The Lomdus of Nezirus Shimshon {Daf Hashavua Iyun Sugya Nazir 4b}

Yes. >> Okay. Dalif discusses a new kinds of nazeros called nazer shimshine. The main difference between nazerus and neros shimshine is nazerus. If your hair gets heavy, you could cut it with a razor. If you do, you have to bring three carbon. If you become tame, you have to bring a carbon to naz or shimshine. You cannot cut at all. If you become you don't have to bring a carbon and the Gar ultimately says no actually you could become the Gar then says what there's something called nershine that seems to be not like shim because we have a rib says because we find says why shimshine himself 12 never said the nazerus it just was imposed by by the malik the simple way of understanding of shim is there is no such thing as shimshine that's the suga in nazir comes the rash in see if I could put it up here and the rash in has a whopper of the rash Sh says it's not true that Shiman holds there's no such thing as nershine. There is no zeros shimshine. There's no such thing as nazer shimshine. If a person says a person is mf than a zeros of shimshine. If somebody says Harini let's say somebody says I am like Shimshine so I want Shimsher to extend to me it's meaningless what do you mean you want himself never took it upon himself the that says if you're but what if a guy says meaning all the deal with the following was nazer or is it is it a type of nazerus that exists then would be would shim agree that I could say noshine in other words like this I'm not taking shimshin's nazerus and uh pulling it onto me I'm just saying I want to be another Just like Shimshine was in. Could you do that? Rash says, "Yeah, you could. You could." When the garra says, that's when you want to spread Shimshan's nazer from him to you. You can't do that. He's like, not a but. But if you want to say, I want to be a nause. That's effective. says the reason holds you can't say I am aer like was aer Let's say you say you're user to me like my mother. That's the okay that's the of the rash meaning you know you learn our suga and it it would seem to come out according to there's no such thing as nershine it was a one time says not it's not true you could say I am a nazer just like nazerim where you're saying I want to be a nazir And the type of Nazeros that you want to accept is the Nazeros of Shimshine. You're not extending Shimshine's nazer to you. That you can't do. You can't say but you could say the has a problem with the rash because that does not fit into our gar because then why does the garra say our Mishna is not like rib shim? Then the Mishna could be like ribbon. The Mishna that uh refers to Nazer Shimshin could be like ribbon in how where the guy says Let's see now if we could learn another mahalak in this. Okay, let's see if we could crack this. Sorry for the delay. the they changed the whole format of the daff they don't give the mar so I have to find everything and some of the material is not even a okay we're going to try this he's quoting the garamar ple says whether Shimshine helps without So the the Rosovski is arguing on the rash without the there is no concept of shimshine. The Rash says, "No, you could say and there I could accept upon myself independently without asked on that. Then why can't our Mishna be so rejects that he's going with the there's no way to there's no concept of without Listen carefully. When I sayshine, I am trying to extend the the man named Shimshine. I'm trying to extend his actual Nazeros. The question is, can I extend actual it seems like they argue in the tano of Rabakov and Rabio. Is it not that holds like that the same way you could be matt from? Because you don't need therefore you could bear you could be and holds like that it has to bear therefore you can't be mad and you can't be madsh and the garra answers no everybody agrees you have to be mad assers because is also because it's a mitzvah. Now the gar is what's in that there's a bar everyone holds you need meaning what would you say the garumar's conclusion is the Gumar seems to conclude that Rab Yehuda and Rab Shim disagree whether by you have to be mad holds like that you need and therefore you can't be mad and therefore you can't be madshine and the conclusion of the Garra is no everyone agrees you need Ra assers is and you see matters because he holds is not. So why does hold you? So we said right look in the of the and is different because it says that's the reasoning of according to it's that even what about Nazeros. So we saw in the rush Nazeros is either it also says Lashem or Shimshine himself made a Nazeros. The Rush says that according to Rab Yehuda Shimshine himself made a Nazeros. So what do they argue about? The reasoning of Huda is you don't need it's only by everyone holds you needar. So he brings the following question. So it should come out it should come out that we hold you do need we hold you need so we should pin that shimshine should not work yet we hold does work and yet we still hold you need to be mafid I don't really understand his question because we saw in the rush either we have exerv or it is a neither because Shimshine himself made the Nazer but he brings the Kanra writes that the reason why Shimsh it's because we find in the category of in general so even though Shimshine itself is not as long as in The general category of Nazeros it's you could be matis. He says though it's not so simple just to say that just because in the general category of nazeros there's that should allow because the category of shimsh is a completely different nazer you beim you're not the shimsh only came through the malik didn't come through anam so This brand of Nazeros is for sure not. So how could he be mad in it? He doesn't accept the Kan's answer that the reason why we hold you could have shimshine is because in general is but in this category of Nazeros it's not neither of at all. So he says something interesting here. Let's see if we could understand it. He says it seems that the explanation is the Rambam writes in Shimsh was not a complete nazir. What? He's not a complete nazer. I thought he's a full-fledged nazir. just certain don't apply to him and he therefore could be mamem the ram's mash that what is nazer shimshine it's not a new category but it's a nazeros you see the ram implies shimsh is not a new category of nazeros a type of nazerim nazirus of shimsh is a guy who's only a partial noair it's ano nazer gamur The reason you're allowed to be in the M is not because this category of Nazer is the it's because he's in his he's only a partial Nazer there's a gam and there's but it's it's the reason why you could be benazim is because it's it's a something which is neither I this category is not no this is because this category it's not a separate category you see the the is saying nazerus of shimshine it's not a new category of nazerus that the laws of don't apply to it's it's like a watered down version of nazerus he's it's in the nazerus it's a partial nazerus but in this category of nazerus the kinds of Nazeros that are neidarid although this kind is uh not so you could be shimshine because even though the shimshine is but it's part of the general category of what's need in other words what what seems to be saying is that it's not that nazer shimsh is a third category. It's not like there's there's ner of 30 days, there's nazeram and then there's ner shimshin. Nazir shimsh is not a third category. It's just like a watered down version of nazir. So even though this watered down version is not something you could just create out of thin air, a person can't get up in the morning and say I'm a nershine. No, you can't make that. Only an angel can make that. But nevertheless, you could take um Shimshine's nazeros and spread it out to yourself. I Shimshan's nazeros is no in the category of Shimshan's nazeros is something which is diver even though. Why? Because it's not a different category than regular nazerus. It's just a watered down version of Nazeros. and rip shim shim holds that that's not good enough it's not good enough to be it it has to be by itself and therefore if you say it's meaningless it can't extend it's not it's a >> but is there a category Shimsh according to Rimman. >> According to Rimmo Rosski, no such thing.