The Lomdus of "Mai Chanukah"

this torah class is brought to you by torahanytime.com okay good morning we're going to examine um in the first segment of today's learning a few points of london's on the classic amara and mr chavez i'll read you very briefly hanukkah the tone of you know there's a famous comment of uh fair slime of radomsk hanukkah what's hanukkah the tanura bonon to learn that's what hanukkah is live on the 25th day of kislev you know eight days of chanukah delay the mistborn not to eulogize not the fast when the ivana entered the timu they were matame all the oil on the government and when the kingdom of the house of the hashman prevailed vinod and they were victorious badku they searched they only found one jug of oil but the next year [Applause] so just an interesting point is that it says the ivana where matame all the shemanim taisus discusses over here how were they metame or the shemanim well very simple they opened it they were metabe they touched it but then the question is but this particular jug this was sealed so taisus is bothered even if it's sealed there's a gezero drab on that could be matame a sealed clicharas behesif even though clicharus is only metame from the inside but if you move it if a moves the clicharas he's matami becaset so the shaila is that's the dindara banan and we know many of the dine dragon were posthanaka so maybe you'll say this jug has has been preserved because it's it's before the xera of thomas says even if they come ready goizer thomas has it you'll have to say that it was put in the ground with the seal of the kangado in a way that it was never moved in a way that it was never moved was the oil all in little containers or one big vat where they drew off the oil as they needed it i'm assuming that they were containers for daily portions that's why honestly what can we say because okay that's a good point you want to go back to the marambaya already right that's what we just did in baya the gemara talks about ancient the concept of the angels the mikdash so the concept of ange was the mikdash is not in all cases there are many exceptions to the rule and uh ancient does not always apply so the gemara says look for example in baya undefeated base the grammar we just learned the gemara says talks about whether you're allowed to put on a bandage on a wound on uh on yamdev so gemara says that we allow akayein to put his bandage back on even though it's a drab on because we're afraid he might not uh take it off in the first place so gomorrah says uh what's the says i would have thought he's allowed to do it because of ancient commercial no angels to make this doesn't apply to that it's a dragon so not sure abandoned we use the rule of ancients okay so here's the question here's a million dollar question and this is a question that alludes to where is there rebecca on this gemara we have the goian hashats on this gamara and or rabbi kivar says so obviously ruby beggar is bothered by your question if he says look in the rambam in space and then he says so let's try to understand what does require bothered by and what's the problem over here and what's the answer so we have on the sheets over here uh the question that presumably repeated is bothered by them hello that's the first promise the first premise is do you think the yvonne went around searching for oil and like like mad scientists searching for every last thing of oil and sticking their finger in i guess simply they probably were not well educated in the ritual laws of jewish practice that they need tar oil and every jug that they talk they probably just went in and ransacked the place but you know it's it's doubtful that they badafka went out and stuck their finger and everything on just we came in and everything's in disarray we don't know what happened so we have to assume the worst so it's a suffix we we can't say vada any particular drug was was anitma okay so it's a suffix now that's a problem because if it's only a suffix we have to know what what are the laws of sufficient tara so there's a rule suffix is tahar so now the shiloh is what is the basal mitosis then all the oil is tahar so what's the problem so now let's learn the halal so i have a meaning to say that the base of the interesting robin you didn't have six hundred thousand people going through it every day that they'll call home you had the lithium maybe you had a few miss not then maybe uh when it came to the competitive solution f sure but on a regular basis clearly not well not every not all reshinum hold versus tarabin is if you have six hundred thousand people many shining hold that of robin is even if it's um 16 ammo three right 16 atmospheres i mean we're irrespective of the number of people yes yes i'm sorry for example you know people want to know how come uh sometimes you see bene yeshiva they don't use the arrow do they have a problem with my era the answer is no they don't have a problem with your hero they have a problem with an erev basically in every city because most streets are according to many we shine a martial sarabin so according to the shining let's say that our shasaram is the eight almost wife so then queen's bologna forget about queen's boulevard every avenue every single every single shoot and we know you can't make an air venus just around him you can only make so the mission brewer and the beer allah is actually mahmir not to use an erev baal nefer not to use an era of in cities ever not no problem it's not that we don't trust the arab it's just you can't make this ramen it's just a ram according to you can't make an air venture surrounding most streets are just a rabbit so let's say in the shiva they they don't say it's the um i would say most of the bachelor not to use aruba um any anywhere anywhere now happens to be more mako when it comes to earth i personally you know when i was a bakker i didn't and then you you get married and you have kids and you don't have a key practical issue is that i mean it's a humor it's a it's a legitimate humor not to use an era of when there's a rasho-sarabhim if a person is able to do it you know um not questioning the practice of those who use the error just just saying that him is not necessarily six hundred thousand people let's see the gemaram sam says the azara is considered interesting the azara is considered like suffix [Music] well where is the oil because we even remember we learned in the game on wednesday that they stored they buried the stones of the mizbad in the north east lishka in the north east lishka so this is a question that presumably rebecca vega is bothered by to which he says look in the rama now what does the ram nam say nira shilla kosha zoo has kawaii in hagon it would appear that this is what rookie beggar is bothered by allah should see harambam he marks to look in the rama and para he writes regarding the four lishkois shahoyuba arba mixo that we're in the four corners of the esvas nation in other words the rambam hills baseball he writes regarding the four lich kois and the four according to him i miss the southwest baahu says look in the round mom he's not saying looking around mom to answer the question he's saying look in the rambam to make it a question because the rama says the oil was located in lishkas bay shamnaya in the area that's a storage area under some and therefore rabbi vegar when he tells you looking around them meaning if you see the rabbi you'll be bothered by this question presumably the oil was tame fake and since this is a rabbit it should be tahar so if you have a closet that's locked in the leshka so yeah even though the lich goes in the azar which was just rob if it's a lock closet doesn't that somehow um change the status because if you don't have egress ingress you know you would think you would think unless it's so small look you need size you would need we have a closet it's closed up and you have a door with a lock i mean doesn't that change it to uh at least the carmelis of materials possibly passively the traditional explanation of the filed oil was they didn't find a bar of uh food now a seal was not broken so isn't that simple to see these containers the seals are broken they're not broken so why is it a suffix i mean since the seal was broken so then raglay and ladava are then obviously they touched it so i don't see the subject but they moved it remove it right well certainly if you talk for sure if you touch it but even if you move it well according to tysos it wasn't enough that it was sealed with the signature cargo it had been buried also so that's the case that means possibly there were there were jugs that were sealed but but moved and regarding those jugs that were sealed but not but but possibly moves we're asking it's only a suffix so they should be tar so how does he answer this question he says um kahuna the oil that was stored in the heka was the little bit of oil needed for that day they certainly were matame also the oil in the chamber of the of the shamnaya otherwise then what's the problem just take oil from there them cane and if so hatsumiya um he says okay let's move them coyotes the question stands normally this why do we need an ace why don't we just take the oil out of the out of the lishka and their suffix tomorrow is tahar so the baobata kuna answers like this that when when the rambam says they store the oil in the lishkov beishamnaya that wasn't the oil for the menira that was the oil for the menace however where did they store the oil for the manira absolutely in other words they they um for sure the oil that was in the base chamnaya maybe they weren't metame the only thing is that oil they couldn't use because that oil was not kossus lamar that oil was only for the menachem now the heikaw was not rasha sarabin maybe the azara which was you know open ground for kahan lavi mani israel maybe that's risha sarabham but the heka is only for kaihan and tahirah that's not this is very reasonable and it's almost uh you know slam dunk that this is the shot it makes sense they wouldn't want to keep the tushman together if you wanted like one was the highest one was more pure you know extra virgin foreign yeah i don't know if they bro yeah so [Music] it doesn't mean they touched the oil they were allowed to send the carbon to be brought on their behalf but according to these we showing them that they they uh enter that they were matami all the oil on the mikdash so if that's the case that means that the oil for the menorah was stored not specifically in the heihal and then the question is how are they gonna tell me all the oil on so the interesting there's the safer on the golian hashanas the going ashas are the amendations the hagoya vega inside of he's very brief he doesn't tell you what his question is he doesn't tell you what the answer is he says look in the round man from there you're supposed to figure out he's bothered by akasha that since the oil is in the lich god suffolk thomas robin and he says where there there's the answer you know these are just his personal notes on the uh gemara but chevelle we spoke about him when we had our shir about nakhmanides and pablo christiani where we said chevelle did a critical uh work on that particular stay for having kuach so um rabbi shivell also wrote a very an annotated work on the girlian hashas of robique vega and he says no you're making a mistake that it's not that we came into the hekal and everything was in disarray and therefore we have to assume the worst tim mukalla means they went ahead and they intentionally touched we know every single thing was open and moved and and defiled it wasn't a suffix it was about eye he says um because it was me suffic it would have said is yeah now there is a wondrous terrets that the marsham gives alum the shutters okay here's the answer why what's the difference usually we say rule suffix diaries allah so why do we say when it comes to tama it depends where you know it's like some people do you eat kosher it depends at home at home i eat kosher outside of the house i eat seafood right yeah you hear people talking like that but thomas thoma you suffake what's the din of suffolk why why does it make a difference the rajba says in the first paragraph anita that the denim of tuma are learned out from a saita we know that when a saita goes into seclusion with another man so if it's in a makom cesar we assume the worst we assume something happened from there we learn out suffix versus tame but so we don't assume anything about the saita and from there we learn absolutism so that means the laws of tomah the tahara really parallel the laws of yikhad if that's the case even if the azara is a that's in general what's the halacha if could one woman be miyake with two men then one guards the other right there even though it's a rabbit it's considered it's a place you can't do yikhad so mela is a dinner versus and sufficetoma is tame look what he says look in baze he says in the second paragraph within sufficient and that which it's not called stira for a saita whatever is not considered for a sight napster of christian is considered like and if so kevin it depends on the laws of yikhor and at that time there was an israel yehud in the azara therefore that dinner should say therefore is tame you know if you apply what we learned on wednesday it would be hard to say this because you would expect that since 99.9 of the hidden were uh yeah in you know assimilation and they followed all these right but they probably went in with them uh and showed them what to do yes i was thinking about that's a very important point in other words a little bit you see from this uh not like what we were learning on wednesday for example twice this discusses were they were they geyser on thomas has it or not wait a second the balomer says in the ignorant way when it says that is a so yes can't be meshaches so he says it wasn't the it means so that's the case so who is matami koshmarn according to the bala more maybe he was the yiddin i mean twice is clearly he's not learning like that because taisus wants to know where they goes on to have a din of azov or not what do you mean we're not dealing with the here so if you're dealing with yiddin it could be the yadinwa matami anyway it's a very interesting point okay let me tell you another answer here this answer is brought down in the yeshuan journal el tov shinsama and this is from the uh this is a terrorist of ruby sucker diver of bells the rajva says that the reason why suffice to absolutely is why is sufficient what would you say if i were to ask you for your gut reaction suffice to should be tame or tahar what would you say why because you want to be restrictive and not uh take the chance because something direction so then why is that so taisu says like this since there's a halacha that tomah is hotra that's ibor what's the law of tomahawk silver that's the majority of klaus tommy you're allowed to do the avoid tomah then certainly by sufficient inertia it's also tahar that's atlantic the logic is since we see were mako by tuma tuitsibor that when it's suffic tomah that that excuse me that by vadaytuma there's some logic it's some we're extrapolating we see when we deal with the tibor at large we're making so let's extrapolate that's certainly sufficient i don't see the jump if this makes the kavaka i don't know it's a it's certainly something you could question i mean you could we could think about you know is that is that in the perfect analogy that just because uh tomo but sibor certainly sufficient but that's the alumnus of this right you got that's what that's the that's the equation you know whether you agree that e equals m c squared but that's except that that equation the equation is if suffie if thomas certainly sufficient is tahr if vada is only suffering so cells that says the bells are rubber go in us question is why did why right they're saying show asks why did the bunch don't have to make a miracle that oil that should have lasted for one day lasts for eight days just use tummy oil because toma and the answer is we didn't want to rely on tomoh but sivor we want to do things mahajan and imagine we don't want to rely on the cloud of too much of a timbre us it says the belzora the whole rule that suffix a sufficient is learned out from the rule of tomohochobazibor so if claudius didn't want to rely on the alumnus of of uh tomocha batibor it's like a combination in london it's an interesting thought that in other words the there's a famous question the question is since tomas the whole miracle is unnecessary and the and the answer the penaishwa gives and the gives is they don't want to rely on that rule so if you don't want to rely on the rule that tomo but sibor but tomohocho tibor is the source for how we know sufficient version is taha so we can't make that kabbalimber anymore because we don't rely on the principle of tomahawk silver so we can't extend that to suffix if you follow that line of reasoning then the veneers role should have waited number of days necessary to actually be sure that they had vada shem and that was they did one more they did no they used the one that they found right away for the first day oh that was good because that one was good i was sealed with the signal the kind of goddamn was buried and they knew they knew that it wasn't touched okay one more answer this is looking in ice dalid um from goddessman the bow pony masberos toy susan soyta says that even in rashford at night it has a dinner which is now the question then is the question is when the iranian went into the hekhal when did they go in we don't know but certainly the nighttime past so is that even if you have a sufficient term but once the night time passes since during the night the halacha is sufficient then from then on it becomes tummy so presumably a nighttime pass and then we would apply the rule that when a nighttime passes we would say that it's tommy he says in light of this tirtza going by panama's virus indian noise of the panama's virus explains an added point that the rambam and paragumo of musafim says that even in the morning you have to light the neroys so right it's interesting very interesting you know the rambam is that was not only during the night it was also during the day as well i don't think everybody agrees with that but that's the sheet of the rambam that uh there's a midst of habakkuk in the morning as well [Music] so literally you would think it means he he's mocked of the terrorists when he cleans the nervous then in the morning he's just native but the rambam learns that hattawa is also had lakka so he asked the panama's beer it's a very interesting question since in the base of mikdash they lit the minor according to the rambam in the night and the day so of course ask akash on the ramban according to the ramen why weren't they mistaken that we should light the menorah at night and during the day why do we only light the menorah during the night time i mean you're gonna put it out or you just you don't put enough oil in to last the whole day who us i'm saying uh i don't know yeah it only lasts until the morning let's see who says it lasted the whole night and the show they do it why don't we do it right right how much oil you put in the coffee yeah so presumably uh they put until the morning so if if lighting them in our menorahs is in commemoration of the vasa mikdash so i understand doesn't this isn't the sariah till we shine him that in the basement they only lit at night because if they lit during the day as well why weren't they mistaken and that we should light during the day so says the panama's beerus listen to this beautiful turrets because during the day there's no miracle you know why because during the day they could have used the oil the miracle is only needed for the night time because in the night time suffering terrorism is tummy so that's why they were only massaging to light because for the day it wasn't um also you say during the day there's no pursumenisa wow he says it's to say right there's a concept shiragavataro you know a torch during the day doesn't help but still that that's the reason why so he suggests but i mean in terms of the real of oda did they light yeah they literally spaced the makers twice yeah yeah yes according to the rambam they lit during the day as well well according to most others we shot them only in the night time right yeah okay so here's a little flavor of the londos of um chanukah i'll i'll leave you off with um a question in what comes first hanukkah so arkham ends off with hanukkah comes before him in the round man what comes first and the ram and what comes first 50 50. in the ram what comes first [Applause] [Music] now which would you put first you follow the calendar you put hanukkah versus nissan right if you start with nissan yeah then you know perm is in the last day of last yeah that's maybe why the the round mom does not the raw man hanukkah first the rambam excuse me follows the order of the calendar right see the rambam follows the order of when it happened when it happened then then purim would be first purim came before hanukkah so the rambam puts first purim and then hanukkah is really the last of all the miracles on the other hand the calendar uses the other way goes the other way around here let me say it let's hold it over here you've just experienced another torah class brought to you by torahanytime.com