The Ramchal's Essay on Fundamentals - Part 11 - Rabbi Yirmiyahu Ullman

we're up to page 180 let's start now in the new section on hush kaka page 180 in this version and if you have the English version then it'll be the section on Providence haha comes from last year lechia means to oversee and Josh gaha therefore describes God's overseeing his providential care over creation you might be familiar with this term in incautious jajaja am or how you a mush ghia yeah I an excellent year in any case magia jajaja Providence so Ian a hard-on bahu much gift Tommy dog called broseph he is constantly looking over with a providential I upon his creations well Mike hi mom luma na la casita cleese shabaab rom and he is constantly sustaining them that's mukama manala mean directs them conducts them kaffir tok lee's shebvar bomb according to the purpose for which he created them so that we literally say that not only is God the creator of everything but that God is made constantly maintained in creation as well like we say a macaw Deshmukh all yo mas a gracious God is constantly renewing every day the act of creation but it's not only something which takes place every day it takes place every moment and the idea is that if creation is a let's say manifestation of the divine presence so that God really would not have to proactively create every moment because God simply exists and existence is an extension of God so what we really one way of viewing this is more from the Kabbalistic point of view is that when we say that God is constantly renewing creation what that means is God is constantly affirming the process by which creation comes into being how is that through symptom by refraining from expressing his essence entirely because as we mentioned yesterday part of our notion of God is that God is not only infinite but absolutely infinite there is therefore absolutely nothing other than God anything that exists in the place of God is therefore just a facade it's a right it's a facade it's a it's a it's really a fictional reality and the way this takes place is that that really because of the intensity of the absolute infinity of God there should be nothing other than God anywhere there should be absolutely only God everywhere in fact there should be no space that we can even described as being everywhere right and and therefore right creation comes into being through what we call symptom which is a process whereby God with drawers or constricts the intensity of that absolute infinity in order for something that appears to be other than God to come into being that means then that God is constantly renewing is packed with creation by constantly holding itself back because if God were to as it were let that absolute degree of a flute infinity reach its absolute inclusion there would be absolutely nothing the other than it and therefore God retracts does what's called symptom minim diminishes somewhat the intensity of its absolute infinity in order for creation to right to seem to come into being as something separate from God however of course in truth the energy from God is ultimately what is energizing creation okay but if it were let loose as it were if it were expressed in its in its full degree there could be nothing that we were perceived as creation because there would be only got that requires therefore God to be constantly aware of and be involved in the process of creation through withdrawal and constantly overlooking the extent to which the divine energy is introduced into that place which becomes space that is the the realm of creation and in a way that's that's Providence it's God's constantly renewed evaluation of the extent to which God should either be withdrawn from or introducing me or introducing himself into the world this is hush gaha it's a balance a constant balance and it takes place on all realms of creation for not the know through the entire heart hierarchy of creation Lumina the ocean easy on ketamine I know she the EOS bow ass ahava helaina SH caffeine Azov since it was decreed by divine wisdom that the human species should be the ones who are judged according to reward or punishment meaning as we discussed yesterday receiving the ward of closest to God by connecting to God through torn mitzvahs or acquiring deficiency incorporating deficiency as a result of either not learning Torah not performing the business or proactively transgressing all of this is according to a person's deeds welcome o Shah Mardan levada as we described above gamma acabo mission amar shathe Bashar meaning the providential care overseeing of God over mankind is going to be therefore necessarily different than everything else why because there's what we call hush coca-cola lease which is the general providential I that God has over creation which is akin to what I was describing earlier where it's a constant reevaluation of the extent to which God with drawers or introduces his presence into the world right which certainly has an effect on the quality of creation and there's a flux increasing and decreasing weather jajaja practice which is God's providential care over human beings because not only is there a general need to equivalent creation in a general sense but God is constantly reacting and interacting with the world through the judgment of human beings and that's a much higher more specialized degree of Hajj go home right because extent to which a person is connected to God so he's deserving of God's connecting to him to a greater degree and extent to which a person repels God so it's causing God to make a commensurate withdrawal and that's taking place not only for every single person every single moment because we're constantly making freewill decisions even if those freewill decisions are not translated into action but we have we're constantly making freewill decisions how so if it's not in the plaintiff action plaintiff lot and the plaintiff speech right so that literally every single second we are exercising free will should I be thinking this thought or should I not if I should be thinking this not should I be think of it in this way or should I not and show anything about in this way you should be thinking about it now or not regarding that person or not we should constantly be thinking about what we're thinking what we're saying and what we're doing and everything we do therefore on those plane of thought of speech or action by virtue of the fact that those faculties are energized generate generalized excuse me or enter energized by nefesh rua neshama and that spiritual plane of nephesh row of neshama described yesterday is interconnected to the spiritual realm what that means is we're constantly in this state of interaction with God through with three through free will using these three levels of our soul and those planes of action speech indeed and and God is therefore interacting with us accordingly and that takes place not only with every part with what within a person but every single individual person Jewish and non-jewish every single person alive can you imagine like what God has to keep in mind yeah that's Oscar parties that's sort of that that's the that's the way in which God's providential overseeing is different regarding the human species than with other things Liz a so before continue to that mean kind of like so as God oversees the animal kingdom it's kind of like us breathing we can't control but most the time it just happens in Mongolia involuntary yeah but God interjecting into human life is kind of like writing piece of paper kind of writing a piece of paper writing on this game would that be a correlation or would it also be like beauty as well as interesting point the analysis are so different the breathing in the writing but because it's issuing it you know just thinking about it initially it would seem that even the relationship between God and human beings is it can be explained with the analogy of breathing and it's kind of like you know but I've been unsure but it's almost like there's an inhaling and exit there's a sharing of expert I don't know almost like a mouth to mouth resuscitation maybe that's what I have in mind yeah that God is like exhaling you meaning imparting the breath of life into creation I guess maybe that's what you mean to say in your analogy comparing that to to the animal kingdom but not only in a bit but all of creation the goddess is breathing as it were life into into creation is inflating creation although i mentioned have accomplished the point of view it's less seen as proactive as it was in direct so God is not like proactively creating but God is actually withdrawing in order in order for something to come into being but uh yeah with human beings it's more about like like writing a script maybe that took me like writing a piece of paper for a simple analogy Santa's list he was good today she was bad today bad yessiree you know cuz it says right here that you know it depends on our deeds that good yeah there's more than just making that judgment it's responding in other words it's making that evaluation and then responding accordingly today presence yeah something like a something like that yeah I mean Tellem says schensul hegemony ho the god is your shadow on your right hand and the Baal Shem Tov and Hasidic explains that what that means is God is shadowing you yeah so as you move your hand the shadow follows so when we interact with the world God shadows us accordingly and if we're actually interacting the world either on the plane of thought speech to action in a positive way then God is going to evaluate that and introduce and interact with the world and positive way but if casa column people are acting in a way of impurity repelling God so that's going to cause God to react as well so I don't know something called like shadowboxing like the partners are kind of like react responding to each other's movements like that so it's that it's that kind of a thing in a way so it's interesting that in this way we actually have power over God we're calling the shots and God is responding to what we do God is constantly maintained in creation it's true but in terms of is providential rule over the world it's really a rule which is generally speaking reactive to what we do so that we really call the shots and this is also connected to a different paths again chillum which says to new oath lelu keen to new give owes power little came to God so the more asks is it in our power to add or to decrease power from God God is omnipotent God's power has nothing to do with us what is it was double developing research new l's of you give strength to God empower god so good Mormons what is that we have the power to empower god it's true the guys I'm impotent but he said it the system in a way where his power is shared in the world commensurate to what we do and therefore we literally call the shots we have power to cause God's hand force God's hand to bring balancing blessing the world or we can also make the decision god forbid to force God out of the world as well we can force got out of the world as well so it's all at us to lose little Kim and perhaps that's why the verse uses the name ello keen instead of UK Bob k the first words I quoted was what Hashem sylacauga do you mean a hoe God meaning you'd cave of K he is your shadow on your right hand the right hand is generally concerned is considered to be positive like it says you mean a Shem or so high oh the right of Em's hand does those valorous things so Hashem UK volcano till haga dominica if you use your right hand for the prot and the right if you in other words if you if you if you act and right-handed way if you do the right things in the world if you're connected to Hesed you're connected to tour it you're connected the missus so a sham is going to shatter you and it's going to give you blessing accordingly soooo that Hakeem is you have the power to empower God and okeene describes God's power of rulership over the world and therefore we as it were have an effect on the way in which God rules the world to New ozaukee we empower God and therefore dictate as it were to God how he is going to rule over the world yeah you mentioned that God shrinks back in order for something else to take up the space doesn't that introduce a duality into our concept like if God is everything and what is still in the space is necessarily yeah so the there you know this is this is kind of like yeah this is a problem that arises from this field of coat of of kavala which is called master gracious and it's exploring this dichotomy that I was talking about before which on the one hand god is absolutely infinitely for nothing other than God yet we see there are other things there are things which seem to be creations which are separate from God and how can you have both so one way of explaining this is I was kind of suggesting earlier that on the one hand God withdraws in order for the absolute infinity of God to to create a scenario where the absolute infinity of God does not see or anything that would come into being out of creation on the other hand it's that very energy of God which is reintroduced into what's created actually it's the energy of God which is redirected in a limited way which brings about that creation so it's actually one of the same thing it's kind of like what would be a good analogy for this what results is a spectrum what result is a spectrum so that within the realm that God has withdrawn to as it were you have the highest degree of God's absolute infinity but that is gradually reduced creating let's say a different manifestation and a different plane of the spectra limited in place in the spectrum but that but that I don't know that that part of spectrum is still being generated so being energized by the source I don't that's the greatest analogy either but another way of thinking about it perhaps would be as analogy we've discussed in the path the past if you have let's say white light and that light well this might be a good example yeah the president algae right the white light is refracted through the prism resulting in different colors of the spectrum those colors seem to be different than the white light but in truth they really are the white light just refracted into component parts and they can be re refracted back into that engine ones as well by sending it through a prism again so that in truth the one light seems to be different then the different opponent parts but in truth all of them are actually the white light so that's what's happening here the in the intent that brilliant intensity of God's infinity is being withdrawn so that the multiplicity can seem to come into existence as something separate from its source although in truth that multiplicity is perfectly united and harmonized within the source itself within that one night so getting back to Java kia kaha Bashara minim who the cuba me know who voice of a hooky hug volumes about so is functional because the providence which is involved in governing other species it's only for the purpose of maintaining and preserving right that species according to the laws and the limitations that God wanted regarding it I don't did you mention something about zebras but particular type of the animal right God's harsh gaga over animals yeah for example zebras is only for the purpose of maintaining the species of zebras God is not particularly interested in any particular zebra and what happens to any particular zebra or at least the hush gaga over any particular zebra is not going to be a result of anything that that particular zebra does there could be a Chicago over that particular zebra for the purpose of fulfilling God's general plan for the whole species of zebras yeah but it's not going to be a function of anything that that particular that the organism did or didn't do thought it didn't thought or felt it didn't felt doesn't think it doesn't feel so the only purpose for Providence over any other realm of creation is just to preserve creation V&A yogya the project called me in women lamarche amegy an m/l quality nakula and therefore God supervises individually vahina yogya but practical even God will have individual Providence over any particular organism of every species only according not to the needs of that individual but only according to what God dictates is necessary for the entire species in general what was what I was just saying hello the mashed ahem machine but not according to what those individual organisms within the general species are keen a an attack these bum LLS flameless I mean equality because there's no purpose for the individual other than its being part of the general category so God decided that there should be birds in the world and there are many types of birds each type of birds has its own purpose God is not interested in any individual bird for that individual bird sake rather it is interested in the individual bird it's only insofar as that bird is one piece of the entire puzzle which makes up the species of birds that God is interested generally in having in the world ooh mom honey no no she however human species is different kohli shree shrah Meno every individual organism of the human species Malvado Ashima gili meno l closer so mean aside from its being affected from what's decided by God over the entire general species of human beings in a you shall be you could i'm not sure if not small he will also be judged individually on what that person is himself so you do massive Columbia hood and all of his actions I pointed out though it and strictly speaking I don't think it's limited to actions because it's relevant to most emotions to speech to thoughts as well but in any case all of the person's sphere of activities as faculties are going to be judged individually the eggs are a lousy rizvi a hood and they would therefore be decrees that our Creed over this person specifically specially directed towards this person Kaffee practicing you know according to know this particular constellation of this person's let's say life is spiritual state so then let's say for example it could be decided that God decides for whatever collective reasons that there should be a particular providential influence over a people a nation a geographical area that might let's say be one of bounty yet each individual within that sphere of influence that God has decided to write to act within the way of bounty will also be judged so even though there's general plenty any individual might not be privy to that plenty because he doesn't deserve it personally or vice versa it might be to create that over a particular nation or ethnic group or people or where the case may be that there should be some catastrophe nevertheless individuals will be spared based on their own individual merit and it's not just for the purpose of effecting the general group of people that it's the nation that he's a part of its as a result of this own person's individual activities yeah uh more two questions but I'll try to make it one where you have God's problems over the animal kingdom God's problem Superman we're separate because the individual matters with man and not the animal kingdom would it be God's providence it man causes an animal's extinction would it be what God's providence has been causes them or is that man going against god's love animals and himself and causing on to world it has a whole I think it would both like the ladder I mean I don't know what make sure I understand it correctly you're suggesting that you know could be part of God's providential let's say ruling over the world that he kind of sends human beings to go and eradicate animals because God like to dote over humans directly influence the extinction the dodo bird yeah was that God's providence over the dodo birds like the cycle of humanity or was that man she was your responsibility yeah yeah yeah we have a mandate to to preserve God's world and we have to treat it properly we're allowed to use it but we have to use it responsibly major says yes I've created a wonderful world but I'm only and I'm going to do it once so make sure you take care of it we have we have a mandate since we were created but selling of a keen and we mentioned that alkene refers to God's power of rule over the world human beings do not have the quality of you'd cave of k which is creator we're not creators yes but we were created but selling the king we were creating the image of God weird anything created a new God you have to look at the Hebrew Hebrew says were created with Ted another key which is Pacific name of God right allo keen there's a point the definite I'm elaborates on connotes God's rule over the world so God gave human beings rule over the world were like stewards over the world and that that means we have responsibility for running it properly according to the Divine Will and human beings can be irresponsible and set fires and eradicate rainforests and do all types of horrible things to the environment and and that's you know that that's going against the law of God if we use the world properly with proper responsibility even it involves taking the life of living things or eradicating other living things within the boundary of what's considered to be acceptable and responsible without harming the environment soap and so on the extent to which we're able to gauge that we're allowed to do that but it has to be done with the sensitivity that this is a creation of God it was there before we were and we have to show it proper deference right God God create us in a world which was ready made for our use but it was there before we were created and we have to we have to show deference to it and therefore no I don't think God would send human beings to eradicate his species maybe maybe it maybe God sees that for the balance of the food chain there has to be some reduction of a particular species so maybe God would you know send it but I think more and more and more often than not God would would would affect the natural world in a way which would either enable the increase or cause the decrease of these animals in order to maintain the chain God is not going to temper it's not going to affect our free will or rely on our being responsible responsible or not in order to maintain the food chain he doesn't need us for that will do that himself bring more water being less more predators of Warren last I think that's more now it's good the timesheet e dot second paragraph on page 180 you should know matsushita schumann amparo Saddam Ted halacha no listen a meaning the activities of human beings are divided into two categories hi yaad who modulo schools of over the one is referring to actions which for him will either be merit or the opposite of that liability thank you Dino she hace bought Mitzvah there for example if he does either mitzvahs that's one sphere of activity the plane of Mitzvah or a verra good or bad merit liability shany Marche no lo SE villosa then category are things which would be considered neither this or that they're not necessarily good or bad or Mitzvah or a verra or causing merit or liability Cain by Union low the Mitzvah well over there because they're not really related directly to admits VII or nevera DNA before I go on I the point of one dimension I said we were talking about you put it very nicely Justin when you're saying that the gods God's providential care over the rest of the world is only on the general because the individual doesn't matter whereas for human beings it's over the individual because the individual of course matters very much that being said certain certain strains in Jewish thought and particularly casitas does place maybe a greater emphasis on God's providential care even over the nonhuman world and that God is interested in every single part of creation the author here is also saying that God is interested in every piece of creation only saying that his interest in any piece is really only in consideration of the whole but in Hasidic thought I think you see it being a little more subtle than that and one famous example of this is I believe it was the Baal Shem Tov was walking through the forest with one of his disciples and as they were walking a leaf which was detached from the tree came floating through the air and landed somewhere not far from where they were and the disciple ask the boss sent of is God's providence as God's providential rule over the world this is overseeing I so detailed that God would even cause the detachment of this leaf and cause it to fall specifically where it is i mean is God's providential care go that far and so the Baal Shem Tov said yes certainly it is and you should know you go over turn the leaf you'll see why so he walked over and he overturned the leaf and there was a little a little caterpillar there and the Baal Shem Tov said that caterpillar was suffering from the heat and cried out to God for shade and therefore God caused one of the leaves of the forest to be detached and blown fall specifically over that caterpillar to give at respite from the heat so is it is it it's an interesting point don't know exactly what basis how cities has if this to the extent which is true to describe hush kaha protease in this way over the animal kingdom the nonhuman kingdom more than then then most of the rashon him seem to indicate but but nevertheless that seems to be kind of how citizens take on things of course it's still not going to be so much because of merit or liability because for example the caterpillar doesn't have that but at least God has compassion over all of his creation like we say AHA mob I'll call nas up God's compassion is over oven gration so God saw this categories that were suffering from the heat and the story describes it as the caterpillar calling out to the hot you know for for shade God's listening and causing that specific ya viene como una guia l'mitzvot or Vera regarding the first category anything that is connected to a Miss Rivera hey bears itachi a in whatever to whatever extent that might be cool o Musa by Auto Show haddam it's all given over to the hand of a man ain't no michi after Kol of clout nobody can force him to do a mitzvah or to do a nevera it's entirely in his power to choose to do either the Mitzvah or the Vera vow coulomb josh chief ashore italian and regarding all of these actions for good or for bad that a person chooses to do God overseas he got is the supernal judge on high and he sees the dunno some can see mashed ahem in order to judge people or the actions according to what they are good or bad the league's are connect them huggable really entered agree a befitting reward for them whether for good or for bad vahchef a new Indian low the mitzvot below there and regarding the second category which is neither specifically a mitzvah or nevera he indian album king in sha hominem Linda crane in this respect man is like all other parts of creation regarding the things that happened to them shi nae your Volvo kuya Elyon she no no I love there will come some power force on high which will operate on the person English mirror sukkos me know either for the purpose of preserving the laws that regulate that species Oh the Hagia harnish kisi Masha Allah or to bring upon him the reward of the punishment that is coming to him so he seems to be saying that there is the hush there's a difference between human beings and others and this is based on free will that's what results in hush kaha protease and God is there for judging and reacting to the good or bad things that we do there are other spheres of human activity I guess which are not Mitzvah or Rivera like for example I don't look based on the description here what he might be referring to ensure that everything is it is either miss Rivera but there are certain things which we call refuse ok let's say for example eating eating is our shoes of course within eating there is a permitted in a non permitted way but in general eating is not necessarily a mitzvah the way you eat is so therefore God is going to govern the human species according to the need of human beings to eat in a way which is going to be independent of any the way any individual assignment standing it the way any individual human being eats either as a mitzvah or nevera however God can also use this general Providence also as a way of bringing through bringing the person reward or punishment that's what I'm seeing here so that the there is a for the neutral activities of human beings which are not specifically Mitzvah or Rivera God brings about the influence of the world which is going to provide for the needs of the human species in general and this person is going to receive a general portion of God's general Providence over these things which are neutral and neither Mitzvah very human beings however included in that is the possibility that this influence can also be part of the Chicago politics of the person as well that's what he's getting out here when he says mean the shmira swim you know oh the Hagia lowes harnish consumer sure though or you can use this general form of ash cava also as a venue through bringing about reward or punishment so that for example God has to provide for the human races need for food and that's going to be a general need which is independent of any particular Mitzvah ver that that a person or that people do however since every individual does need to eat within the general decree that's decreed upon providing for the needs of the human race God can also decree what extent of that general decree is going to reach that particular individual so it's like a combination of both hoshko hub Khloe's which can also be modified according to ash garden parties yeah do you have the English up in yeah how do you how does he added as he translate the the last part of that second paragraph with regard to deeds that you not pertain to Richardson for man is no different in six experiences from any other she's in such cases he can be motivated by higher forces both in order to maintain the human race as a whole and to bring each individual in his appropriate reward or punishment yes I think that's fair did I think though the way red is is more or less consistent with the way the translator chose to translate it that there is a general hush kaho over human beings and even that jajaja can also be used and an individualized way to bring about a person's either reward or punishment let's try and finish off in the remaining mins we have here the this section DNA on the top of page 181 DNA oldenborg who behold the master may be blessed who mushky aah call call he oversees everything madonna's a call and judges everything will go there colleagues arose in the crease of the decrees Verma locking hen mischance of mamuni mullica be safe kiddo Lahani as a call big full of vim Hansel Odin Kid Rock of al saud agua como shimano lymala once God sees the way people in general acting or individual acting decides what providence either in general are particular to bring over person the way God brings about the result is going to be through angels right what are angels angels recall in Hebrew malaking we've discussed this when we learning the earlier section amala is really it is so called because it's rated to muhaha what is monica it's a servant doing doing work and that's what these will love Lamar malaking angels are not white robed winged creatures floating through space right malaking are actually pockets of energy which are actually divine directives through which divine will is expressed in the world and therefore when God makes a judgment what God does is it he sends energy through the particular part of the system of creation which sends a flux through that part of creation and it's going to result in either an increase or a decrease or affect the way in which the divine energy which is flowing through that conduit of creation is going to be expressed creation and this will be fine amala right so what I'm saying is therefore that God is not somehow going to directly affect creation but rather God is going to manipulate the way in which divine energy is directed through the channels of creation either to increase or decrease or to change the quality of that energy and therefore and that's how that's how the result that's how the change is going to take place but sonic they don't further you must know chef Appy shot on boy who Ben is your vehicle even though God certainly in truth does know everything with own a la minute of our and there's nothing hidden from him nu dear Miss Kadesh is it full out and there can be nothing new or novel brought before God that he didn't know of his own Union haga solo no umi spot of louis are awesome lpz however as far as the overseeing the ruling the governing of the world it's not done according to this rather Ella LP said i miss bottom sharat sabha rather it is ruled according to the system of judgment or justice that God put into place miss Donna the new Miss a mouth closed arts and this can be compared to the hierarchy of a kingdom in the world a worldly kingdom vidhana said voting but Betty did a michela malaking and therefore all of these matters which affect the world are judged in the courts of the angels the a-team Shia Dylan yanam based on the testimony of testifying angels that come and bring their testimony the cut the category shippuden and also choosing angels which come and bring their accusations Oh militsia she leads us loose and others which are speak in favor try and find favor as opposed to fault the coulomb Elohim shema some mashes of our new and all of these are different types of angels as we described above Ella the hall eid al hannah sable ilum all of the purpose is for them to come and give testimony was happy in the world elder the Koch egg Valley the highlights certain to speak against another's to speak for Vinick Mardan Kathy huh Mischa Barton on phone via Shah and the judgment is decided as God considers to be appropriate here he's touching upon a very different civil which is elaborated in the book and Erica Shem in part of the section of Providence and it's a bit much just to swallow in in a minute or two but if I can try and summarize what he's getting out of this follows is that God certainly is aware of everything that happens in the world but God did not set up the world to operate in that way rather God appointed it created a hierarchy of creation and therefore God is not personally judging the world but rather God set intermediaries in place whose purpose is to be like eyes that roam through the world and these eyes God's angels are like gods witnessing what takes place in the world but it's actually taking place through his agents and therefore it's described in the language of angels going to see coming in me testimony others speaking in favor others in false judgement takes place in the courtroom of these angels that's all in allegory it's analogy but what it really means is that God is not doing this directly but rather the whole hierarchy that God created to distant God from creation in order for creation to be able to exist that Hall hierarchy includes within it a system of self-judgment yes self-judgment and there are energies in the world which as it were are aware of what's going on have the divinely ordained ability to judge what they see to make an expressive Express opinion about it regarding to what extent human being should be considered culpable or not what favor could be brought or what points can be brought in their favor and so forth and so on and all of this takes place independently within the hierarchy of creation of course God is aware of everything that's going on it's not like it operates independently entirely but it does operate through it's like a system that operates through the auspice God okay and and if you ask so if it's all created by God and it's all known by God and it's all run and conducted through the auspices and the power of God so why is it described as being separate why can't we just say God does it himself so it's not an easy question to answer but I suggested an answer just a minute ago where I'm saying that that this is this is in order to maintain the necessary distance between God and creation because if God were to fully in creation then creation would implode back into God again and therefore God withdraws a higher assistant which is based on hierarchy is created spiritual and physical and all of the judgment that takes place visa V Providence that the venue province is part of that system as well kind of a difficult interesting idea so many elaborates warm inside the book of Jasher myself okay let's end here and tomorrow we'll go into the more mystical topic of prophecy and what's that about and how that works you