The Dispute Between Rebbeinu Yehudah and the Chachmei Provence on How to Correct a Tefillah

this Tower class is brought to you by torahanytime.com I'm gonna do something a little bit different than usual um it's going to be a sheer about a halacha Kenyan but something that is uh has become just very recently we're going to talk about something that is discussed in a touchless says the following if a person made a mistake and he didn't dab in minha on Friday well let's start earlier even what's a look if you don't have enough Villa you forget to Daven you forget to Diamond chakras you forget it forget it you gotta pay back you gotta make up you forget chakras if you forget you have to Dam in two marrows if we get two maraves you have to Diamond two chakras right but you only have the next filo to make it up you can't make it up after that what's the Allah if you forget minha Arab Shabbos could you make it up Mario Friday night say make it up Mario Friday night I'm gonna make up a weekdays Fila by Davin by davening two Shabbos feelers how can I make up a weekdays weekdays philos how can I make up 18 Brokers without any seven rockers the answer is you don't look at it that way you didn't thousand you owe us Fila this is right now shop it's the only way to Daven is this kind of FILA so even though you missed the minha you'll dive into maraves even though you missed okay that's Allah but here is the interesting question and that is what if on a regular Tuesday you missed and it happens to be that it's so you're supposed to say that feeling you have to Diamond again well what if you don't remember until marath it's another problem twice yeah but what if mariv is not rush anymore so I have to make up a minha why do I have to make a payment because yeah but I can't say what point is there to dive in another schwein essay without us without yalvia in other words if then it's two days and I missed yalavia okay of what point is it what am I accomplishing the point is missing yeah well the marriage is okay so so that's if I don't dive in if I don't dive in a minha on Friday then I could have in two miles you know why because if I don't have enough I didn't dab in anything I didn't dab it so I have to Daven him but if I miss the alavia I davins I just I just I'm missing so I'm missing a paragraph well I can't make up that paragraph in Marathon okay so the opinion of Rabino Yehuda entices is that if you miss you can't make it up there's no point in Dominic again okay look entices very important look like if you made a mistake if you made a mistakes in the first one because it's the second one that's the makeup if you made a mistake is the point hurricane you ready dive in all 19 Brothers you're not accomplishing anything by davening again yeah you're not going to be mentioning and you ready davins if you miss uh guess what you blew it if you didn't get a chance yeah then you'd have married twice at night but the reason is because if you didn't have you didn't Daven so you have to dive in to make up for it but in this case he can't make enough because you did that then it's just a lacking feel-up but that lacking cannot be made up buffer that's that's what we're coming to that's what okay this is all an introduction to the last 10 minutes of this year that we're gonna talk about okay okay so as choices we know that if you didn't have in minhan Shabbos twice even though they're also you're not making up a shot of secretary dummy this is not similar that's because you didn't have in at all so you are Marvia you do gain by davening a second marath even though that Marv is not the sharpest that could feel that you missed because the way we view it is you didn't dive in and now you're diving to make up from it for it foreign but now you're diving 18 Brussels to make up for seven that you missed Tyson says that's not a problem because really on Shabbos you're supposed to say 18 it's just that we don't want to be much but in this case anymore you could have an 18 to make up for seven okay so I've always said that sub sack of Rabino Yehuda that if you forgot and no longer you don't make it up again why the language is right you're not accomplishing anything you don't uh if you miss it you don't have to Diamond again so it's not that without a Nissan it's not a it's not really a problem okay does everybody agree with Robina Yehuda no of course not right all right so the rush the Russians he quotes the opinion of Rabino Yehuda and then one two three four five six on the seventh line in the rush the rush says the sages of Provence on France if you missy do you get credit for the happening no so then you gotta dive in again since you did not fulfill your obligation it's as if you didn't it's and you need to dive in twice or I'll give you another case let's say minhan Shabbos instead of saying so now and you don't realize until Mara of time now were you say with minha no why because you didn't mention Chavez in other words on Shabbos afternoon so beautiful you're supposed to anyway that would have been the Katrina just we don't want to be my Trio yeah but you still have to at least say like a rich say or so you have to say I didn't say Shabbos so what do I do Matsuri Shabbos you got to say too much not accomplish anything hey [Applause] and therefore you need to dive into makeup right it happens to be the only filo you could die the now is the weak dates feeling could you make it up in a marriage if you dab in a weaknesses and then to do Davin essay by Marriott what's his argument he says it's not cool correct you count for something right so now let's just iron out let's just say clearly what's the math like this yeah this is how the stapler and the kilosak of Zion explains very clearly very beautiful that the way Rabino Yehuda looks at it is he sees it that if you dive into monetary and you forget you are misspello you get credit for trila your say it's Fila you have a key of tadavin I was here the only thing I wasn't Makaya was I wasn't Makai of mentioning and one key of in my feel I have to include a mentioned so therefore I fulfilled Fila I didn't fulfill mentioned in in that feeling so now it's mat soy Shabbos now what do you want me to do you want me to Davin essay that doesn't have it yesterday I got it ready Speedline I wasn't Makai in the insert well I can't insert a nail so in Marvel I don't gain anything however says the stipler look at number five and anybody ever see that before just pay the new Russia tables so you walk out of the shows any of us someone can see what does best pay stand for I know uh required you to mentioned and if you don't mention yeah you change the whole now I'm not getting this no my first video wasn't at Villa now the definition of FILA has changed now that it's not really this definition of FILA is without a yell of the other okay so the maholic is between do we look at it that you just left out an insert or do we look at it that you didn't have okay he says twice why because the only thing I omitted was the insert of Shabbos no because here is a different thing I would have possibly thought what you're saying but toaster says because it's already established and on Shabbos really you should be dominating 18 and then adding but it is a difference it's a difference the really I would have been fine Avenue the the icker part of the two of Shabbos is yeah also the the is in the last thing right so that's more Library it's like it's here it's like that's an insert okay body the body yeah but but but Isis does say that really on Travis I have 18 but what about McAllister Shabbos where would we have put it we would have just thrown in those words maybe we were given an Ava to you know for cherry on top of us how do we pass again Yehuda so before you look what would you say off the bat when you have a machlaikus in brachice whether you should right you say Davin again ravini Huda says don't Diamond again what would you say I would say something about yourself you always have a way out and that is you could say I could say like this according to cosme Provincia I need to Daven again foreign as many to us as I want and Shabbos as well no no no no no if you can't do it to be listening none of the cases we mentioned yet you forgot it on channel but you're making it up I've forgotten but I forgot on Friday we didn't we didn't discuss that Casey we discussed the case of we discussed the case where you forgot right or you forgot you're making it up we're gonna go but what you're saying is very important we're going to come to that yeah so what would you say to do well since I have since I have the option since I have the option of says like this these are the last three lines in the rush the matter is decided it's indecisive it's it cannot be decided it's it's hanging therefore said the correct approach to get yourself out of any problems at night as a free offering right now if I want academic three times any night however we don't really do it because when you dive in uh you have to add something you have to be most of something however says in this case I don't have to add anything my addition is Whoever has pain prevention that's the high Surfer the high self Is Now by davening again I'm going to be that's the that's the Kiddush you don't have to add the key event since I'm davening it again because maybe I need to Hey There Is No Greater look at number three if you make a mistake this is twice you don't make Abdul on the second one because the second one is the makeup for the minha the yes foreign okay says what's the explanation excuse it says there are those we Shannon will say you don't have to dominate what do you gains who says that is and there's one opinion that the first three law is nothing who says that foreign only works on a weekday but if a person forgot yeah and now it's Mario Friday night then you're up the creek without what very good without a paddle then you're up the quicker that why you'll say I'll die of twice and I'll dive in the same way you can what's up shot during the week right it's Fearless can I get carbonis you could bring a carbon nadava during the week but you can't bring a carbon a dove on Shabbos it can't be Michael Chavez by being a carbon adava and therefore Sesame this during the week however look at number 11 for a moment um right you're up the creek without a package it doesn't help at all then we'll have to be worried about we're always worried about we're always worried in my vehicle the thing is we have a way to be marviac and that is where we have no option of damning to us though okay okay now bear that in mind look at number six for a moment says the stipler a certain that will remain nameless um brought to my attention the following issue according to the sheet of the haspay who's the cosplay okay good you got it okay I'm just checking okay um he says like this what's the Hello if you forget you got it happen again what am I lacking the insert I'll get the insert in by most of time yeah no you got to get it in by shot first time it doesn't help that you're gonna but the hawaka is and the mission of Brewer brings us down excuse me forgets you scream at him yeah right but the guy the guy doesn't hear or the guy makes believe he doesn't here right and he just keeps on going and they're tapping him on the shoulder and he's ready and he's finished yes maybe wouldn't have to so what's up you wouldn't have to repeat it so what is what is the halasa I feel sorry for the cousin what's that look does he have to repeat now one thing is he will foreign we'll catch him hopefully he caught it in his first shot no but in the olden days he would only die that's it what if he says you're right but he has to say it aloud no but if everybody doesn't for themselves no but then what are you saying he said the old days you didn't do it so so then for those who don't know they need a good Hazard but he knows no if you're doing it that means you worry not everybody knows you can look it up did not mention he doesn't go back and he could always make it up in massive method according to the ratio so fine sir who make it up by Musa but according to the hidden if he didn't dab in chakras you don't tell a guy you didn't damage have no problem he could always that if somebody if the chef Seaboard did not say no problem he could always make it up in making up and must have only make sense if all you need to do is make up an insert but according to the provencia if you miss y'all so how could a guy who's loyal claw say oh don't worry I'll damage the answer is because the only thing I'm missing is insurance I I wasn't the kind of the Indian of putting in the high Safa and three lots in the Indian if I suffer the feeling of muscle we don't give that dispensation to but we give it to the Sharia right because I think of this world will say you know what even though really you need to be Makai insert and chakras we'll let you be Makai and insert and Musa but what are you going to tell the guy really you need to dive in shock us but you don't have to Diamond chakras today you could just have in mosa how could we go that far it doesn't make sense I can understand oh you weren't makaiim insert so you get a you get a bed and more stuff but what are you gonna tell the guy you didn't dive in chakras it's okay you're just having muscle I mean Jews Jewish people got a diamond chakras we're assuming that he said yeah okay fine but they don't have C4 waves it oh yeah you wave it yeah and does assume anything if if the guy um well what if you know um they realized after science when I say oh everyone goes down to Tasman and it's the end of the davening you gotta do no no you'll have conveniently people forgetting because you know it will start happening more frequently yeah that's the Kasha said affect the stipler how according to the how does this don't worry he could always make it up in Muslim that doesn't fit in according to the understanding of the cafe so says the stipler say like this you ready a little lambdas it won't hurt you don't worry it says the Stifler why do the prevention hold that if you miss y'allaviably then it's like you didn't Daven it's like you didn't doubt it well if I say if I say uh if I miss alanisim it's not like I didn't have in if I don't say why if I don't say Gallery obviously like I didn't have him well the felt that it was so critical that the way they were massaging that Fila was that if you don't say it you have to Daven again oh once they established that you have to Daven again if I don't say it it's like I didn't have him who doesn't say they never formulated their takana that if you miss it it's like you didn't have it the way they formulated it was to him it's like he doesn't and he has the opportunity to make up the insert in most of in other words right why obviously it's a very important thing to the point where hazal established it in such a serious manner that if you don't say it it's like like that they didn't treat it like that that it doesn't become such an integral part of essay that if you blow it it's like because and because of the opportunity of makeup for the Seattle seabor they did not formulate their takana for their because and because you have the opportunity to make it up in other words they don't give the opportunity to make it up but because they give the opportunity because in other words yeah why is it considered you then Darvin it's because say you gotta go back and Diving again is this is this because I'll give you an example I'll give you an illustration this is not I understand that in other words it's not the reason you have to Daven again is not a semen it's not symptomatic of the fact it's the fact that the Ghazal stamped it that you have to stop and again that's what makes it seven yeah right like you left out of one of the Russians so so says it says a stapler what's the Allah says the most places nobody will know the difference right included if he said nobody knows what the hell up have somebody forgot about uh of um it's probably you have to go back you shot me hoes you don't have to go back yeah but what happens the answer is you got 89 of them even though the Babbling the very likely argues they were massaging the way they view from is different than by a regular person if he omits certain things it's considered but for the shield is a little bit more loose it's not as firm so if he makes uh if he deviates from the way you can also be metallic the way used to be in the old days when he was invites to everybody then I think then I think even if you miss the broker then you're like but today since the shield says it himself and then he's just he just says it over again okay let's take it one more step before we get to the the fun part okay thank you it's all fun but okay says the stipler the mission of Base well now it's not we're not talking about anymore we're talking about you okay forget it okay whatever I didn't say yes but if you don't remember that you forgot until after Musa you're good to go so you got it crack the stapler that only works out according to Robin and Yehuda that's the reason I have to dive in again chakras is because I did not I wasn't makaiim inserting so we say if you did that most of you yes you have to damage chakras but once you're ready the insert so you don't have to go back and Diamond chocolates you already fulfilled what you need to fulfill foreign now that's very difficult to say why because why would the mission Brewer passing like Robin says this is and what do you do when you don't know what to do dad and again the same way if you forget so why if I dab in chakras I've and I forgot y'all so now Robin are yahudah would say I don't have to dominate again so David again so I it's very I I believe it's a very sure to say you're saying well Scottish no no I'm talking about I know yeah so why does it why why what how could how could the stipler say the sniper is saying the sack of the mishapur is only going to coin or Yehuda what does that mean then according to why would the Mr Brewer how would the mission Brew be able to pass the micro of interview doesn't know who the past can like so what in the crafty would say the Daven again and again as a tour that means the Mr Brewer is not telling you what to do then that means it would be differently I mean I think it's very difficult to say like the stipler that this Saka the mission of rule is going with us he's saying the fact that's what it is but but if that's the case that means the mission Bruce pass something like Robin Yehuda and that means would also tell you that if you forgot yala by minha you don't have in two marriages if you can do it you can do it if you could do it so if you could why how does the mishaburra have a right to say it once you're ready Davin mosf you don't have it again that's only according again in this situation recommends okay a few questions yeah let's do one okay one at a time yeah um the two of meat is a chakras look at the regular one and the um yeah it means that you um do um no there's no yell at the other guy most of it's automatic it's Incorporated I remember when I was in third grade the Ruby came in and said who who said and everyone raised their hand that's pretty hard hey I remember we were trapped look at the entire day oh how long is you're only allowed to make up the immediate the the the immediately previous one after me so if let's say you woke up the next night but you can't make up chat because you can't make a muscle right in that case okay so the style is pointing out forgot once he's already died in most of he doesn't have it again that only works I find it very hard to accept the the agreed to the mission bro didn't say yeah but I hold no you don't have to believe what that means so much slicer himself nothing no we hold like this is the Mahaba that is you're not good so Diamond again correct correct right and in fact with scheinberg points out that really what this type was saying is uh is you can't really say because then it would come out a steer on the mug and everyone because the mug enough RAM that we read in number four who does he poskin like nobody he says and therefore you're diving against us who says once you're ready again the mug in a room is the one who Who quotes that so the that means the two the two are contradict each other because the discussion is only on the on them but I I feel it's a question in the mission Brew also because Mr Brewer didn't argue on the Macabre when he said and therefore you have to dive in again to to be closer to them so then why would he say that if you dive in Mustafa ready then you don't have to damage chakras that's only good question he would have to Dominican and therefore so I think that basically this forces us to say that the sack of the mission of in the name of the knesses who says that if an individual forgot and he ready says you don't dive in again you have to say that's consistent with the cosme Provincia I how is that consistent but you would say you didn't have it Davin so I wrote over here maybe you could say like this very similar to what the stipler said before why is it considered that you didn't doubt it because went so far as to say that you have to Diamond again how do we know that the hoisafa is so integral to this one esre that if you didn't say it it's like you didn't Daven you know how we know that because went so far as to say that if you missed it you gotta adoption again well [Music] who missed it and then did not go as far as to say that you have to Daven again in other words only made it part and parcel of the schmeiner s-ray so long as you didn't DaVinci she already done until they didn't go so far as to say that it's like you didn't die look at this unit here but it's uh that's not so not so simple to say exactly that that is definitely it's uh right but but if you didn't dive in most of it's not a makeup for chakras ever no but it's you're already being you're recognizing that Scottish but the time events you said the problem was not that you didn't recognize now the problem is but but maybe once I recognize so then that's Fila is not the only reason it's like I didn't have it is because I didn't recognize but once I recognized so now it's like retroactively I did Davin okay ready for this one this is great this is great I forgot during the week during the week on a Tuesday again this time I said gallery but I forgot the same time what is it again right here the first time I forgot yeah no according to Rabino Yehuda the only thing is I didn't say so the second Vanessa is like yeah but the second one is yeah but I got it in the first one answer the problem is I missed an insert into Fila so the first insert uh the same time the first one the second insert of yeah of yeah but according to the caspase yeah I didn't have it not the first time the second time and guess what you're gonna until you get it right okay good one second not so okay now we're gonna throw in the the final curveball consumer first piece or one of the first pieces he has on chess and he says if you forgot yeah okay so what's up you dive in Mario twice a coin drop any of you though you don't have to die twice but according to honey what's up if you forget the saint talumatar so everybody would agree you have to dive a matter of twice because you are Marvia but what if you forget Arab Shabbos lawyer there's no vacant on the Friday night Sila so what would you say that is twice so you say well that's what should you do so we all here would say that would be if you forgot the same time Friday by men huh what's up because he came downstairs no that's not Allah the whole MacBook Advance is only if you forgot but if you forgot the same time you didn't have it because the same time it is an integral part of the ass right and therefore even the Rabino Yehuda would agree that it's like you didn't Darvin and therefore if you forgot the saint Friday afternoon everyone would agree you have to dive into um in other words bye if you forget look look at number nine yes when you leave the color he said what did you learn today stencil stencil that's big stuff okay listen it says if you forget you didn't say this is an insert the saint is like missing a bracha everyone oh that's the opinion stencil however comes shout out to his heart sweet let's see Pastor Franklin number 12. and if I'm not mistaken this is also the opinion of the choice ha shulchan and also the katakaya and he disagrees with the crime he says pink just the opposite he says what's the proof yeah Olivia if you forget Yale of yavai could you say oh I missed it in uh I'll catch it in some shall I'm only has one place in the shemanas that's considered an insert even though it's immutable it cannot be moved then koshikane the same we everybody knows if you didn't say the saint you could always make it up in the fact that you can make it up in schmuck it's not part and parcelona it's just an insert because it wasn't an insert how could you make it up in a different locations it's an insert ah so therefore says the heart see if it's an insert listen carefully and you missed the Saints Friday afternoon foreign because there's no insert would say well you didn't have in so what do you do you can't diamonds feel us so you can't dab it again so it comes out brisker and the Hearts 3 are diametrically opposite the rakheim biscuit would say that if you forgot the same thing if you forgot y'allavi everybody agrees Shabbos you can't make it up Friday night but what if you forget the Saint Helena Montana is different it's like missing a Bronco it's like missing an integral and therefore you could even make it up Friday night says the heart sweet no and therefore it's an insert that can only be made up when you have the opportunity but Friday night there's no opportunity you can't make it up so what do you do what do you do La Mesa let's say this Friday it was only like uh the second the third time you're saying the same time what would be if a person forgot the same time again or do you go like the heart city you don't tell him again well I would say go back we we would have said something but we had a way out of it yeah but now in shops you have no opportunity and your mom is up the creek without a battle yeah I would say you got a diamond again you probably should not dive in okay so this is a a very uh along the shizugion a technical Indian but it's really a beautiful uh alumnus okay you've just experienced another Torah class brought to you by torahanytime.com