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We're learning peras
the sug of
more generally the sug of tits.
So
the mitzvah of tits in its perfect form
is when somebody wears a becket with
talid confice and he has fringes
that are first knotted then braided and
then hanging from the four corners of
his baguette. But we are some of the are
white and some of theim are blue. The to
the fact that the are supposed to be
made of two different colors is
the says
learned that the word teaches that the
are supposed to be
so whatever the material whatever the
color of the actual corner of the bag it
is It's that material that color that
the tites are supposed to be. Rashi says
most of the beadim back in the day were
white. And as a result learned from here
that the
are supposed to be white. Additionally,
the Pik says that's pretty
straightforward. They're supposed to be.
Hence, it's from the fact that says
which suggests white
which suggests
that we know that sits in the perfect
form is supposed to be made up of both
and of stating that the opening verse of
is
meaning in as much as it's true that is
in his perfect form. is made up of. But
at the same time, let's say somebody has
or somebody has not he's still
in the beginning of perf.
He lays out
the basic
concept of
inim says what emerges is that
there are two mitzvah that are included
in this one general mitzvah of and that
is
number one that on the corner of the bag
there should be
same material same color that's emerging
from it. Additionally,
you should take a foreign object and you
should affix it. You should attach it to
the bag. How do I know these two ideas?
It says
that's how I know. Additionally, it says
goes on and he describes if someone has
not love, you put on the love and you
and if somebody has love and not you put
on that and you
even though we just said that the is of
the and the
stating that they're not two mitzvah
rather The two together make up two
parts of one mitzvah.
So that if somebody would wear a talis
that has only or only or better has both
only one
said
we learn from there that there only one
mitzvah. In other words, the ra is
addressing, he'sing, he's grappling and
struggling a little bit to the extent
that
and to the extent that there are two
mitzvah. So you would think that if you
wear love and you wear you're actually
two mitzvah says the ra that's not the
case. There's one mitzvah called tits.
Within that one mitzvah of tits, there
are two sub mitzvah
and
if somebody goes and he wears the tit
with the even though he's being two sub
mitzvah but he's only being in one
general mitzvah and as a result in
mitzvah he's one mitzvah. This this is a
little bit tricky
and love one mitzvah. Is it two mitzvah?
It's two. The Ram says, but in terms of
mitzvo, it's really only one. One thing
is for certain, and that is that there's
a mitzvah where tits and there's a
mitzvah for the tits to be made up of
both and stating that going back to the
7th century, that's a very long time
ago, Jews for the most part
have not been wearing.
Even though it's a mitzvah,
even though it's part and parcel of a
mitzvah that we saw
is connected,
even though it's a mitzvah that's a
gateway for au
since the 7th century, Jews have not for
the most part, certainly not until
recently be wearing.
The question is why? It's a very simple
short answer. It's because Kazal say
that the had to come from some sea
aquatic creature known as the and the
nature of the what exactly the is was
something that was nellan
already didn't know 100% what it was and
because they didn't know what the was so
it was for that reason there was no
ability there was no capacity to go
ahead and to produce the kas in fact
there's already a a medistan at the end
of where the so this is already a says
today all we have is
because the was hidden it's also in the
end
where you find that were already talking
about how the was or the wasnas so to
the extent that there's no there's no
and if there's no there was no ability
to go ahead
and to produce the there was no ability
to properly go ahead and be this
mitzvah. Now you'll ask the says the
says it has to be blue. So why can't I
figure out some other way to dye the
tits is blue? It'll be right. I'll get
whatever I need to get out of my blue
color and as a result I'll have exactly
what it is I need. It's a good but it's
a
right here in the
and the says it in
already told us that if you want to be
the it has to be if it's not it's going
to be it was exactly what was and it was
for that reason people stopped wearing
so here's the question
bismano Nowadays, we're already kneedeep
into the 21st century where there have
been incredible advancements in
technology, in archaeology.
It's probably fairly likely that we may
be able to have a good idea as to what
exactly the was and exactly how was
produced. The reason, by the way, is
because this was something that was
mass- prodduced. So, to the extent that
it was mass-produced, it probably left a
footprint somewhere. So the question is
a do we today know what exactly the was
and as a result can we today go and make
the and make the mitzvah of is great
again where we'll be m the mitzvah
exactly the way we were supposed to be
mimitzvah I think it's a fair question
the second question is does it matter if
we knew with 100% certainty that what
kazal somehow forgot 1300 100 years ago.
We today know
what that is and we know what the is and
we know exactly how to make the would
that mean oh perfect. So it would be now
we could go ahead and be the mitzvah or
being that this mitzvah is something
that we didn't have for so long at some
point it gets grandfathered out and at
this point even if we know exactly what
it is we would not be able to thision
these two questions are going to be the
topic really of today's raid so Hazal
told us a little bit what the was. There
are some clues and really the the
biggest clue is a right here in it's a
looks like the sea.
The way the mafar explain it, the surah
of it is similar to that of a fish.
It emerges from the sea once every 70
years and with its blood they would make
the die and being that this is something
that was so rare it emerged once every
70 years it was considered to be very
very expensive. So the price it gives us
a few cryptic clues. Number one is
number two it's which sounds like it's
not a it's only it's
fish don't usually emerge from the sea.
This is something that emerges from the
sea. It's only
the was made from the dam from the blood
of this
and being that it was something that was
hard to come by. It was something that
was very very expensive
talks a little bit about the adds
another clue. Rashi says
the would emerge from the sea and would
go to the mountains.
But the one that says that didn't say is
that it was
there's another this is
there too mentions and says what was the
it's a it's a worm
it emerges from the sea
and initially
All you see
is one and then the rest of them somehow
come. So Rashi here also says that it's
right but Rashi adds that it's a now
where did Rashi get the idea that it's a
says it's so it's not really a fish it's
only a fish oh it has to be something
else and Rashi defined it gave us a
description says that there's another
that gives us a very very important clue
and that is
the is going on the says
we're the midbar. So the clothing that
they wore grew together with them and
the explains it with a mush. The mush is
think of the
as the grows
its shell grows along with it. It was in
that same vein that
so the
seems to be saying very clearly that the
whatever exactly it is has a a shell.
Bottom line, the Gomorrah says
that the
is
and it's with its dam that we make the
says
that when we say it's
what does that mean? It's
says in the
it was explaining the only
and then we have
that says that it had a shell.
Regardless what exactly the is a picture
of it, its exact species that Kazal
never gave us. But at the same time,
there are some hints and there are some
clues as to what exactly
it might be.
It's interesting that there's also many
references in kazal as to where the was
found. The first one is
kazal on a parish. It's talking about
the bra that gave the different
specifically and one of the things that
told was
that you're gonna have treasures that
are going to be buried in the sand of
your what exactly is this referring to
says three things number one which is
tuna number two number three
you're going to be able to find these
fine crystals so we know that
There's
the talks about
the fishermen. They used to go and they
used to catch the and it says where did
they catch them?
They used to go by the sum of Tur was
the ancient kingdom, the ancient land of
Ty tyr
going all the way to there's a
peri
talks about how the Yidden had they had
they had all these fancy dyed objects
and they came from the E Alisha from the
islands of Alicia and if you look at the
Mafarim the E Alicia were the Greek
islands and they ostensively came from
the Mediterranean Sea which borders
those Greek islands. The bottom line is
Kazal also gave us clues in terms of
where exactly we might be able to find
the so we have clues as to what the is
and we have clues as to where we might
be able to find the but an exact
description and with you know perfect
coordinates of where you can now go find
the you'll be able to be the mitzvah
that's something that kazal never gave
us bottom line from the seventh century
already somehow the exact nature of the
kilo eluded kazal and it's for that
reason y didn't stop being mai in this
very very very fundamental mitzvah fast
forward
about 1,200 years to the 19th century in
the 19th century there was a little bit
of a his in terms of trying to figure
out exactly what the nature of the tus
was
why exactly I'm not 100% sure I saw
something very interesting in a book
called the rear is blue which was
written by Dr. Barak Sturman. He
suggests and I think it makes a lot of
sense that it could be this emerged from
the Viku between Kisher and the GDO is
at the time in terms of wanting to bring
back the and bringing carbonus again
Bisman. This is something that we've
talked about extensively but kisher felt
that the time was right to maybe stop
bringing carbon bay and he wanted to
bring a carbon and he lobbyed Israel.
There are three chuvas that we have for
written to kisher. There's a chuva in
that was written to kisher. very first
trouvinger
in his bign was written to fer kasher
and this kyodua was a a movement that
was marish and at least at the surface
it looked like the gdeladar
really reckoned with this havamina of
maybe we could bring carbono bisman and
trying to work 500 sugis and kachim and
be able to make it happen in we were
going to bring carbon bisman it meant we
would have to have kayan that were going
to wear the big day kahuno
We're learning the paras right now.
We know that one of the ingredients, one
of the materials of the biguno was which
means that if we're going to go ahead
and we're going to do the we're going to
have to have as a matter of fact and one
of his chis to his kaler told
how could you think that we could bring
carbon today? We don't know what the is.
So if we don't know what the is we don't
have we don't have this whole idea is
dead on arrival. Now there's actually a
very interesting discussion in the
whether or not the
had to be the source of the that was
used for the big day meaning this that
we read earlier in the
that says that the only time is if it's
talking about regarding the mitzv it's
not talking about the and
the and all the different materials that
were used for the big duno and the truth
it's a little bit of a the that was used
for the did it also have to be or did
not have to be
in the beginning of everyone knows it's
says what was it came from but
maybe held not that way so that's a
little bit about what's going on where
said so why we don't know what the is
not the end of the world but the bottom
line is this put into the consciousness
of the raon that I wonder in the 19th
century there were already advancements
being made there's some
that's going to be able to help us
figure out what exactly the is. Either
way, in the late 19th century, there was
a great goyan who decided to take it
upon himself to bring back the mitzvah
of
this great guy, his name was Haner. He
was the reb. And this a of his became so
part and parcel to his identity that maz
this is known as none other than the
balas.
Now the story of how the Balotas went
about trying to uncover the
is very very interesting. In 1887
there was a big impressive one of its
kind never before known to mankind
aquarium that opened up in Naples Italy.
It was called the Aquario Dinopoly. And
the Reba felt that if there's any place
you're going to find, that's the place
it's going to be. So he literally left
the just think of this. He leaves Poland
and he goes to Naples, Italy and he
pitched the tent there for months and
literally every morning first say the
second say the night s he's in the
aquarium and he's talking to the
zoologologists and the chemists and all
the different scientists and he's trying
to uncover see if he can figure out what
exactly the was. Fast forward after
spending a very very very long time
there the believed that he found the and
the was none other than the cuddlefish.
It's a type of squid and he felt that
for sure for sure this is the he sat
down and he wrote a safer and another
safer another safer. He named the safer
and he started his big movement of going
telling the world that I found the and
as a result we can do this mitzvah again
properly. We can be mim the other of the
mitzvah. This says even together only
make up one mitzvah. But there's another
component of this mitzvah that finally
were able to be mim. And in his mind he
literally discovered gold. In his mind
he found the
made it his life's mission literally to
go and to tell the world what it was
that he had found. Now it's interesting
that when the rebba found the cuttlefish
and you know started analyzing it
scientifically there was one very very
big problem. It's a very big problem. As
a matter of fact it was a huge problem
and that is that this substance that the
cuttlefish secreted that ultimately the
diner I believe was the was brown. It
wasn't blue. So if it's brown it's sort
of dead on arrival right. It's actually
interesting. The cuttlefish in German is
called the tinten fish or in English it
would be called the inkfish. And the
reason is because there's like an ink
like dye that it secretes when it feels
like it's in danger. And that ink-like
dye to the repa felt very very much like
the but the problem was it was brown. So
he consulted with different chemists and
basically what the chemist told him was
is that if you add certain ingredients
and you add different uh
substances and you expose it to
different elements then the brown is
going to turn into blue and that's what
answered this big glaring issue and that
is it's not blue it's really brown but
it was because of this that the at the
end of the day was able to make his case
and he went ahead and ran with it he had
gone to the aquarium ial denopoly in
1887 by 1891 theim were already mass
manufacturing
the and it was being sold all over
Europe and some Israel believed in and
other were agnostic and the others that
believed that it wasn't the real thing
and this created one of the great
controversies
of of really modern Jewish hal but the
bottom line is is this is the the very
brief version of exactly how the came
about discovering what he believed was
the
the cuttlefish. Fast forward to 1914,
a great genius and also an academic by
the name of Rabbitzka Herzog who would
become the first chief rabbi of the
modern state of Israel. So he was in
school and he decided to write his
doctoral dissertation on what's called
perforology, the dying of purple in
ancient Israel. So perforology believe
it or not is a study that talks about
the ancient dyes and he was intrigued by
the rebba claiming to have found the and
he decided that he's going to uh delve
into it a little bit more. He did a lot
of research. He too consulted with
archaeologists and with zoologologists
and with chemists and what he concluded
was that the redba had been fooled a
little bit.
The cuttlefish secreted an inklike dye
which made it at the very least a basis
for a compelling case that this might be
the
problem is it was brown. It wasn't blue.
What made it blue? So when you added
different ingredients that's what made
it blue. Which by the way the said is
fine because we know the we learned it
together
where the says that
he told him
right you bring the and as a matter of
fact in init
talks about exactly how they make the he
says
and you put some in it. So the fact that
it required these foreign ingredients
that didn't impress the rabb that was a
wasn't a because that's exactly where
told is the recipe the raan brings it in
but but and it was a big problem
said that he spoken over with chemists
and the chemist told him that if you
take these sim that you're adding to the
cuttlefish's uh brown ink-like secretion
and you add it to so many other things
you're going to end up with the same
coloras
which meant that there was nothing
inherent and intrinsic about the
cuttlefish we if that was added with
these other it turned into because there
was so many things that were able to do
the same thing as a matter of fact it
was the sim in his mind that was
creating the had nothing to do with the
fish and nothing you can take a herring
and maybe do the same thing it had
nothing to do with the fish and if
that's the case he believed that the
cuttlefish cannot be the
he wrote a 200 plus page uh dissertation
making his point and really
the the argument that Rafer made
seems to have stood the test of time and
it's for that reason that even today
where there's a big
movement both pro and con it's not the
now to be clear there are people that
believe that the is the realis this is
all way above my pay grade from the
hashkafer perspective from the
perspective and certainly from the
zoology perspective but the bottom line
is that for the most part razag's
dissertation seems to be really the
final analysis in terms of the way the
world at large has accepted the kas
which means that it's a fascinating
footnote in Jewish history. It for sure
was the inspiration for everythingless
going on in the world today. Makes for
Gishmak.
But at the same time, at the same time,
most people that are even pro don't
believe that the was the real they do
not believe that the cuttlefish was the
So what exactly was the so interesting
Rabbi Herzog in his
dissertation said that he believes that
the is actually not a fish, it's a
snail. And it's a snail that belongs to
the family of the Murix snails,
specifically the infamous Murix's
trunculus. Now, he wrote a whole
dissertation, again, this is the safer
of that piece explaining why he believes
it's the Mur's trunculus. Did a very
very thorough job. But it's actually
interesting because at the end of his
thesis he ended off with a and the
reason is because as much as in his mind
the murk's trunculus seemed to be
what he thought was the but there's a
problem and the reason is because the
mur's trunculus although if you take out
its secretion you can create a dye and
the dye has qualities but it was very
purplish. It was like a purpley dye. And
said that the is not just blue, it's
blue and it's do which means it's sky
blue. And if that's the case, he said
that as much as lie that this is what it
is. And based on his secular research,
he's he's pretty confident that this
must be what it is. But it doesn't with
the most basic about and that is that it
has to be sky blue. And if you look at
it, it's purplish. And if that's the
case, and that's pretty much the way he
left off his thesis in 1914. And that's
pretty much the way he left it in terms
of his understanding when he would write
about it and lecture about and be asked
questions about it when he passed away
in the year 1959
stating that fast forward and this is
some point
after he had already passed away. There
was a discovery that was made and it was
made almost by by accident by some
chemist that really changed everything
and I'm just going to read it from the
book the rearest blue again that was
written by Dr. Baruk Sturman. So reading
page 126, one page. As we saw earlier,
in the 1960s, the famous Israeli
archaeologist Yigel Yadin had turned to
Adelstein, someone that he mentions
earlier in the book, for help in
analyzing some of the textiles found in
the digs at Msada, including the bundle
of purple wool, which the archaeologist
speculated might be authentic. Now, it's
purple, but he speculated that it might
be authentic. It turned out not to be
the case, but to find and shrink
Adelestein. Nevertheless, he developed a
lasting interest in the ancient purple
shellfish dyes and particularly in the
Jewish on a visit to Israel that had
decisive consequences. He asked two
professors for help in researching the
topic. Aayud Span, a marine biologist
from Hifer University and Ado Ellner, a
die chemist from the Shanker College of
Fashion and Textile Technology. Inner
was particularly well suited for the
task since as a young chemist he had
worked with woe dying in his native
Poland before immigrating to Israel
because of the unavoidable rancid smell
that accompanies dying with snails.
Eller conducted his experiments near an
open window. So usually scientists they
conduct their experiments in labs right
but it smelled so bad this guy that he
felt that he he was suffocating. So he
goes to an open window. That seemingly
insignificant choice of location led to
a groundbreaking observation. Eller
gathered the snails, extracted the
glands, and collected the dark purple
dye. He applied the standard techniques
used in a wo dying, adding the necessary
chemicals to put the dye into solution.
He immersed the wool, and after removing
it, he watched it turn from greenish
yellow to its final permanent color, as
expected. And as old scholars and
chemists have claimed for a hundred
years, the wool indeed took on a purple
U on cloudy days that is. But when
working in bright sunshine, Elner saw
something quite different. The trunculus
dye produced a beautiful sky blue color.
Furthermore, the azour color of the wool
that emerged from the brackish liquid
was fast and lasting. It didn't fade,
nor did it change its color. Elsner
researched the chemical processes taking
place in his sundrrenched dye mixture
and discovered that while in solution,
the dye molecules are less stable than
when in their natural condition.
Ultraviolet energy, such as found in the
rays of bright sunlight, can break the
bonds that attach some of the atoms to
each other within the dye molecule.
These photochemical processes alter the
purple and red constituents of the
Murix's extract and leave primarily
indigo which is of course pure sky blue
had solved the riddle. The bottom line
is years after Rafertzog had suggested
his thesis but he was stumped. He had
this because at the end of the day it's
purple it's not blue. By mistake, this
scientist Viz Adner literally by mistake
went and he put this dye by the sun
exposed it to ultraviolet sunlight and
then incredibly the purple converted to
blue and it was a lasting blue. It
didn't fade, it didn't change color.
There was no way to revert it. So this
process, this chemical process was
something that was so significant and it
turned into a perfect indigo which we
know kalahon that's the color of the it
turned into an absolute purple and
really in the minds of many certainly in
the scientific community this really
proved it was
Rabbi Herzog's thesis and the felt the
murk's trunculus based on the scientific
methods that scientists use to make
their arguments seems to be the kilos.
So I think it's Kadai to pivot now and
talk a little bit about that aspect that
part of Rabbi Herzog's thesis and that
is the argument that
is the the Murik's trunculus.
The first thing that I think is critical
to understand if you want to objectively
go through this is that the
is not something that was uniquely
Jewish. Right? So the idea of wearing
tits is something that's uniquely
Jewish. Although back in the day a
begott arbakano was not uniquely Jewish.
People wore begott them of arbakano and
the is saying take your beggar of
arbakano and put on it. But just the
concept of is not something that was
uniquely Jewish. Right? People used to
dye their clothing. As a matter of fact,
the idea of dying was something that was
considered very very so the royals would
dye their clothing. So that if somebody
that was a pedestrian, you're just a
regular guy, a push dimension, and you
went and you dyed your clothing OR EVEN
ONE STRING OF your clothing or one strip
on your clothing.
You were literally somebody that was
going to be you're because it was
understood that only the royals were
able to do this. By the way, by the way,
how do we know this? So, there's a
million secular sources for this. As a
matter of fact, we have today from the
the code of laws of the ancient Romans.
We could show chapter and verse where it
says very clearly that no person that's
not a member of the royal family shall
be caught wearing something with a blue
dye or a purple dye or any of these
dies. So we know for a fact but it's a
you know what the Ramban is it's in this
week's par this week's par the says big
and says that what does it mean that the
big day will
so he says that all the big day were big
on some level in the next this is
something that we're going to talk about
in great length so I'm picking up in
middle of the Raman one excerpt as it
relates to even the colors of
even today.
There's no person that would have the
audacity and to go ahead and wear this
color unless he's a melivan.
I'll prove it to you even further. You
ready for this drum roll?
What was the
says the
went out was the first thing mentioned
he wore BECAUSE THAT WAS A ROYAL
GARMENT. IT'S A FACT. THIS IS THE WAY IT
WAS. AND that's why
because he's wearing
this is a very important point because
was not something uniquely Jewish. It's
not, oh, we have this ritual, we came up
with this Indian that we take a little
bit of was something that was common.
Now, it was common amongst the royals
and the aristocrats, but at the same
time, it's something that was out there,
which by the way will now lend even more
credibility, you would think, to what
the scientific community has to say on
the topic. And the reason is because
they're not opining on something that
was uniquely Jewish. They're talking
about something that existed or
something that was pervasive back in the
day. The royals wore on their begard and
the yidden would take this one fringe
and they would put it on the corners of
their bag. But the bottom line is again
this is a very very critical
almost introductory point and that is
that the is not something that was
uniquely Jewish. Now this gets really
interesting that is believe it or not
Aristotle Ram quotes Aristotle
throughout the but Aristotle believe it
or not wrote a book I think it's called
the book of animals has some not such uh
not such original name but I think it's
called the book of animals and in his
book of animals he talked about
different uh creatures that were used to
secrete some liquid that ultimately was
used by the royals for their dyes.
And he refers to an animal called the
purpura. That's what he refers to. He
refers to an animal called the perpa.
And he says from the purpura we create
these purple dyes and these blue dyes.
It comes from it comes from the purpura.
What is a perpa? The scientific
community believes 100% the papura is a
snail. Specifically they believe it's
the murk snail. So this animal that
Aristotle was uh describing that he said
was the source of these ancient dyes was
in his mind the propura. It gets more
interesting because the prov
have put together a whole a list of
different
who when describing they actually use
the word
there's a ra who quotes we don't have
this but the ra was one of the one of
the and he quotes with says what's the
we saw this in yesterday's
It's
uses the wordura
uses the word propura
he uses the word perpura. So the
scientific community understands that
perpura is what it's a muric snail.
Aristotle already wrote about in his
books. This is an old Indian that goes
back a very very long time. And now we
have Israel that when they talked about
the they actually used the word pura. So
it's almost a layup, right? So the
perpura is the the murk snail and it's
something that was discussed widely in
secular sources and and here we have
THAT ACTUALLY USED THAT WORD. They use
the word pura. So you would think 1 plus
1 equals 2. You almost know that the
perpa is the the murk snail.
We mentioned earlier the garmental
we mentioned.
We mentioned rashi
there's another rashi. This rash is
the also mentions and on right which is
a plural for says rashi limates. Sarashi
we know spoke old French and very often
he helped the reader know exactly what
this uh archaic in that he's trying to
describe is Rashi says you want to know
what the iss
you know what it is it's a snail so
Rashi already told us that you want to
know what the limates is it's a snail
and the truth is it's that we mentioned
earlier because
that it has a shell
right just like the line it has this
naric that grows together with it. So so
too this is the same thing that it it
right the clothing used to grow but the
bottom line is is that we know said that
it's not a fish it's only
right as a matter of fact it's something
that can live at sea but it's like
and we also know it has a shell it
sounds a little bit like a snail right
it's a snail Right. And here you have
that said it was the perp that Aristotle
already wrote about which we know is a
snail. By the way, another thing that
has done and that is I don't know if
you've ever done this but in the old
city. So there's the Armenian quarter,
right? One of the four quarters is the
Armenian quarter. And there are people
there that speak a fluent Aramaic by the
way. It's highly recommended if you have
an opportunity to take a tour guide. I
went there with Rabil Goldhaver but uh
he's uh he's tremendous. show you who
the gabber could do it as well. But the
bottom line is is that if you go to the
Armenian quarter, you could uh actually
meet people that speak of fluent
Aramaic. So they have videos of the
showing them the Muric snail and they
ask them, you know, how would you
describe this? They say it's a, you
know, that's what it is. So
apparently even for those that have a
mess of exactly how to speak Aramaic
they refer to it as they refer to it as
the snail. There's another interesting
again secularish source to this and that
is in the tarash right what's known as
the septrogant. So in the so what is
that that's
where the garra says it was a that he
took all the and he put them into
separate rooms and he told them to be
the into Greek and they were all and
they all made the same shiny now we
don't have a a internally in terms of
what the mash look like we don't have it
it's not something that we have but in
the secular world there's very much a
messiah in terms of this what they refer
to I don't know if I'm pronouncing this
right decept. But the bottom line is is
they have some sort of uh on it that
goes back thousands of years and on the
word on the word they write it's a d
that comes from the perp which again we
know we've identified as being the
murale. So there's there's some pretty
compelling evidence. There's some pretty
compelling evidence that the
is a snail. I mean almost unavoidable
evidence. By the way I've heard the kash
ask. So what did the balas what didbba
do with the fact that you have the
propuros maybe didn't know I don't know
I you have to go through his form was
goyan I mean the balis was a goyan on
the same level as any of the go of the
19th century just to put into
perspective right 19th century was a kal
and and the reba was was up there the
cover that all the gave him was on the
highest highest level but you know the
fact that rashi says limates and the
fact that it has a shell. So obviously
he had a he had a mush with this a
little bit but the bottom line is is
that it feels very very compelling that
is the propur I mean we have and the
and the ravi
they all say it was the pura we know the
papura today is the mur snail
and based on that it it seems pretty
pretty
confident that that we're on to
something that that this is the mur now
there's A few other points that need to
be spoken out, I think, in order to
appreciate this a little bit better.
Number one,
the only aquatic creature that's known
to the scientific community today in the
year 2026 that has the ability to
secrete a liquid that will turn into
some indigo looking dye that's going to
have lasting uh
qualities is the muralist. There isn't
another one. It's the only one. So,
we've narrowed it down to one just from
a scientific perspective. Now, it
doesn't mean that there isn't another
something that exists. But in terms of
what we know now based on modern Yadas,
this is the only thing that we're aware
of which again for sure bolsters this.
It's not checkmate, right? Because we
don't know what we don't know. But at
the same time, it's it's it's pretty
compelling when you add it to what it is
that we already know. But there's
another argument that's been made and
that is let's say the murk's trunculus
is not the let's say there is something
else. Let's say this is a mistake. Let's
say it's it's not the so the kasha then
becomes how comeal when they talked
about the and they were so worried about
the fakes right they were worried about
the kalon how come they never address
the fact make sure you don't use the mur
trunculus right because it's aa thefta
says it has to come from the and if it
doesn't come from the it's going to be a
problem why did THEY NEVER EVEN ADDRESS
THIS how come this was not something
that even bothered So there are a lot of
people that feel that that's a very very
strong argument that must be they wen't
they weren't aware of anything else and
if that's THE CASE THIS MUST BE THE ONLY
THING MEANING IT HAS to be that the only
thing that they knew that can produce
this was either the either the murk's
trunculus or the caloan the mur chunulus
is the real one the calilan's a fake and
that's the fake that they're going ahead
and addressing cuz if you're going to
tell me that it's not the murk's
trunculus and it's um I don't know some
other thing well then they should have
said don't use the kalulan And don't use
the mirulus EITHER. FROM THE FACT THAT
IT WAS never addressed, that in of
itself might be a riot. Now, the truth
is, is that a ria? It's it's for sure
not a riot. Number one, how come they
didn't address the why didn't they
address the cuttlefish? That's a little
bit of an interesting
was so wrong that they didn't even feel
that they have to address it. It's my
own. I think it's a good. Additionally,
additionally, I saw Miller Schlita in
Atuva. He says that let's be honest
until recently we didn't even that the
mir trunculus can produce the kalus
rabzog left his dissertation
because at the end of the day they
couldn't figure it out it was purple it
wasn't artis it wasn't now they
understood why aristotle would have
spoken about it because it had this
purplish dye quality so there's no
question why he would have talked about
but it couldn't have been aris why
couldn't it have been artis because at
the end of the day aralis has to be do
it has to be a sky blue and this wasn't
a sky blue this was purplish color and
it was until this elner who right the
gam until he figured this out so all of
a sudden now we know about it but maybe
just like we didn't know about it until
recently the ancients didn't even know
about it so you want to know what kazal
did in Bavar because this was not
something that was popular nobody no one
was handling with this and as a result
there was it was never why didn't they
address electricity because there was no
electricity so they didn't address this
either cuz this hadn't been discovered
yet at the time yeah they knew about the
poor Puro they knew about the murkulus
but it was purple it wasn't blue and as
a result if it wasn't blue it's for that
reason it wasn't used stating that
stating that I think you can walk away
from the kas
with a a fairly high level of confidence
like that it's the murk's trunculus and
that's the and you know we pretty much
found our smoking gun again you have it
being described by kazal as a snail we
know it's like it's not a dog. We know
it could be at sea. We know it can also
it can right go mountain climbing. So we
see already it's not just a fish. It's
only by the way the murix looks like a
fish. If you look at a picture in it, it
literally has the hydrum of a fish. It's
which is what say
which in of itself is actually very
interesting. You know what does it mean
that it's so that they all say today
it's very hard to find because what it
does is it somehow is able to uh
camouflage itself at so if you try
catching it they're not easy to catch
and as a result it's what does it mean
that it's the cash everybody asked what
do you do with the fact that it's the
already you know addressed that
extensively he said it means it's hard
to come by it's it's it's a rare fine
but believe it or not even before
already wrote in
could be it was but he says it's
not something that's going to be
anymore. Either way, this is something
that was addressed already by the it's
probably more of a than meant to be
taken literally. But again, the bottom
line is describe it as described it as
having a shell. We know that they refer
to it as theuro which Aristod already
wrote about and he was clearly referring
to the Murex. We have the fact that
Rashi says limates and limates we know
is a snail. It's in the mashim as being
a a snail.
The Armenians today will refer to it as
a for whatever that's worth. But the
bottom line is there is some that the is
a snail. By the way, here's another
interesting one. Where is the found
where it was found? It was found near
Ty, right? By Ty and Khifa. So, you
ready for this? The
archaeologists have discovered coins
that go back to the times of uh Ty,
right? When Ty was in its heyday when it
was a very important part of the world.
And many of the coins have in them
embossed and engraved a picture of the
Murex, literally a picture of the Murex,
showing that it was a very important
part of its economy. Right? And because
it was such an important part of its
economy, that's why it's there. We
mentioned that it's found by the Greek
islands, right? That's the Mediterranean
Sea. They have found millions and
millions of these murk shells, millions,
mammish millions of these shells by uh
by the Mediterranean Sea. Well, since
Aristotle talked about how the Greek
royals used to wear the different dyes
that came from it. But the bottom line
is there's so much scientific evidence
that seems to point in the direction. Is
it 100%? No. Are there cashes on it?
100%. But at the same time, if you
wanted to make the argument based on Gre
scientific method and even based on GR
that you found, it definitely sounds
like you have every right to do so. And
it sounds like you're probably very very
very much on to something. But here's
the next part of this and that is does
it matter from aic perspect? Let's
assume it is the which again it feels
compelling. Does it matter? Does it
matter or it doesn't matter? You say
what's the shism? Of course, it's going
to matter. How could you negate a
mitzvah? We know how to be it's then
with the
so when he was lobbying what he believed
at the time was that he showed it to all
the Israel. And there's many different
anecdotes in terms of how different
Israel react. There was some that
reacted. Wow. They couldn't believe him.
They made a and they were so excited.
the Marsham wrote that he wanted to be
buried with the because he was so
convinced that this was the real and
they say the were the I don't know I
didn't research this myself but
that for sure were major that's for sure
they were mass-producing them by the
tens of thousands so there were that for
sure and they took upon themselves 100%.
One of the anecdotes they say is that
Reba went to Kitna and he asked him to
put on the he says the the belt doesn't
do it and if the belt doesn't do it I'm
not going to do it. I'm not doing
something that the belt doesn't do. So
they say the went to the window and he
saw there was a water carrier that was
walking outside. So he called him over.
He said
he comes to the window and he says let
me ask you a question
right your lad. He looked at him. He
says, "I don't know what you're talking
about."
He turned to And he told him says,
"Everybody, THE WHOLE WORLD KNOWS THIS
HAS NO IDEA WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT." He
said, "When talk about the belt, they
mean people that know people that are
holding in the sun, they're the only
ones." SO HE SAID, "IF YOU'RE going to
wear it and I'm going to wear it and the
others and the others are going to wear
it, then the belt will have done it."
What do YOU MEAN THE BELT doesn't do it?
When we define the belt, this is what we
mean. But either way, he sent this
to a lot of
but the one that responded in the most
way not surprisingly and really this is
the
for all the people that will tell you I
don't care if it's the or it's not the
I'm not wearing it was the BI the
responded to to the balas and the balei
told him there's no mess on and if
there's No onus. We're not going to
wear. Now, to be clear, By told him
other things as well. One thing BI told
him is that say that it was hidden. So,
if it was hidden, it sounds like it
doesn't exist anymore. Now, you could be
a facic on that. Hidden maybe just means
it's like punked hidden. Hidden that
it's hidden that no one's allowed to
find it. And oh, by the way, just
because it's hidden doesn't mean you're
never going to be able to find it. Some
of this free it's mashed a little bit.
It's hidden until
good. There's another
that told him which by the way
he said it all by thinking the name of
the but
where the says in the parish of
the
said why does the interrupt the mitzvah
with the
It should have said
why you putting in. So the said it's
because we have but we don't have
that part of the
that's why we interrupted we interjected
the word in the middle of the so said
that it's not supposed to be again that
you can also be
how many were we missing it that means
it's never going to come back again but
that wasn't
the was there's no messiah and because
there's no messiah even if it's the real
he said we're not going to put on now
what does it mean what's the what does
it mean there's no messiah what does
that mean there's no messiah now's now
there's a messiah now we know how to do
the mitzvah truth is there's a
understanding of it and there's a
hashkovic understanding of it the
understanding of it is is that if
there's no mia how to do the mitzvah we
can't do the mitzvah we could only do do
a mitzvah where there's a mess of how to
do the mitzvah. If there's no messiah
how to do it, you can't do the mitzvah
better to do the mitzvah. There's no to
do a mitzvah where there's no clear ms
how to do a mitzvah. The reason we do
mitzvah is not just because it says in
the to do mitzvah. It's
it's on the mitzvah and if there's no ON
THE MITZVAH THAT'S FOR THERE TO be no
and no obligation. It's but if there's
no on the mitzvah there's no there's no
obligation to do the mitzvah. That's one
perish and there's no means that Tat
didn't do it. Tat didn't win fillins so
I'm not wearing fill that's not know
what it means. No m means there's no mia
how to do the mitzvah and if there's no
ms how to do the mitzvah I don't know
how to do the mitzvah and I'm not going
to be to do the mitzvah either but
there's a hashk component with it as
well and that is
so integral to yiddish we can't shepher
and the minute we cher with ms even if
we're being even if wow I'm going to do
a mitzvah it's expensive I'm going to do
something I hadn't done in the past but
now I'm going to go ahead and I'm going
to do it well if I go ahead and I do
that what's
here maybe maybe somewhere ELSE
and it goes all the way back to
and the minute we start deviating from
that would have probably said the minute
we start deviating from our messiah well
at that point at that point we're
risking everything and it's not
the possibility and maybe the
probability that we got the Right? B
that I should do a mitzvah
because the minute I do that I'm risking
everything
says in his
most integral in the entire this is what
keeps the sacred. This is what keeps it
intact. And it's for that reason the B
held could be you're right. Maybe you're
right. But he wasn't a spoile. He didn't
even want to meet with the they say it
was because in his mind this whole
Indian it was dead on arrival because in
we don't have any tradition of doing
this and as a result you could bring me
all the in the world as as far as he's
concerned it wasn't going to be you know
one of the big arguments people make
when it comes to the what do you have to
lose it's pure upside you have nothing
to lose and by the way what's the mccard
that you have nothing to lose because
even the gar says that if you put on and
askon Right.
Right. So let's say it's wrong. Let's
say it's the fake. You didn't lose
anything. You didn't lose anything.
Right? That's one of the big arguments.
What do you have to lose would say? What
do you mean you have to lose the you're
losing this? You have a lot to lose.
Right? The other people say it's
so
based on that
you should have to do it. That's you do
already said that the only time you say
is when if you're going to be you know
for sure you're being the mitzvah. But
to the extent that even if you're still
not sure you're being it's this has a
millionas on it. But this is a famous
in that instance in that case there's no
as a matter of fact there are people
that argue that if you wear today and
you don't could be
could be because you're not doing the
mitzvah in the appropriate way and you
know how you're supposed to do the
mitzvah. But again the the the real
yeshiva terrorists to all these kashes
is the bi there's no messiah on it and
if there's no messiah there's no messiah
and it's not just a heritage I don't do
what my father didn't do that's not the
is that is something that we observe
and it's for that reason to the extent
that there's no I'm not to could be I'm
not even supposed to but the bottom line
is that's how this plays itself out. So
here's the final analysis lanas and that
is it sounds like the the case to be
made of the murk's trunculus being the
is very very compelling okay discusses
on it but it's it's very very very very
very very compelling stating that the
counter argument is
let's say it is let's say it is doesn't
necessarily obligate me to go ahead and
do it which makes The controversy like
all controversies fascinating but
uniquely fascinating because really the
two sides of the argument are not even
is it the or is it not the I think most
people think that's what the argument is
it the or is it not the and listen we
know that we're
and we know that don't wear and didn't
wear right
we all know but at the same time what's
interesting is is I think to the layman
and the is it or is it not and I think
it's easy to be convinced that it is
stating that if you understand the
argument albeit for sure from the from
the which by the way trickled itself
down to
the way the manu and the went about this
it was with that it's not even about
that it's not about his
they weren't his fault because at the
end of the day we're not going to go
ahead and we're not going to do a
mitzvah We're not going to do a mitzvah
that there's no messiah on. Truth is
that really these two start again it
started in the 19th century. There's so
much from the whether it is or isn't the
there's so much from the that's a to the
modern uh debate and the modern
controversy because let's be honest
there was so many that wore the so if
wore it and the wore it and the wore it
and there were tens of thousands of that
wore it. So you're going to tell me of
course of it. There was so many sadikim
that wore it but then again the bi from
coming from the bish of the go and
whatever there was so many that felt not
that way. So obviously if somebody's not
going to sites it's going to be came out
of it that's also going to be fine. So
again for sure for sure the precedent
was set by the controversy two ways of
looking at it and remember there's two
components to this controversy. Is it or
is it not?
Does it does it even matter? And these
are the questions that we started with.
I think we're ending with the same
questions to a to a certain degree,
albeit hopefully coming from a little
bit more of an intelligent and
intellectual perspective. The bottom
line is we should be we should be to
finally have the the true nature of the
reveal so that all will be able to wear
the will be it'll be we'll all be
wearing the same
which will bring us to where we're
supposed to be.
Amen.