The Bracha of Magen Avos Part 2 - When and Why is it not said Shiur by Rabbi Nachum Scheiner

last week we spoke about the the reason for the Tak the is it a or is it more call it a filler I want to continue and focus today's she more on the most common the to a couple are always some are smaller says in theim these two three four that speak about the so says that you do not say the okay so it's connected a little bit with learn why not why don't you say why don't you say the Friday night the reason for that is because people what does it mean maybe people come late but the is is that after once you there ready the in the house you eat in the house the whole is that you come late and you leave late really is in the town once they made it was all over regardless you say that was all over the reason in the to but it's only when you you come late and you leave late you don't leave late finished not the extend the brings the extend that this that says you don't and actually when you have a onetime Friday night minion this is we'll soon get to a regular Friday night minion but you have a one time Friday night minion it's snowing and you make somebody's gracious enough even with the snow to make it in the house the Friday night minion do you say mug of us you do not say mug of us the T says it's a k if you don't say if you don't what's the K from B you don't say b k that you don't say you don't say in a one time Friday night Min you don't say why not what's the technically has somewhat of a every week it's a different but the concept of is there's an idea in CL when you ding in his house or the appearent house and have that's still you don't say it explains this a one time minion Friday night that has zero M you don't say it you don't say it now the is it could be now so what technically if you have the you should say it you should say it even also why not why not he's no what does it make a difference the ter is says the there's no reason for first of all we in the town and even if we would have an add at the town maybe there isn't a maik problem but there's no reason for the Tak the teror once they made the Tak we keep the Tak going however if it's a minion it's only a one time ion so it's that kind of never applied over there I I do want to say that even on a one time minion you would the saying that the is not so we keep the T going but at least in a place that really there's no so it's not like that Tak has to apply over there m you don't say it so what do we have so far very very clear that you don't say a one time Friday night minion you do not say that's clear we'll soon see maybe differently but for now very clear you do not say Friday night when you have a one time minion a older person so he could walk to go shabas morning and you don't get a say for and then so you want to make a minion Friday night you say MAV you don't say MAV but one time one time that would that is f to ear you would say I also don't think so and I I I hear what you're asking but the the ver is is that the whole is not it's not even unless you're in a very dangerous place wherever it isud in the poo and you're rting some place and the place doesn't they they put up a tent at the other end of the campus for Dominic so maybe that that that should you know that's not FPS the ear but I don't know or or shade them I don't know if I don't know if you're in the polos on the other side of the campus I mean um s though there's people that live in these random commities that you need you literally need to walk around with a gun on CH again that's consider I hear also the the you're talking about with a snowstorm let's say an older person someone's father comes to it's it's random in the sense that you do it very sporadically CU how often do you have the snowstorm the guest but whenever you have them it's k no everyone knows that whenever there's a snowstorm we go to S or whenever it's fall we make a minion that's BAS is it who says what you're saying is not better than Whenever there a you go to the's house the same house is just every week it's a different house it's a con in one person's house okay good so we'll get to that we'll get to that also we know that whenever this happens it's s something in that sense but it's better it's more we'll get to that in a certain sense let's see what has to have the I'm going to jump ahead just what we want to speak about as M pointed out that these at least used to be in Elizabeth he was a a setup that Friday night he was in let's get to it in a minute I want to go and we'll come back I think it's let's come back to the sh what's the get this considered a the next pointer in this to speak about is a convention a convention so technically it's also it's a onetime shabas whatever convention I don't know convention good convention one time it's a one time the say the T says they don't speak about a gooda convention but they speak about a ID to say you have a weekend long you come to the Big Town you bring all your merchandise and you're there for a few days and the yeen over there make a minion so couple of days if a and it's for a few days then you say it's called we're going to get back to see that's called it's interesting says but that's not the it's only and doesn't mean just for a sh but sometimes you go you mentioned about the Poconos let's say you rent the house and you have a whole bunch of people that come from Friday afternoon to shabas and you bring a sa that's not but I guess let's let's say it's pretty clear now the conventions if it starts Wednesday and it goes till Sunday that's Kam then you would say just this morning was interesting just like B you don't don't say why not not because of the lack of just because he's no you don't have the reason of because even if people come late but said you're staying there for the meal the same thing is at least by a convention by your rid by you rid it's not like you're staying in you rid people come wherever they're staying in they're in that's where they go back to so here you you have this concept of by a convention you go for shabas to somewhere to Hotel so even if you do come especially if it's in the winter you're running late you come late and maybe even you'll stay late but everybody's staying there so just that you say now let's go so what did we speak so far we spoke about like this B even though the somewhat of a you don't say a onetime Friday night minion you do not say for a couple of days these you do say now let's go into most typical classical Shila every a Minion for every Friday night yeah a lot of places have a Friday night and a m shabas they don't shabas morning already is a longer ding to say but they have Friday night minion do you say do you say the why not why yeah so the first thing is we already said that the says the reason why you say by you rid by a convention is because he's a sa so if he's No Sa you shouldn't say so far with the knowledge that we have ra CH says that you say and he says this that even though you don't have a sa forra even though you don't have a sa forra even though you don't have a sa forra you still you still say it he says the whole saah this you need a SA ises he says you don't say first of all he says you don't have a say but also for whatever reason has a say for maybe you would say but then he says which is like that that the only reason you say by you rid let's call it a convention is what makes it is because it's a few days consecutively it's a few days here just kind of it's like very aridic it's true it's every single Friday night buta it's only every Friday that it's not a few days in a row if it's a couple of days together then you say if it's not a couple of days together then you don't say so is this the same thing do you say ra says you say and ra Broner says you do not say this is a Friday night meting that's kav the same house every week oh now we very good now let's go to one that's not K if it's we have a what's if it's not K now may Brar for you you're not going to say just because nak doesn't make it better but that you say would you say in the case to have that every Friday night is in somebody else's house would you say so the question is and this is what I want to get back to the point that we brought up before that says that if you have a minion kav could be a minion kav seven days a week and this minion for one Friday night for whatever reason there was an issue the steam wasn't working they moved out of that place just for a Friday night doesn't make a difference just for a Friday night it could be for two m whatever half a shabas once it's a few days and it's a few days you say it why because you it's a k the Dominion it happens to be moved over here for a Friday night oh very good very good very good that's what then we'll get back to this other Shila Dominion is a minion K it happens to be it happens to be for a Friday night they went somewhere else now I I can't say for sure we're discussing together could be theila is only talking about in a place that it's place in a for one one time they popped out and they went somewhere else I don't know is he also talking about when every Friday nights it's somewhere else I don't know but you could hear like very good boy is saying that he's a in the minion who cares that every single Friday night it's in a different place he's AAS but could be you could say it's a little worse off than the case over there the is also it's a sh it's BAS however however for one Friday night they moved out so now that Shool is now wherever they are in somebody's house but I don't know if in every single Friday night it's in somebody else's house the minion is a c a minion it's going on for 25 years but maybe it only gets a c when it's it's it's somewhere and what's consider what what makes the minion minion because this a minion happened to this neighborhood you know every Friday night for 20 years does have to be does there have to be 10 of the same people there every week and go we're not handling a m we're handling a minion so it have to be it's the same 20 people or the same Core group that's there every week let's say it's a place that they manag to get a Minion for here straight but they're always making phone calls who's coping who's cut so they it's in the same place so you talking about in the rotating place we are you handing which if it's in one Sho and every single week these never the same people it's somewhere out and what say yeah and there's always someone else renting Airbnb and coms over these never ever the same people that's called a minion it doesn't have to be I think it's I'm not a I like I think it's a mil it's a minion he AER these people you don't have to have the same people even in the rotating minion also I would say it's a minion everyone's always having guest whatever that's minion look at their yeah it's a minion minion K either your ified on the Minion or on the location if you don't need a location don't need a minion so you have a minion place called it identifies as there's a this is the sh this is the neighborhood sh every week no that is that's it could be either one it could either be the mar and and even if every time there's somebody else and it could be also the minion also even if it's every week somebody else let's say you rotate different places right in a vacation village and every week somebody else you have to that's part of the job you have to find who's you know willing to host a minion never the same people every week but L is a minion kav you're saying that's no different people too far they're hiring V to come for shavas but they only have four people who live over here so they know they're paying six six different bu to come every shavas and it's in a different place every week so there no Mock and w't make because takes place cuz they have it on their schedule that that makes it a minion these a minion which part don't we have it's a minion kavua kava has to be in one particular place if it's in one place you you agree even if every single week they get new people it's a minion kab so if it floats around also place of this was this room was set up as a place of fer so even if they don't have the same location L it's a minion k a minion it's a minion there's a minion every you go to this place this vacation place every single week There's a minion where the minion is who makes the Min doesn't make a difference he's a minion K use a different room every week it's up to whoever's ring it which room they want right right right right that's also consider you could hear not a m Kava and not the same people but it's a minion kav which means minion kav means that it happens all the time every Friday night that makes a everything called a minion kav say this this is the minion of this town it has a shame even you can say oh this is the what's it called vacation vacation minion say you would you would say something like that you can see that you could even hear the concept of let's say they have a certain then then we could here that these these do it and even if not let's just go back for a minute was handling before on a one time Friday night minion so you don't have these no no is no meaning to say is it's it's really serious whenever these are snow but that's not a if it never snows then it doesn't happen even if it snows it's on the it's when it snow so what's there's no it's not a minion there's no there's a location somebody's always happy to host it but it's not it's not a there's no about winter time what's the together say winter time happens you know when the weather's I don't know I don't know you want to know if if somebody hosts it for 6 months added a year is your bar because it's going to snow even though it's set up based on this so we say when it's under 50° outside it's going to be a minion so now it's happening much more of because it's outside Factor good I I hear you want to know if let's say it's it's freezing let's say the somebody hosts a Friday night minion in his house for December January and February for three months so that also tant sha is that called a minion K rosha says if you just have a Friday night minion you say m I don't know if it's just for three months the places that you go facing the mountains July and August so that's that's even better than irid that's straight that's there you know but here just Friday nights I don't know why would why would why would said Friday would be worse than the cat go yeah cuz the cat skulls that's mu there what about thesei and I forgot which one it is has that he basically has Kat house there's a lot of non people that live on the same island and they basically come Chavis but he doesn't have during the week he makes it for shabas so consider you mean sure that just just shabas so that that's a that's a real Bas that's a real Bas even if it's only a shabas menu what I mean to say is we said has to be more than just a shabas but if it's a sh let's see a shabas a sh in the neighbor that's only open Shas that's that's that's a that's you have a sa that's a if it's only for two three days you that's a it doesn't mean that you have to have every single day and if you have every day only I didn't see right now anybody to say to speak it up yeah that's fine this person he has a minion every single shabas it's a minion kav it's fine however he pulls it off if he has a minion even if once in a while he doesn't pull it off he doesn't have a minion it's kav uh what's about oh so so said this is par if you're going to start now we went through all theas over here and let's say let's go you're going to go that a Friday night minion you say what's about the first Friday night you're opening up a Sho you're moving to a new neighbor the first Friday night it could be it's posit but in he says from his did kki that you say it so I'm just saying if you're moving to a new neighborhood you're starting a new Friday night minion you say it's not just because it's the first week if it's something that's going to continue you don't have to have anxiety what happens if it doesn't work out if you're opening officially a Friday night minion so you say man Chev if you go with theak they say every Friday night even though we spoke up until now that you say the only when it's not on a one time Friday night minion which that's clear says that if you say it if you say even in a one time Friday night brings pagm first of all what's the reason so the says it's actually in parentheses and theed explains that when his grandfather has in parentheses was about it in the parentheses says the says doesn't say the town out of the Town one all these the gar doesn't say that the gamar just says you always say man so that would be why the says for those that say even on a one time Friday I because it's all it's across the board but let's say they're saying it and you think it's wrong you shouldn't say it very good I want to I want to get back this very good I don't have a clear answer but in heart speaks about it we'll get to that in a minute says he says I'm I'm not so sure if it's the right thing it may even be there's another mock to say it the Ben brings the rashash not the rashash the rashash that cabala and he brings and others bring uh the k amongst others that some even want to be from say it says even though we spent last week in the to say the reason is that's just the reason always supposed to say it always say it yeaha it's not so not to go with that says also not to go with it even says that if you you look properly the way the you should say it and you shouldn't say it however this is pretty clear that the min to go is yet to say it even though to say it and we say you don't do it but they bring they all they bring to say it regardless even on a one time uh a one time minion to conclude this no this this Shila to conclude I want to I want to bring out an interesting Shila that happened inp pality was opening up parking lots they open new parking lots and then it was going to be open on shabas so theen took the streets all over they made AF what was AF DAV D Friday night in the street no violence just to D Friday night thousands of e to come together to DAV so the sh do you say m by that minion see us already foring Friday night maybe other good so do you say you you don't say it or the CRA doesn't say it that um what's it called that if you have a Shad my understanding was that if you have a shadow of dominion it's good oh oh very good so they asked R BR asked him what to do and he said that you say first of he said it's he said like this what we mentioned earlier says that if you have a regular minion and you elsewhere somewhere else you say it so here in the street maybe these four shoes this Sho came in the Bas what the shoes came out into the street so it's a Min instead of dinging on the street on K you say ITA we have over here interesting shist one time if you do say you don't say you're you're from B and you sh you know so it's a good child what do you do the has a CH about it he speaks about it he's no clear takeaway he makes about it what what do you talk do what do you talk do you're in a Sho to one time minion there let say but you hold not it's if if you could cop if if you think it's going to be a child don't D you D and the minion Ding and they hold to say it not to say it is not so it's also not so simple these are a couple of more to speak about I want to just end with one more interesting interesting we mentioned last week that you could with says it's a big we wanted to say it's totally but say if you didn't Dam when you listen to the say the whole the whole you could be it's important to note it's important to note you could only be only not not upcoming upcoming is going to be shabas you can't be why not because in you don't make a mention of of we mentioned the last week's sh that m is only for shabas not for y we're not going into the reason but if you and you only say whatever only you don't make any mention of not so you can't be you can't be with that's a good the same would be this past we had you can't be with because he's no mention of and if you don't have you're not you repeat so may you can't this would this should come out the same thing also no you could be if you don't say it could be has a and then with this we concluding says brings it if this Friday night you forget doesn't have to be this Friday night could be any Friday night you forget and meaning to say you don't say in the summer so by you forgetting he made no mention noar that you have to D over you have to dve over but on a Friday night you don't have to D over why and there is no mention the only thing you mention of the second is you don't say you don't mention it so and you could be Friday night if you don't say you don't have to D over says the the one his grandfather that Friday night you foret you don't have to D you don't have to D over just like says if you don't say you don't have to D over cuz it's not mentioned so he says the same thing is also if you forget y because there's no but it's a because even though it's talking not mention Friday night you can't be speaks it out clearly he says that you can be with but you can't be with you cannot be which would come out only says you could be with you could only be with on regular Friday night not you don't have to over but on a Friday night of Friday night of you cannot be with the because there's no mention there's no mention has a person in mind because such come about here and there but I think by regular if someone doesn't know how to D he wants to be with he has to ask him good good that's a sh already past the time there are many also I just want to end off with one Mish one in a lot more to speak about like everything in the T the L we say is says these are this is min I think Min bells and the EM is is that if you look in the rambam the old G used to also be kind of but some question and now doesn't say but some question the comes the lotion is from what shame the son of no said so they say if shame gave this and he didn't feel that it's important just that have a wonderful shabas