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The Jewish Story: Passover Interlude: The Exodus, A Story Beyond Belief
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The commandment around which seder night revolves is the telling of the story of the Exodus. Many people today struggle with questions of historicity, meaning - did this really happen. Here is an episode on why the real questions of the Exodus lie in the future and not the past, along with some insights on how to tell a story who goes beyond belief.
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to ask what is the origin of stories
says j.r.r tolkien is to ask what is the
origin of language and of the mind we
must be satisfied with the suit that set
before us he says and not desire to see
the bones of the ox out of which it has
been boiled well I'm not looking for any
ox bones or flesh but I am trying to
tell a story that's rooted in its origin
and reaching for the sky because I'm Rob
Mike Feuer and this is the Jewish story
pass-off interlude the exodus from Egypt
a story beyond belief okay if you're
anything like me then you're taking a
break or maybe even right now you're
knee-deep in cleaning fluid I just
stopped scrubbing out my freezer in
order to try to carve out a little bit
of time to address what I see to be the
essential element of this holy day
that's right
HESA is upon us and it's time to get
ready now this is a clock that has a lot
of names we call it highway route the
festival freedom will come to that or
even cog Aguila the celebration of our
Redemption but to me the primary name of
passage will always be hog emunah the
holiday of well belief faith and munna
is a notoriously hard word translate and
when it comes to that faith and belief I
believe that both of those words are
lacking faith has connotations of an
anti-intellectual
leap into things we don't understand and
that's a little bit contrary to the way
in which I understand the world believed
it's got just too much connotation of
the rationalism of a world that I can
reduce to my understanding and I'm not
buying that either if you want to
reconcile the two of them in the
definition of munna then we might call
munna the obligation to use my intellect
right up to the point when it's no
longer the proper tool for the job at
hand it's knowing when to accept not
only that I don't know but I can't know
that's a functional definition of Emunah
but it's not so connected to ET at me
time that's actually more than munna of
poram that blows the doors off the world
as we know it preparing the way for the
Emunah of pass on so if I wanted to find
a definition for the amount of pass off
I'd look for the first place on the tour
that the words actually use I'm not
talking about the route Aleph mem none
but rather the word
in Munna and you'll find it right toward
the end of the story of the first
appearance of a Malik the ante is real
not surprising the people who are known
for bringing Suffolk for bringing doubt
into the world and it says they're a
zombie Sorrell is battling on the plains
below that moshus sat up up on the hill
and he held up his hands and so long as
his hands were up
I'm Israel overcame and as soon as they
dropped hasta Shalom the opposite so it
says read a motion Vadim right his hands
were heavy who Evan via scimitar Flavia
shave aloud Ithaca Rock and he sat on it
alone the whole time who ba-da-ba
Jaime's Akkad our horse stood one in
each side holding them up a yield of
emunah odd beau Hamish in his hands were
emunah until the Sun came down now we
could go for hours on this one verse
alone but for me what's fascinating
really is that Emunah here seems to be a
verb rather than a noun meaning he's got
some sort of determination to keep those
hands up and it's his determination
despite the fact that it takes iron and
core to help him that makes his hands
and Munna and this gives me what I see
to be the fully functional definition of
Munna in particular how it relates to
pass off and most deeply to our mitzvah'
commandment to tell the story of the
exodus because their word and Munna in
my eyes really means a steadfast
commitment to building my life into a
vessel that can hold can hold my
relationships can hold my understanding
experience can hold God and if you've
been listening to the Jewish story for
even a little while then you know that's
basically what we're trying to do I'm
trying to tell a story of the past that
can hold us in the present in a way in
which we'll get to the future we want to
live but what you may not know is that
really my whole approach to storytelling
centers around the Seder night and
there's very few people out there who
are listening this now who've probably
been there but nonetheless you might
have heard that things get a little wild
in the for your house on Seder night
all I'm trying to do is wake up the
children I'm not talking about snoozing
I'm talking about a deeper awareness
because I'm just like you hoping and
praying that my kids will care and you
know I bless us all right now
hope you bless me back
we're gonna find a way this pass off to
cut through those layers of Instagram
induced cynicism and make a lasting
impression for me
the breakthrough moment in the potential
of the Seder came a few years ago when
my then ten-year-old daughter turned to
me in the middle of the muggy in the
middle of the section of the telling of
the story of the Exodus and said ABBA
is this really true just imagine the
moment I mean she's a product of
religious school education she doesn't
have the liberal background that I've
got and she's only 10 this is a time for
what we call a muna shooter just the
simple faith that yes the story were
telling is true and that's exactly what
I said yes it's all true and as you keep
getting older
we're gonna keep talking about what
truth actually means and we've been
talking about that here on the Jewish
story for quite some time this is the
distinction if you are a listener from
way back that we may between through
cities and the Torah between the Greek
approach to truth in history and the
torah's approach to memory and story
remember that there is no word for
history in the Hebrew language and when
you look in Herodotus or in his
intellectual air most particularly few
cities what you see is that the basis of
the Greek endeavor of history is give me
the facts and I'll tell you the truth
that the truth is subordinate to the
facts which to most Westerners strike
some is perfectly rational the problem
is now that we're living in the
postmodern era and people are talking
about alternative facts and 8 News we've
come to realize it's always the
narrative that's driving the bus or as
the tour's approach to the past is the
exact opposite the Torah has a truth you
can even call it the truth if you will
but the key is the Torah is asserting
its truth and then using facts insofar
as they're necessary to understand I
don't mean in a deliberately
manipulative or underhanded fashion it's
just that if I tell you a story which is
true I give you enough fact in order
that you can grasp it and that it's real
to you but in this case it's the facts
that are subordinate to the truth now
that's not to say that the events of the
Exodus didn't happen and it's certainly
not to claim that they aren't true on
the contrary our job on Seder night is
to tell the truest story possible
but it's not necessarily story that's
going to be believed in the rational
sense that we can pick it apart at
origin and determine that each
historical fact is indeed a fact rather
it's a story that builds our family our
family into a vessel that please God can
hold God it's a story that can shape up
people because we're telling it to our
children who are a future of course they
can shape of people that can tell a
story of the past in the way that shapes
their future and so what I want to do a
little bit today is talk about how do
you do that but it comes from the
mitzvah of mughi the commandment
actually tell this story to our children
to our peers to ourselves how do we tell
a story that's really beyond belief so
the first step is that a story has to be
the product of a chosen consciousness
you know most of us live most of the
time embedded in the story of our lives
without ever even knowing that it is a
story it's what we call stream of
consciousness so thinking about my life
there's only living now if you're a
child or some sort of pure innocent
there's a sweetness in power to this
perspective you know there's something
very holy and pure about people who are
that Unseld 'fl where but it's only true
provided the story that we're living is
actually taking us where we want to go
in my counseling work one of my favorite
opening questions is so what's your
story
you'd be surprised a lot if not most
people will say instinctively I don't
have one
but when I asked them whoa what did you
want to speak to me about suddenly it
comes spilling out and the great art
form and it's something that you can do
for those that you love as well is to
simply listen well enough that when you
say back to someone what it is they're
speaking out they hear their own story
so that's on a personal level and it's
worthwhile to think about what are the
stories that we live in victimhood
entitlement a blessed life any way you
cut it
we've all got these narratives that are
running the bus and we live some degree
or another inside them now that's in the
personal level on the national level
national historic this is what I've
called shot consciousness it's the
consciousness that is skating across the
surface of the story unaware even that
there and in our history belongs their
vote so the for file is a Vermeer talk
and Yaakov and you see him particularly
when you look at Abraham that God is
repeatedly attempting to evoke
consciousness it's trying to break him
out of that stream and into a higher
state of self-awareness which Abram can
access the deeper power that his story
actually provides brief benefit Aryan
the covenant between the pieces is
actually the critical turning point in
this relationship between God and a
Brahman right if you look in gray sheet
15-5 you'll see it says for your tail to
Husa my god brought him outside outside
his tent in the simple reading Rama
Hobart Nash am i'ma who spoke her name's
Holly sport um you look up into the
heavens and count the Stars if you are
able in Marlowe
Kolia zurafa and he says Dharam this is
how many children that you will have and
hear the language but you sail to a hood
sir he brought him I would decide he had
him step outside themselves so much so
the Midrash here says that he brought
him outside of the whole halal ha-olam
outside of the world so he could look
from the outside in and Rashi tells us
further this is because the rava had
looked at the Stars and he thought he
was locked into a life with no children
and all here's God trying to wake
Avraham up to the fact that oh you think
you're living your life but you're
actually part of an intergenerational
saga now Avraham like most of us doesn't
immediately feel empowered by this
sudden self-awareness that he's part of
an intergenerational shame because if my
life is also a story in particular in
particular one that lasts after I go and
began before I arrived and then I
actually lose agency how is it that I
can be part of what seems like a
deterministic playing out of a narrative
in which I have nothing more than a bit
part and not lose hope for life
basically how does being self-aware
having a chosen consciousness of
stepping into my story help me know that
I really matter
and that's exactly what tom says back to
God only a few came later when he says
my own mother and I Elohim the madaky
air Hashanah
but even though God has promised him
that he'll have children in that they'll
inherit the land he says through what
will I know that I'm going to inherit it
and it's right after this after this
moment of panic Rob Roblin realizes
there's a big story going on and he
doesn't know how to leverage it that God
reveals to Abraham that awareness that
we're living a story is only the first
step because within this Marvel that we
call creation and in particular in that
jewel of human consciousness is the fact
that we're not leaving out
I don't script that's written in stone
when I say story we're not just a
character we're one of the authors and
that's why God says Dharam okay you're
not there yet yeah do a tada or you
shall surely know key areas are about
slow edits Lola your children are going
to be strangers in a land which is not
there of doom the Inuit Alabama or China
and they will subjugate them and cause
them to suffer for 400 years
it's the slavery in Egypt that allows
Avraham's moment of self-awareness of
being pulled out into a narrative that
will allow armies rail for generations
to come to access this perspective from
the outside on our own life and the
critical knowledge that God gives him in
that moment is that word in Yui Nino is
not simple suffering as it's often
translated because of course the bread
in which we make the Mogollon which we
tell the story of peso is lefm only the
bread of affliction I'm talking about
matzah it's also left I'm Shamim Allah
forbid the volume it's the bread on
which we are able to actually answer
many things because this is why or this
is as the morrow that great sage of the
late 16th century says ëno ii is the
particular type of suffering which
strips us down to essential self and
that's how the exposure to the deep
narratives of our lives can actually
help us gain agency there's so much of
our time this spent I don't know tangle
up in shallow narratives he-said
she-said they think this about me this
is important because I think that's
important etc etc one of the hallmarks
of the appearance of divine in our lives
be it personal or national is it
then that strips all that nonsense away
and exposes the deep fundamental story
that we're living I'm sure that if you
take a minute to reflect on it you can
get a sense of what that might be in
your own life and by the way it's a
great question for the Seder table if
you want to bring people to
self-awareness as part of this process
not enough just to change things up and
make the kids ask you hey why'd you do
that and shock them out of the immediacy
of stream-of-consciousness
you want to make them aware that they
have a story so you can ask people
what's your core story right one of the
ways of doing that in a very simple
fashion is oddly enough if I gave you
ten million dollars what would you do
right now and what's that say about who
you are that's on a personal level here
avraham got a glimpse of the story that
lay ahead for his children but it's
actually Moshe in the real time of that
story who's given the final instruction
about how important it is to maintain
this self-awareness that we're not just
living we're living a story because
right before the plague of the first
born on the last moment of the Exodus
God says to Moshe I accumulate them I
mean the twelve chapters wrote if you
want to look it up 26 line Val Kilmer Le
Chambon ahem
Marvo da da da femme right and it will
be that when your children say to you
what is this service to you from Adams
El Paso food on I schepis aha but the
eserver me trying to knock poet mitzraim
Latino he'd still write it you'll say to
him this is the Passover offering right
it's Passover offering to God who passed
over the houses of Vinay's so al in
Egypt when he struck down the Egyptians
and saved our own houses now on one hand
it's a simple question here this hasn't
happened yet
why is Moshe who's basically packing up
preparing the masses and the cordon
passed off and getting all the people in
order for the first Seder at night why
is he being told
be aware that someone's gonna ask you
about this in generations to come and
you have to have your answer framed
I mean God is basically framing a
conversation about Moshe telling the
future about a past which still lies in
the future for him digest of that from
and what you're seeing is that there are
certain experiences in a person's life
and in the life of people that are just
too important to be lived in the stream
of consciousness if once we've been
awoken to the fact that we're living an
intergenerational reality that we are
characters in a story which we are both
acting out and which we're authoring
then we have to know beyond the fact
that we're in the moment that we're in
the story you know it's probably why the
Haggadah right after we begin to tell
this story of the exodus actually adds
in stories of other people telling their
stories so this awareness is being
called to consciousness to a chosen
consciousness can express itself
personally in our narrative awareness
and nationally in this sense of the
intergenerational project but it also
begs the question of what topography
underlies the stories that were living
in our lives
I love myth I know in the 21st century
myths got a bad name although frankly in
the postmodern era it's making a
comeback the modern era it was just a
lie I loved it
because of the type of power it offers
for integrating information experience
understanding into a coherent whole
well beyond any intellectual or rational
theory and I also love it because of the
sentiment expressed by Jean Cocteau he's
a French writer artist at all he says
I've always preferred myth to history
because history consists of truths which
turned to lies while myth consists of
lies which turn into truths now what
does he mean by that many things but to
me in particular in our efforts to tell
a story which lies beyond belief
he's cluding us into the problem of
basing our lives on history because
history by definition lies in the past
not only does it lie in the past but we
want it to stay there a good historian
doesn't muddy their picture of the past
with their understandings of the present
or the aspirations of the future to the
degree that that's even possible
right and so therefore one of the ways
in which history is honest and true is
by being completely alienated from the
reality in which we live in which case
any lesson you think you're deriving
from history is a lie your project
thing on it it may be an accurate
analysis it may not but you've made an
effort to keep history in the past so
how could it possibly be true in the
present a myth on the other hand which
by the way may have at its core
historical events but what's happened to
those historical events is because they
were so true because they were so
important there's been a constant effort
to adapt and keep their relevance to the
time in which we live and so therefore a
lot of the facts you ality may fade but
they are indeed lies that turn into
truths because they're expressive of a
true reality today and part of the way
in which we can understand mythic
analysis of a story is to ask a simple
question of what's the topography that
underlies every stories in our own lives
it means that though we believe were
freewill actors and indeed it's
important that we act as such
nevertheless our choices are constrained
by reality what's your picture situation
I've been in plenty of times you're
leaving your campsite for the day and
now you can choose your destination and
you can even pick out your travel route
I'm gonna go down the ridgeline through
the valley but every choice you make is
going to be bounded by the topography
which you're given and that's not even
to speak of the weather and other
conditions right this is the nature of
topography the same is true in history I
give you a great example the kingship in
Israel you know I could trace you an arc
which looks like in the Bible from David
to destruction there are some noble
Peaks here and there right by it's
please you know the story of Yoshi ah
who the last righteous King you'll see
that God tries to tip him off to the
fact that there's a topography which
dominates his personal story he wants to
make a revival he thinks in fact that he
can be the Messiah but God's best
promised that he can give him is that
your eyes shall not see all the disaster
which I will bring upon this place
basically you're doing great kid but the
story's already over so that's part of
that topography but you want to go even
deeper is that hmm if you ask someone in
the 13th of the century is the story of
kingship over in Israel so I think most
people would say yes maybe maybe they
were still holding on
to that messianic ideal of kingship but
I'll tell you something my great aunt
Helene should be healthy and well grew
up in a very religious shtetl type town
in Eastern Europe before the war and she
used to tell me that Oh Mike when we
read the Bible boo mom Isis they were
Miss whychus said we had a king there's
a woman who grew up in a very religious
environment she might have believed
those stories to be true but they were
boom boom Isis they were irrelevant
fragments of the past because who could
imagine that the story of kingship was
actually going on I mean after all
Bibi Malik Israel whatever you think of
it we've got a pretty strong Kingdom
going here so that's just an example in
the Bible I'm getting diverted here what
we really want to know is what's the
topography of the Exodus story and how
can it help us tell a story which isn't
just about the past and factual but
harnesses the power of mythic topography
in order to tell a story beyond the leaf
well fortunately here our sages tipped
us off to what's probably the
fundamental structure underlying the
whole story of the Exodus and in
particular the way in which were meant
to tell it you look at the mission of
South him
chapter 10 mission afore you'll see many
things there but in particular you'll
see what this fundamental structure is
meant to be it says Mikheil the good
news with cyan but Sheva that we begin
and disgrace we end in a praiseworthy
state it's one of the ways to read it
and for now that's what I want to focus
on in case you're wondering well what's
it mean to begin in disgrace and end in
a praiseworthy state that's what the
Kamara on 116a itself asks my big news
what is this disgrace Rob says in the
beginning we were idolaters
but shrew argues with him and says in
the beginning we were slaves which means
for each of them the praiseworthy state
the end will be different as well to rob
of course it's going to be divine
service as opposed idolatry and for
Shmuel will be freedom this is the
fundamental underlying hog Rafi of the
excess in fact it's a holic obligation
that we tell the story on this structure
and the question is what does it teach
us well I'll tell you what it teaches us
Jesus how to fix all the damage done by
Cecil B DeMille yes I'm sure you've seen
it if you're above a certain age the Ten
Commandments classic Charlton has then I
know it's great I love it but
there's one fundamental problem that
that movie introduced into the
consciousness of more than one
generation that's what is Moses aim when
he goes to Pharaoh let my people go but
it's only half the story
and it's not an accident to the Western
audience for which that film was crafted
PASOK is the festival of liberation not
the festival of freedom and that's why
they left off let my people go in order
that they served me in the wilderness
because in these will be the mills world
once you get rid of the master an
oppressor doesn't matter no one can tell
you what to do anymore being free is
having no one to tell you what to do if
you want to sit on the beach and sip
martinis until you get gout cousin to
hate have a good time well that may be
nice and that may be a type of freedom
but it's not the peso story this is a
story of freedom not liberation right we
went from being slaves to Paro it's
being servants of God and what people
often do as a journey from slavery to
freedom in actuality is a journey from
servitude to service and that's what
this topography is meant to teach us
it's why actually instead of trying to
resolve the argument between robbing
Shmuel where there are disgusting
beginnings were in idolatry or in
slavery and whether ideal is freedom or
divine service instead of trying to
resolve that the Hagaddah actually
weaves both their answers together
because liberation from external
pression is nothing to be disparaged
having come from a free people child of
free people it's a little bit hard to
appreciate but nevertheless not a small
thing
however if freedom from is it followed
pretty quickly by a conscious choice
toward freedom of a choice whom to serve
well then life doesn't lack for masters
and always remember most them don't have
our best interest at heart like Bob
Dylan said everybody gotta serve
somebody so you might as well choose the
right one and the depth of this
topography and its power in its ability
to help us tell a story which really
lies beyond belief is understanding the
relationship between slavery and
idolatry if you really want to
go check out the Rambam third chapter of
the laws of voters ah when he tells the
story of Avraham and relates it the
exodus from Egypt but for now think
about it this way the slavery freedom
pension is something that unites them is
that both a slave and free men have to
work life is work what distinguishes
them is whom they work for a slaves
efforts go to someone else and a free
man's efforts nominally at least go to
themself and the same is true when it
comes to idolatry and divine service
it's really clear when you say he Bravo
Dada Dada is idolatry it's strange
worship and I vote that Hashem is divine
worship you're going to serve someone no
matter what I vote Azara means you're
serving something which is foreign to
you and I vote that the Sham divine
service means the service of a God whose
will you have already internalized like
I said in life you're gonna do the work
and that means that will be either
driven by external necessity or internal
values and by constructing the story of
the exodus on this topography what the
Hagaddah
does is allow us not only to take that
self-awareness we gained by starting off
everything different on this night but
do you apply it to the question of okay
this is a story about once upon a time
but it's not an attempt to historicize
to tell a story which is way over there
its attempt to harness the power of myth
underlying the story in order to make it
relevant to my very cells because by
telling the story on this topography we
actually set ourselves free on this
night and even if we're not physical
slaves we still come far more free to
choose whom we serve the story is our
escort without it we are blind does the
blind man own his escort no neither do
we the story rather it is that story
that owns us and directs us wise words
from chin Oaxaca Bay that can teach us
about the last element of
how we tell a story beyond belief that I
want to speak about today and that is
really a question which is this story is
so big it's a story about God's will
unfolding in creation how on earth do we
connect to the infinite until a story
about something which is by definition
bigger than we are well before I answer
I want to give you a rough cooked steak
on it because this is one of my favorite
quotes from him he says in all of the
codes regarding the highest knowledge
there is no place to ask how do you know
any knowledge which comes through
investigation is only a means to arrive
at this highest knowledge which bubbles
up from within the deepest depths of the
soul and the means most fit for
achieving this transcendent quality is
cleaving to God with every power now
it's beautiful but easier said than done
what he just said is that you have to
tell a story which comes from inside you
from that place which is connected to
the infinite and sees itself as giving
voice to something so much bigger and
once again Hagaddah
is here to help us first just to get it
straight we're called to consciousness
that our lives are a story we break that
stream of consciousness unawareness
through all the things that make this a
different night and then with that
self-awareness awakened and the agency
that it provides us we harness the
present in order to reach the past right
we delve into the topography that mythic
architecture that underlies a story of
Once Upon a Time in order to make it
relevant to each of us around the table
but it's not enough because this is not
just a human story of liberation it's a
defined story of unfolding will and at a
certain point present awareness is
overtaken by the telling of past
consciousness we have the opportunity to
fulfill robin gama's command of the
Mishnah when he says in each and every
generation a person must view themself
as though they personally left Egypt as
it says and you shall tell your son on
that day saying it is because of this
which
or did for me when I came forth out of
Egypt now what exactly does it look like
to reach the point on Seder night when I
see myself as actually coming out of
Egypt when I let the wave of the past
and all its powerful topography break
over that awakened consciousness in the
present and I let myself sing as I move
out of the narrow places that bind my
story there's no more powerful way of
cleaving to God than by singing a song
of joy just like the children of Israel
when we came through the Red Sea and the
Midrash says you know that the first
person who ever said the phrase hallelu
of their Shem give praise or use
servants of God was actually Paro
it was Pharaoh that when he saw me swear
leaving he said he'll power over talk
Muhammed meter says power began to cry
out and say the Shelf I hate the mother
died right in the past you avid I you
were my servants of Allah bottom been a
horn but now you're free Harriett em
parachute tumhari em of a doubt shall
college borrow who they behold you are
on your own recognizance behold you are
the servants of God notice that the two
are the same serega metemma holo-shed
t'aime Avada you must give praise and
thanks because you are his servant right
but this is the only way to give voice
to that powerful expansive force within
the story where the infinite finds
expression in the finite because then
the telling comes the end but the story
isn't over and lo and behold in the
Seder itself where do we find ourselves
at the end of howl well we find
ourselves in that beautiful place of the
Shahana ha ha ha the usual I'm Bhushan
I'm happy new yeah in the coming year
let it be in the rebuilt Jerusalem the
moment of near saw that transcendent
state of knowing but I haven't just
woken myself up to the fact that we're
in a story and managed by making it a
different night hopefully to do so for
those around me as well and I haven't
just delved in to the mythic
architecture the DePauw
which underlies our story of the past in
order to make it eternally relevant for
me in the present I've also opened my
eyes in my heart to sing a new song
about what the world's really gonna be
like when everybody's there on Mount
Zion in the coming year let it be soon
let it be now and I don't wish you all I
hope you wish me back that this should
be a holy a happy a kosher and a
redemptive pass-off filled with the
Munna and we should all merit to tell a
story that's beyond belief so I just
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