The Life of R’ Shlomo Zalman Glick - Interview with Professor Shimon Glick

Okay. Uh, I have the distinct pleasure and privilege to be speaking with Dr. Shimon Glick who had a long illustrious career in the medical field. He has many notable and important discoveries and contributions to the field of medicine and he received many prominent awards and honors over the years. And I have a very long list of the distinguished uh titles and awards that Dr. Shimon Glick received over the years. Among >> which is 2014 Dr. Glick received the lifelong achievement award from being bonet the among the bonion and many prestigious awards in the field of medicine. But for the purpose of this conversation he is our beloved uncle Shimanglick. He's our grandmother's brother and uh we want to take the opportunity before Yam Kipper. It's a time of memory, a time of Yizkar to uh hear from uh Uncle Shiman about his father and mother. Uncle Shiman is our grandmother's brother, our grandmother uh Maras D'vorah Hersfang. And uh somebody recently told me a story that they remember Zi Zman standing in Rabbi David Schwan on Yum Kipper the entire day on Yum Kipper without sitting down. And I I don't think he was a youngster at the time. So I uh you know sometimes stories are exaggerated but from what I heard about Zadei Zmen that seems to be something that they could say about him. Um so maybe perhaps you you'll share with us about Zadei Zmen's personality, his background. >> Where did that strength come from to even uh attempt such a thing to be standing the entire day? Uh Uncle Shem. >> Okay. Well, I'll start off from uh the time I didn't know him. He was a little boy actually. He was the youngest of seven children in a family in Lodge. His oldest brother was a RV, a distinguished RV who learned uh in in Poland. And he also went unusually he he learned also with Rabbi Berer Schul Frankffort who was a very famous uh and he actually actually went also and got a PhD in Jewish Okay, we we're frozen here. Hello. Hello. He was a rob in a small town in Poland. >> We got frozen. Um we we were frozen for about 15 seconds. So you mentioned actually went to get a PhD. >> He got a PhD in Vienna. >> Came back. He was a member of the Rabanut of the Auroras in Poland. We unfortunately we had I had very little contact with him and the last that we know about him. He was in the Vasha ghetto and he was he was the head of a group of Rabonim that sat there just before the Warso uprising to decide what they should do. So he was they would ramb and the so he was the head of the at the table and they discussed what should what they should do and then he was sent off to uh where was sent off >> what was his last name his >> uh Glitenstein my father's original name was the family name was Glitzenstein uh when he came to America he cut off the tail end because the spelling in Polish was G L I C E N S ZT Y N. So he made his click. But uh he was the oldest brother and the family was a was a you know from family in in Poland during the World War I and afterwards that everything went bad economically and socially and everything. And he didn't get a very strong education basically uh the yeshiva education anything like that. It just wasn't available. He ended up even becoming as a youngster he was teaching uh but he didn't get a formal yeshiva education and uh the uh in the in 1929 my late mother had made trip had moved to America with her parents and they came for a visit to Poland And there somehow they met and she basically they got met they married in in lodge and they went he went back with her to America and they left all the rest of the family back in Poland. Uh unfortunately 99% were destroyed, killed, murdered and they started a new life in America. Uh this those were not easy days. Uh and uh many of the Jews who came across at that same time they used to say they dropped it filling on the boat all when they were drive came to America and to come to America he had no trade he had nothing really he got into the garment industry like so many uh so many other Jews. >> What age? >> What age did lady come over? >> 29. 1929. >> How old was he then? >> Uh it was in the early 20s. Yeah. Okay. And to find work was the first big nisson. First of all, many people in the family and friends were already were halfway uh left a lot of a lot of the traditions. I used to go look for work would start. He was a very very uh fast and careful and outstanding worker. He come in on Monday and work at a new job and Friday he's going home. But he said uh I'll see you on Sunday Monday. And the boss said wait Monday. Tomorrow is a work day. I I he can't I can't come to work on tomorrow. I'm uh and so don't bother coming in. And he had many many nissio notes like that over and over again uh till he finally found some work and was those were very difficult times. 29 was also the year of the great depression. The people were selling apples in the street and pencils in the street and to find work was not an easy thing tremendously on people the friends relatives made fun. What are what are you wasting your time? uh not the kind of thing but he was that was his is very very auctioney in in this kind this matter and he didn't care what other people said he just did what he had to do and took him in fact they used to say also he had a bigger say on Friday than on Shabas because he had to leave early couldn't get home on time he had to find a place to stay in in Manhattan uh over Shabas somehow you know that's the that's the kind of life he led for many years and uh his Jewish education to almost the major extent was self he he began to learn it was self uh made he didn't go to yeshiva he didn't go to but he he learned he learned by himself every chance he had and over the years he he you know he become a great uh Torah scholar but it was Um and he had an interesting he had insights into what was what was not. He would he'd find this forum on the things that were really major major interest and he he learned them he learned them by himself uh for the longest time and over the years he began to teach friends and kids and everything like that. It was amazing. He had a a teach instinct of a teacher of a of a mor uh both to the family and to other people. Later on in life he he helped a number of people. We sat and learned with him daily uh just to to spread to spread learning. Uh and uh they had and again also when we when we got we were born and grew up the major consideration for him and my mother also they where they going to live they always my father always went for the place was the best education for the kids mash that was the uh That's that's what was his whole policy to find a place to live was a place near where there was a in those days that was not very common. The yeshivas were not very common in America in the 1930s. is they're isolated yeshivas and in fact when uh I started to to started five six years old I I began to read it very early and my father shalom uh decided to to talk to me in Yiddish which is very unusual um he said I'm sure that you'll know how to speak English uh and I thank him to this day. I learned Yiddish before once before I read Hebrew and it was a mamashim that I could speak Yiddish today. Today to this day I could read Yiddish. I can speak Yiddish. >> How's your Yiddish? >> Oh, what? >> How's your Yiddish? >> Fine. No. And in fact the first we lived in the oh we lived originally in Brooklyn in Williamsburg and those in Williamsburg was not uh what lives now but that's where we lived but the the doctor doctor in there said no Brooklyn is not good for your son the health. So they moved to the Bronx. All right. So we got we got in the Bronx and the Bronx there was one yeshiva what they called day school you know salant yeshiva named it after every source. My father entered me in the first grade but he was very makid on what they how they were teaching who was teaching what and he saw that that that was not the way it should be. So he took me out of the yeshiva, sent me to public school and they got a a private rebby for me. Uh they learned with me every day. I mean and then we moved to Williamsburg which already went began to go and we moved there to go to Shiva to Vadas. Uh this was Sente was not uh but I I can tell you this interesting story. We diamond in a shul in Washington in the Bronx shul you know regular shul what can I tell you and uh there was member of families there were two f two people in the shul my father and another man who always insisted that we they would stay in the sh for laning all the other kids you know a ter they ran out to play the two of us both ended up in Israel Okay, we got frozen again. Became also a professor of Jewish studies, Kahul. He had he was >> Okay, we got frozen again. You um we got cut off. We said the two of you >> Okay. The two of us both ended up in in in Yiddish studies in one way Yiddish kite in Israel. They're talking about the the father both fathers they said this my my son don't go out don't don't go out to play during the laning it was interesting it was very my father was a didn't didn't he didn't go by the what the crowd did he was he was his own man and that's he thought that was not the proper thing and that's the way it's going to be and he had he was an aka and you know not in a good way but that was there as a standard standard has to be kept no no compromises he wasn't crazy but but in terms of that was the key thing and uh I I learned by with a shul there every day fact we started learning gar very early age with this man and my father who worked all he had worked physically from morning to night came home at night he sat learned with me So he we learned uh my father was not a not a talmudist but but and we learned it's interesting to me the those days the the common commentary of rashi was the the in Yiddish everybody used that same thing Yehuda Yehuda >> but my father thought it was not a good commentary It was not accurate and it was not so he I don't know how he found out at that age that still the English which is very accurate very mad very how he found out these things I don't know uh the in his neighborhood in the sh nobody ever heard of these things but he looked for what was the the standard and we sat and learned it wasn't if we didn't know a word we looked it up and we sat down When I came to Tarvadas and I was then in third fourth grade they were amazed at how I knew Rashi but nobody there knew it like that and it was and my father learned himself first he taught himself and to learn with me he didn't he didn't uh he didn't follow any rules and he had also a t a real fantastic tum yish which wasn't approved by all But it was a beautiful Yiddish and he would he had a feeling for that. He was a unique person who fitted into his own manner and he kept to his standards. Uh and uh that that's the beginning. So we we learned every day on Friday night. We learned that my father taught with me. He also was very careful about the boys that I associated with. They came into the house. He made sure that the the right the right surrounding. He learned with them too and uh there was one one young man who was genius but his family never appreciated was abys you know but my father made a diagnosis to that this guy is great and he's going to be and taka he was he finally persuaded his family he's abysl but he is going to be somebody and he was a that how who taught nobody taught him he never went to a school of education But >> what did he become this guy? >> He became professor of physics by a gone. He really was a gone. >> But when his father was a laundry man in the neighborhood, his kid was a mist. So you know, but my but my father took him into the house too. We learned together with him. you know, that's that's the kind of thing that wasn't in in the uh when when we went to yeshiva there. Uh early on, uh there were a lot of boys in the dormatory came to to learn to tapas in high school already. uh boys from all over the world uh from part United States for South America and uh they they also went frequently for houses for Shabas for these boys and my mother saw the kids were being neglected. The kids said they had lice, they had so my father organized together with my mother, women of the neighborhood of Williamsburg that they go in every day, different women went every day to the boys in the dormatory and made sure they were clean, made sure that everything this this went on for months that a whole organization not not no name to it, just the women of of of the neighborhood under under my father and mother's supervision And uh that's the kind of thing that they would that they would do. I mean uh uh now we we davened mostly later on at the bust a rebi not the Boston rebby here who was in Israel that's his younger brother but the older one was a real real unusual person uh and we ded there regularly that was but my father also he didn't hesitate for example in the summertime he wanted we should den early he went to den young Israel that was something, you know, to go to he was open-minded. What was good was good. He didn't care what what the public thought about it. It was all straightforward, honest. That's the way he was. And he was uh very strict with himself. And uh uh that's the way we grew up to uh things would do you do the things that are right. Uh he also even then he was involved in collecting stucker with always with somebody else because you have to go with two people you know poor people in there. But what what other great that he did was amazing. Uh he taught he was excellent in his work. I mean he was unbeliev he has patents for the for his work in the garment. You see, he never sold anything, but he had actual American patents for things they invented to work. But there were there were plenty of uh F boys didn't they had no trade. They had no perna. He took them in. He trained them in the field that get they got they were they were able to be finest on his own. You saw people they couldn't they couldn't unfortunately the yeshivas didn't pay any attention to that kind of stuff. Uh they thought the yeshiva taught you how what happens when you go out if you're not going to be a robe. What are you going to do? You have no trade. So he took people in and trained him. The people to this day remember that that he did the biggest. Yeah. >> Yeah. Uh what can I tell you? Now in uh >> so >> in Yeah. Go ahead. >> Was the family when uh Zadei left Europe was the family observant in Europe? >> As far as I know they were. They from family father the beard and mother. What happened? See during the war we lost complete contact. I mean basically my father tried for years during the 1930s to get them to come to America uh to got them even to visit him. In fact his his older brother was a road to come just visit us. They never came and they all unfortunately except for one one one son of >> uh of one of his sisters one of his a son of one of his sisters who saw his his parents murdered and he ran off into the woods and he escaped. That's the only survivor. >> Was that George who went to Australia or that someone else? >> Right. George. That's right. Yeah. He just passed away at the age of 92. But uh that was that. I mean there was and during the war we lost complete contact the his mother my grandmother who I never met she died in the in the ghetto and my father has I'm named after my grandfather uh Shimanstein so that that's >> what did your grandfather what was he in he had a trade he was in Rabonus what was his >> my grandfather I don't even No, he was a businessman who got wiped out during World War I. Uh merchant that nothing uh you with a with a beard, you know, from from they were not not in fact pushed to Eden. >> This was in Poland. >> In Poland in Lodge. So they they were not affiliated with any particular kidas. No, no. My father, well, we ded that was called the was a fantastic I don't know if you know about the bust rebi was a unusual person, a very unusual person. Uh besides being a big Tom, but he also had a lot of was fantastic. He he knew how to deal with with people. He was very makid on himself, but he knew how to how to keep the people in line. And that uh for example, one of the pe one of the people that was of all the brothers from Kabad everywhere all over the world. the father was a was dominant with us in that that's the kind of sh was interesting I can tell you that uh when when I got to be bar mitzvah uh my father wanted me to but lawyer makubal by Boston rabbit but he's so he sat down with us and he saw that my father m really wanted that I'll tell you I talked to I'll make I'll make a deal with you. What's the deal? He'll let me lane if I promise him that for two years I won't speak to Baylor in the where Phil actually I held out for four years. I mean but that's the kind of thing he would do. He could by force he don't do things but with and make and it was a lesson. It was also he he taught me something. He wasn't stumped. Uh so what did he want from me? Wanted me to to teach me something. That's the kind of atmosphere that that existed in that that that sh my father became a in in name of the banneri. Okay. and the Vienna Rebby very I when I in the 1930s I was sick with pneumonia and those days there was no antibiotics and my father went to the banana rebby to pray the den for me and so my father always credited the bharbi with my recovery and >> and in fact every every year I used to go with my father to the bananai Uh the first night of SE used to go there. Very interesting. I don't know if you knew the banner, but he was also Ma Mashu Mashu. >> Who was he? >> He's great. What? >> You remember him? >> I remember him. Yes. It was it was he was such a mayor punim. He was such a was a when you sat with him, you saw Kadusha, you know, it was that kind of a person. So he was our father wore a guard you know he he acted by part partly he's not you know there no no rules but that's the way he was. >> Mhm. Now uh one of the things he's famous for in Flatbush you know he was very mock first of all he was very mock pit on dabbing and how you dabbing and uh he came to shul before dabing you know well before dabbing like you're supposed to do right you're supposed to prepare for d you don't just come to shul you run in and you run out he was there he's always early uh maybe and he couldn't tolerate domin talking in sh and he one man campaign against talking in sh there are two sh of flatbush there to this day if you mention my father's name he changed the shul just by day in day out hill David shul uh hill David didn't want people to talk either but uh my father was took took the lead and he just didn't let anybody talk and it got to the stage where people did just don't talk there. So that's two two shapers. They know to this day. >> Which is the other one? >> I don't know which one was but there were two in Flappish. I know that >> I used to go to with my father to Hello David also. So I remember no compromises on that. >> Well there's one more shaw in Cedarhurst. >> Oh you okay. I remember and it's it's unlim to my father but there was a young Israel of in in the neighborhood in Kan Heights there was a reveratski bam Ishad and a lot young Israel had a lot of talking you could see that it tore his heart out what he used to do he used to stop the doubting he didn't say did he just stopped laning ing. He stopped the ling when it quieted down and continued. If it happened five times during the ling happened five he just told the we wait something. You can't do things by force. Sometimes you have to do it with and little and hang in there until you win out the battle. He also we we also had tremendous in our house uh not just you know in the sh like the like the blessed rabbi if somebody came in a stranger everybody invited was no problem but we had for example there was a man in street I wouldn't say I call him I wouldn't call him a bum I mean a Jew but filthy dirty smell Valley complaining nobody takes care of him. My father took him home. He became a guest in our house on a regular basis. My mother show him cooked for him and traded him. He came during the week to to us. I mean for years years and years. The guy turned out to be the wealthy. He used to sit in front of he used to sit in front of Carnegie Hall and beard and collect money at Carnegie Hall. That was his fixed place. and he had money. And the end of the story is that we find years later we we found out that his family actually and we visited and they took him took him back as his his kids and everything. But that was his but we had no end and the story with the with the with the yeshiva boys with the was that also the yeshiva boys that come to the house and we saw they were not taken care of. So my father organized again. He was uh he took leadership without any he wasn't the president of anything. He wasn't ag and he stuck to it. He didn't look for coat. He never was honored for anything. A a a Jew who cared for other people and for Torah. And then they also began to learn with uh ballet chuva. They were baluva. They do almost nothing. And they my father would sit and learn with them several times a week. And they learned and became from Jew. I mean they didn't learn sit down and learn your day. I mean they sat and learned and stuff like that. and he would sit with them like he would sit with a with a 10-year-old until they developed. Uh there were many of those people. What can I tell you? >> But Zadei like this in Europe or do you think this was something that he developed on his own? >> No. Hey, I really one of the things I I regret to this day we didn't as kids we didn't pay attention to history of these things you know uh I I I would I would love to know uh but we didn't we had no had no knowledge I really had no knowledge and parents didn't discuss these kind of things as much with the kids as as as we should uh to know where your parents or where your grandparents parents or what they did and there was a you know it's not like today you pick up the phone two seconds you're speaking to somebody uh do you think Ziti was like this way in Europe or do you think this was a response to like a new world >> I I can't tell you was well he came here without really a very strong educ if strong Jewish education okay he never learn I don't think he maybe learned gam horror in his life before he came here. I mean, but the circumstances were such that there was no opportunity. Uh but he he had a feeling for it and and he developed it. He developed on his own and he went to learn. He went to sh he all kinds of shi every week in Manhattan. He went to Shir. I mean I mean this is kind of so he he picked what he wanted and thought was good was interesting was learning and and he followed up on it. That's that's the way he was. Uh he was very he was also very perfectionist in areas. I mean if I came home with a minus I had to explain there was no no and uh but uh you know he learned with me regularly well into my teens we used to learn Friday night I meanos every single week uh you know >> so okay this is a little bit off topic but in your opinion >> yes >> if you would tell a kid today who got a 97, you know what what was what went wrong or stay in the show for the whole laning. You you know, would that be an effective? How did it work then? >> Oh, okay. That's a good question. First of all, you have to know your kid. You have to know your kid. Uh and uh how many children do you have? >> We have seven cler We have six. Okay. The second they're born, they're different. Did you did you notice that the day they came out? Okay. The story with Jacob and you know that one of the problems was that they say that you have to know you have to know the kid. You have to know how to talk to him. Some kids it'll work and some kids it'll fire backfire. So you have to have a a feel. You have to be able to >> diagnose. You know, and my father was not a trained M, but he had a feel for for Okay, he knew when he was very strict, but he knew when to be strictly knew when to let up. Okay. Uh he didn't force me to sit down and learn with him, but that's the way it was. It was it's a norm. Also, if if your parent learns this the son also learns. I mean, it's it's an avira. What's important you see in the family? Uh there's no there's no formula. Okay? If you use the same formula for all your kids, you're going to fail. You have to use a different formula for each kid. What turns one kid on uh may not work for the next kid. That's that my father had uh he didn't force me to do anything. And thank God I was I learned well so that I didn't I didn't have to get uh What would have been if I was not like that? I don't know. What happened happened? I have no no complaints. Um, what else can I tell you? So, >> yeah, go ahead. >> He had some kind of fire in his soul that he was, you know, motivated to do all these things. Yeah, he had a strong opinion and he was very committed to Yiddish kite and uh he's willing to fight for it. He was willing to fight for any any important cause and that Torah causes a very important cause. He also believed strongly in in secular knowledge. Okay. He thought that uh you have to have father has to miss and kadian you know he he felt strong that was not exactly the motto of toadas okay so he he was in fact an anti-ging story when I was I was in the high school toadas high school if you had you had secular studies But I I I reached a stage where middle of high school I got I got into the mmed medish already in the and that's so mismed couldn't get out till 4:00 but if I got out at 4:00 I would miss subjects in in secularist they wouldn't let me out my father took me out of toas and he sent me to I went to yeshiva for a week and then toas gave in Okay. I traveled up to Washington Heights from Brooklyn. Okay. For a week and learned there and they gave in. So then I could get out to 3:00 to go to the secular studies. Okay. I mean he he didn't fit he didn't fit at any at any >> peg. You couldn't peg him. >> He did what he thought was right. And what he thought was right uh that's what he fought for. uh he was anything that was that was wrong in the society bothered him and Yiddish anything else he used to write letters to the Yedish newspapers he he he was an activist he didn't organize organizations but he took took interest in everything and and fought for things that he thought were Right. What else can I tell you? Oh. Oh, he came to show. >> Yes. So, how did that even come up? That was so >> very interesting. He went when he we I moved to Israel uh in 74. He's he was still in the United States and he came two years later. But when he when he decided to leave to leave uh make a lot of people he knew you know he was involved in Saka we we get letters from Israel asking for money. We don't know what what's what. You take some money and uh we'll give you money. You give it out to people that you see there. And that's how the thing got started. So he went he didn't just give out the money. He went to the house. He went to see what's in and and another he got another friend of his interested. And they when they get requested for money, they went to visit the people. They they took what they were eating and what they were sleeping and what they were earning and how they lived and that's expanded and uh they made they made an organization. And basically there was all the expenses were met by by them you know uh my father would fight with the bank for every penny their interest rate you know that they used to drive them crazy you know and uh and when when he passed away and uh I inherited the business you know I thought what is he doing so he put in so much hours so many hours day and night to check everybody to make sure it was honest to make it. That's the way he was. Uh and so we we raised a I finally closed out the Karen this year, but I I just couldn't handle it already. There's so much more work involved and I make mistakes. You know, you reach a stage you have to know when my the wasn't my mother. The second wife took it over for a few years and she kept it going. But nobody did it the way he did it. I mean he when he when he got a person he went to the house he talked to the family what the children do and it was uh there was no no compromises. >> So what what motivated him to move to Israel? You know how where did that >> I think a Jew should live in Israel. you know it's a pursuit uh it was it was in uh that's his whole >> true but it wasn't you know even today it's not so common and back then it was unheard of >> well when I moved to Israel >> first of all I I I visited Israel as a medical student in 1954 >> 1954 >> yeah I was in between my in my summer vacation I wanted to see what I just saw and I I said to myself I saw what it's amazing it's a it's a nest that we have that we have and I said what are my grandchildren going to say to me when I be a grandfather what did you do for this and I decided then that we're going to move to >> I came I came home and told my wife and she agreed with me we discussed it and she said can we ask had children. So we had six kids. So I said we didn't ask them if they wanted to be Jewish. That was why they wanted to be Jewish. And we went my father fel felt the same strength you know to fact I'll tell you a very interesting story. I came back after I was in Israel for a month. I came back to America to clean up things and I I came to the Sholes I had dabbed in and I wrote I wrote an article in which was published in Jewish observer that was the good newspaper. I said missing a feeling of gull I said I don't tell anybody to make a because it's not I don't I don't preach for that but that you feel you should feel that you're missing something. I didn't get that feeling. I knew that my Russian Yeshiva who taught me who who came from you're most of Europe there actually of picked the rebies for many respect that I knew they them they kissed the land of it was a feeling whereas the second generation already it's nice to go and this and that but then so I wrote an article that's called missing a feeling of goals I got attacked that that that article was in all the yeshivas. Uh they attacked me. I don't know what golas is. Golas is a spiritual thing. It's not a physical thing. So in fact I asked my son then he I said what is golas? What what does your rashiva say? Rash said yeah the Jews are out of their out of their country under foreign under it's written in all the places. In fact, I used to pick up hitchhikers. The Israeli P boys said, "What's the goal?" They all gave me the spiritual thing. That's not what if you look at the moral, look anywhere else, the goal is when you're not under your your not under control and the go. So, so and they publish all kinds of I got letters threatening me that I don't know what gamish was unbelievable. So I sent I wrote a second article again and they printed it too and they find oh they printed the color code and they said really I really have something to say and I'm right and I'm much know they sort of but they basically said that there was a problem. I think you don't get that feeling that people know that they're missing something. I'm not criticizing anybody for not coming at anyone. But they should feel that you're missing something. That's a problem. That's my that was my Tina. They people two or three people called me since I'm in they read that article because that article they came to Israel. >> Wow. >> You Jewish agency gave out that article. >> Really? Huh? >> Do people know? What can I tell you? Uh has has said but that's somebody said if we had two medas they don't like it we go to the other Jewish medina we have only one medina >> so so remembering being in Israel in 1954 and now seeing it sometime later today could you would you ever imagined >> well first of all it's it's amazing what we have this it's hard to believe that uh from everything I mean I mean you talk about yeshiva world I forgot about now talk about scientific world how big was the biggest yeshiva in in Poland 400 students 300 student there was one of there weren't many like that okay you got tens of thousands here you got tens of thousands unbelievable just just for that not talking about anything else people don't appreciate what what we have I mean if you told your grandfather other that that that he would find his hair. He wouldn't believe you. He couldn't imagine it. And uh people don't appreciate what they have with all the Turus. uh the Torus the Vagon had peace on I don't know if you remember that uh she when when Jacob wanted to go to his father and he was afraid his father would be curse him he went back to Rifka and Rifka said so the gone said that that statement is never there is a what's the as lit the and what is yud among the Jews and the go said that that's the whole history of of you had as was physical so that that was that was Rome and lame on is spiritual that is Greece and and And the makus among the Jews that's the third thing and said the same thing is true now Hitler was Asab and Stalin was Lavan and Mahus among the Jews unfortunately goes back that's only the G could put this together I mean and if it was gave me But the villa says it uh I give up. That's what he says. And they he describes Jewish history. We could do better. Let's hope we can do better. >> And uh if you have specific memories about um your mother, Bobby Helen. >> My mother was a was a a yinish mama the way yisha mama should be. She worked day and night to see that we have everything that everything was kosher and everything and she saved pennies pennies and she helped also among the women. She was not uh very quiet. You wouldn't notice her but she did enormous thing. She was I mean what women did in those days I mean they didn't have washing machine and they didn't have all the other things and she shopped and bought and cooked and then made sure she used to come when to recess 11:00 they had recess when I was in in the uh you know she would come two blocks to bring me chocolate milk at recess. Okay. What can I tell you? A Yishama in the way uh fot and everything else. >> Her family was from America. >> Her family No, her family was from Poland and her father and mother came from Poland together. And her father was a poshid Amish like they say all the tieamid you know they lived in New Jersey Patterson New Jersey and course of their house there's a there's a small shel and he he ran the not not from just in fact in fact couple years ago a a guy a doctor who grew up in Patterson And he remembered that he used to sit in my grandfather's lap for chant on chops. I never did. I never remember I didn't live there. He lived in Patterson. He used to come to D my grand and he was a porch to eat who he was a peddler. What they call he goes from door to door. You know those days they didn't have he didn't have Amazon. People brought uh some people became rich like Strauss became Macy's. My grandfather just walk with a beard. He didn't not a big D but and and all the families he he he and his wife remained way the way they were. There was no they they didn't break away. The other cousins everybody somehow got got broken down. He my grandmother used to teach me that's what she taught me. I should say every night that's the kind you don't see these days, you know, not enough as that's I would say. I don't know what else I can think of. I probably forgot things. >> Thank you very much. Thank you for your time. a pleasure and uh I still look at you's form that I have to hug you. >> Thank you. So I actually remember when I I don't know I must have been three years old or five years old and you came back from one of your trips you gave me a keychain with my name on it. >> Oh really? >> Yeah. That's it. Okay. >> Yeah. And so now you live in Ushalam. >> Yeah, we moved to Ushallay. >> Actually, my kids uh my kids did it, you know. There was what >> they moved here. >> They moved me physically too. I mean they they looked for a place and they >> but they the all the grandchildren they stepped down to Bash. But now they call up every five every uh day or two. Oh, can we come over? Or you can say no. So they so they come over. Some come seven at a time, some 10 at a time, some two at a time. But they never complained. But no, but it's busy that they wanted that. That's what they wanted. So uh I think they're entitled. You should enjoy them for >> No, thank God some of them are doing very well. You know, they're all each one. Unfortunately, some of them are in the army, too. You know, when we first got here, one of my sons got into the army and hes and I said, "All right, my grandchildren wouldn't have to do this." Unfortunately, I have great grandchildren in the army. Mash, what can I tell you? We need to >> Amen. Amen. >> That's what that's what uh a trillos may help. >> You do wonderful things in teaching. I know that you're a real star as they say and uh your delivery is the way you relate to people is phenomenal and you should continue be a marriage Torah and what can I tell you? >> Amen. Amen. Thank you very much. >> Okay. It's a pleasure talking. My parents send their love and uh please send ours to Brenda. >> Yes. >> And hope to see you in Israel every once in a while please. >> My son Mayor is learning in in inlay >> where >> in Torah where >> across from actually it's Rev Shinberg >> and uh hopefully we'll get to visit him this year to see. Okay. I mean, there's so many Shirus every every second house is the yeshiva. It's unbelievable. That never happened anywhere else in Poland even in the good days in V. You didn't have that amount number yeshivas like they have now. Unbelievable. Ben Gury was talking about 400 yeshiva students he would have. >> Exemption, right? An exemption for 400. Yeah. >> Okay. I I I meet people there when I we kids some of my some of the uh how you call our kids are learning what's them kids. >> Yeah. Yeshiv is a thousand kids in I mean unbelievable I can't call other one I have one from the other side yeshiva he's lo 2,000 I can't believe it they're all it's all over the place so we for that and we should use it to good to good purposes >> amen thank you for your time thank you Sorry man. >> I I don't know what you can do with this record. >> Oh, it's not for to do anything. >> Oh, okay. >> It's uh for the family. >> Okay. >> I'm happy you said over the story about the two kids who had a stay in Shul because you know I have your autobiography here. >> Yeah. >> And you know it's it's written in a foreign language written in Hebrew. >> Yeah. >> So, but that story I got I actually I've told it over I've told it over in shul that you know you're not necessarily doing your kid a favor every time you say go. Yeah, you could go out. You could go. >> Yeah. No, no. The kids learn from their parents. If the father, if the father, as you say, my father all of a sudden stands by dubbing. You can't order a kid to do that. Okay. If he sees if he sees the father comes home and learns at night, it's a different thing than if he turns on a television. Okay? And uh kids learn not by what the father tells them to do. Kids learn by by copycat. When people don't realize that they they they think they're instructions that will do the trick. Example is what counts. The world is different. You can't force the kids now. I mean even the even the most places they don't smack the kids now. supposed to >> used to be you know bang you know now it doesn't it doesn't work it doesn't work you have to >> yeah it's illegal and it doesn't work >> yeah in medicine too we to we teach communication I teach that people tell me I haven't got time I said it doesn't hurt it doesn't take time to smile doesn't if you if you say something to a patient and you smile you when you recess in the morning to him it's a whole world different same as boss doesn't work anymore and that's the right thing that's what I mean and it's not hard all you have to do is think about it your deliveries are fantastic I can tell you that I've never hit you >> thank you >> you you you you [Music] bring the audience to you and uh that's the way to go. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Good. >> Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you.