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The Briefest Introduction to the Cutheans
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So, we're moving along in the beginning
of Maseches Chullin discussing the very
first line of the Masechta, "Akol
shochtin ushchitatam ksheira."
Specifically, "Hakol
lasuyei mai."
We saw six different shittos amongst
Amora'im. "Lasuyei tamei, lasuyei Kuti,
lasuyei mumar ochel neveilos
u'shkuteiha." "Lasuyei mumcheh she'eino
muchzak, muchzak she'eino mumcheh."
Additionally, we want to digress a
little bit may inyan l'inyan very much
b'ei se'inyan to talk a little bit about
the lasuyei Kuti, to talk a little bit
about the lasuyei mumar ochel neveilos
u'shkuteiha. Today's daf is going to go
back to the lasuyei Kuti. In fact,
today's daf is not just going to discuss
Kutim as it relates to shechitah, but
today's daf is an insight. It's a daf
that requires an asterisk in terms of
understanding klalei haShas. And that is
today's daf is going to give us the rest
of the story in terms of how it is that
Chazal treated the Kutim. I think it's
kedai just to give a very brief
introduction to the Kutim. This is
something that we've gone through
b'chaburah at length several times. We
talked about it a little bit even here
in the beginning of Maseches Chullin.
But being that the primary topic of
today's daf are the Kutim and the
historical placement of the Kutim, it's
kedai just to refresh our memory and
b'ezras Hashem hopefully segue smoothly
into the daf. So, the Kutim were a group
of people that were brought by
Shalmaneser, king of Ashur,
during the time of the first Beis
Hamikdash from the land of Kutha to
Eretz Yisrael. The background was
Shalmaneser was the infamous king who
had exiled the Asaras Ashvatin. And he
felt that to leave the whole northern
part of the country vacant was not
smart. So, he felt that he didn't want
the Jews there, but at the same time, he
had to replace them with other people.
So, he gathered people from different
lands, like the Novi says,
and he brought them there. One of the
places from where he took people was
from Kuta, and apparently they were
a massive component of this group of
people to the point that all these
people became known
as the Kuta. Now, the Kutim came from
different lands. They were pagans. They
were [snorts] ovde avoda zara.
However, the Novi says that at some
point their lives started becoming
at a point of great risk. Specifically,
the lions. This is very old school that
came and started eating people up. And
they took it as a sign of from God,
we're living in the land of the Jews,
which means that we have to worship the
God of the Jews. And they took it upon
themselves to convert to Judaism. They
became gayrim. Now, there was a big
machlokes amongst the tanoyim and even
later amongst amoyim, whether or not
this gayris was a sincere gayris or was
it not a sincere gayris. On the one
hand, they were megayer, but then again,
they only did it because they were
afraid of the lions. So, were they gayre
emes or they were gayre arayis with an
aleph? They were only gayre machmas
yira, and as a result, it wasn't
sincere. And it's for that reason, when
you learn the sugias of Kutim throughout
shas, it's always a little bit confusing
because in some sugias, the Kutim are
yedim, in some sugias, they're not
yedim. And always the first question you
have to ask yourself anytime you see the
word Kuti, this manda amra, this braysa,
this mishna, this sugia, is it of the
opinion that the Kutim were Gerim, in
which case the Kuti that we're talking
about is a Yid, or maybe it's of the
opinion that they were Gerim, or Ger
Aryos, which means the Kuti de Ger
is really not a Yid, he's really
an Ani Yehudi. Now, one thing is clear,
whether the Kutim were Gerim or Ger
Aryos, to a very large degree, they did
their own thing.
Ad de daycha, they did their own thing.
They actually fabricated and created
their own little Masada.
>> [snorts]
>> It evolved to the point where if you
were going to generalize it from a high
level, they said that we accept the fact
that Hakadosh Boruchu revealed himself
at Har Sinai to all the Yidden
Mitzrayim, and that he
appointed Moshe Rabbeinu as a Shliach to
be his messenger, and that the Torah
that Moshe Rabbeinu taught the Yidden
was miSinai. However, only the Torah
sheb'ksav, and not the Torah sheb'al
peh.
Which meant that from a pure
customary perspective, the way the Kutim
lived their lives, despite the fact that
according to many they were Gerim, they
were Yidden, but it was very, very
different from the way that the rest of
Klal Yisrael lived their lives, which
puts the Kutim into another unique
pocket, and that is a sect of Yidden
that believed in the Torah sheb'ksav and
not the Torah sheb'al peh.
The most notable of that sect are the
Tzedukim and the Baytusim, and years
later in the times of the Geonim and the
Rishonim u've'Reshonim, the Rambam, the
Karaim, and that's why the Kutim, they
come up in the Sugyos of Gerus, were
they Gerim or were they Ger Aryos, and
they also come up in the Sugyos of the
people that were Machchish the Torah
sheb'al peh, because really that's
another one of the hats that they
infamously wore. So, they're part of
that group of Tzedukim, Baytusim, and
Anan, the Karaite, and they fall into
that category as well. Just to mention
two interesting nuances that relate to
the
Kutim. Number one, their ksav is ksav
Ivri and not ksav Ashuris. So, we know
that when the Torah was given in the
chatchila, it was given in ksav Ivri.
But the Gemara says in Sanhedrin daf 21,
"Ruya hu se Ezra she tini nothing Torah
al yado. V'af al pishli nitna Torah al
yado, nishtana hakstav al yado." And
Ezra was the one that introduced ksav
Ashuris, the ksav the way we have it
today. Well, the Kutim weren't mekabel
the mesorah from Ezra and as a result,
they still had what the ksav was in the
days of Menashe ben Chizkiyahu and
that's why they maintained, they always
kept the ksav Ivri. Another big point
which is going to feature in today's daf
that made the Kutim unique is that they
believed that the holiest city in Eretz
Yisrael is not Yerushalayim Ir Hakodesh,
but rather it's the area of Shechem. And
the holiest place
within the holiest city is not the Har
Habayit, it's not the Har Hamoriah, but
rather it's Har Gerizim. And the reason
they were even able to
entertain such a possibility is because
as we discussed at length during the
Yarchei Kallah, the Torah doesn't
mention anywhere Yerushalayim. The Torah
doesn't mention anywhere the Har
Habayit. The Torah says that when you're
going to come to Eretz Yisrael, there's
going to be a makom asher yivchar and
that place is going to be the place.
Well, that's pretty open language and
the Kutim believed that being in Parshas
Ki Savo, Torah makes a very big deal
about Har Gerizim and Har Eival. Har
Gerizim is Har Bracha and Har Eival is
the mountain of the Klalah. So, they had
this understanding that what is the
makom asher yivchar, it's one of those
two mountains that are featured very
prominently in the end of Devarim and
specifically the Har Bracha, it's
probably not the Har Klalah and that's
why their inyan was very much associated
with our reason. As a matter of fact,
the more it says in
that at some point they built a proper
temple on our reason that was destroyed
by Alexander Muktan. This is again
something that the more it talks about
in different places. But the bottom line
is this is the very very brief
origin of the story
of the Kutin. Now it's interesting. The
Mesha Kadaris, as we're going to see in
today's stuff,
the Hakham and got together and they
decided that I know for years we
couldn't get along on this topic. With
the Kutin Gary MS or they Gary Aris.
However, Nim Nuvagaru moving forward a
Kutin will no longer logically be
considered a Yid. So [snorts] that
regardless of whether we took the
position for a thousand years at the
Kutin with Gary MS or whether we took
the position they were Gary Aris. That
was all here to four. But moving
forward, you want to know how we're
going to treat the Kutin with a sure
going to treat them like any Yid. Now at
first glance, kind of an shall how could
you do that? What does that even mean?
If the Kutin are Yidden,
they're Yidden. Now after learning
yesterday's stuff, which by the way is
the segue into today's stuff,
we can maybe hypothesize a little bit.
Maybe being that the Kutin were not
behaving properly, they were probably
Machala Shabbos before Asia. It's you
talking that they were Muma with the
Kahavin. Could be they were even Muma
with the Kahavin.
Now we know all these people are Dinay
of the Kahavin. And that would be the
simplest answer to explain how the
Kahavin would have a Gurech to do
something like this. And that's going to
be the partials in the Gumar that we're
about to learn. We're giving it away.
Spoiler alert.
But the point is, as we'll see, that's
for sure what this Indian was rooted in.
But it doesn't satisfy the question. And
the reason is cuz there are risers from
shots that this that the Kutin from
Khulan the [snorts] above forward were
treated like any Yidden and was not just
l'chumra, it was the kula as well. We
took away their status as a Yid 100%
bein l'chumra, bein l'kula. This idea
that a mechallel Shabbos b'farhesia is
treated like an
eino Yehudi doesn't mean that all of a
sudden he's a non-Jew, and if he
[laughter] wants l'chatchila to go eat
in a veil on Yom Kippur, this is
something he can do. Because we know
banka hu banka k'ri u'vanim, and we know
af al pi chat'u Yisrael heim, and of
course it just means in certain areas on
a lower how we can't unfortunately treat
him like he is, cuz you know what? He
doesn't treat himself like he is. So,
what are you supposed to do? But
[snorts] at the same time, at the same
time, my father, you want to know if
he's a Yid, he's a Yid. But the Kutim
were unique because a feel l'olam da
amar Kutim geirei emes, but they were
treated no longer as Yiddin, they were
treated mamash 100% like ovdei kochavim,
and that's takke pelah. So, the Maram
B'kum to this is the Hilchos Sofer who
said a a dover pelah. It's such a dover
pelah that we once mentioned that Rav
Moshe Feinstein in Divrei Moshe writes
one of his shiurim, he says that he
believes this is a tois. It was written
by a talmid toyah. You have to be
moichek it. Rav Moshe used to do that
often kiyado. But the bottom line is Rav
Moshe said that there's no way in the
world that this is emes. What did the
Chasam Sofer say? That in
it it elicited this hergesh from Rav
Moshe, it can't even be true. He said
that the we know Chazal say that hefker
beis din hefker. Now, what's the makor
to hefker beis din hefker? So, the
Gemara in Gittin brings two different
makors. One of them is we learn it from
the story of Ezra and Nechemia. The
pasuk says that when the Yidden came to
Eretz Yisrael after 70 years of galus
Bavel, so it was Yom Tov in the vachin.
They weren't behaving like Yidden. And
Ezra said that in three days I want
everybody to come to the town square,
and we're going to make a new bris, a
new covenant, where once again we're
going to renew our vows with Hakadosh
Baruchu. We'll bring korbanos, the par
on davar sheb'tzibur, and through that
we're going to somehow get ourselves out
of this situation, and we're going to
be able to find favor again in the eyes
of Hakadosh Baruchu. And then he made a
threat, did Ezra. He said, "V'chol ha'am
any person that wasn't come within three
days you
Ezra said that whoever doesn't come in
three days I'm going to take away all
his money has has every right to take
away all his money you see from here
have to be have to be I'm sorry for that
that read the next words of the
you have to be you have to be you have
to be
the means will you bother me will you
bother me will we're going to
deport you right that's what it sounds
like it sounds like we're going to
revoke your citizenship it sounds like
we're going to be you from the board but
said the
no will you bother me
means literally and just like you see
from this that Ezra any on the level of
Ezra has an ability to be somebody's
he also has the ability to take that
person and be
and say that even though you're we're
not going to treat you like you get
anymore and that said the
is what happened and he says who is
the one who is very much me how in the
world is this even possible and this is
the way you can understand what's going
on over here that
this idea that
that the should no longer be treated
like
this was something that was
done based on the same exact license
that gave the men
to employ a
the which of course is a
now
when we went to all a few months ago we
actually visited the believe it or not
they're still a a share of plate of them
not many
as
we saw but they're
still doing
out there and on some level they hold on
to the
it's a fascinating visit