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I've even seen GLP ones in Sedaka
campaigns. Like it's a raffle you can
win. No way.
>> Yeah. Like a year of Osmpic and I'm just
likeious. Yeah.
>> That is so passive aggressive. That is
so toxic.
>> Yeah. They know what people want.
Somewhere along the way we started
becoming very afraid of food. So much so
that there's like a real anxiety people
have before Yansf. The way that we talk
about food is definitely impacting our
kids.
>> Meet Rachel Tuckman, a therapist who's
calling out the way our community talks
about food, weight, and health. Y of
meals that spark fear instead of joy.
Kids growing up hearing diet talk at
every table. She's exposing how these
messages are planting the seeds for
anxiety and eating disorders. In this
conversation, Rachel breaks down why the
quick fixes like Ompic and other GLP
ones don't heal what's underneath and
why the way we speak about food and
bodies matters more than we realize.
Because our kids are listening and it's
shaping the next generation.
>> If we saw someone with an eating
disorder, let's say anorexia, we would
be scared for them. Stop. You have to
eat. You have to eat. But for someone
who, let's say, is at a weight that we
think that they need to lose weight,
we're like praising those same behaviors
that they're restricting, they're barely
eating, they're dropping tons of weight,
we're like, "Yes, you look incredible.
Amazing." We find that there's actually
higher suicide rates for people that
undergo weight loss surgery. We're
addressing the weight loss, but we're
not addressing what started this to
begin with. And so, our kids are hearing
that when you're complimenting, "Oh, how
much did you drop? 150 lbs. That's
crazy. Wow." And our kids like, "Oh,
okay. Okay, so that's a good thing to
lose weight that can trigger the eating
disorder.
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episode. I want to start out by, you
know, talking about
the relationship with food that we in
our community have. Obviously, a lot of
stuff is centered around food,
shabasim, simkas. It's a lot. Um so I
guess just a baseline do you think that
the from community how we uh interact
with food how we talk about food is is
like healthy
>> so I think that we we have run into a
problem I think that it's interesting
because so much of our like custom
religion practice is centered around
food and I always say like if you think
about it like in the times of like the
Ba mikdash it was like a giant barbecue,
right? Like this is everything we do
every holiday except for like yum kiper
and tishab and by the way even then
before then what are you eating at the
breakfast right we're talking about
these things so food is very much a a
part of our lives there's symbolism to
it we believe that it's something that
elevates aim that it elevates our shabas
so we know that it's very much a part of
our lives and we don't believe in like
depriving ourselves starving ourselves
we're not monks um and I think somewhere
along the way we have become become
obsessed with stressing about eating,
right? And we all know the conversation
before Yandiffe is like, "Oh my god, I'm
going to gain so much weight when I
don't want to eat. I'm going to be
sitting at the table all day." And what
are you making? What are you not making?
What diet are we going on after? And if
you're on social media, there's the
detox for after and the detox for before
and don't worry, you can take that, you
know, medication or whatever afterwards.
So somewhere along the way, we started
becoming very afraid of food and very
afraid of these times. So much so that
it becomes there's like a real anxiety
people have before yanziff of like oh my
god I can't like eight days of pes like
and and what am I going to eat then and
it's not anything that's on my diet and
and again I'm not even talking about
people who have special dietary
allergies or that kind of stuff just in
general regular nobody has any kind of
you know issue and it's become people
are afraid and I think it impacts
people's yam toim it and impacts their
relationships and impacts their ability
to sit at the table with their family.
>> Yeah. Um, and it's it's sad, you know,
it's become such a source of stress that
it shouldn't be.
>> What does that do for a child? I mean,
what what are what what are the effects?
I I feel like I don't know how many
generations were into this thing, but
post Holocaust, it's like really tough
to I think the whole food thing then
was, you know, I I remember my
grandfather who was a survivor by my
table collecting crumbs. Like nothing
was allowed to go into the garbage. Um,
which is nice and all, but also has that
that's that's just one symptom of it.
There's an effect it has on future
generations, but like our kids
constantly hearing term the terms diet
and weight loss and scales and this is
that that's fine or is like no that will
have a negative effect on someone.
>> So the way that we talk about food is
definitely impacting our kids. Meaning
again, if we're talking about Yantif
with fear of like, "Oh my god, what am I
going to do? What am I? There's so much
food and I'm going to gain weight and
this is terrible. What do our kids
think? Eating is bad. Eating is scary.
Yantiff is stressful and terrible. Being
hungry or eating a lot of food is a
terrible thing. Like enjoying is is
something that we shouldn't be doing.
And again, kids are learning from how we
talk about food. If we're making it,
that food is scary and something we
don't want to be partaking in and it's
like an as needed basis and we want to
eat the least amount possible. Kids who
for sure when they're young and
definitely when they get into like
puberty year puberty years where they're
growing and more hungry, they're going
to become afraid of that. Shoot, eating
is bad. I know my dad is like not eating
anything now and he doesn't want he's
not eating kala and he doesn't want to,
you know, only salad and this and that.
And then they start feeling bad about
themselves. Wait, I'm hungry. I like
kala. Shoot, I eat an extra piece of
cocoa. Am I
>> disgusting? Do I need to go on a diet?
So, it's definitely planting seeds in
our kids' heads about food and diet that
they're start and diet. I mean, as a way
of eating, not diet as weight loss. That
this is something to be afraid of. And
we know that that parents are not always
the source of of problems with food and
eating, but they're the primary source
for kids to learn about their
relationships with their bodies, with
food, with all of these things, with
with the world. They learn about
themselves through what their parents
say and teach them. So if they're
learning early on that Yantiff is a time
that you need to be stressed out and
sitting at a table is the worst thing on
earth and putting food in your mouth is
like horrible and terrible and all you
think about afterwards is how you're
going to work that food off and tie your
belt tight or go for a 40-minute walk
after to compensate for what you ate.
This is what they're picking up on and
that's how they go through the world
which is um scary because a kid also
can't make sense of that. They don't
know why they have to do it but they
just know that the adults in their life
are doing that and kids don't need to be
distracted with that. like there's too
much in the world anyway. They should be
thinking about who they want to play
with, how far they get on the monkey
bars, what's their score at the last
game, and how they want to do better.
>> They shouldn't be consumed with these
thoughts, you know?
>> So, so what is like a good healthy way
of talking about it? Is it just not
talking about at all or there is like a
normal way to do it?
>> So, I think we definitely we want to
teach our kids about how important
eating is, right, for fueling their
bodies, for giving them energy, for
helping them concentrate in school. And
you'll see like teachers will say they
can tell when a kid's need breakfast.
They're like tired, sluggish, they can't
pay attention. They have no energy. Like
they need to be eating. It's important,
you know, that's why they build in snack
times and lunchtime and re like always
making sure kids are eating. So
definitely talking to your kids about
the importance of food. It helps us
grow. It helps us concentrate. It helps
us, you know, function in this world.
But not categorizing it as good or bad
or even I believe healthy or unhealthy.
Right? I believe all food has a time and
a place. Some foods are for certain
occasions, meaning we don't eat cake
every single day, but cake at a birthday
party is a wonderful, beautiful thing.
And I would say it's the healthy thing
because it's happy and it's associated
with joy and good things, you know, and
there's a time for candy, too.
Obviously, we don't want kids eating
candy every day cuz again,
nutritionally, it's not even giving them
what they need, but there's a time and a
place for it. So I say even labeling
food as healthy or unhealthy because
kids are such concrete thinkers, they'll
think if I'm eating something unhealthy
that must mean that I'm bad and
unhealthy. So instead we just say you
can label it fun foods, you can label it
sweet foods, you can label it crunchy
foods, whatever you want. But I would
say stay away from junk food cuz again
it's not junk. Um no food is junk. But I
think just how we talk about food in
general. Just we just food is food. And
I think if we just talk about it as a
way that yes, it's a wonderful if you
want to say it's like a gift from Hashem
and we're so lucky we have it and it
makes us happy and there's a time and a
place great. But I think as if we make
it about body size and about trying to
look a certain way um I think that's
where the danger comes. So we really
need to just talk about it I think in a
way that it's just it's something we
enjoy and it's good for us and that's
it. So speaking on about body size and
stuff like that something that um is a
trend or I think maybe maybe better term
than trend but our GLP ones is epic
mangjaro this is something that has you
know many years ago not many years ago a
couple years ago Hollywood was you know
everyone in Hollywood's on this but now
it's almost like every from community
has um I don't want to say most but a
lot of people are on GLP ones are are
taking shots to lose weight lose it
asked and I don't I don't so much so
want to get into like how is it
physically for someone because I'm sure
there's a whole lot of science on is it
good for someone physically, what does
it do with them long term, all that
stuff. I'm more talking I guess the the
mental um effect or impact it has
positive or negative you tell me. The
the presence of these shots of these get
lose the weight fast options in our
circles. What does that do for us?
>> Right. So, it's interesting cuz I've
even seen like JLP ones like in like
Seducka campaigns like it's like a
raffle you can win.
>> No way.
>> Yeah. Like a year of OMIC and I'm just
like Yeah. I've seen that before. Yes.
>> That's unreal.
>> You haven't seen that? I
>> That's so passive aggressive. That is so
toxic.
>> Yeah. But you know what these
>> but these organizations know they know
what people want. They know people. It's
expensive and you know you can get a
year of shots like they'll do it. So I
they're thinking how do we get people to
buy tickets and support our
organization? Let's do what's trending
>> at their Chinese auction where they're
serving. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Especially I find it interesting
when it's like organizations let's say
that are like talking about things
related to like health and longevity in
the community and it's like what are you
guys doing? Like I don't you know.
>> So so it seems like you're not a fan of
this stuff.
>> I wouldn't say I'm not I'm not a fan. I
I don't judge. There's a time and a
place. People who need it need it.
People who want it want it. I do think
though we need to look at the effects of
that suddenly like there's nobody in a
bigger body in our community anymore.
Like what happens? Um and I think that
that's scary because eventually I think
what will happen is just like any other
weight loss medication that we've ever,
you know, had come onto the market.
Somewhere down the line we're going to
hear that these are probably not healthy
and they can't be used in the way that
they're being used right now. Meaning
not for people with, you know, without
diabetes or actual health concerns. So,
I feel like this is probably not going
to last so long. And then what, right?
So, then people who are on it will
probably gain that weight back. And then
what does that do for the people who
were living in that smaller body where
they felt good about themselves, maybe
they were getting all the dates, maybe
they got married, maybe they all their
problems felt like they were solved
because they were in this smaller body
and then suddenly they're not anymore.
Um, but then I also wonder for the kids
who cannot be on it yet, they say, "Why
does nobody look like me? like why does
everyone want to be smaller? Is there
something wrong with how I look? You
know, like I used to look like my dad,
but now I don't anymore. Is that a bad
thing? And I think that what we need to
do is we need to teach kids bodies come
in all different shapes and sizes. And
like it's a good thing. Just like
there's different shoe sizes and
different heights and different hair
colors and, you know, different eye
colors, there's also different body
shapes and one's not better than the
other. And I think like the mentality
has always been that when we see a
person in a bigger body, there's a thin
person trapped inside that's just
waiting to come out. Um, and there's
this concept of body diversity, like I
said, height, eye color, hair color,
body shape, too, you know. So, I think
that's where I worry that like kids
growing up and especially like
adolescence, young teenage boys and
girls, it affects boys too, that they're
suddenly seeing only one body type and
so they're going to be doing extreme
things to try to fit into that. And it's
also teaching them a message of like,
well, if I don't look like that body
type that I'm seeing now everywhere,
what's wrong with me? Um, and that's
scary. Like the effect that it will have
on mental health. Again, we don't know
yet cuz it's so new,
>> right? Yeah.
>> But I'm worried about it, you know? I'm
worried.
>> Yeah. I mean that is for forget the kids
for a second cuz it obviously that's
where it's going to head and kids have
these questions but even for the adults
themselves the concept of like them not
having to really change much of their
habits or lifestyle but be able to do
something and have a a result like that
can't be like good that can't be good
for us
>> so I know I know from like research that
they've done for people who have like
weight loss surgery um a lot of a lot of
the effects afterwards are we find that
there's higher suicide rates for people
that um undergo weight loss surgery and
very often the reason is number one they
don't screen very well for them in terms
of mental health. So they're not looking
at like what's happening that like you
are in this current situation. You know
sometimes people who are at weights like
that that they need weight loss surgery.
There's something mentally going on for
them. There's distress, there's anxiety,
there's depression, there's there is a
reason, right? Or there's an eating
disorder that's not diagnosed that we're
not addressing. So, we're addressing the
weight loss, but we're not addressing
like what started this to begin with.
Um, and so very often they'll lose the
weight and they're like, "Okay, my
life's going to be amazing now." But
then they realize like, "No, all my
trauma is still there or, you know, my
wife still hates me or my kids don't
talk to me or I still have no friends or
I'm still miserable and unhappy or I
still have crazy body dysmorphia." And
then sometimes they'll turn to alcohol
or drugs instead, right? Cuz food is not
the vice anymore cuz they can't eat
because of the surgery. So they'll start
using substances or other
self-destructive behaviors.
>> Yeah. And then it turns into depression
and suicidality and also health
complications come up very often from
these surgeries. And so their life is
impacted in a negative way and they're
like, "Wait, my life is never going to
get better." And so that increases that
depression and the suicidality. And so
again, like these are quick fixes like
you were saying. It's like great, the
weight comes off, but like are we really
addressing your lifestyle choices, your
health? And again, when I say health, I
don't even think about like salad and
exercise. I think about like the people
that you surround yourself with. Your
connection to your community, your
connection to if you're religious, do
you like being a from Jew? Do you like
your rabbi? What was your childhood like
in school? Did your rebi slap you in the
face and you feel so angry about it
still? Or do you did you heal that? Are
you connected to your religion? And and
are you living the way you want to? And
are you sending your kids to a school
that matches your hashkafa? Do you feel
like you're being like a true and again
doesn't mean you're a perfect halically
observant completely all the way you
never do anything wrong kind of Jew but
meaning are you doing your best and do
you feel proud of who you are this is
health you know are you happy in your
relationships what's your relationship
like with your family and if it's not
good are you taking care of yourself I
think health is so multifaceted and I
feel like it stinks that we really
boiled it down to like what do you weigh
and what do you eat right
>> those are two like tiny factors and
again with GLP you're not eating very
much and you're not weighing very much
but again we still have people who are
so unhappy so what are we doing you know
>> maybe it's not maybe it's not about the
weight
>> it's it's probably not about the weight
you know again sometimes that's one
piece of it one tiny piece of it but
when that goes away then yes very often
people look and they're like well I'm
still not married or I'm still unhappy
or I'm still you know and so that's why
I say like we really need to be looking
at like what are you trying to heal
when you're saying I need to drop 50 lb
you know
>> and I don't know if that can be healed
by weight loss necessarily you know
>> how how do how though do we stay cons
like you know there is this movement I
feel like in in the world about body
positivity
and you know
which some people on political right
might call just you're promoting
unhealthy behavior right you understand
I'm saying like
>> so so where where do you draw the line
between between like okay there are
bodies come in all shapes and sizes and
that's good versus like
>> yeah but that's not healthy behavior and
>> right so the body positivity movement
all that was about all that is about is
just like people deserve to feel
comfortable in their skin that's all it
was it wasn't like everybody should eat
whatever they want and everybody should
be fat like we're not saying that and
also I it was interesting when people
would say that to me because I do talk a
lot about that when I would talk about
people deserving to just feel
comfortable in their skin. People would
say like, "Well, why are you promoting
like obesity?" And I would say like, "Do
you think anyone is looking at someone
in a bigger body, let's say, and saying
like, "Yeah, you know what? I think I'm
going to gain 150 lbs." No one's saying
that, you know, but we're saying that
everyone deserves to just feel
comfortable in their skin. I happen to
believe more in just body neutrality.
You don't need to like love yourself and
feel fabulous and like walk around and
think you're the, you know, the toast,
the it, whatever. But I do think that
you just deserve to just not have to
think about your body at all. Not have
to worry about it. Not worry if clothes
are going to fit you. Not worry that
doctors are going to be mean to you
because you look a certain way. Not
worry that you're not going to get set
up on dates because you are a certain
weight. Not worry that, you know, people
are going to treat you differently. You
won't get the job. We know that people
that are in bigger bodies are actually
hired less than people in smaller
bodies. Actually,
>> yeah, they have statistics on that. I
mean, it's also like for good-looking
people also, they're more likely to get
hired even if they're not as qualified.
We live in a very visual culture. We
live in a culture that's obsessed with
beauty and we think or thinness also and
we think that that makes you a better
person. Like you must be smart because
you're skinny and it's like you might be
a total doofus and you know and the guy
that's bigger is like amazing and could
bring your company to god knows what,
you know, but I think people are just
more biased to that because we've been
taught that when you look a certain way,
we give attributes to that. So you must
be smarter, you must be more savvy, you
must be, you know, kinder, you must be
So we have a bias in that way. Um, so I
think that when I when body positivity
is a wonderful thing, but again, I kind
of advocate for just body neutrality.
You don't have to feel good about your
body, but we don't want you to feel bad
about it because if you do feel bad
about you're less likely to get out of
bed, take a walk, go out and socialize,
right? We know that being social is a
huge piece of people's health, right?
People who are social and and go out in
the community live longer. We know
people that are part of communities have
a better a longer lifespan. There's
actually a Harvard study. It's I think
it's like a 100 years old. Harvard,
whatever. We don't really like them so
much anymore, but it's the study itself
is actually fascinating. I think it's
about a hundred years that they were
following hundreds of people and then it
expanded to thousands of people because
they originally had this like group of
people they were following for about
like 75 80 years and then they started
following like their kids and they
wanted to see like what is the secret to
longevity? How do people live longer?
Right? What's the what's the secret
sauce? And they found that it wasn't
about diet, exercise, you know, whether
you smoke or drink, which again, these
are all things that we should be, you
know, we should be eating in a way that
is good for our bodies. we should
exercise, we shouldn't smoke or drink.
But they found that it was actually the
quality of people's relationships that
determines how happy and how long they
lived. Um, and we know there's research
that people who are married live longer
and men especially. Um, again, even if
you're not married, you can still have a
long, beautiful life, but they found
that men had like a marked increase in
how long they lived um when they were
married more so than women, which makes
sense because your wife is like go to
the doctor, you know, did you did you
get to the gym, get to sleep, right?
she's more going to like she's kind of
taking care of things and she's on top
of things and men are more likely to
care about themselves when they have a
partner or children. Um, so we know that
that really the the marker of like what
helps people to be healthy and live
longer is is social connections, you
know. So, I think that we're like
forgetting that and and something that
worries me about the GLP stuff and and
just weight loss and and dieting in
general is that what happens when you're
not eating? you don't want to go
anywhere. We're going out to dinner for
whoever's birthday. Do you want to come?
I can't. I'm on a diet or like I can't
eat anything or you know like I'm not
going to be I can't drink. I can't. So
people don't want to go out anymore. And
so we're reducing social connectedness.
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I I imagine there's going to be there's
going to be unfortunately a lot of
really messed up kids that are exposed
to their parents saying, "Oh, we can't
go out to eat. Aba took the shot." Or,
"Oh, I can't eat. I'm on the Zmpic and
this and that." It's just like that's a
really crazy thing probably for our
kids' mind to to digest. It's just I
think it's just confusing to watch
somebody willingly like again if we saw
someone with an eating disorder let's
say anorexia nervosa right where they're
severely restricting their food and
restricting their food and there's
health consequences to that and we're
scared and let's say there's someone who
very underweight because of the anorexia
right that we're looking at them and
we're like oh my god this is terrible
>> we would be scared for them stop you
have to eat you have to eat but for
someone who let's say is at a weight
that we think that they need to lose
weight we're like praising those same
behaviors is that they're restricting,
they're barely eating, they're dropping
tons of weight. We're like, "Yes, you
look incredible. Amazing." And so our
kids are hearing that when you're
complimenting, "Oh, how much did you
drop? Under 150 lbs. That's crazy. Wow."
And our kids like, "Oh, okay. So that's
a good thing to lose weight." So, and
again, I find this a lot in my work that
very often if kids want to be good at
something, they want to be seen, they
want to be recognized, that can trigger
the eating disorder, right? That can
trigger that dysfunctional relationship
with food. Well, if I'm not good at
anything because I feel like a failure
in my life. Maybe not because of
anything that is going on in my home
necessarily, but maybe I just have my
own anxiety and stress. I stink at
everything. I have no friends, maybe I
can be really good at weight loss, so
let me do that. Let me starve myself.
It's going to start out with like, "Mom,
I'm vegan." And then it's going to start
out with like, "I just want to be like
healthy, like I'm going to the gym." And
then it's going to be like, "Ah, I think
I'm um celiac, you know? I think I'm
gluten-free now, right?" And so parents
might be like, "Oh, yeah. Yeah,
gluten-ree. Yeah, I heard gluten's bad
for you. Oh, he's vegan. Wow, he really
cares about the animals. So, we kind of
like start ignoring that. But these
might actually be signs of like
something going on here with your kid.
Um, so we just have to be careful
complimenting weight loss. I say just
don't do it. You know, even if we're
like, but he worked so hard and oh, but
she I know her whole life she struggled.
So, just say like, "Hey, so good to see
you. Love your hair. That shirt is great
on you." Like let's just say anything
other than like body compliments because
yeah kids
>> which is probably the number one
compliment people get
>> always and what I always find
interesting is like sometimes people
will be like did you lose weight when
the person clearly did not you know and
it's like why are you saying that we
could we could find any other convers
just be like hey what's up did you get a
tan like say that why did you lose
weight you know I once had a friend who
was like I actually gained 15 pounds
like why are you saying that
>> I once gained some weight and like
someone came like you different. You
lose weight. I'm like
>> opposite.
>> Nope.
>> Ei other way. But I find that people
will do that just as a conversation
piece. Like you lost weight, right? And
it's like why does that have to be just
say anything else? Haven't seen you in a
while. What did you do this summer? How
are the kids? How was work? There's so
much more to talk about. But I feel like
that's like our default. And I find that
every I don't want my friends who are
watching this be like, "Oh, we can't
talk about this anymore." But every
shabas table, every yansf table, every
every conversation is like always going
back to weight and food and doctor said
I got to lose weight. Oh man, the
barmits was coming back. I got
>> the diet starts tomorrow.
>> Yeah, diet starts tomorrow. But I got to
lose weight. The barmits was coming up.
Oh, did you see did you see her? She
lost so much weight for the wedding. Oh,
the wedding is coming, guys. When when
are we starting the diet? Family diet
fit into the dress?
>> Is this a Jew? Is this a Jew is this
like a Jewish problem? Like is this
something that plagues the Jewish
community more than society at large? So
it's interesting that a lot of there's
not a lot of research. Um but what
research does exist?
>> We have research on everything. We don't
have research on this. You see like the
USA like they're doing research on India
stuff.
>> So the Jewish community is hard. It's
hard to collect research because a we
don't really want to talk.
>> B we're not so much aware, right? It's
like people don't know. And C stigma. I
don't want to talk about an eating
disorder. Like how am I people are going
to think we're messed up. I don't want
to talk about it in our community.
People are going to think our
communities like they want to stay away
from it. So no one really wants to talk
about it. So it's hard to collect data
in the Jewish community. But what we do
know is that it seems like from the the
little bit of data that we do have that
there's actually so if like in the
general population disordered eating
let's say which is not an eating
disorder per se but it's a bad
relationship with food and bodies is
double the national average. So it's
like one in six in the general
population and the Jewish population
it's one in three.
>> Wow. And you consider what we're
discussing a GLP1 stuff like that like
you consider that a a disordered eating.
>> I mean I
>> unless it's unless it's like someone's a
diabetic or
>> right I mean it depends. I I would say
that disordered eating is very much
involved in GLP because you're starving
and you're not eating you know and
certain foods like you stay away from
and it probably fosters a disordered
eating relationship.
>> Um but I don't I I don't I wouldn't like
diagnose in that way. Um, but I would
just say that probably someone who has a
poor relationship with food in their
body is going to go on a GLP1 because
they're like the food noise I can't like
it doesn't stop. I can't stop thinking
about it. It's all day long. And again,
valid. Like I'm not going to say that's
not true and I'm not going to say don't
go on a GLP because of food noise.
Again, I'm not here to say any of that.
If anyone wants to go on it, please.
Like I don't want I I remember
>> just don't talk about it.
>> Yeah. No, no, you can. You could talk
about it, but I would say maybe don't
talk about it in front of your kids.
They don't need to know. And and again,
even if they notice,
>> even for friends, though, like imagine
like you're in a group of friends and
someone everyone looks different and
you're talking about it. It's just like
I don't know. I I agree with what you
said. Just like don't talk about weight.
>> Don't talk about it. And again, if your
your kids notice like, "Oh, daddy, you
look different." Just say, "You know
what? I'm just trying to take care of my
health." You don't have to be like,
"Well, I'm injecting myself weekly with
this GLP1. Do you know what that is?"
>> Kids don't need to know. And I know
sometimes people are like, "Well, is
that lying to them?" And I say, "No,
it's protecting them. You don't need to
talk about your body with your kids. You
don't need to talk about your weight
loss and your health. Again, unless it's
directly affecting them, meaning if
there's a terminal illness, please tell
your children. But if you're on a GLP1,
they don't need to know.
>> So, what do we do about um cuz now you
you can't really open up a Jewish
magazine without being hit with at least
three um full page ads about skinny
shots, ompic mangaro, all that stuff. We
have meaningful minute. We took the
position to not take those ads. like I I
don't think it's it just didn't feel
right. So, we don't take those ads, but
you open up these publications and
they're there and kids can get their
hands on this and they see it. So, it's
really seeped into our world in a in a
seemingly permanent way. It's not like,
you know, a fly by night. Like, people
are making money off of this, which is
great, but it's being it's in our
publications.
I can't imagine you're a fan of of that
being mainstreamed in that way. I mean,
it definitely worries me because again,
I think that it there are vulnerable
people out there who maybe shouldn't be
on it. Um, and again, kids who are
seeing this that it's it worries me. I
also do believe that everybody has the
right to decide if they want to go on it
or not. But yes, I do think we need to
look at from the community standpoint
like there's a problem, you know, that
people who, let's say, only have only
want to lose about 10 lbs are like going
on this and and we don't know the
long-term effects. And again, I wonder
what it says to I'm not even kids. Yes,
it's important, but I'm also thinking
about adults, you know, like what is it
doing to us to constantly be chasing,
obsessing, putting things in our body
that
>> what are you really chasing? Like what
are they chasing? If they're chasing if
they're trying to lose the weight
because they're trying to get validation
and and friendship, like you're not
chasing losing weight. You're chasing
something else that you're not
necessarily going to achieve if they're
losing the weight,
>> right? I always say like the the need to
lose weight, the desire to lose weight,
there's usually something deeper
underneath. There's some emotional
something underneath. And and I know,
you know, I've seen also where let's say
someone will say that their spouse is
complaining, their partner is
complaining like, oh, you know, I want
you to lose weight. And again, I
understand that's very painful to hear
if a partner is saying that to their
wife or their husband like, I want you
to lose weight. I'm not attracted to
you. It's usually not about that. Again,
there's something deeper going on.
There's a disrespect. There's a
disconnect. there's a something missing
there that weight loss is not going to
help. But I know that very often people
think, well, if I lose weight, then
she'll be interested in me again or
he'll love me again. Um, and that
doesn't always happen. I I think about
um they just had this documentary on
Netflix about the show Biggest Loser. Do
you remember this show?
>> Yeah, I brought it up in my interview
with Eric Adams.
>> So, it was this Oh, really? So the
biggest loser was this show where people
who were in really at really high
weights went on the show and
>> like at like 600 500 lb
>> really big and we were all cheering for
them like yay starve yourself work out
for 8 hours a day throw up have a heart
attack lose weight on camera right and
like have your trainer abuse you and
like be disgusting to you and eat like
400 calories a day like literally less
than they ate in the Holocaust and like
yay but you're skinny like this was the
show right so we all watched it and we
thought it was fantastic TV but so this
documentary is talking about like how
damaging and traumatic it was to these
people mentally, physically, whatever it
is. And one of the women on the show,
spoiler here, if you watch it, don't
watch it, but one of the women on the
show was saying that she went to the
Biggest Loser campus to try to lose
weight. And she said part of why she
wanted to go was her marriage was
falling apart. She was in this bigger
body. Her husband was just like
perpetually like not loyal to her. Um
disinterested, not around. And she
thought, well, if I go and I like lose
weight and I like take care of myself,
like he'll he'll stop doing what he's
doing and like I'll fix our marriage.
And she ended up losing weight and she
went back home and she says in this
documentary like her marriage fell apart
and she realized it wasn't about her. It
was that the marriage was really doomed
from the beginning. And very often we'll
see this that people realize like once
they lose weight like the problems were
always there or sometimes I even see the
opposite that someone's in a bigger body
and then they and their life is like you
know it seems fine or whatever it is and
then they lose weight and like all of a
sudden they start like acting out they
up and leave their family or they're you
know drinking suddenly or doing all
kinds of crazy things that were like
whoa like what happened to you know um
so it's not always the answer and again
I'm not against anyone trying to lose
weight but I do say like please just
think about like What do you think
that's going to bring you? And is it
possible to get those things without
doing something so drastic? You know,
and it could it be that you just Yeah,
maybe get yourself to therapy and maybe
yeah, go to the gym or go outside and
walk or Yeah, maybe you meet with a
dietitian and address your relationship
with food. Um, but I think that we we
live in a time certainly now with social
media where it's like quick fix. I just
want now now. And nobody has the
patience to wait for anything. You know,
even in my practice, like as a
therapist, like people will sometimes
call me up and, you know, they want help
and they're like, "Well, how long until
I feel better?" Like when how many
sessions do you think? Like, and then
like all my problems will be solved. And
I'm like,
>> "I wish it was that easy." Like, I wish
I could just tell you, "No, three
sessions, like it's all good with your
mother-in-law." Like, but that's not how
it works, you know?
>> Um, but people just want to like feel
better immediately. Um, and there's a
lot of promises online about that, and
there's a lot of promises with GLP1
about that. like all the ads are like
this stunning like beautiful person and
like the wind flowing through their hair
and this happy couple holding hands and
you're like, "Oh, that's going to be
me." But it's it's not necessarily. So,
I think that's something like we need to
really be addressing. Again, you want to
lose weight with the GLP1, fine. But I
do encourage people to think about like
what else is going on that might be the
root of the problem and thinking about
the effects that Yeah. If you have
little people watching, how are you
going to explain that to them? And then
would you want them to do the same or
feel the same or go through life that
way? You know,
>> do you find um I guess closing the
parentheses a little bit on on the food
stuff in general in your practice um as
being being a therapist, what is I guess
the biggest uptick or people coming to
you like what's the reason people are
coming starting therapy in 2025?
So, I know you'll be shocked when I say
this. Anxiety.
>> People are riddled riddled with anxiety.
Um, and
>> define that though. Everyone hears the
word anxiety. And I find that
>> someone brought my wife brought this up
the other day. She's like, "It's not
fair because sometimes we had a shock in
here today and she said, you know,
sometimes there's uh there's things that
need to be spoken about. The person
could have anxiety or depression,
bipolar disorder." I'm like I feel like
it's not fair to mention anxiety with
bipolar disorder and you know it's like
everyone has some anxiety I feel like
it's it's a it's like a
>> there's like a so there listen we all
have anxiety meaning anxiety is actually
something good that we have right so if
I have anxiety in a healthy way so if I
have a test coming up my anxiety is
going to make me study right if I have
anxiety about like I don't want to you
know get hit by a car I'm going to look
and right so anxiety can be helpful when
I say anxiety as a problem I mean that
it's not just about I have a test or I
have a game coming up so I got to
practice anxiety about things that I
don't really have any cause to be
worried about. So I'm scared the
Holocaust is coming again. And again, we
could argue maybe people do have cause
to think that, but we don't necessarily
have, you know, the world is scary right
now and there's a lot of anti-semitism,
but there are people that literally are
like storing money away under their
mattresses and like renewing passports
and acting like there's going to be, you
know, another holocaust. And so things
like that or just again even I'm scared
that every minute of the day that like
somebody's going to die. Meaning not
just it's in the back of my head and I
could ignore it but I'm scared that my
kids are dead every minute of the day so
I have to obsessively check on that
>> like
>> things like Yeah. extreme anxiety about
that kind of stuff. Yeah. And and
sometimes it turns into obsessing about
things and again sometimes when we can't
control our anxiety then we say okay so
I can control what I eat. I can control
my body. I can control you know other
things. the cleanliness of my house. I
can control what my kids do. I can
control my partner
>> to manifest in different ways.
>> Yeah. So, it's it anxiety as a problem.
It's how much is it impacting your daily
functioning. That's when we say anxiety
that you come to a therapist. Not just
like I get nervous here and there, but I
could ignore it. Or like yeah, sometimes
I like think about things that scare me.
But like for overall I can function.
It's fine. I know it's crazy and it
doesn't bother me. I'm talking about
people that really can't function
because it's forefront. It's front and
center in their in their lives and it's
impacting their daily living, their
relationships, their parenting, their
marriages, whatever it is, their ability
to function at work, their ability to
get to work. I can't get on the train
cuz I'm scared there's going to be a mom
on the train or I'm scared that, you
know, something's going to happen to me,
right?
>> So, things like that. But, I think that
anxiety is really it's it's prevalent
now. Um, I think that definitely a part
of it is being plugged in all the time,
right? that we just have this device in
our hands that's always pinging dinging
bad news rocket alarms you know from
Israel the next you know some guy got
beat up in a shul in wherever and like
this is you know first of all it's in
our DNA to be anxious anyway as Jews
right we're always scared like who's the
next like when what country are we
getting kicked out of next right like
it's our inherited trauma you know
that's why we all have bad stomachs and
all that right
>> oh is that why
>> that's what they say you know that yeah
that we have it's the Jewish stomach.
It's a thing, right? That
>> was just Ashkanazi Jews.
>> Ashkenazm, but doesn't that make sense?
Europe, you know, right?
>> Definitely Spartum I think have stronger
stomachs. But yeah,
>> I just find it interesting that like the
word anxiety pro like 20 years ago was
not a thing. Like
>> no one spoke about it,
>> but it was there, but no one spoke about
it. No one spoke about it. And
>> you know what it used to be called at
least for kids? ADHD. Every kid was
diagnosed as ADHD cuz he can't sit
still. And in kids, anxiety looks a lot
like ADHD. They can't focus. They can't
sit still. They're all over the place.
They're they're it looks like they're
like getting up, getting down, getting
up. But if you think about it, when
you're anxious, you pace, you're
nervous. Your thoughts are running.
You're, you know, so kids were
misdiagnosed very often. Um, still to
this day, I still will, you know,
encounter some kids that it's like, oh,
the teacher says he has ADHD or she has
ADHD and it turns out it's really
anxiety, you know. How do you how do you
like
what's the uh the process in diagnosing
someone with anxiety? Like it's not like
oh there we see it on the graph like
what makes you diagnose someone with
such a thing?
>> So it's through talking to people you
know like tell me just about like your
daily life like what's going on like how
do you sleep at night? What are some
things that you like to do? What do you
think about how are things at home?
What's going on at home? Certainly with
a kid definitely like you know if
there's stress or tension at home with a
sibling or even with the parents if the
parents relationship isn't so great if
finances are rough and even if parents
think their kids don't know I always
tell parents like your kids know they
know like don't there you really can't
hide anything you know and even if you
think like oh but we had the
conversation in the basement when they
were sleeping kids hear they see they
know I find all the time I'll say to my
kids like how did you know that you know
like where did and they're like hello
like you're a therapist do you know that
we hear
Um, so definitely like kids are
listening and hearing. So yes, knowing
what's going on in the home, how are
they functioning in the classroom, do
they have friends, like we just look at
those things. We try to figure out their
daily functioning, you know, and their
thought process. And very often what I
find is like all the the sign to me is
usually kids have trouble sleeping. So
it'll be like, you know, there's a
branch tapping the window every night
outside my window, but I feel like it's
a robber coming in the house and they're
going to kill me. Or, you know, I'm
scared that when my parents go out for
the school dinner, I'm scared like I
hear hatal and I think they died. These
are like the most common things. Yeah.
And kids, they think about this stuff,
you know. I'm scared I'm going to get
sick. Every day I'm scared I'm going to
get sick or I'm scared when I am sick,
I'm going to be in the hospital and then
I'm going to die, you know. So, and
sometimes this comes from they saw a
grandparent who was sick and died
suddenly or maybe they know someone or
again just living in this world
>> who doesn't have anxiety like
>> that's what I'm saying. It's really
everyone
>> it's really getting out of control. I
mean listen again there are people that
have anxiety that's
>> that's intense but they manage it like
how you're looking at it right here.
Like I manage it. Um and it's kind of
background noise in my head now but like
it's there you know. And so some people
you would never know. You're like oh but
you're so chill or you have it together.
And so you really don't know. And that's
why I say also people you can't look at
someone and you're like oh you have
anxiety. It's usually the people that
are like chill, easygoing, nothing
bothers them. Those are actually the
people that are probably the most
anxious because they have to come off
that way because I want you to like me.
I don't want to upset you. I want
everyone to be happy. So, I'm just going
to be like, "Yeah, I'm I'm chill. It's
good. I'm easygoing." Meanwhile, I'm not
easygoing. I'm uptight. I'm crazy.
Everything bothers me. I obsess about
everything. Right? So, that's what might
be happening. But, I think I think
anxiety is the most common thing that
I'm seeing. Again, anxiety that's really
tough for people to manage and that's
getting in the way of their functioning.
Um, but also just again relationships,
you know, and and I think that people
are having a hard time learning to
connect with people. They're are having
a hard time managing their
relationships. Um, I think definitely
we're seeing more of it because people
for sure like postcoid when we were, you
know, locked in our houses for 2 years
and then when we were not locked in our
houses, we had masks on and then we had
plastic separating us. So definitely I
see social issues with kids for sure who
lost time socializing. But even adults
like we forgot we forgot how to
socialize. We forgot how to like be out
in public with people. We were always on
devices. I I heard a therapist once
saying, she's a famous therapist, Esther
Pel. She said like you can have 50,000
friends on social media, but you have
nobody to babysit your cat. We have all
these artificial connections, but no
real meaningful connections. And I think
that contributes to anxiety. I do think
that the Jewish community, we have a lot
of like protective factors in that we
have shul every week, you know, we have
Yantiff, so we have so much opportunity
and because we're very community- based,
we do have a lot of opportunity to
socialize and shabas, right? Thank God
that we have to be off a device and then
we have to sit at a table with family
and we have to connect with people. But
we're still seeing a lot of that
disconnect from people and isolation and
loneliness and that contributes to
anxiety. You know,
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>> I can't imagine
what what it would be like without
Chaveis. Just how 24/7 I am during the
week. Like I can't imagine not having
that one day.
>> Yeah.
>> And that's kind of how the world lives.
>> Yeah. So Jonathan Hate, he wrote that
book, The Anxious Generation. He's a
he's big in the news now cuz he's the
one that's actually pushing a lot of
like getting cell phones out of high
schools. So he he's not Jewish. Um he's
a psychologist at NYU. And he says like
he he admires the Jewish community for
Shabas. He says like it's unbelievable
that like for that 24 hours parents,
kids, everybody has to get off a device.
They disconnect but they connect, you
know.
>> Um and I think Shabas is really like a
lifesaver that if we didn't have it,
imagine imagine you didn't have to be
off your device. We It's impossible to
get it out of your hands, right? We're
always working. We're always doing.
We're always I'm guilty of it. It's
really hard. And that's why like I
always say like even if like you know
God willing one day I make aliyah like I
think I might want to like still keep
two days right cuz like then I'm off a
device. It's it's so good for us to have
that time where we're disconnected
because we live in a time we where we're
so connected all the time and we're so
disconnected. We're so overstimulated
and we're so numb, you know? We're so
informed and we're so like overwhelmed
and clueless and like we don't know we
don't know what's going on in the world,
you know? So, it's like we need to have
that time where like we're just with
people face to face in the same room,
you know, touch grass. Like we're
outside, we're walking to shul, we're
seeing people. Even if you don't go to
shul, I have company over or, you know,
I'm I'm sitting outside and I'm getting
fresh air and I'm in the world, you
know.
>> Yeah. Something I'm really proud of that
we did recently. Not recently. I mean,
unfortunately, what happened to Charlie
Kirk was was awful, tragic. Um,
afterwards, someone on my team
identified a video of him talking about
Chabas, and we we cut it and made into a
little little bit of a video, and we
posted on Instagram and Tik Tok, and it
has 6 and a half million views on each
platform.
>> Wow.
>> And it led to like again 13 million
people saw it. And we saw a lot of
people um react to the video who were
not who were Jewish not keeping Shabas
start keeping Shabas. And even people
who are not Jewish take on this idea of
just shutting down, right,
>> for for 24 hours Sabbath.
>> We're not we're not like, you know,
advising people who aren't Jewish to
keep Shabas, but like disconnect. Yeah.
Disconnect from the phone especially.
Yeah.
>> It's it's like very healthy.
>> Um but I want to ask you back on the
anxiety thing for a second.
>> At what point for for those listening,
this might be a question they have. At
what point do they know okay um now I
have to go to a therapist because this
is where I'm at with the anxiety like
solve X like what is that place versus
it's regular you know
>> so I say when it's impacting your life
to the point where you feel like you
cannot manage it anymore
>> isn't too late though
>> not necessarily because again it depends
like where you cannot manage it anymore
could look terrible or it could just be
like I can't stop thinking about this
and it keeps me up at night and I'm not
sleeping Well, and it's affecting my
appetite. Not necessarily like, you
know, I'm crying every day, that's
already a pretty bad point. But if
you're having sleep disturbances and
again, you notice during the day, like I
can't control my thoughts. Like I I just
can't. It's it's non-stop and it's it's
upsetting me, you know, and even talking
to my friends or talking to my partner
or talking to, you know, my mom or it's
not helping me. That's where I say like
then maybe a professional and even
thinking about psychiatric medication.
if therapy I say try therapy first and
then sometimes you know you'll tack on
medication if needed but like go and
talk to a therapist and and say here's
what's going on with me like I can't
seem to get it under control. I think
most people will have a sense of when
it's really a problem. For some people
they live that way their whole lives so
they're like oh this isn't normal you
know. Um but that's why I think also if
you have a friends or a loved one that
you feel like they're so stressed out
like you can say in a loving way like
I'm nervous I'm worried about you.
you're obsessing about this all the time
or you're always worrying about it or
you repeat the same question 8 million
times to me. You asked me that already
or you said that already, maybe you
should think about talking to someone,
right? And again, in a sensitive way,
not in like what's wrong with you? See a
therapist, right? Like we want to be
sensitive, then I think you can do that,
too. So, if you see someone that you're
worried about them, suggest it, you
know? Um, but I would say yes, if it's
to a point where you feel like I can't
like I just can't do this. I like I'm
trying everything. I'm doing the yoga.
I'm I'm going outside and getting fresh
air. I you know, but it's not working. I
would say then reach out to that
therapist and see if talking and and
maybe, you know, like I said, somewhere
along the way, medication is what you
need.
>> That that alone could be a very daunting
task for someone to do.
>> Yes.
>> Is there anything that you can say that
can pop that scary balloon in their head
about that process
>> of reaching out? All they all they know
about therapy and therapists is what
they see probably on Netflix or what
they read in family first mishbaka about
the therapist who went rogue and told
all the secrets to the which is you know
serial probably it's not you know and I
love mishbah I'm just made that up it
could have been anything but any
magazine yeah you know what I'm saying
like there's this
>> there is right there is a stigma for
sure I do find here's like the plus of
social media if you're on social media I
think that following a therapist on
social media is a great way to like get
rid of that stigma and that fear of
like, oh, okay, I like what that person
posts. I like what they say. It
resonates with me. They don't seem so
scary. She seems pretty like easygoing.
I like their approach to things. I think
social media is a good piece. Definitely
in publications. So, if you read a local
paper or a Mishbaha magazine or whatever
and you like their writing, reaching out
to them that way. I say email is like a
great way to make first contact. And you
could even say like, "I'm so nervous.
like I've never done this before, but
you know, I'm thinking about starting
therapy. Um, and I think like you would
be surprised like we're not scary
therapists. Like we won't bite your head
off. Like we're happy to help, you know,
and if if we're available, obviously,
and and have openings. But I think just
maybe taking the a little bit of the
fear away through, like I said, through
reading materials that they put out
there. And and thankfully in the Jewish
community, we really do have so much
now. It used to be back in the day, I
say this all the time, used to be back
in the day, might even be like I'm older
than you, but even when you were a kid,
like the only people who saw a therapist
were like the bad kids, like the kids
who couldn't behave in class, you know,
>> the kids who like the nurse would come
to the door and be like, "I need to see
Rakani
again, the therapist, right?" We were
like, "Oh god, like it was for the
problem kid." And I find it's shifted so
much that I'll have like when I when I
worked a lot with like high school kids,
it would be like they would be trading
therapist names at lunch and if you
didn't have a therapist, they were like,
"Oh my god." Like
curious, right? More modern orthodox for
sure. But I find that even in more like
yeshivish circles, it's it's changing
that.
>> Are you seeing more resistance though in
the modern Orthodox versus Yeshivish uh
communities in terms of the the advances
in this area? Like is there more
resistance openness?
>> Is there more resistance? Yeah. Is there
more of a stigma in the in the yeshivish
homes?
>> So yeshivish people are definitely in
therapy. Maybe they're not as open about
it. They're definitely andish. They're
they're they love therapy. They're in
it. They may not be talking about it so
much. I find in the modern orthodox
world it's literally like a normal part
of your conversation. Oh, my therapist
said I have therapy so I could come
afterwards, you know? Oh, who's your
therapist? And again, like I said, I
feel like a lot of teenagers feel bad
when they find out that their friend
doesn't have a therapist. They're like,
"Oh my god, oh, I have therapy." It It's
really like part of their conversation,
which I think is so beautiful. I
remember years ago, I had a client, like
a young kid. She was my my um client,
and whenever I would like be around her
school, she would like run up to me and
hug me and be like, "This is my
therapist." And again, it was credit to
her mom who was like, "There is no
shame. Like, we're so h like therapy is
a good thing in our house." Um, but I
remember even her friends were like,
"Oh, your the like they were so excited
like, oh, my therapist doesn't come to
the school." So, it's definitely
different in some circles. Again, I
think it's how we talk about it. I wish
we just made it more normal to go to
therapy. Like, why is it norm not normal
to get help and it's normal to like be
dysfunctional? Why are we answer that
for you?
>> You know, what does he want to say?
>> I don't know.
>> What does he want to say?
>> Yes. But again,
>> yes, but again, I wonder why aren't we
at the point where it's like when we
hear someone's in therapy that we're
like, okay, good. Thank God. Why is
that?
>> Yeah, but unfortunately unfortunately
it's just like you're you're you're
responding with common sense,
>> right?
>> To something that is the whole like
there's a lot of questions on on this
stuff. I don't know what you're saying
is right. Unfortunately, it's just
>> right. I hope we'll get there. I do find
that again certainly in the modern
orthodox world where we have rabbis like
Rabbi Liuititz who like is encouraging
premarital counseling for couples to
start normalizing this and not because
the couple's engage and they have
problems but because let's get a couple
in contact with a therapist so that
inevitably down the line when your
marriage hits a bump cuz it will all
marriages do even the best most
beautiful ones have hard knocks you know
because life happens unexpected
tragedies difficulties finances whatever
kids it happens let's show, let's take
away the stigma. You already sat in a
therapist room. You saw how fine it is.
Like it was okay for you and now you
know that person. So if you have an
issue, you can reach out. So we're going
to start normalizing that for sure in
this world, um the more, you know, the
more modern orthodox world, um the YU
world. I'm hoping that that will trickle
down. Again, I've seen Yeshivish and
people in my office, you know, um so
it's not like it doesn't exist. And
again, I know that there are some people
in theish world that like are very open
about therapy and love it and talk about
it. So, I think it's individual, you
know, more than community, let's say,
but we definitely have our hurdles. We
have a way to go. Um, but I think that
talking about it, normalizing it,
showing the benefit of it even, you
know, that people are saying like, "Wow,
you guys are doing so well, like what,
you know, or your kid is doing great.
Like, you a few years ago he was really
struggling. Yeah, I took him to
therapist and like thank God, you know.
>> Would you say that someone who goes
through therapy as a teenager
pre-marriage is more likely to have a
better marriage and less likely to get
divorced as opposed to someone who did
not?
>> If they have a good therapist and they
work on and assuming those issues are
addressed, meaning like if it's some
kind of like family things, they work on
communication skills. It's possible. I
do want to say that just because
someone's in therapy doesn't mean that
they're actually doing work, right? So,
like I've heard people be like, "Oh,
he's in therapy or she's in therapy."
And it's like, "Okay, like
>> right
>> that doesn't mean anything. He walks in
the room like some just because someone
goes to sh doesn't mean they're
>> I went to the gym and I stared at the
weights." Like that doesn't mean you're
doing the work, right? Like, yeah, you
went to sh like so what? So being in
therapy doesn't necessarily mean that
any real work is being done. So
definitely with a grain of salt, like if
someone's like, "Yeah, I go to therapy."
Okay, but like am I seeing that there's
actual work being done here? that like
you are working on yourself and again
that you're going and not painting other
people as the problem but like wanting
to know like what work do I need to do?
How did things in my life affect me? I'm
not a victim anymore. I'm not blaming my
parents for things. I'm not here to rail
on them and be like my mom was so mean.
Even if your mom was so mean, let's talk
about now what does that mean for you
and your life? We're not going to be
harping on your mother anymore. we're
going to be talking about like what are
we doing for you, for your life now and
and your relationships that we heal that
part that we don't repeat those
patterns. So, I think people definitely
therapy is great, but again, like what
does that mean you're in therapy? Like,
what work are you doing? And that's why
I say like if you're dating someone
that's in therapy, right, that they say,
"Oh, you know, he has anxiety, but he's
in therapy." Okay, great. I want to talk
to him about like what do you do in
therapy? like what does your therapist
work on and where is the anxiety from
and like how are you dealing with it and
like we want to know that there's an
actual like process of work going on
there cuz yeah it's not and there are
therapists that like you just go in the
room and not much is happening.
>> Yeah. I mean there it's important to
note that there are just like there are
bad doctors and there are bad teachers
and there are bad therapists.
>> Yeah. Yes. Not all therapists are good
some are downright dangerous. Um, and
that's why I say do your research also
like get referrals, ask your rabbi, ask
your doctor, ask your friends. That's
why these conversations being open is
actually good because if you say, "Oh, I
sent my kid to this therapist. She was
amazing for her." Or, "I went to this
therapist. He was amazing." This is
helpful for people.
>> The more we operate in in darkness, the
the more scary it is.
>> Yes.
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back this episode and I think like
there's still big parts of our of our
community that are operating in darkness
when it comes to these things and and
the needle has moved a lot. We've moved
in a place from people not going to
therapy to now going but they're quiet
about it. But I think a big part of it
is so important that they talk about it.
You know, I think Dr. Dr. Ki Pearlman
told me that when he opened up his
practice uh this clinic in Williamsburg
in the heart of the Kish community over
there. Um
he made one waiting room
and he was told no you really should
make separate ones because more people
he's like no if we're doing this we're
doing it the right way. People are going
to come and part of the therapy in a way
is they're going to sit there and
they're going to see other people are
also there and that is fine.
>> Yeah
>> that is fine. I remember years ago I
struggled with infertility after I had
my first and I remember I was in a
fertility clinic to like I was trying to
have my second child and I remember
feeling I was 20some at the time and I
was like oh my god I'm so embarrassed
that I'm here. What if I see someone?
What if I see someone? And then I
remember checking myself and saying if I
see someone they're here for the same
reason. We're in this together.
>> They're not coming to like drop off.
>> Yeah. They're not like coming to see
who's there you know. So I was like, if
I see someone to come in and take a
notepad,
>> okay, Rachel Tuckman was there, guys.
Rachel Tuckman was at the fertility
clinic, guys. So like I I checked
myself. I'm like, "No, they're here for
the same reason." So obviously when they
come in, I'm not going to be like,
"Hey." Right? Cuz maybe they don't want
that. But I'm not going to feel ashamed.
Like you're here, I'm here. And I'm
going to even have a po like a manner
about myself that like I don't need to
be ashamed. And I don't want you to be
either. Like I'm here too, you know? And
so that was like something that I really
like if you're in this room, you're here
for the same reasons, you know, or
similar there's some kind of fertility
related reason that you're here, not
just coming to say hi to the doctor for
nothing, you know. So in a therapy room
also like yes, if someone's waiting in
the waiting room, they're for they're
also there for help. And again, I think
we need to like destigmatize help. Like
I think that we've created this culture
and I don't know if it's I don't think
it's strictly Jewish. which I don't
think it's I I do think maybe it's more
pronounced because we do believe in you
know there's a perfectionist culture
here there's a you know that we're like
have it together and our lives are
perfect and great for
you know so I think that definitely we
maybe have more of it but I think that
we live in a a world that's like you
should be able to handle everything
yourself you know like you got this and
if you don't it's like what's wrong with
you and I say like we don't got this
like we have to learn how to do things
and there's some things we can't do
there's a reason we hire a plumber or we
hire an electrician or because if you do
it yourself, you're going to electrocute
yourself or your pipes are going to
explode. Like we have to understand like
sometimes we need to hire a therapist
because there's certain issues we just
don't know how to navigate, you know?
And I always say like when you're in
therapy, you can view it as I'm in
therapy because I have to deal with the
people in my life that won't go to
therapy.
>> So maybe it's not a me thing, maybe it's
a them thing, you know? Like if I can
never get my mother in the room cuz
she'll never go to therapy, like I'm
going to go to therapy. If I can never
get my sister-in-law in the room because
she doesn't think she's a problem, I'm
not talking about my mother or
sister-in-law. Um then then I'm going to
go to learn how to deal with the people
in my life that won't go to therapy, you
know. So I think even if we think about
it that way, sometimes it helps. But I I
do think that yes, there's a stigma and
I think that's a big part of why people
don't get help for even more serious
issues like we were, you know, like
issues with food and body and and their
kids learning issues and and even let's
say dating. you're having a hard time
dating and figuring out what you want
and so you're like, "Well, I'm not going
to go to a therapist to figure out like
why I can't, you know, or why, you know,
>> for some reason there's there's like
this Yeah, I think it's outdated in a
way. I think like it's hopefully making
its way out. But, you know, I think you
all everyone has that those friends in
the friend group that everything's
perfect and nothing's wrong ever and
everything is amazing and it's like
no. Like, no, my daughter kept me out
all night and my kid can't go on the bus
and my wife can't go on.
>> We know we're we're not talking about
ourselves. We know.
>> Yeah. Um, thank gosh. But um I think
like it's it's so outdated to keep to do
this whole perfect thing. It's almost
like the the '9s movies like the you
know Hello Lucy like everyone was every
everything was perfect and Maria is fine
and and everything
>> if for those people who are still
perpetuating that and like still trying
to put up this perfect facade
>> you're doing such a disservice to your
friends. I think people the reason
people do that is I mean there's
probably like a bunch of reasons. Number
one, I I don't think we need to walk
around telling people our problems all
the time, right?
>> There's a a line, right? Meaning yes, it
it doesn't have to be all or nothing.
Like I either have to trauma dump on you
or it could just be like yeah, you know,
like you know, life is tough, life is
rough. So I I do think that for sure
again kind of I don't want to rail on
social media because I don't think
that's you could be on social media.
>> Well, I don't think it's the only
problem. meaning there's so much more
than that. But I think it definitely
does perpetuate like an issue. But yes,
social media is about let me show you
the best moments, right?
>> But sometimes we have the opposite even
on social media where people are like,
oh, we don't want it to look perfect, so
we're going to like show you our train
wrecky life or like our kids are
screaming and then I'm going to complain
about my husband or he's going to
complain about me. And again, we don't
have to do either. But I do think that
yes, I think it's important for us to
remember like each individual to
remember just like I know my life is not
perfect and I have my issues. Everybody
has their issues. No one's life is
perfect. And I I guess like in my job I
guess in some ways like I have a
reminder every day that I work with
people who yeah it could be that their
lives look perfect but I'm privy to the
parts of it that aren't. So I don't
think about that like I don't look at
someone's life and think like wow like
their life is perfect. It must be
amazing. I know that everyone has
struggles. And you know, we always hear
that anal like that that thought like if
everybody took their problems and threw
it into the middle of the room and
labeled what their problems were, you
would be like, "No, thank you. I'll take
mine right back."
>> He was
>> 150%. 100 million%. Without a doubt, you
would 1 million%.
>> Even though it sounds like literally
their their their thing was like really
bad, like really they take their own.
>> Yes. Because even with your really bad,
the person who maybe doesn't have your
really bad has some other bad that you
just would not want to deal with. You
don't feel a corpse.
>> You wouldn't want to deal with it
because, you know, so you have that
really bad, but maybe there's something
else that's that you're not dealing with
that you would feel like, oh my god, but
I wouldn't know how to deal with that.
So, there really is a truth to that that
yes, you would just be like, you know
what, my problems are they're rough.
They're bad and like I wish I wasn't
dealing with this, but like I do not
want to deal with that. Um, and I really
fully believe that. Um, I guess we'll
never know because we're not all
throwing our problems in a bag and
throwing them in the middle of the room.
But, you know, I it it's hard. But I
think people just need to remember like
we don't need to ask people like,
"What's going on in your life that
stinks?" You know, but I think we do
need to remember that even when things
look perfect, like there's always
something going on underneath the
surface. And it could be a complicated
family relationship, something with
their kids, finances, health, you know,
it could be a million things. Something
with their house, something. there's so
much going on for people and there's no
such thing as like a unique problem also
meaning everybody has everything. So I
think that we just really need to
remember that everybody has their stuff
and we just need to focus on our four
walls. I say this a lot in therapy like
stop looking outside of your home. Stop
looking at their marriage, their
children, their house, their
construction, their car. Stop looking
because if you do we make up in our
heads, right? We make up in our heads
what other people's lives look like. And
then yes, we're miserable. Well, she has
a nicer house or they have a better
their kids don't have issues. And oh,
but her mother is nicer. Oh, and her
mother was a baby nurse and her
mother-in-law is sweeter and their
parents give them more money and they
take them away on P. We could go from
here to tomorrow all the reasons that
everybody else's life is better than
ours. And I say like, how does that
serve you? What does that do for you? Is
it helping you? Is it making you feel
better? Like yes, some people's lives
are better than you and some people's
lives are worse than you. And so what?
Please just keep your eyes on your four
walls and work on what needs to be
worked on. Pay attention to your family,
to your kids, to your relationship, to
your husband, to your parents, to
whatever it is. Because again, it
doesn't do any good to look at anyone
else. You know, it just it makes us feel
worse. And that's why in a lot of ways
again sometimes the culture on social
media is look at me and look at my life
and look at my kids and look at my stuff
Bontiff and look at my table and look at
and it's like maybe we need to just stop
looking. Stop looking. And if it doesn't
make you feel good and you feel bad
about yourself and you think their life
is great, then unfollow, mute, log off,
touch grass, we say, right? Like turn
around and say like, you know what, I'm
starting to feel bad about my life. Like
I need to stop looking at this. it's not
helping me. Um, and I want more of that
self-awareness.
>> That's a very it's a very like healthy
level of self-awareness though that
unfortunately I don't think you know is
super super rampant. Is there something
though that you think um that
influencers or even people like myself
who have a big platform could be doing
that can um either be better than what's
happening if you're talking to
influencers at large about how they use
their platforms that can like better
serve the people who are who are looking
based on you with your clients and you
hear what they say. If you can speak to
every single influencer in our room
right now and just say, "Hey, I'm a
therapist and I want to tell you this."
What would you say? I would say this is
like for I think for content creators
and for consumers again I think it falls
equally on both of us. I think we just
need to be very mindful about what we're
doing and about how we're posting and
about how we're scrolling and about what
we're sharing. And I think that we need
to think about before I agree to work
with this company or before I agree to
post this thing like what am I doing
here and how do I think that's going to
affect my community? And I think that if
you're like a Jewish influencer, again,
I know that maybe this is not the most
practical or it seems too idealistic,
but think about like you're working
within your community and the things
that you do and post are going to affect
the community as a whole, which will
then affect your families. So, think
about is this something that I want to
become like the norm here? Is this a
culture that I want to push? Is this
something that I think is like valuable?
And again, I understand people need to
make money and businesses need to make
money and so they need to promote their
clothing for Yansf or their Shabas, you
know, dishes or whatever it is. I
understand that. But I do think that we
are living in a culture of certainly
online of excess. And it's never enough.
And you need this, you need this, you
need this, you need this, you need this.
And this is why we have people, again,
goes back to that anxiety piece. I don't
have, I need more. I just bought this
thing for Shabas last week, but now
there's this better thing. How many
iPhones are we up to now? Right. What's
the one that just came out? What are we
up to? Seven. Right. iPhone comes out
with a new one.
>> When does it get stupid? Like 20. Like
that's
>> it's But I feel like it will never
Right. Everyone's so excited for the 17.
It's crazy. And they know what they're
doing, right? And then you're like, and
then your phone slows down miraculously,
right? You're like, this
>> hunk of junk. Okay. Wow. Very good. Did
it slow down yet?
>> I think it's I don't have perfect
speeds.
>> Yeah, they slow it down when when they
come out with a new one. But even
thinking about that, how every 2 years
there's like a new phone, bigger and
better, bigger and better, bigger and
better.
>> But you know what? I would I would not
go as far as the Apple conversation as I
as I would with the from companies with
circles from clothing stores that are
>> But do you but but I'm saying but they
look at how profitable Apple is and
they're saying look something new every
two years. So they say oh we need to
convince people that they need something
new always better. And again, we live in
this culture that like we have this like
attention issue that we get bored of
things so quickly and again it's that
algorithm and it's you know that we're
told like you just that was already last
year like you you need something new now
you know every you need a whole new
wardrobe every you need a brand new
tablescape every and again some people
if you want that that's great and
whatever but I want people to think
about do I need this and is that the
message I'm getting is that true can I
afford it like financially is this a
good idea I know I'm being told that I
need this can I do that we have to be
responsible we have to think about these
things so I think again it's on both the
consumer please be aware and I'm hoping
conversations like this it's putting it
on the map oh I need to be mindful when
I'm scrolling I can't just like click
click maybe put it in the cart and let
it sit for a while don't buy it right
away you know if you put it in the cart
>> also like life app if you put it in your
cart and you leave it
>> they're going to email you like you know
few hours later probably with a discount
code because you left it in your cart
just saying
>> yes but also it's going They keep coming
up in like your your ads and
>> so if I mistake go on Uber Eats just so
like Bobby mistake click on Uber Eats
instead of like Instagram I'll get like
10 minutes later so you're hungry
>> what like give it to them like what do
you like
>> yes these they know these algorithms
know they know how to push it and it
used to be by the way that we would say
put in your cart and if you're still
thinking about it buy it. So now they're
like oh we want to make sure they keep
thinking about it. Yeah. It's important
for consumers to know though that brands
do not
>> and I don't know if they should even
they're they're there to make money.
They're there to do business. Even
Jewish companies,
>> they don't have your best interest in
mind. So, we can't blame the brands.
They're there to make money. As a
consumer, you need to know that this
whole like
>> you need to buy new clothing for every
season for your child who's two and a
half that's growing by the day.
>> Maybe you don't like maybe Hamming downs
are fine if you had a 2-year-old 2 years
ago. Maybe you don't need to buy
everything brand new. The brands are
going to push it. They're going to try
to get, you know, platforms to to make
it seem a way. They're going to get
influencers to make it seem that way.
But again, the grassroots, it always
comes down to the grassroots is it's up
to the people who are listening to this,
I feel, to say, "Hey, we don't need
this." And this is the buck stops here.
It stops with us.
>> We only these things only have power if
we give it power. Yes.
>> That's it.
>> Right. And yeah, listen, I I believe
companies are allowed to make money and
consumers are allowed to say, "Okay, but
that's not where I'm going to put my
money." So, I do think definitely, like
I said, we have to be aware, do I have
to? And again, I know it's hard like
when I talk about this, people will say,
"Yeah, but what about, you know, if I
talk about like you don't need to buy
your kid that $250 sweatshirt?" They're
like, "Yeah, but all their friends have
it." Like,
>> what do you say to a mother that that
plays that where it's just like
constantly trying to make sure their
child has what everyone everyone else
has,
>> right? So, I mean, so I see it's not
just mothers, it's fathers, too. But
what I would say is, again, this kind of
even goes back to what we were saying
before. If we're always buying our kids
things because everyone has it and we
want them to feel a part of something, I
would say, what's going on underneath
that? Did you not feel a part of things
when you were a kid? Did you grow up
that you couldn't have certain things?
Did you grow up thinking you had to have
certain things to be part of something?
If we're teaching our kids that you have
to have a certain logo to be included,
to be keeping up with the cool kids and
whatever, then again, we're teaching our
kids that their worth is very
exteriorbased and it's based on what you
have and that's what's important. It's
how you look and instead of teaching
that friendships are so much more than
that. It literally doesn't matter what
you're wearing. If you have that brand
or that brand, it's irrelevant, right?
So, I think that we need to I wish it
were easier for parents. And again, I'm
not going to say like just don't buy it
for your kid. I understand the I'm a mom
of teenagers. I totally understand.
>> What would you say to your What would
you say to your kids?
>> So to my kids, I would probably say it
could be a gift from a grandparent. It
could be a gift for a some kind of
special occasion if it were in the
budget. Or I would just say like, you
know, I get that that's like what
everyone's wearing and it's cool, but
either we could split, right? We could
also find like a mid, you know, a middle
grounds of like you pay half and I'll
pay half. Um, and again, it's not even
about like it's a financial meaning. I
wouldn't want to tell my kids I wouldn't
say to them I can't afford it, right?
you know, I don't want to do anything,
>> right? It's saying, so it's for me it's
not even a money thing. It's again, it's
on principle. Um, so I would say either
it's a gift that somebody can give to
you, you know, hey, go ask Bubby and
Zida, right? Ask them. Um, or it could
be like, like I said, a special occasion
type of thing. Like I'm not just
plunking down 300 bucks on a sweater for
you because it's like Tuesday.
>> Or if you don't want them to have it,
like
>> so that if I don't if it's a value
system, then I would say like I get it,
but like when you're this age, let's say
you're 14, like I'm not comfortable with
that, you know? And I would have to sit
with the discomfort of my kid feeling
unhappy with me. And I think a lot of
parents don't want that. I don't want my
kids to be mad at me. I don't want them
to say, "You're so mean." I don't want
them to be like, "But everybody has it
and that's why they have a phone at, you
know, in sixth grade or whatever." We
have to say no to our kids. And I think
a big problem is that parents don't want
to say no to their kids. They're afraid.
Um, and so thankfully, for the most
part, I'm more afraid of my
nine-year-old, honestly, than my older
ones. But I'm not afraid to say no. Um,
and again, it doesn't mean that I don't
compromise. Like I said, if you know,
you want to go havsies, you want to buy
it yourself, I'm not going to stop you.
If you're, you know, 19 and you want to
buy that thing, I can't tell you what to
do anymore. But I think that we
definitely need to learn to say no. No,
you can't have social media. No, you
can't have a phone. No, you know, or
here's the the parameters for what I'm
gonna allow. And I think that parents,
again, if we saw the tie between saying
yes to a lot of these things and a lot
of the mental health issues that are
occurring in our communities now, I
think it would be easier for parents to
realize like if I say yes to this, I'm
actually not doing anything good for
them. I'm actually creating a bigger
problem.
>> And you see the time?
>> Yeah, 100%.
>> So, you're telling them that?
>> Yeah. I'm not saying like if you get
that sweatshirt, I'm not going to say
any labels here like then they're going
to be in my office in 5 years. But I am
saying like sometimes probably cheaper
long
>> may probably um but the benefits of the
therapy are much longer term but I think
that no sometimes we have to say like my
kid is coming to me and asking for this
thing and like what's going to happen if
I say yes like and why am I wanting to
say yes and what am I afraid of if I say
no am I afraid that they're going to be
like the loser with no friends and then
if that's the case like there's again
probably a deeper issue that if my kid
is a a loser with no friends I don't
think kids are losers with no friends
but if that's how I see it then slapping
that sweatshirt on them just means
they're a loser with no friends with the
fancy sweatshirt now. It didn't change
the reality. And by the way, that's how
the kids see them. Oh, you're trying to
be cool. So, it's not fixing it. So, I
think we need to be looking at like
again, what am I trying to solve by
covering it up with the sweatshirt, with
the fancy thing, with the diet, with the
what am I trying to fix in a way that's
very surface, not very meaningful, and
maybe an avoidance.
>> Yeah. It all comes down to what's going
on under the hood. Yeah. And I don't
want to deal with it so it's easier for
me just to do that quick fix. Just get
the sweatshirt. Like stop. I don't want
to hear the whining. Just give her the
phone. Just give her the She wants
Instagram. Give her Instagram. I have to
think about this. No. I We have to have
certain fights. And again, I think some
parents just don't want to do it. And I
understand it. It's hard, especially if
you have a bunch of kids. You're busy.
You don't want to be fighting with your
kids. But again, at the end of the day,
like that short-term gain of like, I
don't want to deal with it is to their
long-term detriment. So, we have to
think about now and the years are short
with our kids. You know, the days are
long, but the years are short and we h
this like limited amount of time to make
sure that we instill the right values in
them and that we do it in a in the right
way, right? Meaning, we're not going to
be like, "You can't have a sweatshirt.
Knock it off." Could be a respectful
discussion. You know, that's not we
don't want to spend our money on those
kinds of things. I know that everybody
has it, but that's not like in our
family, those aren't the kind of values.
I'm happy to like get you clothes, but
like we don't do the, you know, $300 or
whatever it is. Um, and I think just
having respectful conversations,
validating our kids, too. Understanding
when they're like, "But everyone has it.
I hear you. That's tough. I know. I I
understand. And I know that you're
probably not happy with me, right? We're
not being callous or like tough nugs."
Like, that's how it is, you know? So, I
think those conversations have to be
carried out sensitively so that your
relationship stays intact because
relationship is really the key here.
Like, our kids can handle disappointment
when they feel more connected to us. And
then that they believe that even though
I'm not happy with you, I know it's in
my best interest and I know eventually
when I'm an adult, I'm going to
understand why you made that decision.
And so maybe right now I think you're
the meanest and the worst, but
eventually we hope with a lot of dabbing
and a lot of, you know, work that
they're going to turn around one day and
be like, "You know what? I remember the
time like I thought you were so mean,
but like I totally understand why you
did that now and like I thank you and
I'm grateful for it and or maybe they
never say it but they think it, you
know, but I think we just need to learn
to hold stronger boundaries with our
kids and understand that it's for their
benefit, you know. Um, it's hard. It's
hard. parents don't want to do it and I
hear you. I'm with you. I don't always
say no when I should, but I try. So,
>> yeah. Well, thank you so much for for
joining for joining me in this
conversation. I feel like
>> we hit the tip of the iceberg on some of
this stuff, but like
>> maybe going font the fruit thing to
think about it and talk about it or not
talk about it. How about don't talk
about it?
>> Just don't talk about it yet. Just
>> you hear that episode of people? Yeah,
let's not talk about it.
>> Yeah, let's not. Let's just enjoy our
yantiff and enjoy our family and not
talk about food and and even if we want
to take a walk after because we feel
disgusting at the table, we don't tie it
to just say I'm going to go take a walk.
It's beautiful. Who wants to come with?
Don't tie it to
>> enjoy it though. Like when you're enjoy
it.
>> Yeah.
>> Just enjoy and not stressing about it
and and yeah, not making it a big deal.
>> Amazing. Thank you so much. Really
appreciate it.
>> Thanks.
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