The Power & Structure of Selichos - {Shoneh Halachos 581:9-14}

this Torah class is brought to you by Torah anytime.com morning everyone sh we're continuing in we know that during the of so it's a of extra when we talk about to always review the words of what the of is says there are five purposes of one is to humble yourself before one is to recognize the power and the greatness of so one is one is another purpose of is to thank Hashem another purpose of is to throw your burden on to throw your package on hem whatever your troubles are to throw it on Hashem so to humble yourself to elevate a to realize his greatness to throw your package on Hashem to thank him and it's an expression of the's Yearning For so one more time you got the five purposes of it's the purpose of is only the following five things it's the yearning of the it's humbling yourself before him to elevate and and to thank him and the amazing thing is if you ask 1,000 people nobody would say these things they would say the purpose of is to have your prayers answered I need something I'm going to ask Hashem for it that's not a purpose of you hear this most people they come to if you ask them why do you DAV what do you mean I need parasa so I'm asking hasem so he could give it to me pal that's not a purpose of daving it is not one of the purposes of daving if you think that's the purpose of ding close the sither go back get back to the basics and study what is daving what is it it's not to have your answered that's not one of the purposes hopefully it will be that's not a purpose of daving means you could go through a shakas it could take 45 minutes and what have you accomplished nothing which means a person at the very least needs to identify in the the doing okay where is it where am I expressing my yearning for where at least one time during the daving you need to fulfill that where am I expressing my yearning for Hashem it's not the words itself doing it yeah but you have to actually think about the meaning of the words in other words you say the words and even if you understand the translation but you're not actually yearning forem you are M that let's say you say now so my soul yearns forem but you're saying that you're saying the words without any then you're not doing it you know you know your wife makes you a whole a whole thing thank you yeah that's going to go over it's a personal question okay you know you have to where are hum humility is a harha it's not words is a and it's not to have your answered it's throwing your package on hasem okay anyway let's get this is we're up to sim let's start with you got it this is very common you come to to there's no minion yet for ash so what do you do starts saying when you have a then you Sayes wherever you're up to you stop drop and Sayes you can't just stop drop and Sayes you have to say when there's a minion you say was this ever I use this this morning morning um the said we didn't have a minion yeah we didn't have a minion so but we um right somebody want to say kades so what are you going to do let's say the 10th man walks in the shaw could you say kades no I can't say kades why not cuz there's a minion now but there was no minion for any so I'm going to go tell okay go back and everyone together say you know it's very complicated so we all say m and then you could say Kadesh but it's not enough to have a minion in the building to be able to say right oh let's get a Minion for Kadesh doesn't do anything you can't get a Minion for Kadesh you need a Minion for the d That's M the kades two different condition that's after you right but still it's going on let's say k is going on AA or A mishna or or a liod which is he saying oh could he go back so the the the one who said kadish said it on the Miss said a Kadesh okay so we didn't get that KES no we never that's what right we didn't say the first Kadesh why cuz we had a minion but we didn't have a Minion for the Rish then we be able to take another we missed that correct no I'm saying it's it's too complicated to have everybody together say three so we we we missed it but we he we didn't miss it we got it back because we together yeah right the same the only way to say Kadesh is if the minion is there for the d That's mades so you're going have to say minimum what do mean any yeah from the in other words so you'll say uh whatever whatever it is you know so I always wondered is it enough to say those are you know is it aim or is it it sounds like it's aim ah what about if you had a minion in the beginning of and all of a sudden by the end of you know where' they go can you say the kades at the end of we know in general There's A din that um if you start something with a minion you could be masim anything connected to that thing so for example if you start with a minion you could finish let's say you have a guy he says say you have exactly nine people and you have a guy he says look I could come for two minutes so great come for 2 minutes let him come from the beginning of K then he could leave you're allow to finish the whole you could even finish I believe and you could even say the kades after because all continuation of the however you cannot say with the in other words with thees after that's might be a separate thing a bad dude though that guy's bad because says you brought down you it's not like advisable think that's a that guy is going to be in trouble serious the guy has to go somewhere no let's say let's say you need but say I would need the minion right call that guy in for two minutes you're not doing and he not through you why because because it says on him you mean the guy has to go the guy the guy is uh he's he's right guy he's learning we need him to be able to say so he says look I can't uh I can't give you more than 2 minutes I'm not giving you more than 2 minutes so it h it has value to us to borrow this guy person's in B trouble it depends where he's going and why he has to leave you know um so the the brings from the Mish that if you started the with the minion and then you left you could say Kadesh after the similar to what we say in now here's a very interesting this is something that the talks about and that is after we say we rarely say kades we actually only say kades three times a day after shakas after and after why do we rarely say because says and I'm slowing down on those words CU you have to know how to pronounce them it's why is it not because since it's preceded by and is a so if a is preceded by it becomes a say how do I know look in the Sid on top of theah there's a line top of letter there's a line by the way once we're on the topic when you say if somebody says kades it's notash it's it's a it's a mil why do people say because they're in a rush where are they running they don't even know they think they're running home but when as soon as they get home they're going to be given a job spend an extra few second seconds and say the word correctly I say says but okay anyway um why do we Sayad after we only say it after and the reason we say it only after is because we're saying please accept our but is not says no let's understand the pattern of the format of was formatted after namely is like and since it's like therefore at the end of they were okay so recognize that is like a and therefore there's a at the end not only is it like after that we say Okay so like a so we have you have you know the way to say is sitting standing and then you say however takes this further the says that the beginning of is like okay the beginning of is like and this brings us to an amazing between the and it's a very interesting let's say somebody comes late to do they start where the where the is up to or do they say Ash is as critical part of so says studying the words of that is patterned after we're beginning with ending with followed by the same way if you come late to you're allowed to skip but you can skip as CU Ash is critical if you come late to you can skip Ash however I believe says that Upon A Closer examination of the words of the does not say that Ash is the says before you right you have a there's a in there excuse me those thank you ah okay so if you look in the the the are by the way um who wants to remind everyone about we know there's a there's a form of called remember remember Nel what's nelam G if you want to see G at play you want to see G in its best before then you'll see it's m and it's finest okay so the wants to know so what's as it seems like ash you can make the case is why do we say now's for say if you come late you don't have to say Ash says if you come late you should say Ash so what should you do should come on time okay so this way you don't have to get involved this way you could say Ash you could say and you could say but that's a very interesting okay another principle look every begins with the words unless the begins with hashem's name if the begins with's name then you don't have to say so I have an interesting question for you I'm not sure why in this by the way what do you do you or the answer is there's no such thing when it comes to there's either or those are the two options Lithuanian or polish you say but I'm Hungarian that well not for S that's not an option for you either it's Lithuanian there's no ashn it's what what do they them say I don't know what them say there a version of the it it yeah so you say Hungarian should be Italians okay here we say minita even though I don't know why I'm I'm from Poland but anyway usually minita goes with ashas and goes with uh but I'm just pointing that out because uh for those who are very stickler for their I don't think it's as urgent when it comes to I do not believe are it's more um based on country of origin why is it that which is probably the most known of all the by the way if I may according to Minh Ash it comes out that there are 98 can I get the 98 of the in fact is 8 yeah so it's a it's a kapar and uh on it's a it's a protection for the 98 I don't know why it doesn't start I don't know but the rule is every starts with let's focus on those words because every is going to begin with those words that means we say to you're my God and you're also the god of Our Father which is an important principle in all of Y whenever we come to Hashem a person cannot say oh Hashem yeah I know you you're the that my father DAV to you know my father DAV to you and also my father learns Tyra he learns you know LMA for your name and I'm you know I'm his son no every individual has to have their own relationship withes first and foremost re you're my god when I DAV I DAV to you when I learn I'm learning when I do is for you by the way it happens to be that my father and my Z they also were connected to you but first ISU and then first is and then next pause it's he called out in the name which name Hashem you must pause between B and has so but I can't I'm saying the words so fast that I cannot even come up for air relax take a deep breath it's not a marathon the objective here is not to be able to say every word it's to try to say some of the words with kabana so you need to pause between B and and then he brings if you ever counter don't say back to back what about an individual who has to say what about who has to say I remember one time I had uh my uncle got married before rash I was learning N I had to come back on the plane I remember on the plane they had shakas they had on the plane the r blue Sher because he was ay on the plane he also spoke for like 20 minutes he gave us before we had the whole Shang but let's say you don't have a minion an individual could say all the as long as you don't say you ski those words last week point out any that is in Aramaic you don't say don't say if there's no minion what about before we don't say before you don't say perod before and you don't say except for because it's an is an allowed to leave his house to say no also allow to likewise put in his house he could going an is not supposed to leave his house there's certain occasions ands let leave is not one of them we don't let the other leave his house for we could have it seems like in the B do you say in the no what no no okay this is a very interesting manhog one more there is a minog brought that the person all the of the day and so if you're the for there is a custom that the one who the of the day after is not connected to it's such an important Minh he he he to and yard side and even if the guy is an and and has yard side we take the cane we pull him away and we put in the guy who Domin why is dependent on the says no the yard site he fasts now if the guy will let the take the for the end of for so I want to focus on this here why would the all the of the day if I'm not mistaken bring down the following whoever begins a Mitzvah we tell him to finish up so since he started the we say you know what you started so the asked the following question I believe in the excuse me he asked the following question really so do we do we tell every because you started the you ever hear of such a thing that the so if we don't say that the why do we say that the what do have toak what does have to do with comes the and he says no that's not the reason you know why the the same reason why the why does the cuz M used to be the least important alyah it's so not important you could even give it to a technically so in order to him we say okay you know it's not like don't worry we didn't give you we gave you we gave you um yeah we gave you m but you could have and you could you know you do everything it's basically it's a consolation prize you did this we're giving you a consolation prize so too used to be looked down upon it used to be like galila oh Gala okay so you could will give you Mar also otherwise why would he give you Mar the night before if it was because of we should give you the following however I saw on the from and I found the in the and the that what's the purpose of the purpose of you're giving a boost to the of the day it's that the the isak the is the is but because it's of because it's a of and it's critical that we have our answered we say the that we were intreating to be it comes out very beautiful is a of all the of the day it's a of it's a that so it comes out what's more important is more important the the of the day the are just a way of intreating that he should be day that's the idea of the Min that's codified that the all the of the day now B this custom is not observed um that that widely in theiva that I I learned in the very on this the day over here we pay homage to that custom the will say from but you know we're um it's not going to trumpa the and the mo and the yard side although uh there's a very uh important fundamental reason and whether we do put up the for all the it's important to understand what the purpose of are number one understand the structure of the structure are they're patterned after the of the day I have to remember I think last year we thought to say that if the is then there's a reason we say times it's really you know which it's patterned after we said says it's patterned after therefore Ash is critical says it's patterned after maybe we could humbly suggest according to this that the are intreating Hashem to accept theas of the day it's actually a microcosm of all three that's why we say three times so it's a way of entreating hem to be all three and that sense you could debate is Ash the ash of Shak or is it the ash of have a wonderful day okay take three recording stopped you've just experienced another Torah class brought to you by Torah anytime.com