food and drink but rather just as human beings consume food and drink for their sustenance so the demons consume the vapors of the food and drink that are offered to them as sacrifices by their worshippers so that people who worship the demons offer sacrifices and the food of the animals is burned and combusted and the liquids the wine or the vapors that are resulting from these burn sacrifices are actually taken up somehow by the demon and it's used to sustain them it gives them energy and the the Zora talks about how this is actually how demonology works people offer sacrifices to the demons the demons derive some benefit from the activity the humans are doing in honor of the demons and the demons therefore bestow them the people who gave them this energy this food this drink the sacrifice with power some of the power of the demon and in this way people tap into diminutive demonic forces and they can use these dark demonic forces for magic and witchcraft and they are also given sometimes in inkling into the future but their vision of course would only be limited to the limit of the of the demon into the future how person was tapping into these things from the Holy side right can it change much greater degrees first of all of energy because very little light dispenses a lot of darkness and also foresight and knowledge and insight so that the prophecy that comes about through angels is going to be much greater than the than the insights into the future that demonologists get out of connecting to demons that would be the first to a food and drink is this a bit too far out no ok so it's ok today yeah now you know where has that yeah now the third thing is demon reproduction yeah its food for thought of your next barbecue right in any case the third way in which demons are compared to humans is that they reproductive pre-produced like human beings they don't have bodies and they don't have sexual organs they don't have sexual fluids so they can't be reproducing like human beings but the way in which just like we explained the relationship of food Toobin beings as being similar to that of sacrifice to the demons so human sexuality is is used to fuel demon sexuality as well and the mystical sources Judaism talk about therefore that if a person is involved in in in forbidden sexual acts he's actually generating that energy and wasting it in a way which will be utilized by the demons in fact demonology magic and witchcraft idolatry in general is often inextricably bound with sexuality sexual morality and we find in torah sources all the time the connection between idolatry and adultery so that they kind of go hand in hand but in any case this would be an example a more specific sample that i was talking about earlier when I said the demons are like robbers which are trying to bring out of people what's uniquely human about them and their ability to do good and one of the realms of that place is ringing out of people their sexual energy and an example of the way this happens which is discussed is that a female demon for example can appear to a man entice him to have an emission that sexual energy that's redoute released is then taken by her and in the result is to produce little demon babies they're not physical babies yeah but what's happening is is the sexual energy is used to reproduce more of that demonic energy and I don't want to make anybody to what's the word on it like spooked out or what I'm looking for um like I don't know that what I'm looking for I can't think about right now but in any case this is one of the I fear yeah but you know in a person's like you know all worked up yeah freaked out of the specific word in any case you know this is one of the ideas behind you know describing the the great import of spilling one seed in vain and that that type of energy that is wasted that way is lapped up by the the demons and it's used for dream and reproduction I can have the other way as well that a male demon can entice a female and work her up and use that feminine feminine energy sexual reproduction ergy that's that she stores up in order to reproduce himself as well and some sources actually say it works both ways that the female entices a man and the male entices a female and that enables both the male and female demon now to interact and reproduce okay where each one is drawing the the sexual energy from you through the mail or the female and then that male female energy is is fused in order to make that even the demon energy but it's kind of you know far out it's from a far out in a way but in any case these are the I'm just saying this discussing this because we spoke about how demons are like midway between humans and angels so you see that they they eat but not really they reproduce but not really yeah or they fly but not really or they see the future but not really they're somewhat like angels and they're selling like humans the major says that Oh on that final sixth day of creation after having created man and after having separated the female component of man from the male masculine component of man so that mankind was separated into male and female physical components and spiritual components God then went on to create the demons but but but Chavez came in before God was able to finish the creation of the demons and therefore he couldn't complete couldn't complete the creation and this this this Midrash is understood in the con is being related to what we're just saying before that they're not entirely physical and not entirely spiritual they're not entirely physical because God didn't finish completing them before creation they're not entirely spiritual because God had started before shabbos came in so they were left in this limbo state of being literally the twilight of creation between the sixth day and shabbos that twilight zone of neither purely physical mental spiritual and it's interesting when you think about creation as a hierarchy where God first created the inanimate objects and then the living things living things first were created in the form of plants and vegetation and then animals among the animals there was a separation between animals and humans within humans there was a separation between man and woman and the closer you go well the right the further you go along that hierarchy the higher level of spirituality you're talking about so that right plants are more spiritual than in animates animals are more spiritual than plants humans are more spiritual than animals women are more spiritual then men demons are more spiritual than human beings so it's actually quite an interesting thing I mean according to the Midrash God had something very important plan for these demons it's almost as if if you're talking about creation taking place in a hierarchy they would have been the crowning glory of creation even above what woman but God didn't manage to finish before shabbos came in so he had to drop it the mid wrist compares this so somebody who's walking along the way and he's got a precious jewel in his paw it right shabbos comes in he has no choice but to throw the throw the genocide so to God was in the act of creating these demons shabbos came in and he had to let it go so you see from the language of Mitch's herself it compares the demons to jims almost implying like I said that the demons were intended as it were to be the crowning glory of creation how God didn't manage to finish before shabbos comes in yeah I'm not quite sure what what the teaching was to say by that but in any case what happened was that whatever grandiose plans were in mind for these demons the plans were discarded like the person who discards that jewel The Jewel is a jewel but it gets lost in the dust so these demons were like relegated to being in his twilight state they don't have the advantage of being in bodies in this world in order to operate using free will in order to glorify God but they can't be full members of the spiritual realm either because they're connected and anchored in this world in some way so it's because of this reason that the demons are constantly looking to like I said before tap into the energy that's created through our free will either for good or for bad and many ways deprive us of it why because they're being they're being jealous the fact jealous quote-unquote that we have the free will in the body to a right to affect our perfection which they don't have and therefore there is this kind of I don't know love/hate relationship between demons and humans on the one hand they want very much to be like us another hand they Envy us on the one hand they show us what it means for a physically rooted being to be spiritual right like an angel but they themselves are not angels so there's this very kind of interesting relationship maybe as we talk or more we'll see they're good demons and they're bad demons or examples of both but somebody had his hand up I think it was you yeah I just would ask me shanken finish creation yeah I asked the same question you know I yeah I yeah I don't have like a great answer to that question you know so what was what was God's intention was his intention to finish was intention for apps not to finish you know maybe his intention was not to finish and demons therefore have a role in that spectrum between the physical and the spiritual inanimate plant animal man woman demon angel right and then alamos let's see those breeds Sierra nasya there's a whole spectrum there and therefore you know maybe it was it was got you know it spoke about in the language of God did not manage to finish creating them until my time shabbos came in so we had to discard it but maybe there's something because anything God can't do the point is that there is a being which was created during the twilight period that's Benesch muscles between the weekday and shabbos and that's exactly what it is it has a role in the spectrum of spiritual of physicality going to spirituality nobody i should isn't it kids work by clock that's true yeah yeah yeah so yeah God kind of binds him five minutes it takes me to do this there's no time tiny bit doesn't even take him point zero zero zero zero zero one of a second to do something he doesn't have to like when he's running the world he's not like oh yeah wait my friend come eat slow slow walk it sound like a Lego set like oh wait wait wait three seconds I'm gonna walking him to the corner store that's interesting point cuz yeah you can see the God can instantaneously do everything he can multitask he is the multitasker of the universe good to see like how do you explain you see late great but never let you do see in creation a progression nevertheless the tour does describe creation as a progression there was first this and then that and then that and then that and then that passion fruit may the Sun wait for twice so God overrode the natural laws but there is a normal natural Russian of time so you could God could have so God is not limited but it's really true God could override that God chose not to God said Chavez comes in God's not bound by shop it's the truth and more talks about how you know how is this God computing random Chavez if we can't hear gate agriculture God's not bound by the laws of Shabbos but in any case these are interesting questions and just once I get your point is very well taken and the fact that creation is never less described at least in the Torah as occurring through a progression or series of events um perhaps given your point we can understand something we made a point we made the other day about Pro creation being a result of progressive recession right of symptom so that it has to be sequential of course if you look about it God proactively creating God could do everything boom at once but if you talk about creation in the terms of symptom whereby everything is God creation is just a reducing of the intensity of God's presence at in a particular area which becomes space or I don't know confluence which we end up calling time so that has that has to be gradual as it were God is gradually reducing the intensity of his presence so that more and more of things other than God can seem to take take form and come into existence so so so maybe that's why procreation is described as progression because it's not proactively creating it's a result of a sequential regression what were you going to say demons were created right before coming shaman yeah that's interesting point because I mean our sources seem to say that demons are actually created from day one right and when God says no se all done let us make man why was he speaking in the plural one answer is he was freaking speaking in the rural we as the King would say we hereby proclaim another answer that's given is I think Rashi brings it that he was taking it was taking advice as it was consulting with the angels where were the angels the angels already been created from what I wanna be right right so how would that fit in yeah so how would that fit him well perhaps the way they could fit in is that shabbos is like a refraction which is then refracted into oneness so that there was the state of God's existence before creation took place there is a what's what I'm looking for like a multiplicity to the progression of one two three four or five but shabbos brings everything back to the source again so could very well be that the marching on towards multiplicity which is creation culminated in the demons and then right reloop tin to read looked into what was existence before the first day of creation and that would be angels the angels were part of the spiritual realm that were created before the physical form of the world for a she's broken SH a Mayan doesn't mean the atmosphere that means the spiritual realm this arts which means the metaphysical plane and the universe sure my invites ours is not just planet Earth all rights I set to low all of physical creation was in this state of discombobulation why because there was this huge exposure that just took place and mass is floating everywhere yeah and then God caused the land to appear physicality emerged from this chaos the form planets and stars everything else including planet earth and on earth what happened happened but in any case if you think about day one day two day three day four day five days six what is day seven shabbos right now go back that first shabbos was preceded by day six day 5 24 day three day to day one what was before day one no shabbos right what Dave what day comes from before monday or sunday saturday shabbos right so so that in a way right day seven is really looping background to to the state of existence that that was before before creation shabbos is still part of creation though like so creation didn't stop on day six creation continued into chavez's a day at rest yes but still like it's essential part of creation he's creating the showers on Sunday the nesting that's how he created yeah the model that I was using before about not viewing as we normally do creation as a result of a proactive act right but rather the result of a regression so what that means is on day one God retracted listen out day to this amount three four five six to an even greater amount and the greater the great extent to which God retracted from his oneness there came into there emerged a greater degree of of multiplicity yeah when God therefore rested on shabbos he didn't like desist from action what it really means is he desisted from retracting which is another way of saying he let his hair down yeah let his hair down as it were let his pay us out yeah and he reintroduced himself now into a world where when it where now that God's presence became infused in that world it would not implode back into oneness because the structure had been made it's kind of like you know if you want to make a damn so you have to hold that water back construct the dam but at some point once the dam has been properly constructed you let that flow of water through in a specific way and now can be harnessed for energy and hydraulic power to everything else so that's kind of like what happened that's that that's the way I understand COBOL is explaining it it's not that God proactively created x y&z but he retracted two degrees so forth and so forth and so phone on shabbos he rested it doesn't mean he rested from / action from exertion but he resisted from holding himself back in other words he let himself back into the world and in this way that seventh day was reconnected to the state of existence that was before day one which is shabbos I think you know you can also if we had time elaborate on on how this might be collected it's connected teaching which says if the Jewish people just kept to show bosses they would immediately be whatcha puzzles were talking about anything using shabbos to get the nectar through the shop is that was before creation that would bring about the redemption we get back to square one which is the which is where the time when you know basically preparing for the period when Adam and Eve were created and so forth and so on we kind of run a bit out of time to lever and that maybe we'll do it another time in any case the we should try and find some place to tie off for now this discussion about the demons so let's see if we can finish this paragraph here so we're talking about how elaborating on this sentence how describing demons is being midway through midway between Michelle Amenas a new Kim shading vs bama task euphonious they have some material aspects lokoo kufanya solano but not like our bodies viagem toss in yanira produce and they have some components of spirituality hello keone mamash but not like the spiritual beings in entirely so this this would parallel the teaching and the tour in the talmud that i was mentioning before that there are three ways in which they are like humans but not entirely and three ways in which they're like the angels but not entirely began behem yesh madraga isma Drago's o meaning showing and here too in demons just like is the case regarding Souls and powers forces and angels there are many different levels and many different types Lucas free maggiano's am Cacambo leukemic villains ahem and according to their different levels so is there also varied the laws that will apply to them so this would open up the whole discussion about there being good demons and bad demons some demons are described as even being Tommy to ha ha Meem Torah scholars and others are concerned or described as being people and others described as being animals so the different levels and classes of demons and different types of things that that they do one or two interesting examples of this would be that the Gomorrah talks about a certain RAV yosef shade yes the demon referred to as I think it says RAV yosef maybe just joseph shade but i think it says reveal civ there's a different one yeah yeah but this have yours have shade he would the guar say says would give a Torah lecture on one day in pump adesa and the other day in forget the name of the the other main town it was a and pump adesa but yeah oh yeah and if I remember correctly it was called dim and producer to famous towns in bubbly which centers of your Shiva's and tour learning and in any case uh I believe the guar says that that this demon would give these tour classes on the same shabbos in each town even though they were very far apart and humans would not be able to make that cover the ground sir lean on Chavez when there's a tome shabbos but Joseph shed was able to transport itself between these two towns in order to give these tour lectures so here would be an example this would be an example that was discussing a demon giving a tour lecture he's a Tom at holcomb I don't know exactly what it means but that's what the more says look more says elsewhere that the regarding the connection between demons and Torah scholars that the the the claustrophobic feeling that people get at tour lectures is because the demons are crowded in there together with people as well and the fact that Torah scholars clothing rums out more quickly than other people's is because of the demons constantly rubbing against them and this is understood to mean that yeah yeah that the the negative demons yeah you know this is based on the idea that the negative demons are attracted to places of touring in order to zap out that energy like spiritual leeches and use the energy of the Torah for their own for their own for their own means yeah that's another negative thing and we see that they're swirling around the Torah scholars even though their spiritual there's somewhat physical resulting in a friction that over time kind of wears out clothing which angels would not do how do we kind of keep the demons away from our Torah and our prayer by keeping a bad thoughts out of our heads and our hearts when we do so by trying to learn Torah in the most pure intention that we can possibly have because of a person is learning Torah and praying but he's got all types of demons in his closet yeah so he's calling he's basically tainting his Torah in his prayer and he's making his his tortoise prayer like a wound which spiritual flies are drawn to in order to draw out whatever they can from it yeah it's like opening up the wound and and presenting the lifeblood which makes it susceptible to to the outside forces that's exactly what or or praying in a way which is harmful he's like creating a spiritual wound which these negative forces come and try and drink the lifeblood out of literally like spiritual flies so the more pure attention that we have the more complete and whole is our tour and our Mitzvah so the less acceptable leave these types of things I guess we're over time and we got to get to the next class I forgot about that so there are some other interesting demon stories I would have shared but I think either won't or door will continue tomorrow you