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The average business cannot survive a
merchant cash advance. This is the
reason why more times than not they go
bankrupt. Some people have committed
suicide as a result of this. Many people
have lost their jobs. Anyone that's
helping this business in any way, they
all lost their and on top of it they're
bringing a holocaust is rabbi. How could
this be so wrong if the head rabbi of
our community is investing in my
business? Meaning he's an investor in
cash advance. Anyone that could write a
chuva that could prove what we wrote is
wrong. Meaning that this merchant cash
advance is allowed for Jews. We'll give
him $100,000. It's actually much worse
that we're lending money with high
interest to non-Jews because the pretext
of what Hitler used to make everyone
follow him was the Jews charge high
interest. Yes, there's a lot of bad
things that are said about us that are
not true, but this one is.
>> When does profit become exploitation?
You know, a person says, "I'm in
business. I can do whatever I want." Who
asked you to sign this?
>> Okay. Today, our guest is Rabbi Yahon
Ruven. We're going to talk about
something uh you've been passionate
about for years. You call it predator
funding. Um, a lot of people know it and
they call it cash advanced
um or alternative lending. [laughter]
Everybody has a different name for it.
But before we dive in deep to this um
important topic um let's get the viewers
uh to get to know you.
>> Sure.
>> Let's get the viewers to know you a
little bit better.
>> Sure.
>> So I will start with um where did you
grow up? I was born in Israel uh in
Natana in uh uh the hospital that the
closen built in other course
>> and uh we were there until I was 10
years old and we came to the United
States
uh and uh we were a traditional family
but once we came to the US we were
completely secular we went to public
school
and uh I already started working as soon
as we came to America we all had to help
so I already was in business already at
10 years old, working at flea markets,
then newspaper routes. Uh when I was in
high school, aside from doing uh you
know doing well in school, I had three
different jobs. Clothing store, shoe
store, and two newspaper outs. The
newspaper outs and give it to another
kid to do the work and that would
collect the money. Uh and uh then we
went to a lot of other things.
Eventually I went into uh investment
business in Wall Street uh when I was
already
18 19 years old. Uh by the time I was uh
23, I made my first million dollars and
I decided to start my own firm
>> and uh within a relatively short period
of time, the the money uh got to a point
of, you know, significant where a bad
month would be two $300,000.
The best month I had in my career was in
uh May of 2006 where I made in one hour
1.6 million. Uh and really one of my
aside from you know training salespeople
and being a salesperson myself and so on
my uh two main things that I did uh well
was analyze businesses and you know for
investment purposes
uh which really was the the big thing
and and really uh you know doing the
research to find these gems. Uh and uh
you know this is something that I spent
nearly 20 years doing. Uh but again all
this time I was you know I was keeping
you know some basic mitzvot here and
there but I wasn't keeping Shabbat. I
was intermarried. I was completely
uh you know disconnected to a certain
extent.
>> I would like to jump into the cash
advance business. Sure.
>> I want to pick your brain when it comes
to these things.
>> Um
when is helping someone becoming
exploiting someone?
Anytime you know that
they are going to uh put themselves
statistically speaking in a position
where they're unlikely to benefit from
what you're providing them or you know
they're going to lose from it and you're
really it's it's a one-sided deal. So
when it comes to business, every
customer is not necessarily always
right, but the point of why the customer
is coming to you is because you provide
something that is supposed to benefit
them. Okay? That's why they're coming to
you.
>> Had they known that you are in it just
to destroy them, just to hurt them, just
to take advantage of them, they would
have never made themselves into a
customer.
>> It's it's in a world it's called. It's a
I wouldn't have come to you had I known
that you're trying to kill me.
>> I wouldn't have come to you had I known
that you're selling poison.
>> So the the merchant cash advance
business is known not just by me. It's
known by the industry itself uh by
journalists by the law itself that it's
a predatory lending. Meaning that by
default the industry itself is
inherently a predator for its customers
which are prey because the rates of
interest that they charge are so high
that it is statistically improbable to
the point of impossible for the customer
to ever come ahead as a result of it.
Now when you have a you know lending in
itself is a necessary part of commerce
and it's around it's available since the
beginning of time
>> there's always been lending
got stuff for for the bet mikdash from
he needed special he needed trees and he
gave him a city of gold as a result. So
a commerce is perfectly fine. Making
money is perfectly fine. Being
dishonest, being predatory is never
fine. So when it comes to uh charging
interest, there's a different deote
according to the of whether we're
allowed to charge interest or not
allowed to charge interest. We have a
whole chva about it about you know
there's different among the of whether
you're allowed to charge interest or not
to go to to Jews. It's a known thing
that we're not allowed. The Torah says
that you're not allowed. But even to
there's a
whether you're even allowed to charge
interest according to the you're not
allowed to charge interest to the goim.
Uh because the only ones that the Torah
talks about to give interest to them is
the which is referring to the Canaanite
nations and the are not considered.
They're considered.
So you're not according to you're not
even allowed to charge interest to the
green. There are other that say that you
uh can charge interest but the point
here is not the interest. If you have a
uh you know home mortgage, you have a
credit card, there's going to be
interest. But what's the difference
here? And all of those normal ways of
getting a loan from a bank, from a, you
know, mortgage, a credit card, the
interest that they're allowed to charge
you is still within the uh uh the rates
that it's probable that you'll be able
to benefit despite the interest because
it's not going to kill your profit
margins to such an extent or your
investment such an extent.
>> Still let you live.
>> It still lets you live. It's uh now when
it comes to merchants cash advance,
they're going to they're charging, you
know, rates that are absurd, anywhere
from 50 to 4,000%.
Okay, the the a lot of people say, "No,
I only charge 50%." And but then when
you start analyzing it, yeah, but it's
50% for 3 months, which anyone that
knows a little bit of finance knows
that's not 50%. That's 200 that's over
200%. It's not even 200%. It's not 50
times four because it's cumulative. So
you're telling him 50, he has to give
you 50% on, you know, you gave him
50,000, he has to give you 75,000 after
3 months. That's not 50% interest.
That's over 200% interest. M
>> so but you're putting the guy in a
situation where it is impossible for him
to actually get ahead because what ends
up happening is that they if you look at
any business and this is what I did for
many years I analyze businesses
a normal business even if he buys the
goods for a dollar and sells them for
$10 his profit is not $9 because he has
employees he has insurance he has all
types of government issues he has all
types of things he has to pay all
overhead if it's a decent business, he's
going to make 20 25% profit. So that
means that if you're lending him money
at 200% or even at 50%, let's say you're
a discount merchant cash advance, you're
the sadic in the cash advance, you're
you're the guy that only only charges
50% a year,
>> he's still losing money,
>> he's still never going to be able to get
ahead. Why? Because it is impossible for
a business to make that kind of money.
And even if you want to say that the uh
they're like a software company like a
palunteer that makes 71% profit margins
that's not a normal scenario
>> right
>> when we when we look at a and we look at
you know at at things that are are based
on the rightkafa you don't look at
anomalies you don't look at the one
exceptional guy that borrowed money and
six months later he tripled it you look
at the normaly of of of of how things
work and you realize that the average
person that borrows money for merchant
cash advance business ends up
refinancing the loan between three to
five times only because he can't pay it
back
>> and he just has to borrow more money
just to be able to buy himself more time
in the hopes that he wins the lotto
pretty much
and then he defaults and then he goes
bankrupt and some of them have something
called a COJ like a certificate of
judgment as part of the contract
where they don't the cash advance
company doesn't even have to sue him for
the money, they literally win the
lawsuit by default in one in one second.
The second he misses the payment in some
states in the country, it's allowed for
them to have a certificate of judgment
where they take over his uh his uh
assets instantly without a lawsuit. Like
even when you have a default in a
mortgage in a house for an unfortunate
situation with person that can't pay
their mortgage,
>> right?
>> It'll take the bank a year, two years,
three years sometimes for them to
eventually take the take the property.
Here is not even a week.
>> Here he signed it as part of the
paperwork without realizing what he's
even signing, which is one of the
problems, and it's it's one of many. He
signed something that says that he can't
fight this in court. the second he miss
the second he defaults they go to the
court they acquire his property now this
their their excuse is that yeah but
certificate of jud the uh uh this COJ is
not everywhere okay but this is just one
of the many problems and and then there
are places that it is
>> right
>> the key here is that people don't
realize that this predatory lending that
today they call merchant cash advance is
not a new thing
outlawed lending money to go with
interest already 3,000 years ago.
uh the uh the the main businesses that
unfortunately were the most popular uh
that the Jewish people were involved in
uh before the destruction of the beta
mikdash, before the pilgrims in England
in uh in the 1100s, before the Spanish
Inquisition, before the pilgrims in
Morocco, for the pilgrims in Ukraine,
before the Holocaust, every major
disaster that the Jewish people have
ever had, if you look at the number one
business that the Jewish people were
involved in was high interest lending to
the go,
>> right?
>> Back then they called it different
names. Today they call merchant cash
advance, alternative lending, all types
of other funny names. At the end of the
day, it's you could call it's it's it's
a disaster for is to be involved in such
a thing. And that's why many have spoken
against it over the years for whatever
reason or another in our generation. You
know, you you have very few people,
myself, my rav that speak against it.
And I think that the really the only
reason why uh that most rabbis are not
speaking about it is because they're not
aware of what's actually happening.
They're thinking that merchants cash
advance may be like, you know, you
borrowed from a bank because the bank
lends. This guy's lending. He just
happens to make a higher commission.
They don't realize that they're ripping
people off. They don't realize that
they're charging a guy interest that he
can never pay back, that he has to win
the lotto in order to break even.
>> Right. So, what you're saying is that
even if the people in the business, the
funders and the brokers are saying we're
not lending to Jews, you're saying that
is even to the It's it's a it's a
problem.
>> Not only even to the it's worse
because we're lending to the goim.
Because here one of the problems that
the explain is that if a Jew does
something dishonest to another Jew, what
happens? You know, Ruven does something
wrong to Shimon, Shimon says Ruven is a
bad guy. But when Ruven does something
wrong to Jose, then guess what? Jose
became an becomes an anti-semite.
>> He hates all the Jews. And that's why
say this is soy
gazy is worse than
so so it's actually much worse
that we're lending money with high
interest to non-Jews because it causes
and says
it's not it doesn't have a fix until a
person dies because it's such a big
damage that the the the domino effect
that happens from
is unquantifiable cuz now this guy he
realized if you look at any of the
lawyers or podcasters or journalists
that have uh from Bloomberg and other
places that have covered this topic
every single time that they talk about
it they mention that the people behind
it are Jews. It's like Hashem is putting
his hand into this business to remind us
I'm watching. They're not mentioning
listen there's a Chinese guy. They're
not mentioning oh yeah there was a black
guy in the office. They're not
mentioning that the guy is Roman
Catholic. No, no. But they're always
mentioning that the Jews. Why? Because
Shem is watching and he's he's telling
us, listen, this is ugly. This is
something that happened before. And last
time it happened, it didn't end well
because the pretext of what Hitler used
to make everyone follow him was the Jews
charge high interest. Yeah, of course
there was non-Jews that were charging
high interest. But Hashem didn't care
about them doing that. He cared about us
doing it because that's that's what
happened to us. Same thing with the
Spanish Inquisition. Same thing with the
programs in in different countries
around the world. It got to such a
horrible point in Morocco that the chief
rabbi of Morocco in the 1800s
went and spoke against these people to
the king of Morocco. Meaning he spoke
against the Jewish people that are
charging. He says, "Listen, these Jewish
people that are charging, I interest
your people. They're not part of us.
>> They're doing something against our
Torah." So what I'm doing when I'm when
I'm sending this message to it's not to
speak bad about it's to warn us from
repeating the same mistakes that led to
a disaster in the past and this is why
Raando Shalom said that anyone that
lends money with high interest to the
goim has a din
okay this is not your own ruin this is
not the bala from a few years ago that
doesn't know anything okay this is this
If you look at the chuva that we
published that my dear Rav wrote and I
helped to my capacity it's a
17page chuva has many many sources and
we've even said we've showed this to
many even the thought that it's allowed
initially after the reach without
exception
everyone said I can't believe I didn't
know this everyone said you're 100%
right no one has no one has come and
said
I don't agree because we've even offered
publicly for the last seven or eight
years anyone that could write a chuva
that could prove what what we wrote is
wrong. Meaning that this merchant cash
advance is allowed for Jews. We'll give
them $100,000.
>> And people tried but they didn't even
after the first line they said listen I
can't disprove this. You're bringing
from the last couple of thousand years.
So the problem is that either the
leaders of our generation are not aware
of what's actually happening in his
business that they're actually charging
these rates. They're thinking it's just
like a normal bank
or the more unfortunate situation which
is some people are just being blinded by
the money.
>> I'm talking about rabbis. There are
certain rabbis that are investing in
this business. You're saying a lot of
tukas, a lot of money are coming back
from these kind of uh
>> Well, that's the thing. I I spoke to a
lot of people in the industry, brokers
in the business. Uh a couple of guys
that uh started companies I've succeeded
in helping a few people leave the
business.
>> Uh but unfortunately, not enough. And uh
many times you see that the people tell
me, "Yeah, but I spoke to my rabbi about
it and he said it's okay." I said,
"Okay, well, send your rabbi the chuva.
Send him this. He he'll read it." And
if he read the chuva, he agreed.
Most of the time they don't want to read
it. Why? Because they want to assume
this is okay. Why? Because the guy that
they're they're a student just funded
their next yeshiva. Just gave them a
donation. Just a, you know, a quick one
without just to get an aliyah for
$150,000.
Aliyah on a Tuesday. $150,000 because
all of a sudden he likes the rabbi so
much.
>> So some people are turning a blind eye
to it. But in some cases becoming even
worse where I've heard one uh one
particular person came to me just few
weeks ago. Rabbi, how could this be so
wrong if the head rabbi of our
community, which I'm not going to
mention, the head rabbi of our community
is investing in my business, meaning
he's an investor in cash advance and
he's not the only one.
So the average guy, the average Jew
doesn't know the Okay, listen. We don't
know everything. I don't know
everything.
But if you're
if you're a rabbi of a community, if in
some cases a there's one particular case
is a dian and you're investing in this
business,
you're a bigger criminal than the people
that are running this industry. Why?
Because you're obligated to know more
than everybody else. So that's the
thing. Unfortunately, even a Torah says
that unfortunately money makes, you
know, people blind.
>> Yeah.
>> So, this is happening. So, it's it's not
a it's not a it's not a small problem.
It's not a small problem. And anyone
that looks into the industry knows or
will get to know that it's inherently
evil. And one of the biggest issues that
I see in it is that in every industry
there's a recruiting office. There's a
recruiting team to get the next
generation of producers of salespeople.
Okay? So if you're a law firm, you want
to go to best colleges. You want to go
to the Ivy League schools to get the
next generation of lawyers. You always
want to get the best in every industry.
You know, you want if you if you want
you're a technology company, you want to
go to MIT. you if you're a lawyer, you
want to in this business, where's the
recruiting happening? Where are they
recruit? Are they going to Yale? No. Are
they going to Harvard? No. Are they
going to Wharton? No. You know where
they're going to? Yeshiva. [snorts]
>> They're going to Yeshiva. And they're
telling the Listen, you've been
learning. Good for you. You You know how
to say,
but really, do you have any life skills?
No. How are you going to pay $1,500,
$2,000 tuition for the kids you don't
even have yet?
Okay. How you going to pay tuition? How
you going to pay buy a house? Any Jewish
community you want to live in, you have
to pay a million dollars for a house.
>> How are you going to pay for that
exactly? You don't have any skills. What
are you going to tell them? Rashi uh
commentary. What are you going to tell
them? You going to tell them that? What
are you going to say? So, they scare him
that there that apparently Hashem
doesn't run the world and tell them,
"Listen, but if you want, come work for
us. You don't need any skills. You don't
need any talents. You don't even need to
know how to chase clients. Why? Because
they call you. It's not like the
investment world where you have to go
chase clients and hopefully you'll find
somebody that wants to invest with you.
Here, the clients call you. Here you you
don't you don't they don't give you
anything. You're giving them. So, it's
the easiest thing in the world. You
don't need any skills. You don't need to
know how to do anything. You could
literally be almost a mute and still
make a sale. And yes, you'll make 10 15%
commission. What's 10 15%? You lend a
guy a million dollars, you're going to
make $100,000 or more. And that's just
as a broker.
So the kid is listening to it. I'm 18
years old. I have no talents. I have no
abilities. I need the money. I know how
my how much my father is struggling or
my cousin is struggling. So yeah, let me
go into this. Now, initially, you could
give them the excuse that, okay, this
18-year-old Bahul doesn't know anything.
Doesn't know it's inherently evil.
Doesn't know how much he's going to hurt
people cuz he's 18. Most kids that are
18 don't know much.
>> But you can't use that excuse a year
later. Why? Because after a year
happened, those first few months, he
eventually closed a few deals.
And those few deals that he closed in
the first few months, they're already
crying to him. What did you do to me?
What did you put me into after a year?
So, he already knows he's bankrupting
somebody. So, after a year, you can't
say, "I didn't know I was doing bad."
>> Right?
>> You can't use that excuse anymore. But
what keeps him in? By then, he's already
used to making 20, 30, 40, $50,000 a
month.
the already has the venom inside him and
now you're gonna get him out.
>> So unfortunately this is something that
is targeting our that's why in every
single uh special interview article that
they write about this industry they
always mention and by the way they were
Jewish. They don't mention anyone that
was a Christian. They don't mention
anyone that was Muslim. They don't
mention anyone by different colors or
race. that they always mention that
there's a Jew there. Why? It has nothing
to do with the article. But apparently
wants to know, hey my dear children, I'm
watching.
>> But let me talk to you from a different
angle. This is the small business owner
>> who is struggling who can't who can't he
can't make payroll [snorts]
>> and uh the banks refuse him.
>> Yeah.
>> The banks don't want to give him
anything. What is he supposed to do? Uh
is he supposed to file bankruptcy?
to give him a loan is not helping him.
You're all you're doing is you're the
way that they the uh the merchant cash
advance present themselves is misleading
to begin with because they present
themselves as they are buying his
receivables.
Okay? Now, if you're really buying
somebody's receivables, you have to
analyze the assets. You have to analyze
the clients. But they don't do any of
that. All they analyze is how much money
has the in the bank. Why do they care so
much about how much money in the bank if
they're buying the receivables? Because
they're trying to analyze how much
lifetime he has left for this business.
So long as he has three months worth of
lifetime in the business, they'll lend
the money. They don't care about his
business. They don't care about his
payroll. They care about they analyze
how much blood can I suck out of him
until he dies anyway. So it has nothing
to do with helping him. It's a predatory
business for a reason. It's called
predatory lending for a reason. It's a
predator. Predator looks for prey. So,
don't care about helping him payroll.
So, the guy that can't make his payroll,
that's his problem. Them lending him
money is not helping him. It's
magnifying the problem.
>> It's not a solution is what you're
saying. It's not it's it's it's it's
actually a more difficult death
>> because if he doesn't borrow from them,
he still has other options. He could
still borrow from friends and family. He
could still fire some people. He still
has other solutions where that he could
buy himself more time to give himself a
better opportunity to turn things
around. But this fast forwards his his
demise.
>> This doesn't this doesn't delay his
demise. This expedites it.
>> It just looks like help.
>> Yeah. But do they know what they're
signing? Do you feel that it's
misleading completely? Is it or they're
so desperate that they don't care? They
just are attached to the business
emotionally or, you know, they feel like
their whole life is falling apart.
>> I've been I've been building business
since I was 10 years old. I've been
almost 40 years. And I could tell you
that as much as a person can love their
business, there's there's always going
to be a red line. There's always going
to be a red line of
>> how much he wants of desperation. Yeah.
You know, yes, put everything into it,
but there's always a red line,
>> right?
>> At the same token, a person that could
start a business is also a person that
can understand how, you know, what's
what's really is riskreward on things.
So
when they're signing this documents,
there's no way that they ever really
understand what they're signing because
no one would there would sign this if
they knew what's going to be the end,
>> right? So walk us through. Let's say
someone wants a half a million dollars,
>> right?
>> What is he signing over there? How does
the interest uh work? And how does he
look 6 months down the road? He was
struggling from this secret. Yeah, he's
already being misled from day one
because nine out of 10 times the person
that he's talking to, he's not giving
him his real name.
>> So, Shalom is now uh you know uh Steve.
Okay, so already we're starting with you
know different he's not talking to the
right people and then sometimes Shalom
pretends to be two or three people. He
pretends to be Steve but then he
pretends to be Steve's supervisor Joe.
You know why? The whole thing is alive
from the beginning. I have training
video I have training uh uh uh
recordings that people gave me uh that
uh they got working in this business
literally they teach the people to life
from the first second.
>> Mhm.
>> Secondly on the paperwork many times
you'll find something where they say
something like 9% recovery rate.
Now, this 9% recovery rate is to mislead
the customer to think that number one,
they are a uh they're a company that's
trying to collect receivables like they
present themselves, which is not. And
number two, to present as if it's 9%
rate. It's not 9% rate. You know what
that 9% is worth?
>> Zero. It's the same thing as putting a
picture of Pikachu on the paperwork.
That 9% has no value whatsoever. That
number, that recovery rate is not even
advertising. It's literally worthless.
It's just purely to mislead and it's
very common on those paperworks.
Secondly, when they do present the rate
at some point or another, they show it
as a daily rate, which the average
person does not understand, even if he's
a businessman, does not understand
because no bank tells you we're going to
charge you. 2% per day. No, they tell
you, "We'll charge you 14% a year. We'll
charge you 28% a year if it's a credit
card." That's what you know they give
you annual percent rate. That's the
normal thing that you have to do by law.
>> But the merchant cash advance business
misleads by saying no we're going to
charge you 1.6%.
>> So even the guy looks 1.6. Okay. So 1.6%
that's pretty good rate. Wow that's even
better than my bank. Or in the best case
scenario the guy says you know what oh
so 1.6. So if I times that by 12 so yeah
it's more or less like a credit card. He
doesn't realize that 1.6 rate is almost
50% a month.
So he doesn't he has no concept of what
he's paying. When does he realize it?
After he signs the paperwork. After he
signs his business away. Pretty much
it's a death sentence to the business.
Then he wakes up and he realizes, wait,
they just drafted money. They took money
out of my account
for the rate. I just borrowed the money
yesterday. Two days later, they're
already taking money out. And guess
what? The next day, they're taking money
out. They're many cases they're taking
money out of the account every day which
is poison to any normal business because
your main thing in any business that
creates value for business is cash flow
when you're sucking out all the cash
flow out of the business. You're killing
the business.
>> You're out.
>> So now they're taking money every day
and he can't stop it. He complained on
all all he wants. Listen mister, this is
what you signed. Oh, you didn't know?
Okay, sorry. Next time read the
paperwork. So now they're starting to
take money out of his account every
month. He realizes he put himself into a
gem, but he's still optimistic because
the guy promises him that listen, don't
worry. This is just our first deal to
get, you know, to get our feet wet, to
get to know you. You know, he's still
pretending to be his friend now. We just
lent you $50,000. You have to give us
$75,000 in a couple of months. That's
just to get to know you. But don't
worry, after you do this, right, we're
going to give you a we're going to
refinance the loan to give you a small
business loan. you know, like the, you
know, small business loans, like the
ones that the government helps with and
and the ones that you only pay 8% on.
This is all fairy tale. This will never
happen in three months from now when he
doesn't have enough or he even does have
enough, they say, "Listen, we can't do
this small bit, but if I give you
another 300,000 of merchant cash and you
pay back $450,000 in a couple of months,
then we'll get you that $3 million that
you told me you wanted that three, then
we'll give you that." So the whole thing
is smoking mirrors and all they're doing
is trying to refinance him to give him a
bigger loan by selling him a bigger
dream that one day he's going to get
that multi-million dollar investment
that will never happen
>> because they're just simply sucking more
and more that they can out of his
business and Hashem help him if his
business is not growing at at least 50%
a year because at that point the demise
is even faster.
So the average business cannot survive a
merchant cash advance. This is the
reason why more times than not they go
bankrupt. More times than not they end
up in lawsuits.
More times than not this ends up
destroying jobs, destroying the uh the
the guy's life. Some people have
committed suicide as a result of this.
Many people have lost their jobs. And
and one of the big things that's going
to make this whole thing blow up
is when the government wakes up out of
the the government of America and other
countries that this is happening in, but
mainly America it's hurting realizes
that the economy is being destroyed
silently as a result of this business.
Because the number one thing that moves
an economy, any economy, is not the
Coca-Cas and the Pepsis and the Apples
of the world. It's the small business.
So when you are systematically
destroying small businesses in every
opportunity that you can, you're
destroying the economy. And this is
exactly what they're doing. This is what
they did in in previous generations.
And this is what's happening. And it's
unfortunate that there's not enough
rabbitical leaders,
uh, you know, leaders of any kind in the
Jewish community speaking against this
business. And I think I'm giving
everyone the cuffs that they're not
aware,
>> right,
>> of how evil this is. But it's becoming
harder and harder for me to believe that
because of what I see, because of what I
hear. And unfortunately, it's it's it's
unbearable.
>> Does profit in a business have a cap?
Like when does profit become
exploitation? You know, a person says,
"I'm in business. I can do whatever I
want." Who asked you to sign this? I'm
I'm I'm introducing to you something.
>> My the prophet is is there a cap on
profit? Where
>> there's no cap there's no cap. There's
no cap on a profit. You know, the only
time you know where they talk about cap
on profits is if you could buy something
from a Jew versus buying from a Gentile.
You should pay up to 16% more to do
business with a Jew over using a Gentile
just to help our own brothers and things
of that nature. But that's the only time
in that I know of that there's ever a
cap in in such a thing. No, there's no
problem. You could buy something for a
penny and sell it for a million. As long
as that's what people want to buy, no
problem. But this has nothing to do with
profit. This has to do with this has to
do with manipulating people to do things
that are against their own interest
>> when they're desperate.
>> Again, even the desperate person, had he
known that this is his death sentence,
he wouldn't do it. So this is this is a
uh uh when we look at the aspect of it
we realize that they uh you know this is
similar to uh when you analyze gambling
for example the reason why say that when
when one person gambles with another
person
they uh you're he's not and uh even
though both of them agree to the rules
let's say they're playing poker
>> right
>> okay and uh and Ruven beats Shimon if if
Ruven and takes the money from Shimon.
Now, according to the rules, he's
allowed to.
>> Yeah.
>> But the reality is Shimon would have
never played had he known he was going
to lose. He only agreed to the rules
because he assumed he's going to win.
>> Right.
>> Okay. So, this is something that's
applied when you read the chuva that we
published the this is the same concept
here. This is a when a person agreed to
the rules of this, it's not because he
thought this is what you're going to do
to him. He thought it's going to be very
very different. Right.
>> So this is also one of the many reasons
of why this this business is forbidden
for Jews to do with needless to say with
Jews. Um but aside from all of this,
it's simply hurting people.
>> Like what is the wisdom behind the of
ribb? Well, the big thing about ribb the
is is is compared to an to the venom of
a snake
>> to a bite of a snake that has venom in
it.
>> And the is one of the things what in the
beginning you don't realize what
happened.
Sometimes
say that the guy that's giving that's
giving alva that's giving a uh a loan
appears like he's helping but in reality
he's going to he's going to hurt the
person.
>> The same thing with venom. Venom doesn't
kill right away. Takes time
>> but eventually it kills. So the key
thing with with with rebat in general,
the Torah speaks against it both for
Jews and Gentiles uh in many different
ways. And in fact, even uh you know in
according to the opinion of those that
say that charging beat at all is
allowed. They said it's still a cursed
business that anyone that deals with it
would eventually lose everything. M
>> you know the the one that benefits the
most bund out of uh charging interest
will end up giving all of that money to
someone that uh helps the poor, you
know. And they give different examples
of how uh uh uh Jewish people that
actually benefited from uh charging
interest ended up losing all the money
to some king because this king gave a
lot of uh money to poor people. So
there's a lot of different examples of
how this thing is inherently evil
according to the Torah.
Furthermore, one of the things that uh a
person has to understand is that is
known for having okay is known for
having mercy.
>> That's one of the signs of a Jew. That's
one of the things that distinguishes us
from among the nations. When you're in a
business and you know that your customer
is a victim, he doesn't realize it yet.
He doesn't realize he's prey. He thinks
he's a hero right now because he found a
solution. He found the Joe from
Brooklyn, the Joe from Oklahoma,
wherever, wherever you told him that you
are, he he thinks he found a solution.
He doesn't realize he just became a
victim.
So, when you already know that your
average customer is going to go
bankrupt, is going to lose as a result
of your transaction,
where is the mercy? Where is the Jewish
mercy? That's the one thing that baffles
my mind. What happened to the Jewish
heart that's supposed to be merciful?
Now, of course, everyone is going to
calm their conscience by saying, "Yeah,
but I'm giving that stuck to to the
shul. I'm using that money to put bread
on the table.
>> Yeah, I'm I'm providing for my family."
Uh
according to the GRA
the whole issue of reb starts off with
who are we allowed to charge uh rebit
say if you're going to charge the gim
you're not allowed to charge the Jews
you charge the gim okay
but
one of the things that they're saying is
that yeah but is everyone allowed to do
this no the mit says if you're going to
charge rebeat
You have to be very careful not to put
yourself in a situation where you're
constantly next to the nations because
you're going to be influenced by them.
So therefore, if you [snorts] are a
average person, you're only allowed to
do the business with them with the with
the with the with the nations if there's
no other business available to you
because the nations are forbidding us to
work, which is what happened in past
generations. We weren't allowed to be in
other industries. So we were forced, if
you will, to be in this business. But
you're only allowed to make enough money
to survive. Meaning to pay your basic
minimum expenses, not to buy a $3
million house in the Hamptons,
>> right?
>> Not to uh get a private jet just to go
to a basketball game. That is never
allowed. That according to all opinions
is never allowed. If you're in a
business, you have to you are allowed to
do it only to make enough money to
survive. But if you want to prosper, you
have to be a Tommy.
We're not worried about him being uh
influenced by the uh nations because uh
he's learns to.
>> So now one of the one of the comes and
says where in his generation already how
is it that our entire generation of of
financers of people that lend money have
suddenly become everybody's where
they're just they're just doing this all
the time. He says we're not all. How is
it that everybody's allowing themselves
to be in in the lending businesses
already hundreds of years ago? So in our
generation, it's even, you know, we've
degraded. We haven't become better than
than
>> for people to simply allow themselves to
be in this business. It's only because
no one is saying anything that is
supposed to. And unfortunately those
that uh are uh are have gotten to the
point where they don't even care
anymore,
>> right?
>> Uh you know this message is not going to
help them until they uh they wake up to
have their own personal
>> thing saying is that it's missing an
awareness and an education about the
subject.
>> It's it's missing to such a point where
people don't even realize it exists.
They some people will rationalize it by
saying yeah but it's only charging the
uh the gim.
>> Yeah. the interest. What do I care?
>> Like I said, hurting the goim is worse
than hurting the Jews.
>> According to the Torah, it's worse.
>> You compared You compared this to lone
sharking.
>> This is worse than lone sharking. Loan
sharking is something that was very
common when I was growing up.
>> Yeah,
>> that's what the mafia did. Yeah.
>> The main money that the mafia made
>> was loan sharking. Guess what? The mafia
has shut down loan sharking. They all
started cash advance businesses.
>> It has a beautiful face is what you're
saying. Listen, it's a it's a legal way.
And you can even have an office. It
doesn't have to be the back of the
alley. Doesn't have to be in in in uh
you know in Joey's garage.
>> Now to the mafia, the the struggling
businesses used to go to them and beg
them for money, too.
>> Now they open merchant cash. So now the
the the Jewish uh uh merchant cash
advance business that looks like a like
like it used to be a co that used to
look like it used to be Shiva. the next
door neighbor is uh the mafia because
they're both in the same business. And
guess what? The attorney general
uh in New York has already fined them
nearly $2 billion for their usery, for
their unethical businesses. Bloomberg
has come out with multiple articles, a
whole series of articles about the
industry where they caught the heads of
merchant cash advance businesses that
unfortunately in some cases were Jewish
and uh that were associated with the
mafia to such an extent that they would
send the mafia hitmen to go scare the
customers that didn't want to pay back
the money or didn't have the money to
pay.
>> So when I say their colleagues, it's not
just a joke. They literally have become
colleagues. They literally have become
business partners.
>> This is this is a disaster of all
disasters that no one wants to talk
about. It's it's a poison within our
community and it's flourishing over the
last 10 years. I already heard about the
cash advance industry when I was on Wall
Street over 20 years ago. I knew it was
bad back then. It only got worse over
time. In the last 10 years, some of the
leaders in the cash advance industry
have become publicly traded companies,
meaning they're multi-billion dollar
companies. Some of them have become
major hedge funds or or closed end
funds. Uh uh and literally they have
major dealings.
So, not all of them are big. It's very
easy to open a cash advance company, but
some of them realize that there's other
opportunities that this opens for them.
So it's not enough for them to commit
one evil. So now there are some of them
are opening sister companies that they
pretend are not associated which are uh
um debt settlement companies.
>> So it's not enough for them to rip the
guy off once. They know he's not going
to have money. So what are they going to
do? We need to still make money out of
him. So we're going to do we're going to
open a company that's called for debt
settlement. So after he can't pay back
or he wants to settle, there's another
way for us to make fees.
So they opened debt settlement companies
and literally the evil is just
continuing to grow. Some have started
funds where they collect money from
investors saying, "We're going to
collect your money and we're going to
give you guaranteed 40, 50, 60, 70%
interest." How could they guarantee it?
Because they're charging the people
3,000% interest. So, they're starting
hedge funds to lend money
>> to uh to to people. All types of things.
This is this is just a cancer that's
growing. And um unfortunately, it's uh
it doesn't look like it's going to stop
anytime soon because of the law. But at
the very least, if we could warn some
people before they get into uh too deep
into this, hopefully we could help them.
>> Wow. What message do you have for
funders and brokers in this industry?
If you want to have any chance
whatsoever of going to heaven, any
remote chance for heaven, you have to
leave the business as soon as possible.
Shut it down. Don't sell it. Don't give
it to anybody else. Shut it down as if
it never existed. And hopefully you'll
make enough money from your next venture
that's ethical to pay back all the uh
all the damage that you've caused.
That's the only chance you have because
even if you keep Shabbat, even if you uh
you give staka, doesn't matter if you
give a billion dollars a day in staka,
if all that money came from from stolen
money, which is what this business is
considered,
then guess what? You're never going to
enter ganed. Why? Because when you go up
to when you have gazil on your hands,
when you have when you have stolen
money, it's called damim. You have blood
on your hands. And no one is allowed to
go to Ganeden with blood on their hands.
Now again, people could say, "Oh, you're
this. You're fanatic. You're extreme.
You're this." Fine. You don't want to
you don't agree with what I'm saying.
Read the chuva. Read the chuva. Prove it
wrong.
Prove it wrong. You want to prove it
wrong by all means. But one thing I
would say is especially for the Jewish
people that consider themselves from
before you eat, you you determine
whether you the kashoot is good enough
for you. Before you marry, you decide
whether the shiduk is good enough for
you. Before you buy property, you decide
whether the property is a good
investment.
How are you allowing yourself [snorts]
to go into an industry without knowing
that the permits you to do this evil?
Because what you're putting on the line
is not just your business career. It's
not just money. It's your
if [snorts]
there's even a 1% chance that I'm right
and I know I'm 100% right because again
that's but let's say according to the to
the uh the doubters
>> there's a 1% chance that I'm right that
means that every single person that's in
this business whether he's a broker an
owner even if he's a secretary or she's
a secretary in the business anyone
that's helping this business in any way
they all lost their
And on top of it, they're bringing a
holocaust is
this, from my perspective, I already
said this when I first started talking
about it. I did a speech in Israel. I
did a speech in uh a whole series of
speeches in New York maybe about six,
seven years ago. I told him back then,
and I'll say it again,
this is bringing the next Holocaust, and
it's bringing it to America.
Why? because you're d you're destroying
what's most dear to them.
At the end of the day, we're just
visitors.
You can call yourself American as much
as you want. American Jew, American,
African, whatever you want to call at
the end of the day, Amanda is a visitor
wherever they are.
>> Right?
>> The nations, the number one most dear
thing to them is their money.
>> Correct?
>> You're destroying it. You're ruining it
with this business for your benefit.
Guess what? One day they're gonna wake
up. One day they're gonna wake up and
they're gonna realize it's you. And
guess what? All of us will suffer as a
result of it.
>> And that's why say someone that does
this business is considered din.
It's considered as if he's trying to
kill the Jewish people.
>> So it's it's this is not a small
problem. And I've been trying speaking
about this for years in all different
ways.
And like I said, Hashem, we've helped
some people, but it's not even
scratching the surface.
>> Have you ever spoken to people who lost
everything which families were destroyed
from this?
>> Yes, of course. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They
the uh I've spoken to both sides. I
spoke to people that are brokers in the
business, left the business. Uh I've
I've spoken to people that have gotten
hurt from this business, still being
hurt from this business because they're
in the middle of loans. What does it
psychologically do to a person who is
like trapped in this?
>> Once if it if you're talking about the
customer, the customer is
uh wants [snorts] revenge. The customer
wants revenge in so many ways. The
common denominator among all customers,
all people that are in in essence fell
for this, they all want revenge. They
all feel like someone took advantage of
them. They want revenge. This is why
many of them are very uh uh uh at some
point they speak about it uh either to
to news outlets or to anyone's going to
listen to them. Um and they want
revenge. Why? Because they feel like
somebody robbed their house in open
daylight. It wasn't like, you know, you
stole it behind their back. So they feel
like you fooled them. So a lot of people
want revenge. This is what breeds
anti-semitism. This is what
anti-semitism at its core this is what
it is. This is what happens. The
question is if where you have to put
more [clears throat] uh you know
emphasis do you put more emphasis on
education and bringing awareness to the
clients to the customer the struggling
business so he knows that this is you
know I understand you're desperate and
everything or you warn the people not to
do it which which gets more of a
>> uh I mean listen you you know from from
my speeches and from what I do I try to
warn both sides at the same time anyone
that listens to my shim that especially
the ones that discuss this topic and I I
I bring it up even a short version of it
once in a while anyway
>> just to you know uh make sure it's not
lost in the uh in the mix
>> uh anyone that listens to it
automatically will learn that it's not
good to be a customer of it and it's not
good to be a uh a broker of it. Uh but
the truth is that you know our main
responsibility is for the people that
are you know bringing it that are
selling it. And the reason why is
because they're the ones that are
causing the most damage to reach the
rest of society. To tell them that this
is bad is never going to help because
there's always going to be someone that
either doesn't hear you or thinks that
he can beat the system. thinks that no,
no, but I have a way to do it and I have
a strategy and I have this I'll get
better.
>> Uh, you know, there's still people that
believe that you could avoid paying
taxes, you know, if you just uh, you
know, if you just don't file, you know,
like because some they heard online that
somebody could told them that uh, if you
don't do it, then you know, no one's
going to bother you. Like there's still
people that believe that these these
fairy tales. So, same concept here.
You're not going to be able to reach
everyone. The second thing is is that
also this is a problem that uh Hashem
himself is allowing us to decide on
because he is allowing it to manifest
and get worse. The federal government
that should be the number one uh uh to
to stop this has decided to keep their
head out of it. In fact, even helped
them to a certain extent, help protect
some of the merchant cash advance
business. and they've simply decided to
tell all of the states, if you want to
deal with this, if you want to shut this
business down, have your attorney
general start filing lawsuits,
individual lawsuits with different ones.
And that's what some of the states are
doing, which is almost impossible.
>> Yeah.
>> To to fix such a such a industry problem
that way. But the uh state of New York
has already uh has been the most
aggressive. There are some other states
that are doing it, but at the end of the
day,
this is our problem. Why? Because if a
gentile
that's from, you know, any country in
the world and any nation in the world
decides to
hurt another gentile,
that's their problem.
>> That's not our responsibility.
>> Right?
>> That's not our responsibility. In fact,
uh there are seven noahide laws uh to
some extent will allow some parts of it
and and and forbid some parts of it. So
it all depends. It's much more it's it's
put it this way. It's a lot easier for
to permit them to do it, but for us
there is no permission.
Uh so for the Jewish people to be
involved in such a uh merciless industry
gives all of us a bad name. And it's
also repeating the same mistake.
>> It's history. It's history repeating
itself over and over again and it never
ended well for us. When people say where
was God during the Holocaust, the have
that have answered this have always said
where was Am before the Holocaust?
Where was God during the Spanish
Inquisition? Where were the Jewish
people before the Spanish Inquisition?
Where was God during the destruction of
the beta mikdash? Where were the Jewish
people before? been a nish is what
you're talking about.
>> We have to wake up at some point or
another. You got to look at the person
that's in the mirror and say, "Listen,
that's me."
At some point or another, we have to
realize, listen, you know, yes, there's
a lot of bad things that are said about
us that are not true, but this one is.
Okay? So, there's conspiracies and
there's lies and so on. I even have
anti-semites that watch my videos.
They become lovers of Jews
and leave being anti-semmites as a
result. Why? Initially, they see my
videos. They hear me rebuking my own
people. They're like, "Oh, wow. This is
an honest rabbi. He's actually bringing
stuff that's true." And they say, "I
don't understand. Why is he saying these
things?" They start watching the other
videos and they start realizing, "Wait a
minute. the Jews that he's speaking
about
are
when he's speaking when he's rebuking
it's the same ones that I have a problem
with. But they're not making those
they're not uh uh uh doing the bad
things that they're doing because
they're Jewish. They're doing it because
they're humans. It has nothing to do
with Judaism. That evil that they're
doing has nothing to do with Judaism.
So, he also has a problem with it. The
Torah has a problem with it. The rest of
the Jewish people have a problem with
it.
>> And guess what? the Jewish people that
he's rep that that that he's helping and
as a result they do chouva I like them
too. So we actually have many people
that used to be Nazis that have
abandoned Nazism. Some have even
converted to Judaism. just in the last
week, apparently one of the most famous,
you know, public uh uh uh people that
was a a former Nazi
uh says that our shim have influenced
them to abandon that and to now try to
build bridges between the Jewish people
and the rest of the nation in a positive
way rather than being a Nazi. So
bringing the truth to the world by
saying that we're making a mistake is is
the best way for number one for us to
admit yes there are some people among us
that are are bad apples that are acting
you know in bad faith but that's not
Judaism that has nothing to do with
Judaism that just has to do with
personal lust that everyone has. We're
concerned with the ones that are among
us because that's our responsibility.
M you know we can't we can't deny
everything. We can't just say listen you
know we are always uh perfect and
everyone is ungrateful. No listen
sometimes we screwed up
and we have to fix it. That's what the
Torah is for.
>> It's a tremendous tremendous message.
But let me ask you something. Uh what
solution do you have for small
businesses who are struggling?
>> If a business is struggling as far as
getting financing. Yeah,
>> if they're already in in a uh situation
where they're struggling, but they
haven't taken a merchant cash advance
loan yet, they have a lot of options.
Number one, if the banks don't work,
they can go to friends and family. uh
they can go to people in the community
uh and try to make it a investment
uh or a loan or a mixed investment worth
loan to make it appealing to people
because most businesses that need money
they don't need a unreachable amount of
money they need 50,000 they need a h
100,000 need 500,000
>> they don't need $5 billion they're not
ex and trying to go public with a $2
trillion IPO right
>> they need money that's in today's
economy is relatively easy for even one
person to do. So if you have something
that's good, if your business is good,
I'm sure you could find an investor
that's going to either lend you the
money or or or invest into your company,
>> right?
>> So and and and you're certainly not
going to put your company in jeopardy.
And you say, "Oh, yeah, but it takes
time." Yes, it takes time, but I'd
rather you take time and stay in
business than it not take time and then
you're out of business six months later.
>> Right. So, so as far as getting
investors or getting people friends,
family to lend you the money is usually
the best way. Uh that's that's I would
say number one. Uh number two, you have
other options of getting money. Looking
at other assets that you may have. You
have a mortgage, you could refinance,
you have other assets that you could
sell, liquidate, a car that you're not
using, jewelry, all types of things that
you could come up with the money.
>> You're saying become creative, but don't
dig your own.
>> Don't Don't Yeah. Don't Don't Desperate
Time calls for desperate measures, but
this is not a desperate measure. This is
stupid.
>> This is suicide.
>> This is just simply jumping off a bridge
and hoping that someone catches you. You
know, it's it's not it's not a it's not
a business that is known for helping its
customers. It's a business that
literally has entire law firms built
just to fight against it. There are
literally entire law firms. This is all
they do is fight against the merchant
cash advance business.
There's no other business that has such
a thing.
>> [clears throat]
>> There's no it's it's just one of those
things where it's literally we're going
to look back at this
and we're going to say how did we have
any of our people even the one guy
that's complete like an atheist Jew how
did we even allow him to be in it how
did society allow such a thing to exist
but this is unfortunately this is Sodom
and Gomorrah uh in in uh 2026 some of
the things that I talk about are things
that uh unfortunately other rabbis don't
want to speak about and that's been one
of the main things that has helped most
people and one of the topics that you
mentioned is the merchant cash advance.
>> Yeah.
>> You know because it's a uh I remember I
I remember seeing in one of your shows I
didn't see the whole thing yet but there
was one gentleman that was spoke
speaking about the issues of kadusha you
know the porn addiction and things of
that nature. This is one of the main
topics that I've spoken about over the
last 12 years. And I would say that one
of the things that would uh correct I
hear a lot is that you know people are
shy to talk about it. I say it a little
bit differently that people are not shy
to talk about it. Rabbis are shy to talk
about it. People are talking about it
everywhere. They're talking about the
news. They talk about in the billboards.
They talk about in the street. Even in
synagogue sometimes.
>> It's everywhere.
>> It's everywhere. But unfortunately the
teachers are uncomfortable in teaching
it. And that's that's unfortunately one
of the problems. And the same concept
with cash advance or other topics that
we need someone to tell us the truth
whether it's a uh comfortable or
uncomfortable.
Sometimes you you need to say things and
uh at least give people an opportunity
to decide for themselves based on you
know based on the truth bas without
sugar coating it without being
politically correct. And it's a uh it's
one of the things that we try to do to
the best of our ability with with we're
always obviously double-checking with
our rabbi to make sure that what we're
saying has sources and and it's a uh
it's been an interesting journey.
>> You're known for somebody who uh speaks
the truth.
>> You're known for somebody who is like uh
you know is saying it the way it is.
Where does that boldness come from?
Well, I my mom tells me that ever since
I was a kid, I was like allergic to
lies. I can't I I can't bring myself to
lie. Uh and I uh since I was a kid, I
would find things uh I would find lies
as something that's uh
>> it didn't resonate with you.
>> I didn't like it. I would ask sometimes
I would ask a question. If I get an
answer that wasn't exactly it, like
somebody's putting me I always say
something. Listen, this is you said
something different last time. So my
whole life I've been uh a fighter for
the truth of whatever I knew the truth
to be. So one of the things that we
utilized in business for example when
we're in investment business is we would
look for red flags in companies. red
flag either is going to create an
opportunity to make money where other
people are not seeing what the truth
really is or red flag is that there's
trouble behind the scenes and you can
make money on the other way and you so
you stay away from something. So this is
something that I did in in the business
world and it also is one of the things
that got you know that that ke kept me
out of trouble because in the brokerage
business especially in the 1990s and
early 1980s before I got into it boiler
rooms and and and uh and and brokerage
firms that simply you know manipulated
the public and uh convinced them to
invest in things that don't exist and
churning the accounts and making you
know unreasonable fees and so on. that
was a standard that continued into the
early 2000s and that was one of the
things that I always ran away from
because it was disgusting to me.
>> Mhm.
>> So when I was u working for a company
called Raymond James before I started my
own firm um I was looking to leave and
there was one guy uh that owned a firm
called me. He said, "I heard you want to
leave and I'm willing to offer you $7
million to come work for us." Now I'm a
23y old kid. $7 million is a lot of
money. I that was the first year I made
a million dollars. So, it was a uh $7
million, a lot more than I have. Says,
"Okay, well, what's the deal?" He said,
"Well, bring your clients and I'll give
you $7 million in any way you want. You
want in cash in a box, you want it in a
this, whatever. Why? Just bring your
clients." Said, "Okay, but what's the
deal?" He's like, "Well, the main thing
is you need to buy our investments,
what we recommend." I said, "What are
your investments?" And he gave me a
couple of things. And within 30 seconds,
I told him, "No, thank you. This is all
garbage. Goes, "Well, why not?" I'm
like, "These are all fake companies." He
goes, "But what do you care? You're
going to make $7 million." I said, "No,
I'm not a thief." Not a thief. If I if
somebody gave me their money to invest,
I'm going to invest it.
>> So, that was the uh a test that I had
apparently uh you know, at that age. So,
even be before becoming religious and
and anything else, there was a certain
sense of you know, morals that my
parents raised me with.
>> Right. So, I was going to ask you what
kind of values your young My my father
always told me that, you know, you can
make money in two ways. You can make it
the right way, you can make it the wrong
way. The the uh the right the wrong way,
you'll make a lot of money very very
quickly, but you won't last long. The
right way, you won't make a lot of money
right away, but you'll last a long time.
You'll make a lot more. So these types
of things and hard work and already
starting to work and helping the family
at a very very young age, understanding
how difficult it is to make a living, to
struggle,
>> to get kicked out of houses and and and
try to rebuild and lose and make all of
these different things that struggle uh
like the name of the of the podcast
>> that shaped a certain character that uh
you know to me to steal from anybody
else it just doesn't make any sense to
me.
And uh I I just again the the truth came
naturally. But once I realized that my
truth was biased
when it came to personal issues because
I didn't know anything about Torah, I
started realizing that I have to adjust
and even though it was difficult and
even though it means that I have to
change major things, it is what it is.
if if you're you're either going to be
uh you know full of truth or you're
going to be living a lie. 99% truth is
100% lie.
>> Yeah.
>> So that came along with it also. And for
me once I started uh teaching Torah
it was as if you know Moshe Benu said
it. This is what I'm saying. I'm not
giving you my opinion. I'm not giving
you what what I think. I don't care
about what I think. It doesn't matter to
me. That's why one of the main things
I've always asked my rabbi to do is that
anytime we learn something to give me
the source so I can go check it so I can
go name it for people so they can look
at it themselves and see this is not my
opinion
>> right
>> so if somebody has a problem with it
they could go to the Rambam they go to
the raashi they go to Rabaka they go to
Rabenu go complain to them
>> right
>> and if you really want to complain you
want to complain to maybe I'll call you
and have a personal meeting with you but
your problem is not with me
>> right
>> so so that's that's the beautiful
messenger
>> yeah so I'm just giving you the
information. And I think that uh that
has helped a lot of people that are
looking to improve. They're they they
want to improve. There are certain
people that they don't want to hear it,
>> right?
>> They they want to live uh they want to
live in illusion and the message is not
for them
>> because if you're not ready, if you're
not receptive, nothing's going to help
you,
>> right?
>> But there's many people that are
interested and we try. But let me ask
you, what did uh Wall Street teach you
about people?
>> Well, I think one of the biggest things
I've seen in my life when it comes to
Wall Street and the and the and the
world of money is that money makes
people do strange things and that
everyone has their own character,
but they're not going to allow
themselves to fully express their
character until they have a lot of money
in front of them.
>> So they say it amplifies the person. So
if the person is a good person, it will
amplify that. And if the person
>> bad, it's it's unfortunately it's it's
people think that money changes people.
It doesn't change people. He was always
that.
>> He just he was just pretending to be
nice until he got the check,
>> until he has the house, until he has the
position. Now that he has the position,
he's really expressing who he really is.
>> And unfortunately, this is one of the
things that you see in in in every
aspect of life. uh when money makes
people do uh some horrible things uh if
they don't have that uh you know that uh
at least that decent foundation to begin
with
>> right let me ask you an interesting
question uh what is the biggest struggle
you had to overcome you know when
becoming a bou
>> um well I mean I the biggest the biggest
thing is just a adjustment of life where
you know your personal opinion is no
longer by default right you know because
we you know being successful being the
boss being the one that you know hired
and and uh you know trained over 120
people and and helped them become
millionaires and so on or at least mo
you know some of them um by default
you're right no one could tell you what
to do
>> right
>> so now when you have Hashem and you have
his messengers, all the rabbis, and you
start realizing I have to put my head
down to that. I have to realize that I
don't know everything. I'm not right by
default. It doesn't matter what I have
or don't have. And so that that was the
first big thing is that you have to
humble yourself.
>> Right. What you're saying is that the
toy humbled you in a way has to
>> that uh you you couldn't recognize
yourself.
>> No, I mean it was a completely different
person. I mean, of course, the struggle
of life, you know, helped that that that
uh that humility become fast-forwarded
uh but uh but I think that uh you know,
just knowing that you're not right by
default.
>> Um I think is one of the most important
things. Aside from that, it's also just
changing your life structure where uh
you know, money is not necessarily the
top priority in life anymore. uh yes we
need material in order to live in this
world to do good things and so on and so
forth but it's no longer the priority in
life there is there's other things that
are much more more important there's
there's life beyond life
>> so these are some of the things that
were very very different it was a very
big adjustment for me
>> right
>> um and uh you know as far as like the
mitzvot keeping Shabbat and holidays and
so on that wasn't so difficult once I
decided I want to do it
>> right
>> once I decide that I it's not that I
want to do it it's I also have to do it
because if it's true, the whole thing is
true,
>> right? You can't be
>> if it's false, then what am I doing
anything for?
>> Right. You can't be half pregnant.
[laughter]
>> No.
>> Yeah. It's either you're in or you're
out.
>> Exactly. Yeah.
>> Now, uh what do you think is the
greatest gift that u we Jews have?
Well, I as far as gift that is, I mean,
I think that the special that Hashem
gives us in the things we put our mind
to,
um, where each Jew has a special, a
special spark in them that a kadosh puts
that,
uh, gives us extraordinary levels of
success in what we put our minds to, but
that also works in a in a positive and a
negative way,
>> right? And you see throughout history
how the greatest influence that the
world has seen has always come from the
Jewish people you know you know in both
in the positive and negative. So we have
Mosherenu
uh but
we also have you know
>> you know we we we have a but we also
have his grandson. So they destroyed the
bet.
>> Yeah. uh you know we we have a uh you
know sadikim like the the Rambam but we
also have Karl Marx with the communism
and all the craziness that came from
there. So there's a lot of good that
came from Am and that's what told uh um
Vital that uh when he was tested early
in his life uh he was told that he's
he's going to have to make a choice
either staying in the business world.
Apparently he was an alchemist. He found
a way to make gold from nothing and he's
either going to pick the Torah or he's
going to uh stay in business. And he
says if you would have stayed in
business you would have turned into the
worst person in history worse than Haman
>> and now you're going to instead of that
you're going to be you know the you're
going to be a sadik and so on and so
forth. So each you know Jewish has that
spark in it and put each one of us to do
good but we still have our own choice
and
everything is fromem it's from heaven
except the fear of heaven whether you're
going to listen to hem or not that's
your choice. The spark is there. The
potential is there. How are you going to
amplify it? That's going to be your
choice.
>> Wow. Let me ask you a personal question.
>> Who was there for you when you needed it
most?
>> I would say that uh out of all of the
people that I've ever met and all the
different things that I've been, there's
only three people that have been there
for me. My mother, you know, my mother
and my father, it's in essence one. They
were they were the uh uh you know there
through thick and thin
>> my wife [snorts] and my RV re
the uh
rest of the people that I've ever met
known and so on. Um
there's always uh a line
>> there's acquaintances
>> there there even even people that
consider themselves good friends there
was always a line that people weren't
willing to cross. I remember
um that uh
this is about um
maybe 12 years ago. Um I had an
apartment in New York. We moved already
to Florida and my apartment was worth
somewhere around $4 million,
but I had a uh issue with it and it was
being foreclosed on and all I needed to
come up with was $100,000.
It's a $4 million apartment. It had
something like uh $2.7 million equity,
but at a limited amount of time, all I
need is $100,000 to save this house.
Now, I had many millionaire friends and
billionaire clients and all types of
things. Now, I can't call everybody, but
I called a few people that I knew that
for them, you know, $100,000 is like a
penny.
Guess what?
No one let me the money.
One guy that I know that when we used to
do business together,
each transaction would be no less than a
million dollars. like it was usually a
million, two million, four million.
That's the type of business ZA does. He
makes $120 million a year. So $10
million a month is what he makes. When I
ask him, listen, I have I'm in a gem. I
only have a week to come up with
$100,000 to save my house. It's my
house. It's the only thing I have left.
>> So $4 million. I'm going to sell it
>> and I'll give you the money. I'll give
you that. I'll give you two whatever you
want. [snorts]
>> No. You know what? Listen, it's just I'm
too busy right now. This is just going
to get in the way of things. Going to
confuse me.
That was his answer. And a few other one
guy that I asked, I helped get him a job
that he made uh his starting salary was
a half a million dollars a year. I
helped get him that job and get him out.
He was in retirement and he wanted to go
back into the business world and he
wanted me to help him. I helped him
analyze and pretty much present himself
that he's the good to be the CEO for
this company. And long story short, he
got the job making a half a million
dollar, $600,000 a year, and he was
already very well off. Uh when I asked
him for the money, all of a sudden, uh
he he was financially tied up. Long
story short, when it came when push came
to shove,
every one of the friends, business
associates, whatever you want to call
it, there was always a line they will
weren't willing to cross. But the few
people that there is no limit, there is
no time, there is no uh uh nothing.
There's simply we're we're one. Like I
said, my dear Rabime, my dear wife, and
my parents
>> and that's that's that's what it that's
what it came down to in life. And again,
for anyone that uh wants to evaluate
themselves and thinks that I'm wrong,
please show me how I'm wrong. But uh
it's it's it's just just the way it is.
>> Wow. A final question. Who is your role
model?
>> My love.
>> Wow.
What kind of impact did this man make in
your life?
>> I think I think it's uh
it's a combination of things, but I I
think it's a
it's just, you know, being dedicated,
being selfless,
um and um just doing good for the sake
of good. not not not really looking for
a uh not looking for uh recognition or
uh notoriety or fame or any of that
stuff. [sighs]
And also when I the more I learned to
the more I realized that no matter what
I do uh I'll never be able to repay him.
Just like no one that I help do chuva,
it doesn't matter how much they donate
or how much they do, they can never pay
me back. And the reason why is because,
you know, even if I, you know, give Rime
a billion dollars a second, it's never
going to be the equivalent of one second
in heaven that I'll ever get as a result
of doing Chuba.
>> What he brought you, what he made out of
you today has no price.
>> There is there's no there's no there's
no there's nothing I there's there's
nothing that you could ever pay back for
it. You know, it's a it's it's not it's
not something you could buy with money,
right? I was on a straight path to g now
beem I have a chance of going to heaven.
So that's it's it's a it's it's polar
opposites. One is zero chance. One is I
have a chance. You know I'm going in the
right direction. I'm trying my best. At
least I I know the truth. I know where
to go. I know the direction. So and
that's the thing that has no price. And
that's what people don't understand. The
importance of helping people do chuva is
not just when it comes down to secular
people that were like me that were in
the business world because in our
generation there's so many people
confused in every community in the f
community in the community in the
Ashkenazi safari Israel America the UK
wherever you go and benit there's no
there's no every house needs something
>> and if we truly understand the
significance of what it [snorts] means
to have a share in olabah.
All of us would start doing something
about it, you know, because it's there's
a lot of people like me out there.
There's a lot that that don't know what
they're talking about that are, you
know, driving on Shabbat and working or
even some people that keep on but are in
this business of mercants. They they
they think that they're from but in
reality they're causing uh, you know,
much more problems than they are doing
good. So I think if more people start
realizing that we need to do kiru that's
authentic that doesn't sugarcoat it
simply tells people this is what Torah
says like it or not like it it's not my
problem I'm giving you the information
decide accordingly you know choose
wisely
I think the more we support it the more
we publicize it the more will have a
better chance of you know having a
better future because
for you.
>> It's not a uh it's not easy out there,
but I think it could get easier than
than where we're at.
>> Tremendous tremendous work.
>> This episode made us see the world in a
little different in a in a little
different light. Definitely encouraged
us to think more more deeply about the
choices we made.
>> Yes.
>> The choices we make, you know, we have
and it's in our hand and we have to make
the good choices. We have to be right
>> in business and in life.
>> Yes.
>> Unbelievable stuff. I want to thank you
so much for coming in.
>> Thank you for having me
>> and for the awareness that you brought
and the education that you brought to us
today.
And anyone that wants to see the chuva
that I mentioned to you, I'll send I'll
send it link. You can read it. You can
read.
>> Absolutely. Uh it's a very very
important thing to at least even if you
want to be in this business at least
know what what what what it entails at
least know what it entails be educated
that's the least we could uh we could uh
ask for
will have mercy on us and give us the
>> to overcome this obstacle
>> and to overcome all the other obstacles
to dom instead of to uh to to to do good
to be a light to the nation to be a
light to each Sir, we all do.
>> Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you.
Thank you.
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