The Ramchal's Essay on Fundamentals - Part 13 - Rabbi Yirmiyahu Ullman

okay good so I think we're up to page 182 the fourth paragraph mahina so until now we were discussing different aspects of navulla and there's more to discuss but we covered quite a bit and the next section here is going to be talking about a experience which is lower than prophecy roja kodesh divine inspiration faheen a llamar to me Rodriguez onavo below the level of navarre yesh madraga nikris ruach hakodesh there is a level which is called ruah Hakodesh the Holy Spirit booing in Shea yushka chef Amy Mary spa Elsa column and the way this works is that there will be a certain chef ax a certain abundance or influence which comes from God to the mind to the intellect to the brain of a person shivaji I love yaqoob ab 0 UT Athenian Marcia bill t Suffolk with Bill Tito's via de voz a voz and there will come be conveyed to this person some message and will be fixed in this person's imagination in a way which again the person has no doubt whatsoever about as being as a result of the influence of the Divine Presence and the person will know the matter completely because it's being conveyed to him throw it through God in addition he'll understand see boss of todo so the côte d'ivoire bummer did also and he'll understand the reasonings for the reason for the the message that was conveyed to him with the experience that he's having and also the ramifications of the experience or the message that he's receiving kodava of Amontillado so everything according to its level as opposed to prophecy well I mean we already know prophecies out the door after the first town hall or whatever like nowadays you still have yes it would seem that nowadays you can start rolling code is one marriage um I believe the reply meet all rights in shark kedusha could be a genre Kurdish that that the reason why we don't have an oovoo nowadays is because we're Tommy mess we elaborated in greater detail a few days ago another reason as to why we don't have it really says the reason why is because we're not entirely cure so since we're not entirely true or for example there's coming mess there's the fact that people have come into contact with the dead body of been in the building with the dead Jewish body in some way a person has been tainted spiritually from the impurity of her coming in contact in some way with the dead body and this impurity prevents a person from actually having Nahua and I don't remember clearly whether he says that's the same thing regarding ruach hakodesh or not he might say that that that applies to fewer rural hakodesh as well at most we have a residual type of ruach hakodesh and the way this would work the way we person would get this record it would be similar to that of prophecy then would be the extent to which a person is committed excuse me connected to God through the Torah through a performance a whole heartedly of the midsole and through prayer the more likely he is going to receive this type of an influx which on a lower level is going to be manifested as will hakodesh yeah yeah yeah yeahs be exotic it's almost like the rua kodesh really would have taken a person even higher than Rome hakodesh had there not been a limitation of let's say to miss a mess which is barring a personal moon going higher so the same type of person the same type of activities that would have resulted a person's making the type of connection which brings about the experience that we call nevoie which is really a connection will bring a person to work on college as well I'm saying this time with some measured out i don't remember exact what the road with the nefesh I'm saying it's only regarding navulla Bernardo flesh or even regarding real Hakodesh and the point would be that residually we have some residual degree of rollers but it's not the real deal nobody nowadays has royal kodesh as he's describing here where it's clear to the person that he's having an influx of God he understands the message understands the purpose of the message it's not as clear and as powerful as prophecy but he understands that this is a an experience which comes about as a result of connecting to God and like I said I believe in shower ha kodesh Heinrich Todd tells us that we're not married therefore even pure rule Hakodesh now adays because of to a mess hula algeria chef has a however through this influx or influence efshar sure yeah skilled volume shimmy get on her skull ahead no she's at TVs lahaska low so it's possible through kodesh that a person could actually gain enlightenment over things which are really in the realm of human intelligence so I don't have a great example for this but suppose there was some natural process which could be empirically derived through scientific study or research so ruah Hakodesh could give a person an inkling as to how things work in a natural sense and things having to do with which could be the result of let's a natural intellectual investigation that's what I'm saying that he says you that would be one possible manifestation of Rohan kodesh run your own husky low Sun the advantage of one who understands these things I'll there do it in this way through a hakodesh me the advantage of somebody who would gain privy to information in this way of Rohan Kadesh over my house callosum over one who gains insight into these things out there hano she who over to the human natural process of intellect is shall then Derek in this way of Rohan kodesh use google your mouth these things can be understood without any effort the youth group bleep toast and they'll be also attained without any mistake below you Shia bum Suffolk and there will be no doubt about it whatsoever but he is still never less talking about gaining access to some information which is accessible through human intelligence and logic only he's doing it through ruah Hakodesh and the result the advantage of that is going to be it's going to be much more clear much more certain and much more easier to obtain moshcam can bajas Scola shall Delhi know she which is not the case regarding gaining information about something through the human path to of intelligence vasarius a gun can in your name Masha indicator scholar hello shoes and it's also possible through a whole Kurdish that he will gain things which are not subject to human intelligence and which human intelligence cannot obtain cheetahs killin when we call them honey stalls hace dos and this would include for example hidden matters and things having to do with talent with the future so that is a interesting pointing aroma kodesh can almost be used so it's almost like he's saying that Robert colors can be used to ascertain things which can be ordinarily obtained through application of human intelligence what what types of things will be referring to other than like I said natural processes things that have to do with inventions or um what's that happy no yeah I don't know I i I'm hard-pressed to find an example of a where rural hakodesh would fit in cell again Picasso um so you're saying that Roja kodesh might be associated with that as well it seems to me that that would be different than what he's saying here but maybe that was that's what he's saying you're suggesting that what that Rocco dishes behind let's say the muse or is it's great artistic inspiration although that's more like like I said that's artistic expression here he seems to be emphasizing the intellect so intellectual investigation rule hakodesh can be used to obtain information that's normally obtained through human intellect and I don't that doesn't sound like a description regarding let's say artistic inspiration I don't know anything about also i don't know how inflation is uh huh interesting yeah Popo me too but home but poetry would be I think more like artistry a hard artistic I think ventures is like the observational hmm so maybe this ain't a good applied floor that's a literature as well no it's creative yeah I don't know if enough hot streak 3 to say I'm or not guy myself but no I'm I don't know it seems to me that things having do with music and an art or even poetry or literature are involving more some type of an artistic and less of an intellectual impulse it could be that it's going through a mental process of how to convey and express it but the impulse I understand your point about poetry in other words the the the what the the poetic expression of describing poachers describing the meter yeah the idea of the flow of it so you're trying to build up to something by first breaking it down so you can understand those individual parts as you build it up okay interesting still in in general it would seem to me that maybe ruah Hakodesh would be involved in a certain aspect of goatish might spill over into the artistic influence so that a person is tapping into some type of inner wellspring of creativity which is coming from the Creator within each of us and that tapping into that creative Wellspring which is placed there by the Creator could be expressed in a way which is much more elevated in an almost supernatural and that way it might be involved it might be like rua kodesh i'm not an artistic person at all and not artistically talented all but there was one time in my life where I was very moved to draw a picture and I'm i was amazed and I really did feel like I was and I was straight I wasn't hiring I was really like amazed about this feeling that I felt it was just this overflowing feeling of creativity and it really came out to my opinions p quite good first and last time I ever do anything like that and almost felt like I was really kind of for some reason there was some confluence that I was tapping into some creative energy within myself that enabled me to do this if I and it's not like it came with anything original there was a photograph and I was drawing a large picture of the photograph but it came not very very good and there's there could be this just the spirit which is which is revealed you're saying more like hard scientists oh these hats with you all is a listening more like explanations of natural phenomena that are beyond ability to understand without further investigation versus like biology anatomy constellations things like that as opposed to those things what did you did you say as opposed to those things or like those opposed to artistic no-lose I thought you said the term as opposed to did you say as opposed to as opposed to being people being able to understand it without further like scientific inquiry a lot of hard work that's what I thought okay yeah I agree to me that personally that's how I understand him to be referring to as well but what was your point though just again just just clarify the point a little bit further though let's say there's some biological process let's say in biology which you wouldn't know without investigating have you broken Cornish if you know how invested you could use rooms to rafa koshish could be used to find that to understand that principle without invested without scientific investigation according to the that's what's infinite yeah I find it very difficult is there what is this coming to teach us yeah I agree be like if the author is seeming to suggest oh you don't have to put the hard work in you can put your hard work on the tourist side and then you get the output on the roof of course I'd you you're not actually putting your hard work into like understanding anatomy and astrology or whatever I don't know why we I don't think we would necessarily have to do that if we could use rule encouraged to send you know to understand astrophysics so there's no value in and working hard to get the astrophysics is it I don't know I agree that's why I'm groping with this I really I'm really not sure he I agree with you I person I agree with you I think that he seems to be saying that rule Hakodesh can be used to ascertain certain things in the physical world which require cyan't a type of scientific investigation Hakodesh kid you could explain to you how these things work but it would be even better than doing it scientifically because number want you to be sure number two you save a lot of time and effort and number three whatever it's a clear there's no doubt about it so what I'm gonna but but but what why when would that be valuable valuable why would you do why would that happen i'm not sure they certainly making the point we i think most of us would agree that ruined cottage would be more applicable in the second case that he brings which is that ruined cottage can be used in order to understand hidden matters of a secretive right esoteric nature or things having to do with with with the future in which case it would be an it more in line with more classical understanding of prophecy only rohan cottage would be a lower level of that is there one of our sages that was also a physician yeah there are plenty of the sages who were involved in it's a scientific type things and medicine suffering times but i don't know if that puts that it's my understanding that that took place through hakodesh maybe there was part of it yeah uncovered always the jews were the Jews were right were the forefront of medicine through a lot of world history and respected by non-jews as being you know talented doctors and maybe they had a special edge over the rest of the population because of their connection to the to the spiritual side of things ya rahman is awesome yeah ronwen was also a great great great physician um but you know throughout different periods in history in different places Jews were viewed as being very successful physicians is that just because they excelled in the scientific aspect of it or there was a more of a metaphysical aspect to their success in science or medicine i'm not sure but it indicates uh it's an interesting point this that's rule hakodesh can be used to gain information in the tangible physical world about the way it runs Vahine a row Hakodesh they this room Kodesh hinay unnavu gosh lamaze agav it is discerned by those who attain it shaham acabo yah here ibly suffolk one who receives this influx he will recognize without any doubt she'll share finish below that it's it's it's an influence that's being brought upon him he recognizes that his he is being infused with some force some energy which is outside of himself om nom odia crate if I mean however it will also happen sometimes sure you shwah believe Adam Sheva that there will be an influence that will be brought into the heart of a person Shia army day while token inion minyanim which will bring him to an understanding of any particular matter alieu yayah Guiche ball a moosh bah but he won't feel it explicitly as a result of some type of an influence and it would seem to me that this is the type of wrong hakodesh that is present nowadays right and like i said if i remember correctly we even raw Hakodesh in the pure sense we don't have because of time a mess what we have is this more residual type of rule ha kodesh where there is an influence but it's so subtle that a person is really not aware of whatever insight that he has its being a result of some some influx it's just more much more subtle than that Elia gelo Commissioner Phyllis mush of a below Volvo it'll come to him just like you know like some thought it comes into his heart all of a sudden vaniqa all day with ahava the shallow big dick cook raw hakodesh and it is referred to only in in in a borrowed expanded metaphorical sense and not accurately this experience is also referred to as ruah Hakodesh so what do you see is referring to it let's say for example you kind of have a feeling that somebody's going to call and then pull me a call yeah that could be the kind of thing that he's talking about here it's a type of rock kodesh I mean of course if you sit with your friend he's going to call you at three yeah and it's 259 and you say wow Mark's gonna call and this feeling marks him up yeah that's obviously not what we're talking about the point is that there are plenty of scenarios in people's lives where there's no particular reason why you should be thinking about that person at that time in that way and nevertheless in what would seem to be an otherwise unexpected fashion person just shows up just walks in wow he's just thinking about him ne ne ne right yeah that type of thing could be real hot koshish or for example somebody might be thinking about you so we might be thinking about you and you have this feeling like hmm um I gotta feeling that person's thinking something about they thinking X about me that time that we see the person face-to-face and you kind of maybe read some subtle body language or facial expression yeah this time almost like yeah was it you know I got it now I understand why he said that yeah because he must think whatever yeah and you might not necessarily been thinking about that right you're right now thinking about why this guy's acting that circular way in general you have something going on with somebody for good above that and you're not quite sure what's going on you might be perturbed by it but you're walking down the street and all of a sudden boom I got it now I know it must be because this why like why did one and one come together that at that moment if you were thinking about it and you came to the conclusion that is that that's a different story I'm talking just like falls into your head right that type of experience why would we be successful because we're having a shamma so if you do in order to have proper or Hakodesh but this lower residual type of roofing co dish which the author tells us is not even strictly speaking raha kodesh that's something which even ordinary people can be privy to so that it says in that that's all here it is over over yeah well yeah that's my dog yeah yeah that I'm quite often it can happen to certain people more than others or can happen to a person more in one part of his life then other times it was life but in general we're familiar with that kind of phenomenon and it's my understanding that this would be the type of thing that he's referring to here and he says we refer to it quickly as well hakodesh but strictly speaking that's not the case yeah Sophie Fritcher colloquially is a rule of the kodesh what about all the times we think about something and it doesn't happen I mean we focus on the times where you do feel it and we're like 'oh thinking about that how they call but what about all the times or doesn't happen maybe it's just like the idea like when you meet zone for the first time they make a negative impression that's always going to stick out more to you than the positive impressions that they might have at lunch so I don't know that's an interesting study is it to make in my own personal experience it doesn't seem like it happens that often that i have this premonition and then nothing happens like the premonitions of the feeling what we've had the premonition i guess you could sometimes like some when you're talking minutes a narrow way let's see how to premonition and then I think I guess that can happen I'm not like the consciousness of yeah yeah I'm conscious of this premonition and then nothing happens so you're saying when it's fulfilled it sticks out our mind because it's quite interesting and unique that the premonition season filled yeah but there it might be as just many if not more cases where he has a premonition and nothing happens still in my personal life I don't feel like I haven't had that many premonitions but when I do this more often than not there seems to be some some realization of the premonition like maybe I don't notice enough is your suggestion maybe don't notice enough when you have a premonition it doesn't yeah but mom you're always yeah it could be that your mom is thinking about you she knows she's thinking about you all the time but at this time is like beyond just the normal thing is thinking about you I was thinking about you you know yes it in a more was that less stalkerish way yeah the feeling was more enhanced and more heightened than normal I can hear that too right you know even people that you kind of normally think about but there might be a time when you're like thinking about that move a little more and then they call that also is a little blip yeah so again if these are hard it's a hard sometimes a different length it's a very good example on the other hand if it's like close friends and you're constantly calling each other throughout the day so then it's fence lessons indicative yeah yeah yeah unless you know each other schedules and decide that we give it I'm I agree with you I really do no I actually am a firm believer in these types of things wanted to say that uh you don't have to be able to you can't fool ourselves either right objective if it's an area where it's too close people they're constantly contact and we know each other's schedules and likely to call each other when they even have free time so that's less likely to be a blip but the further away you go from that type of a model the and and these things happen right then that certainly seems to be an indication that these sightings exist you could be thinking about somebody right and they just come into the room like why why did this guy's just what is this guy just come into my mind and then all in from the room so yeah this could also have to do with raha cottage it might not entirely be real hunk odish maybe that's what he's saying here's what it might be just because of the soul connection meaning the person's spiritual essence precedes him so that you're already kind of sensing that person's presence before he's physically there that might not really be real Hakodesh that's more it's not that it's not metaphysical but it's not part of Rue ha kodesh or maybe it is and that's why he says strictly speaking this type of thing isn't real courage and I think a thought is also metaphysical when you have a thought about a person that thought sends the that sends energy into the world and that thought precedes the person so that he might be very far away but that thought travels through the spirit realm it faster than light speed so that you already feel the thought before the Rafah before the phone rings and then he ranks Wow just thinking about you it's not coincidental because he was thinking about calling you and so he'd actually did call you and you kind of picked up before the phone ring so this would be a type of Rue ha kodesh um another interesting example this type of a thing is when you look around and somebody staring at you yeah yeah yeah and where does that come from what's that what's that all about how does that work is that role Hakodesh what sixth sense divergent wrote that could just be a consciousness a connected from somewhere it's not be nice yeah yeah I agree agree yeah thats I say before that your baby put it nicely now it's not necessarily coming from that it could be a connectedness was also metaphysical but it's not come as a result of an influx from God yeah it is oman therese essentially energy yeah yeah got my have bad things to do tonight that you know song yeah but yeah but it kind of happy right you're right so it kind of its it's more of a natural result of the supernatural world yeah but you're right here oh it's going to be time that is what it's going to be more of an influx a result of God's bringing some some some influx or onto this person so let's so it probably it might might have to do more with uh with a type of thing like like I say there's some particular scenario and you can't quite figure it out and all of a sudden this idea just drops in your head and and and that makes sense so either somehow subconsciously your mind has solved the problem or maybe some spiritual connection has been made which enables you to resolve that tension maybe that's how it works okay let's let's stop here for today alright in starting the new section I'm gula and tomorrow and the next day will work on on that the redemption you