The Message Of The Ramp

Firstly, a welcome home, Azriel. It's good to have you back, Azriel. Azriel, come. >> [applause] >> Welcome home, Azriel. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yitz, I I want the guys focusing, Avian. Let's go. Let's do it. Let's dig in. Oh, yeah. You ready, Avian? I want Avian, I want to study something, Yitzchiel. I want to study something I want that I don't know the answer. I'm not trying to tell you a vert. Like, oh, a nice vert. And it's nice to say over somewhere. I want to like study a possuk. I don't know pshat why Hashem's doing this. I want to tell you places that this brings me to. Now, Hashem's talking. I don't say this is the answer. I don't know the answer. Thinking about this brings me certain places, but I want to think with you. So, it's the difference in saying, "I heard a nice vert." And I'm not saying a vert. Hashem's talking to us. I'm trying to listen, trying to hear. I want you to hear this well. The end of parshas Yisro, it could easily be missed. Parshas Yisro is an like a parsha in the Torah, a very important parsha. Kabbalas Torah, Aseres Hadibros, like big things happen in the parsha. All the way tucked at the end of the parsha, the last possuk in parshas Yisro, says the following command, "It's a mitzvah in the Torah." Very interesting mitzvah. We all know we had a Beis Hamikdash where Hashem dwells. What does it mean, Avian, Hashem's in the Beis Hamikdash? Hashem's everywhere. What do you mean Hashem lives in the Beis Hamikdash, Yitzchiel? Hashem's everywhere. The Rebbe said the whole world is the whole world's Hashem. There's only Hashem. What do you mean he lives there? Hashem's there. There is only Hashem. But he doesn't retreat from anywhere. Not If he retreated somewhere for a second, it wouldn't exist. It is only God. What ever we say Hashem lives in the Beis Hamikdash, it means there it's easier to experience him. That's what it means. Simple shot. That there's there's big Torah, it's the easiest place to experience him. That's what it means. He made a place that's called simson. There's reasons for it. Hashem made a place that it's easier to experience God. In the Mikdash, you can easier access Hashem's everywhere. No, but you can easier I'm not here to like a lecture. I don't think that takes away from free will, but I but I we can discuss free will, but there's a place that's free will, yeah, and there's a place that it's easier to access Hashem. The words of Beis Hamikdash, it's easier to experience him, yeah. Sham navodcha b'yirah es Mikdashi tir'u. The Mikdash is a metzius where it's easier to access Hashem. Now, you hear that's just good to know. That's like at the simplest there there's things to study, I promise, but there's but the simplest level, like the way we could like oh, I could hear that. I could access Hashem easier there. It's easier to experience God. That's the simplest way to understand it. Now, in the Beis Hamikdash, there's a mizbeiach. It's a fascinating place. It's one of the wildest place to imagine. It's a mizbeiach, you offer things to God. That's that any thinking person knows. That's like woah. Like what? Really? A human being goes and gives a gift to Hashem. Does Hashem enjoy that gift? What's happening? God doesn't eat. So, what does that mean? Amazing place, the mizbeiach. It's one of the most beautiful places on earth. God is saying that I could get you can give me something. And that's part it's one of the great condition of the world. God is perfect, but he allows for that's the deepest Simson in the place where you most can experience Hashem. He allows that you can give him a gift. That's the misbehave. Incredible place to misbehave. The misbehave of the biggest condition of our existence is that Hashem wants us and wants our service and our service matters. It's the biggest condition of our existence. It's the deepest Simson of the world that Hashem made a creation and wants their service. The misbehave is a pillar. You go there and you give a gift to Hashem. That's the misbehave. Now, on this misbehave, there's a law. This is not such a famous law. I want you to know we're studying it today. You came on a Tuesday afternoon and we're going to study a fascinating law. The misbehave one of the most fast maybe the most fascinating place on earth. The place that tells us the human being is wanted his service is wanted. Give a gift to Hashem. Connect to Hashem. You're capable of deeply connecting to God. There's a way up to the misbehave. You have to listen to this. I want you to hear this. The rule is this is a law for you. I don't know if you know this law, but it's good to know. We're going to study one person in Hashem's Torah. We're not looking for words. We're looking like God's talking to us. So, Hashem says misbehave, there you give gifts to Hashem. You bring carbonized to Hashem. What type of carbon is to we bring have her? You could give a schlemiel. A schlemiel is a gift you just want to connect to Hashem. You have feelings of gratitude, appreciation, Akiva. You're just feeling good. You're like loving your family, Akiva, and you want to give a gift to Hashem. You could bring a carbon shlamim. If you want a random Tuesday, you say, "I just want to feel so good about you, Hashem. Hashem, I want to thank you." It's a shlamim. You can bring other carbonos. If somebody had bad thoughts, you bring a carbon oila. Somebody did an aveira bishgag, by accident, there's a chatas. There are different carbonos that one can bring. Some of them have certain requirements, certain things have to have to happen. Shlamim, you could bring on a random Tuesday. You want to connect to God, you bring a shlamim. Clearly, when you bring carbonos, Aviad, I want you to We're going to learn a possuk. You want to learn a possuk with me? I think we'll gain from learning a possuk. We'll know words. You want to hear what Hashem tells us? There's a mizbei'ach in the in the Beis Hamikdash, the holiest place where human being literally can experience God, and there's a mizbei'ach in there. On the mizbei'ach has the following law. I want you to know this law. Remember it for your life. It was taught to us by Hashem. Velo yisaleh b'ma'alos al mizbei'ach. No ladder of steps. Issur d'Oraisa. It is forbidden. You know in Yiddishkeit, you can't eat chazer. You can't eat pig meat. Do you know there's a law that up to the mizbei'ach, velo yisaleh b'ma'alos al mizbei'ach, you cannot have steps. Velo yisaleh b'ma'alos al mizbei'ach, you're not allowed to have steps up to the mizbei'ach. So, how pray tell do you get up to the mizbei'ach? Has to be a ramp. It is issur d'Oraisa, it's a law in the Torah, velo yisaleh b'ma'alos al mizbei'ach, no steps up to the mizbei'ach. Why? Lo sigaleh ervas chalaf. When you spread out your feet, there's a stickle like gili arayos, it's not such kavod to what's underneath you. Don't spread out your feet. Now, even though the Kohain Gadol was wearing pants, so nothing is seen when he spreads out, he's not in a robe, he's in pants, but there's some like a stickle gilyah arayos, it's not covered. I'd like to study Rashi. Rashi is quoting a Medrash. A Medrash is from Tana'im. Rashi's quoting Tana'im. I'd like to learn a Rashi. There's an issur in our Torah to have steps up the Mizbei'ach. There must be a ramp. If you have steps, you have to spread your feet very far to walk up steps. A ramp doesn't require the spreading of feet far. There has to be a ramp up to the Mizbei'ach, no steps. Very like anybody studying God's Torah is like, "Whoa, you care?" Yeah, Hashem cares. He's talking to us. He's talking to me. He's talking to you. And God has a command that he says, "A lot of rules here, rules. You're you're not allowed to walk with steps up the Mizbei'ach. It must be a ramp." What is this? Says Rashi, let's read the two Rashis. Kisha'at bo'ina bama, sheta'at bo'ina keves lamizbei'ach, when you make a ramp, a way up to the Mizbei'ach, lo sa'aseh umaylas maylas, don't make it leveled like steps. Ela chaluk yehei, should be flat. It's not let it be layered. Has to be flat umeshupa' and slanty. What we call ramp, assur d'oraysa to make steps. Rashi explains it. The words are lesalel bemaylas. It can't be a ladder-like. It cannot be ladder-like. It has to be flat and slanty. No ladders. No steps up, explains Rashi. Shal yedaya maylas, it's funny. I'm always into ladders. Now, all of a sudden, to the Mizbei'ach, you could I want you to hear. Text it to your entire thing right after, but I want you to hear the whole thing. If this If the guy is checking his phone also, then you're not with me. With me or again, I want in. No phones. You'll text to your whole Everybody should hear this on your list, but after we're done. There's some people who like guys writing notes during the shiur. I'd rather not. There's such a thing. People do it to help focus. I like two people talking. I really want to study Torah. He does like this. I really want to study together. I want to like We're not like saying words. I want to like connect to something. What do you say, Reb Ezzy? >> [laughter] >> So says Rashi, listen to this. Listen Says Rashi, "Shall you mylist through steps or rungs, at the you have to spread out your feet. You have to spread out your feet. You have to spread out your feet. There's no revealing of the ervah. Sharix also say bad. The cohen's wearing pants. Me call my office have say this. Spreading out your feet currently ervahu to stickle of of of a closed place. But the minute beside you'll be beside you underneath you. So don't do that. It's like not appropriate to underneath, explains Rashi. By call the claimer. It's the following call the claimer. Who have on them all of them all of them these stones. You're walking on stone. Shame them does have them. They don't care to be embarrassed. Yet the tire yet Hashem says, "How you say you need them? Listen I mean beside you. Don't be some sort of beside you this." Have your friend who's with you in the form of your creator. Who have beside you this. cares when you Allah has come a comma. Don't be a Mivazeh. So, watch this. God wants all of us to know when you're going on the Mizbeach to bring a korban, you walk to Mizbeach, the normal thing would have to steps up to the Mizbeach. That'll be the normal thing to have some sort of ladder, some sort of steps to climb. There are no steps, a ramp. A ramp, you come in here for handicapped people, tremendous respect, they have ramps. For everybody else, use the steps. Very normal, you come up to the Beit Hamikdash steps. All of a sudden, you come to the Mizbeach, you where the steps? There are no steps here. There's a ramp. Why? This way you shouldn't spread out your feet. Why not? Not to be Mivazeh what's underneath you. It's not so nice what's underneath you. Not to embarrass, disgrace. Cuz when you spread your feet, it's a little bit disgraceful what's underneath you. In a ramp, you don't have to walk far. You can you walk very close. You can just take little steps. In a step, the just so Aviad says, "What?" Then they walked to the Mizbeach. Yeah, they had running And by the way, by the way, there's no halacha. I want to express this. There's no halacha. Does it ever say the Kohanim can't take a big step when he goes up the ramp? No. There's a ramp built cuz it's saying something. On steps, you're forced to do it. It's built in a way like be careful what's underneath. Respect what's underneath. Now, there's no halacha. There could have been a halacha when you walk up, you can only go an inch. There's no such din. This not having steps and having a ramp is to teach us something that you should be very careful what's underneath. And the main lesson is the the ramp doesn't care, but the main lesson is your friend. Don't be nice to the Zion to your friend. It's a lesson. The ramp doesn't care, and still you should be careful. You need it. Be very respectful what's underneath. Certainly your friend should be careful. My question I want to ask every guy here. Hashem's talking to us. I'm not saying a flirt and I don't know p'shat. I don't have a kind of agenda of a p'shat. I have thoughts that this question leads me to. Akiva, do you hear this halakha? A law in Hashem's Torah. Going up to mizbe'ach, what's the law? Are you What are you not allowed to have? No steps. You have to have a ramp. Why? You have a ramp. Steps, you have to spread your feet out far. Spreading your feet is not nice to what's underneath. It's k'ilu if the person would not have pants it would be a robe it would be revealed in closed places. It's not appropriate. So you have a ramp you could be noig more koved to what's underneath you. Does the ramp get insulted? The ramp doesn't get insulted. It's a message if you have to be careful with the ramp that doesn't care, your friend you definitely have to be careful. Friend's not your ramp. It's a lesson. The same way you're careful to this, you you who doesn't even care but it's a reminder. Your friend does care. Be careful. Now why in the world I'm going to give a gift to Hashem? What What Elio? >> I thought it's so far-fetched. Elio says it's far-fetched. That's very That's a very fair question. Elio is like, "What?" But the guy on his way up to the mizbe'ach has some message. Let's say the mizbe'ach can talk. The ramp can talk. It's saying something. This ramp says be careful on that which is beneath you. Your friend, be careful on his koved. That's what the ramp says. Why is this the message on the way up? Let's say there was like a video recording that said this. Be careful with your friend's honor. Be That's what the ramp is. I like your Elio, does it really make me think that fair question. Chazal say that the point of a ramp not stairs is that there's a message of not being the value of that, which is underneath you. And my question, is why is that like why are we whispering to the coin going to talk to Hashem? Why is this Why are we whispering this to him? He's climbing the ramp to Hashem. He's climbing the mizbeach. He's going to bring a carbon. And there's a messaging of the ramp. Yechiel, you hear the rule You hear the halacha? What's the law, Yechiel? What's the law? Guy climbing the mizbeach, what law do you have to keep? There's no law, small steps. But that What's the law that you're not allowed to have? You're not allowed to have steps up to the mizbeach. What do you have instead? A ramp. Why can't you have steps? Cuz steps force the man to split to step far. That's You're forced to go up the step. That would be a minute bizayon to that which is underneath him. And you can't be noig bizayon. Does this Does the ramp care? Does what's underneath you care? No. But it's a message if you can't be noig to this minute bizayon, your friend who does care, certainly be careful. So, it's talking to you and saying don't be mevalish that which is underneath you. Be careful, your friend's covered. Why is that the whisper on the way up to the mizbeach? You're going to serve Hashem. Why is that the whisper? I want to say three things that I think of when I hear this. I'm not coming to say a word. I'm like really studying Hashem's Torah. I'm open to whatever you want to say. I'm telling this the real This is the halacha. This is the din. First, we have the fact we can't This is what I yet see what Hashem says to us. Avram, you hear this law? You ever knew this law, Avram? So nice to study Torah. Yechiel, you ever knew this law? I want you to say the words to me. I'm not making this up. Vilai sala. Bima'alais. Al mizbechi. Now, those words mean, don't go up by salah, don't go up by mailis with steps Al Misbechi. Don't walk up steps up to my Misbeach. Al Shalo Yisigaleh Ervas Chalav. I don't want you to reveal your erva, your private places. That's meva'ish what's underneath you. Don't do that. Now, that's a good question. Do you have to take small steps? Fair question. It's interesting. What? They do wear pants. They do. It's interesting. It's a whisper that's saying to a person, be careful not to be meva'ish your friend. Amazing. The guys were It's amazing. Do you know how Hashem expects I always when I read this possuk, like Hashem really expects us to think that's not cool. Like we're we're supposed to be curious. I think one of the greatest things we crush out of people is curiosity. I think got Some people have asked me two guys Guys are going to go learn in Israel next year. Avi is going to learn there in Israel. You're going to go learn Maybe the biggest thing is curiosity. I like Yechiel when a guy sits down to learn My own children, Tzvi, be curious. Like just I like explore It's funny. One of the guys asked me a question our second seder. I was so proud of him. Don't listen. You should ask that. Whatever you're curious about, like explore. Torah is like cool. You could find out stuff. Like reals Hashem really like tells us big secrets. Ben Yamin has found areas of Torah he's curious and I like that. He's curious. Be curious. Discover. And there's endless things. Hashem talks to us and is really telling us things. My son I am proud of my kids. Yaakov's curious. Menachem's curious. Maishy, Hudi. And they have found you could be curious in Torah, I promise. And like discover crazy stuff. Don't like hold yourself back. And don't let No, you're not Don't ask that question. Ask everything. Really ask, but be curious. But be open to like learn to start a sham. Tyra is crazy. Hashem talks to us. Let your curiosity go. We What When the guy asked what the husband and Kallah David That was so cool. With the husband and Kallah to go out liquid husband I liquid was like very smart. He was right like explore think you could pick the nudgiest thing in the Gamora you'll find like crazy stuff. Things are exact. There's like Now I might not want to look into that. That's not Right. Sometimes like I'm figuring other things out in the Sugya. Yeah, the higher the Sugya there's such a thing. But a guy is curious there's what to explore in every nook and cranny. Here Hashem There's a law in our Torah that when you climb the steps of the Mizbeach you're on a ramp. It's weird to climb up a ramp. By the way, ramps are slippery. They're not the most efficient. There's a reason typically to any building on planet Earth there's steps not a ramp. I have two floors. I have three floors in my house. I have a basement, a regular floor, and a park of Hashem a rich guy. And to get to everyone I have steps. There's no ramps. To get to my basement there's steps down, steps up. To get to my second floor there's steps. This is like the weirdest thing when you go up to the second to the Mizbeach you want to climb. No steps allowed. Assur Deoraisa. Memorize the words. You're not allowed to climb steps to get up to my Mizbeach. You're not allowed to climb steps to get up to my Mizbeach. First get the law. Akiva amazing. It's good to learn Torah. You heard this law? Look I want you to see the possuk. Come cakes. You're not allowed to climb steps to get up to my Mizbeach. Don't climb with steps onto my Mizbeach. If I shouldn't have steps, how do I get up? A ramp. It's assur Deoraisa to build steps. Somebody builds steps they did an assur Deoraisa like eating chazer. You're not allowed to have steps. Why not? Why not? Cuz not nice. Cuz Cuz underneath you you are vayish. This what Chazal tell us. This what Chazal It's funny. I like Akiva says like Chazal says don't go up with with step Hashem does say I don't want you to show a covered place on top of it. So Hashem says then the possuk I don't want you spreading out your feet. Means be careful what's underneath. Don't be mevaish. Comes and Chazal explain if you're not mevaish the steps, your friend certainly not. Clearly there's some messaging climbing the mizbeach don't be mevaish your friend. Now I want to express three thoughts. I think don't embarrass your friend. That's like the messaging. Now why are we telling this? It's a weird time. Anytime Hashem wants to talk to me I'm willing to listen. And by the way why should a guy disgrace his friend Akiva? It's a very good message don't disgrace your friend. Why is that what you're telling a guy who's climbing a mizbeach? For heaven's sake the guy's going to bring a carbon. He's connecting to God in a very deep and special way. And in his connection to God there's a whisper. Don't be mevaish your friend. Don't be mevaish your friend. Clearly I have three things that it makes me think about. Yeah this Danny. I am fascinated by these I'm not trying to say a word. I am really bothered the question I would ask Yitzy. And guys could ask other questions. The question I have Yitz that bothers me when I study this. And guys are asking is such a far-fetched message and I do agree with that it's like don't spread your feet. I And there's much to learn. Every detail you could think about here. It's like such an interesting and it's like don't spread out your feet. You're wearing pants Yitzy yes I I promise there's what to study and you could think about Hashem's turn, you'll be richer for it. And spend the time thinking about what he's saying. I'm bothered, Yitzy. Why is this the time to give this guy the message? For heaven's sake, the guy's climbing to bring a carbon and Hashem's talking to him. I want to hear what you have to say, by the way. Why why is Hazal the guy? Hazal is the guy I don't get it. Like he he decides his own things and now we're going to Hazal and see I decide something. I look at this for a second and I'm saying a whole different answer. Why would you just Wow, that's very cool. That's very cool. He said let's say I read this pasuk and I see something else in the pasuk. So that's a very good question. I like that. I like what he asked. I want to start I want to I I want to address that. I do want to say that the pasuk just to get clear the pasuk says don't climb up steps. Has to be a ramp, that's the pasuk. Don't climb steps and it says you're being nigaleh your ervah. Says that you're you're being mevalesh all of it. You're you're showing your ervah to the ramp. That's in the pasuk. Hazal here did say some kal vachomer. Now Akiva says let's say I see something different in the pasuk than Hazal. Believe it or not there were rishonim and achronim that would say learn things from psukim on their own and you're allowed to do that, 100%. We believe Hazal learned Torah with such purity that that's Torah also, the way our chachamim, the way the tanayim learned it. But you are allowed to study a pasuk and have your own thoughts, 100% valid. There Rashi will say Hazal say this and I want to say different. Ramban does that. Ramban Ramban does that, that's valid. So I want to express that. It is kedai to study how tanayim learned the pasuk, it's kedai. They they had a purity and they bring By the way, if you say a pshet in the pasuk hits you, I care about that. You're an honest Yid studying Torah. What the pasuk hits you, what Hashem's word Hashem speaks through us, it's called Torah Shebaal Peh. He writes something and a tzaddik learns it and how the tzaddik processes it matters to me. So, let's get the pasuk. The pasuk's remarkable. The guy is walking up the mizbeach. He What's the law? No steps, ramp. Why ramp? Don't spread your feet, don't be mevalesh what's underneath you. Don't valesh underneath you, certainly not your friend. That's what's said here. What And my question is, Akiva, why are we telling the guy who's about to bring a korban and he's getting close to Hashem, don't be mevalesh your friend? So, I want to share three things. Why is now the time and place to tell him not to embarrass his friend? Seems such an awkward It's not Is the guy trying to embarrass his friend? He's climbing up to give a gift to God. It's like him and God. He's not thinking about another person. He's not like He's an innocent fellow. It seems to me such a funny thing to whisper. A guy is getting closer to Hashem. And you whisper. Can you picture Can you I I want to hear. Can you picture, chevre, a guy is in the beit midrash late at night, 1:00 in the morning in the dorm beit midrash, you see, and the guy is learning Torah shhtark. And you whisper in his ear, "Don't embarrass your friend." What's this? Oh, okay, thank you. That's true. I'm just like very curious. A guy is giving a gift to Hashem. It's very nice to give a gift to Hashem. He's not trying to hurt. If he was in the middle of doing something that's like hurtful to somebody, I would say this makes sense what you're telling him. It seems so awkward. He's climbing up the mizbeach to to give a gift to Hashem. He's connecting to God. So nice. It's like wonderful. And you whisper something which seems so out of touch. Like, when you tell some A guy is learning late at night, 1:00 in the morning, you whisper in his ear, "Make sure not to hurt any." >> [clears throat] >> He's like, "Excuse me? Like, yeah, you're right. I just wasn't hurting anybody." If If you went to the gym during leagues and a guy's screaming at the ref and you said, "Please be careful not to hurt somebody." Well, I get it. You're in the middle of a tight DBL game. You've just You're about to scream at the refs. You're allowed to scream at the refs. So, I whisper in your ear, "Please don't hurt anybody." This guy's giving a gift to Hashem, misbayach. He's climbing the ramp to God to hand something, to connect to God. And in his climb to connect to God, what's whispered to him? The way Chazal explain it to us, Kivi, the way big tzadikim who studied Torah explain it to us with purity, just trying to understand what Hashem is saying. And the Chazal tell us it is a message of not to be mevayesh, not to be noiger minik chaveircha, your friend who's a demutza Hashem, al achas kama kama, don't be noiger minik bizyonis, don't be mevayesh. Care, respect your friend. That's this message of the ramp. And my question is, why is that the message to the guy climbing up to bring a korban? Like like what? That's my question. Fair question, Akiva? That's what I'm asking. Yeah, it's fair question. I like I'm not saying vertum. I just can't You know what I'm saying? I'm not going to I'm like really trying to hear what Hashem's telling me. He's told me something. I want to study it. I want to absorb it. I want to I have no agenda. My I Any pshat you want, I'm studying Hashem's Torah. I really Torah is very kedai. You really could study it and have opinions, come out with something, figure out something. You really could figure Hashem really talks to us. We could You're richer from understanding it. Does everybody have the halacha in the parsha? Very unique halacha, not a famous halacha. We now learned the pasuk in the Torah. We learned Chazal what they're telling us on the pasuk. And why is that the message the guy walking up Leo yes we're we're saying not to embarrass what the physical stones the ground I'm looking at the embarrassment is also sham and the guy is gone the guy is gone the stones but I'll I'll read the words you need them even says it says the Adam the minute beside you and you're being naive on the stones like like a minute beside you and you're being naive a minute of this grace the steps underneath you don't care yet I shall say since you have it served them you need them wait tonight I mean it beside you and don't be naive beside you and this things you need respect them so it's interesting yet he says why am I being naive anywhere I go I shouldn't I shall choose here to teach it to me yeah you should be naive beside you and to anywhere you should be careful on things you need think it's it's funny there's a sad day in months he have Schwab it's a big sad day in months he is in a little my butt today when he finished with his clothing he would like put them out in a very delicate way cuz he used them he had to respect to it it mattered to him it was a precious piece I like this type of behavior things that about you value that that served you well like like treat properly it it meant something to you like not to not to disregard disrespect he would like disregard old clothing in a very respectful manner he said they served me I'm not just like chucking them there's a certain respect so it's amazing says here but this specifically on the way up to the misbehave where I shall told us things you need and service you treat with respect service to you it mattered certainly and the the thing doesn't care doesn't get angry not insulted certainly your friend you should be nice. Something that serves you, be very delicate with it. And it chose to tell to me in this way. I You see, I And anybody would ask, are you allowed to walk upstairs? Yeah, you're allowed to It shows here a very delicate and sensitive way of saying that which serves you, be me covered. And certainly if What? That's what I'm asking. That's what I'm asking. Why is here and now I'm going up to make a carbon I'm very innocent. Why are you giving me this like sensitive lesson of respect to your friends? Respect that which doesn't even care. And the carbon that you're supposed to come to, why is that the message in here? Clearly you're you're intrigued a little bit. I'm like very curious. Hashem tells me things. He's saying something to me. I I always would carry the mizbeach is a crazy place. It's in many ways the base of migdash is the center of the world. And the set the base mission is the place a human being can experience God. The center of the base of migdash, the place you can hand a gift to Hashem. The mizbeach says the wildest thing that the service of a person is like I'm like one said like appreciates our gifts. It's crazy. Now you feel. To marry a lady you have to give her a pruta. Could she give him money and they're married? The answer is yes. If he's a Adam Hashav and him accepting from her is like, you're accepting from me? He can marry her. He gave her something by accepting. If a big person takes something from you, you like feel good about it. >> let me do that? It's like really? Oh my gosh. Yeah, I give things to guys here and I feel very I feel when guys take something I like a lot. >> [laughter] >> It feels very good. When an Adam Hashav accepts a gift from you, you feel good. If I ask Akiva, I give Akiva a gift, I promise you I feel good when you accept it from me. You gave me something, I feel good. I once asked my Rebbe, I once asked my Rebbe spoke about giving and taking. So, I he spoke about being a giver from Reb Dessler. I told him if nobody takes, we'll have no givers, and he told me the best givers take to give. There are times you take something cuz somebody feels good to give it to you. Wow. It's a time even a guy who's not a taker. Chaim Zev is not a taker. I know him well, he's not a taker. He's not a guy who quickly would take a gift. But if it makes somebody feel good, he takes. Makes somebody feel good. There are times that we're taking from parents. We've all taken a gift cuz the person really feels good when I give it to you. There's even a group There's even times There are times the main times you should take in your life is when the giver really will feel good. You Imagine if my kid said me If Moishe Moishe wants to go somewhere and I give him money, Moishe said, "I don't want to take from you, Tati." He'd be wrong, by the way. I I feel horrible. As a father, I promise I want to give my son, and I feel good when he takes. Feel good. The ultimate one who takes and we feel good, Hashem takes our gifts. The Mizbeach, you can give me a gift and I want it. So, it's crazy. It's So, the Miz To me, like the Mizbeach is like the craziest place on Earth. On the way up to the Mizbeach, Hashem whispers to us. He whispers to us to open the vius, your friend. Huh? Like, was the guy thinking about being a vius? That's my kashya. Yechiel, that's my kashya to the chevra. That's what I want to study. Yechiel, you with me? We're all with you, Rebbe. Thank you, Reb Ezi. Rebbe, do you think there's an objective When it comes to like the drashas and like what God's trying to teach us, it's up to us to extrapolate from the circuit, but like I want to study tires. I want to study tires. Is there an objective truth? And the tire is an objective truth. Avi, what are you attaining? Signing my tennis shoes here. It's a case. But if you if you're taking is a way of giving, then you're not you're not breaking that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Avi, I want to figure out what Hashem is saying. Hashem wants me to study this, and I want to figure it out. What I what I what I th- this is the question. I want to hear from Chaim Zev what hits you. Avi, let's hear what hits Chaim Zev in this problem. You ever knew this halacha, Avi? Isn't that a cool halacha? So, let's hear Chaim Zev what hits. I'm thinking that it's the cohen doing it for the Yisrael, so Yisrael [clears throat] comes with his carbon for something, and the cohen could feel like better than him. He could feel like, "Oh, I'm the guy that's taking care of this this guy's carbon." So, it's a message to the cohen to be sensitive to the person bringing the carbon. >> Wow. Wow. Wow, that's beautiful. >> [applause] >> Avi says gorgeous that if if the guy Avi said what? Yeah. Avi says if the guy himself brought carbon to the mizbeach, the message is to the cohen. The cohen served the rest of our people. So, the cohen is accessing godliness to the for the Yid. The the cohen is what? And to the cohen it says be careful your friend. You're like the man. You're the cohen. It's talking to the cohen. I love that p'shat. You're the guy like you're the spiritual guy on top. You're like helping the Yisrael. You're working with the guy. Don't be nothing to your friend. I I so appreciate what you're saying. I think there's a tremendous danger of people like the have and the have-nots. You can come to you you can the danger somebody can be in a position he's the he's the he's the cohen. And you're like the the the fixed one helping the the struggling guy and there's an arrogance that's like ridiculous. We're all human beings trying working. And the message to the cohen he was bringing he was I love that. I like that a lot. Yeah. He might just be right and this is the law Chaim Zev said it's talking to the cohen. He was in charge. He was empowered to teach to inspire to help be no you covered to the next person. Akiva there's a Rambam. The Rambam says that a rebbe it's a Rambam perek of hilchos talmud torah halacha yud gimmel. The Rambam says a rebbe has to be mechabed his talmidim. The Rambam says this. Now you get in a lot of trouble when you teach this cuz you sound very liberal cuz kids have to respect the rebbe and that's true. But a rebbe has to respect the kids. Now there's a respect for rebbe. I'm not changing the order of things but there's a din that the that the rebbe has to respect the kids that creates people who have kavod in them that can respect. And Chaim Zev sees it as the cohen who's going up. He's like assisting his Yisro so it says be noig min hakavod to your friend. Be careful. People even your people you're maybe in a way asked to be superior than your your the cohen you're like the accessing it. So the message guy I like that a lot Chaim Zev. It like rings that it could be emes. Probably is. I mean the Hashem saying here the message to the cohen is is right Russ what do you say to Chaim Zev saying that the message specifically is the cohen. There's somebody bringing the carbon. It's talking to the one bringing be noig min hakavod. You're in charge. You're accessing you're helping somebody noig min hakavod. I love it. I love it a lot. Shot one. I don't And this is what Avi Reichman says intelligent. Avi said, "Do you know?" That's what I love when we study Hashem's Torah. It is objective. You'll get smarter. It says about the mitzvah Hashem machimas pesel. They make the fool smart. Mitzvas Hashem teach us things and access things to us. Hashem means a lot. Can you prove it? Hashem's talked us really study. You'll be better for it contemplating the word of Hashem. Good things will happen. Hashem meant us to study his word. We're sitting here today as I don't want to say a fart. That's why I'm like being a little aggressive. Like okay, so I could say at my shot and a fart's good to say over. I really want to like try to like Hashem's saying something. He's talking like and then I'm moved by it. I can be moved. It can mean something. It can it can elevate me. I think that the messaging to a cohen and many times in all our life we're going to be cohanim. >> [cough] >> Yidden by their nature are mamleches cohanim. As parents we're cohanim of sorts for our children. As rebbeim we're cohanim. There's many A cohen is when you're in that position where you're assisting another, there could be a lot of arrogance, a lot of like the troubled one. I don't I don't I I think that's just awful. It misses the mark. Be careful. Be na'ig menahel. You picture the cohen and the sinner comes. You bring the chatas and he looks at like the poor sinner. Where is it? A guy, fellow humans. Fellow humans, be na'ig menahel. Be careful. And as he goes up the ramp bringing somebody else's carbon, he's taught it's a ramp not steps. Be na'ig menahel. And he's reminded your friend the respect, the beauty, the dignity that is his friend. He's reminded of that. I think that's beautiful. I think it's emes. I think it's MS. And could that be what I share meant? Could be. Could be very strong cuz I like the chat a lot. Thank you, I very very sensitive. Yes, [snorts] Benjamin, you like I am there for sure. So, why? No, you're trying to get closer to God and there's also the fact that career is I'm sorry. I don't know. I don't I don't have any like connection for him, but obviously there's some maybe some connection between them. Yeah. Yeah. I want to I want to express what Benjamin just said. Different idea than I am there. I want to express whenever somebody grows in this, there's always the danger. Somebody's close to God, there's always the danger of arrogance. You've acquired something real. You're going climbing on the bear. You're getting close to him. There's always the danger of when you acquire an MS of looking down at other people and and as you're climbing the bear and you're acquiring a real connection to God, Abby, there's always the danger of like seeing somebody else and like looking down as you climb, looking down on others. You're really climbing place and getting closer to him. Wow. And the message to the guy on the way up to the bear is don't don't use this that you're acquiring. You're getting real things. You're getting close to God. You're climbing the bear. Be careful not to be annoying to other people. There's the tendency as you climb, you could look down. A guy picture a guy and this is all real things. The guy's coming to share. He's coming to share. He's on fire. I want to say I like Abby a lot. Like tons. I respect you a ton. I watch as you're growing that you're nice to others and I see I see a world not not a judge you as you're taking and adding and growing tremendously. I respect that a lot. I think that's one of the I think I suspect I hear that you're climbing the mizbeach, don't be mevalish other people. There could be the tendency as you grow, as you discover Hashem, to look at other people in a certain way. And as you're climbing the mizbeach, don't be mevalish other people. You're climbing, you're growing, you're growing, you're growing, you're growing, you're growing, you're growing, you're growing, you're growing, you're growing, you're growing, you're growing, you're growing, Use this place you're at and and see others in a delicious, wonderful way. Don't use this to rate others. And specifically the messaging and the danger of climbing. Because you really acquire, you go on the mizbeach. You're getting real, you are connecting. Make sure it's not in a place to to to be mevalish other people. So Chaim Zev says, "How can What What do you want from a person?" That's a good question. I really have. I look at a guy. The guy I'm really The guy is doing good things. What do you want from me? I think the innate goodness that is a human There's an innate goodness in a human being. Be in touch with that. To recognize we all have We all have our strengths, but to see the innate goodness. It's a sugya, but I think the messaging to a guy climbing is to make sure to see good in others as you're climbing. There's a Chofetz Chaim who says very, very similar to this. Very, very similar. I want to speak I want to speak about a third thing that's So far we have two ideas that are like very powerful. I want to speak about a third thing that like hits me here that I want to share with the guys. Here's the third thing. So far we have Chaim Zev speaking to Kohanim. Whenever you're in a place of assisting another Yid, there's a danger of being mevalish another Yid. And Chaim Zev says it's a message to the Kayan. I like that a lot. And he might be right. We have Binyamin, a message to any Yad climbing to Hashem, that you're climbing, don't be mevaish, it's very nice you're growing. Don't look down at another. Don't be judgy on another. See another in a good way. We have two like beautiful pshatim that each one is worthy of of being of thinking about and analyzing. I want to talk about a third possibility. Here it comes. Okay, Binyamin, but I I'm I'm not this >> I think all I'm saying is not like it's obviously all-inclusive, but you know, it like you guys depend on each [snorts] other. It's not just you specifically, you know, like there's like a collective soul of like, you know, the Jewish people. Like obviously like there I I wasn't like forming like a contextualized like idea, but I'm saying obviously one has to lean on the other. So, the area you just what I heard the first time I said over, let me ask if this is closer to what you what I hear you saying now, because I have a third idea. Again, I'm studying a fact that there's a law, this is unarguable, Ari Yad, that you can't walk up steps up the mizbeach to ram. The Torah says not to be mevaish the ramp like segulah ervos kol Allah, don't mevaish the ramp. And Chazal tell us don't be mevaish your friend. That was the message in Avram climbing the mizbeach. I want to share, Ari Yad, the following thing, and I have seen this a lot in my life. I'm going to tell you a specific story, but it's nogaya me and you and all of us, and I've seen this a lot. I want to say the two pshatim that were already said mean a lot to me. Chaim Zev's pshat, I cannot handle when somebody's like a rebbe figure and he's the fixed and you're the broken. Be quiet, knock it off. That's not It's not reality. It's not We're all humans going through it. Don't be the guy to fix the with broken and broken fixed and fixed. And we're all trying to We all have fixed parts. We have a neshama that's wonderful. We have challenges. It's a sensitive area to me. And to the cohen walking up and saying, "Be noig men a koved." I think it's always a time to whisper to the cohen that. And I think that whisper resonates a lot. Chaim Zev, I think it's just the truth. It's a truth everybody has to be true to. You could feel when people aren't living like that and it just it's wrong. It's a sheker. It's a lie. So, I like Chaim Zev said a lot. What Binyamin, what I heard in Binyamin the first time, I've seen people growing and using their growth to look down at others. That's not it. That's not it. It's not the sugia. I think Chaim Zev did When people grow healthy, they didn't flip out and change. They discovered the normal way of growing should be. You see koved in others. Cuz you found yourself, so you should see it in him. So, we get climbing the mizbeach. It's you're actually climbing if what if what is is more koved to people. So, you cuz you've discovered yourself. So, then you should see it in him. You've discovered your own self. If shteiging is like some breakage of self and something that's not you, so then why should I look down at him? I like took my I took my tin can and made something out of me. What does he do? But if I really like uncover, then I should see goodness in him as I'm growing. I should see in him what maybe he doesn't see in him. The I want to share a third a third chat Akiva that I've seen in my life that I that I've seen as a truth in my life. I'm going to say it from a story, but I'm I'm bringing The story moves it away from me, but I it's it's magaya me and you Lally and I want to share this. I would actually say this to any guy in the dorm. I picture a guy in the dorm trying to shteig, trying to grow, he's trying to go to share, he's trying to stake, and then like one of my roommates fit into this as annoying roommates, the people around them, they hold them down like I want it There's a lady There's a lady who I respect a ton. She lived in a forest in in um She lived in a forest in Massachusetts for about 15 years. She was serving Hashem, very fascinating person. She started became a baal teshuva, started serving Hashem. She moved to Eretz Yisrael, she got married, and she didn't want to have kids. And I want to express this is somebody in the most sincere way was getting up crazy early in the morning. She was praying a lot of the day, a very serious servant to Hashem. And she visualized having kids as a disruption of her service of Hashem. She's now going to be busy with that. It was a disruption of her service. And she went to ask the Amshinov Rebbe that maybe she shouldn't have kids. She went to ask the Rebbe maybe she shouldn't have kids. Remarkable, she was very close to the Amshinov the Reb the Rebbe's wife, the Rebbetzin. She asked for a meeting with the Rebbe. She got a meeting, the Rebbe's hours are wild. She got a meeting 2:00 3:00 in the morning with the Amshinov Rebbe. She comes into him to ask him this shaila maybe she shouldn't have kids. When she goes in the Rebbe is a servant of Hashem. I don't I don't want to say things now. I don't think he sleeps more than a half hour straight for the last many years. He has a whole system. He's a fiery eved Hashem, Amshinov Rebbe. He's a very big person. He makes Havdalah, he keeps Shabbos till Tuesday. He does not do melacha in my understanding till Tuesday. That Yeah. He's a very very holy special person. I believe he makes Havdalah on Tuesday, but I don't know exact. But he's a very, very big tzaddik. Remesha was asked about him a long time ago. Remesha declared his year of shamayim. He's a very, very big Remesha of Einstein was asked about his money. Is that possible? I believe so. He said his year of shamayim, I believe so. The bottom line is the bottom line is is that he's a big tzaddik. And she goes in to ask him the shaila maybe she doesn't have enough kids. When she comes in Chaim Zev, he had his grandson on his lap and was playing with his grandson 2:00, 3:00 in the morning. Somehow seeing the rebbe, I can't explain this to you. She comes in, maybe I shouldn't have kids, and this holy, pure man has a grandson on his lap and is playing and she has no more question. Somehow seeing his love and focus, she like understood that part of the biggest growth she had two children. She was an older lady, she had two children. She had children. The rebbe said, "What's your question?" She like she didn't have any anymore. Somehow seeing him play with his grandson told her what she needed to hear. What I want to express is for many, many people trying to grow, trying to steig, it consistently can look like people are in the way of it. To the coil guy who's trying to steig and then he has to like balance, he has a wife, he has children. And the message of Hashem that the climb the mizbayach, be careful with your friend, not just as a warning, as a way up, that's the ramp itself, that's the way of climbing up. Not just like, well, it's a warning, well, what [clears throat] The method up is a is a ramp up which itself speaks about honoring your friend. The ramp up to the mizbayach is a sugia of kindness, of of caring, of That's the the deepest and best way up. All of us will have things in our life. We're trying to tiger and annoying roommate. It feels he's in the way. The ramp up itself is a ramp which says be nice to your covenant. And all of us when we take the time for the people in our lives that are right there and we're and and we learn to respect, to understand, to appreciate, that itself is the path up. Not only is it not in the way, not is it is it a warning, the way up is a ramp which says be nice to your covenant to your friend. That's how to you climb up a ramp. That's how you get up. Read my mind. I think I think that's what strikes me a lot because I see in all our lives the different I see the difficult things, the difficult people, difficult circumstances that one could see it as a like a frustration in trying to climb. I'm just trying to climb. I'm just trying to And then you have this engaging that is the way up. Through that is the way up. That's what I want to suggest and what I hear from this is the ramp itself, the very way up is a ramp which says be nice to your covenant to your friend. Be nice to your covenant, take the time with patience, with concern, with care. The ramp itself up to the misbehave talks like this. That's what that's that's what I want to say I see in this. This lady just wants to be close to Hashem. She's children, I'm changing diapers. That's the ramp up. The ramp up it says be nice to your covenant to those around you. Those responsibilities she was worried that those responsibilities and worries and care would detract from her relationship. I actually think that becomes the very ramp up. That place that she makes space for the other, that she cares, that she's taking care, that she's concerned becomes the way up. It's not in the way, it's actually the ramp itself. The The method of climbing is that which says, "Be no your covered care." Hashem puts the people in our lives through the care, through the concerns, through the presentness itself becomes our vehicle of climbing. That's >> Rabbi That's what I want to suggest here. Yeah? Now we can write. Now we can write. I I think there's I think there's a beautiful truth here. I want to even In Yeshiva, I want to say that most of the steigering There was a reason I was taking some account for recently. Most of the steigering I see in guys is through the relationships in their life. It's not like a side thing. That The guy working on his mother, his father, his own kibbutz, his own relationship, his brother, his sister. That sugia is not like this side here. I have like I'm trying to steig, and I have like this this side like I'm like fighting with my hands tied behind my back. I picture a guy as a difficult sister. So, here he's like trying to grow. Not only have to grow, but I have like a sister I'm in this war to grow. I have like my hands I'm being pulled I look at it that the difficult things and the situations as the person's embracing and engaging is the very path up to Hashem. So, the ramp itself talks, and the ramp The climbing up has a message. Be careful with who's not Be careful with this covered. That is the ramp up. Not even though you're climbing and still That is the path up. When I'm honest and I see guys, I've had many bathroom where where they all of a sudden like a guy has a difficulty with a mother or a father that feels a certain love not expressed, whatever the thing. So, they say, "Here I'm trying to grow and and embracing that and engaging that in healthy ways, talking, figuring out. I see crazy steig towards Hashem. Like incredible growth towards Hashem in processing this. Hashem puts us in situations that bring out our sugia, that bring out our kirvas Hashem. They're not an impetus, they're not in the way, they're like that's your journey up through the sugias of the people around us. That's what I want to suggest to the chevre. That's That's what I hear in these psukim. I think it's cool that the ramp to God is a ramp that says be be be be noye koved to the people around you. Now you could ask on me, so why is it koved? It means coming to relationship that I can be mechabed. So there's a sugia in each one around me, but chavercha shol dmus ya itzrach magno b'zeh achas kama kama. Be careful this koved in that sugia of being mechabed, of coming of coming to a place of koved to the people around me, that is the ramp up. I don't think it's just like a warning you're climbing. That's what I wonder Chaim says. What a party. I think so. I think so. Don't look at me as like I'm in your way, Raven. I don't want to say the word answers the question cuz if I if it answered the question then I won't be bothered next year. I want to say that in thinking about the question, this is what it this is where it brings me. Do you know what I mean? When you say answers the question, if a guy asked why is Levi spelled with a pay, I can answer that question. What's the answer? It's not. That's an answer. When you say does that answer so Chaim you won't be bothered next year, and I'm going to be bothered next year. I could This question is like fascinating. I could say that thinking about this question brings me here, and I suspect Hashem wants to bring us places, that's why he says things. You hear Avi what I'm claiming? I think that tie in with other people too. I understand like not being advised on others while you're going up, but like why is that specifically I think that brings us up. Coming to a space of respecting the people around us is the ramp. >> in our life is THE RAMP ITSELF. OW! I'M TALKING ABOUT REALLY coming to a place that that involves sugiyos to get to a place to respect people is working through our own hurt, coming to a space of seeing my listen people. I think that alone brings us places. I've seen this. I could say this that as a fact that a guy typically comes to Yeshiva, he comes I want to grow and then he has like side problems, those things and resolving and embracing and figuring out bring him to crazy heights. I've seen it. I've experienced this. I've watched this. Is that that's Yes, Binyamin. I just want to add something on top of what you're saying. What who's saying? I like him. Um but you know, obviously you have your own inner world that you're like you have to work on and then there's obviously the outside and then working with it like I'm I'm saying they work hand in hand obviously, but I feel like one comes before the other. You have to have a sense of self in the inner world before I think all the working out with others comes from a place of sense of self a thousand percent. I don't think there's a sugiyo of work. The note the note of the ben adam to the ben adam atzmi. It's funny how we're in tile discuss the Yeshiva which I didn't It's not about the Yeshiva. We discuss personal growth. He said that the first sugiyo is ben adam atzmi, there's a self. Before you have ben adam makam and ben adam haver, there's no there's no ben adam haver till there's an adam. I happen to agree with that. The sugiyo of any covet of the people around us has to contain be good to another. I you don't even know you The typical answer, by the way, the father What's the typical answer of the father who's bad to his children. I hate myself. That's like to if you're deep deep and brutally honest, the father was like tough on his kids, he's angry at self. Every first Sugya is Ben Adam Atzmai. It has to be that way. There's a self. So, we talk about a Sugya being mechaber others, when I mean that 100%. You won't come to any deep place of mechaber others if you're not in a space of of acceptance of self. You It won't happen. I agree I can't agree more. I'm saying I want to express something, Binyamin. I'm a guy I'm I'm very bad of doing two things at once. I don't work well like that. I get like overwhelmed. I might as one task and then I get like I might I can't like well pull them that one thing one thing one thing. A person it could feel like that he's trying to steiger and he have people around him. It's not two Sugyas. Hashem put in our lives the exact situations that bring us up to Misbech. It's not while climbing while How do we know what to surround ourselves and who to surround ourselves with? There There That's That's the truth of of of surrounding and then there's something that Hashem puts by us that are there that are that are [clears throat] factually there. Resolving being present to those I don't think that steiger and ignoring the people that Hashem put in our lives. I think through coming to an honest space. Now, a space of respecting people is is a Sugya and really coming like learning those Sugyas out of pain of to a guy like me hearing this Hashem Zev is like so geschmack that it's not like different poles and where do I go for I'm trying to climb and then the guy who's trying to climb and has a child Hashem sends a child. He He I'm trying to steiger. How many people feel I'm trying to steiger? Here's my son who's struggling with these things. No no no no no. Hashem gave you that son. Hashem gave you that daughter. This is your path. Now you know, by a child there's no question. Now, Avi's right and Binyamin's right. Their case is Sugyas. I think Avi just said who we surround, but that's a Sugya. And Harchech Mishochein Rad is a Sugya. There's some case that Hashem puts us Our children are exactly our path to the Shtaiging. I would dare say our children are the ramp up, our parents are the ramp up, our siblings are the ramp up. They are the ramp up itself. That's That's what I'm hearing. I don't want to like be a bully, Chaim Zev. I don't know Chaim >> You're being a bully. I want to express learning these Psukim what hits me. Zvi, is that fair? That's what hits me. But again, I don't know. I think the Halacha Kiki, you like this Halacha? I like this Halacha a lot. The ramp up to the Mizbeach whispers to a person, don't be Mevayesh that which your friend. >> I love it, brother. That's what Chazal say. You already said first we need the first one Like we need the four before we need the five we need the I say this Ishtaiging, it's like there it's like the deepest Sugya. If you want to know your blueprint up, study who Hashem put in your life. What? This is Shtaiging itself. This is the Torah will speak to this. The connection to Hashem will come by way of this. That's That's what I'm thinking. >> I think more like Avi was saying that you find your plan, you find your your own You run away from the parents and everything. Maybe then you could come back but That might I would say that in the Sugya of Binyamin that the first has to be rather Matzmi. To be Mechabed is a deep Sugya. To be Mechabed people around that will start in Adam Matzmi. And in that Sugya, whatever it will take to find self, I agree with that. Thank you, Avi. Wonderful. We We're climbing a little bit, I think. We're getting some places up the up the Ma'alos. >> Message of the ramp. Is that right? Yeah, 100%. How can we learn the put We're trying, we're studying, we're doing our best. Hashem said a possible we really will miss buying in a bit. We analyze even for a few minutes. Hashem says Tyra Avinu wants us to think. So, this is studying Tyra. I'll be like ask the question. I didn't You ask the objectively Hashem wants to study Tyra. Yes, he really That's limit of Tyra. And he wants us to be miss buying in Sukkot Hashem. There's a possible in the Tyra. We just spent 40 I have a long we just spent a half hour studying Tyra. There's more to study on this subject, but Isn't that amazing? That I mean that's very fascinating. I like that question. Why does Hashem talk Why does Hashem talk like this? Say it out loud. Say >> [snorts] >> Very strong question. I think I think what Svi says I think there's an amount he wants us to like connect to the thing and process thing. There's like action to process. >> Top 10. studying there's noticing like a subject of connecting. But I wonder the same thing. It's interesting. Even what you're saying reflecting this bay up. But every year it's thinking about this. Do you the coin is the one that spoke directly? He's like a mildness. But every year it's studying the parsha of the misbehave as the base of migdash and it's the center the base of migdash. Every year it studies this weird phenomenon. It's a ramp there. That's weird. Say this. But what's the Because we learn Tyra and we're studying something. We're studying We study the Tyra saying something to us. It's talking to us learners of Tyra. Somebody hears something different climbing the misbehave. Don't be people around you. Is that people What you two have some shot even though you're climbing or is that the way to climb? That's what I'm saying. Few ideas that come to mind. Shkoyach everyone. Thank you guys. Can I say something?