The Baba Elazar - Part 1 (Ep. 335)

Hi, this is Emilowski and welcome to the Remowski show. Thank you for that warm welcome. And whether you're watching with our friends over at Tor anytime, our producers or wherever you watch or listen to your podcast, as always, we are delighted to have you along for the experience. And we haven't had an interview episode in a very long time. And I have been waiting for this individual. and borashem uh as as you will hear there the concept of serendipity does not exist everything is mamishim and so I bumped into him and I said I've been waiting to interview you and I tracked him down so we'll talk about that but first our sponsor for this episode by Alexander Vinnick in honor of his wife Mikal Vinick with great appreciation I don't know why I try to read without my glasses Anyway, I lost my eyesight in my 40s. Um, for everything she is doing for our family and for to my children and their hard lifetics other people are afraid to talk about. You bet. Absolutely. Okay. Um I will give the briefest of introductions because uh you know I have been accused on occasion uh when I have um when I have guests on that I talk too much. People say you know you talk too much. I said well it is my show but they said yeah but we want to hear everyone else. I said well know except for you everybody else I could say well you could just go and watch them online you know but I don't think you're online. I don't think you've uh you've done any of these recordings before or interviews. Well, >> okay. So, this is Mamish premere. So, here it's uh I I used to say you it's not Donald Trump, but now Barashem I have Donald Trump. So, uh you know something exclusive. Um for for my listeners, uh Dr. Mati Stern. You probably know him from his ads in various Jewish publications where he advertises that he does dental implants and um and that's where most people are familiar with him from. He has a he advertises around. He has a practice here in also in New York. Yeah. He also lectures on the topic of of implants. I know I know that for a fact that you once were at a major conference where you were discussing your techniques. He also uh uh is an expert in TMJ and that's in addition to all the regular dental work etc. But to say that Dr. Stern is a dental implant specialist is like saying the Rambam is best known for his medical career or sandla was a shoemaker. Yeah. This is not uh anybody who knows Dr. Stern and understands that he is a tremendous Tom with many many years of learning and I had discuss of of learning with him for a short while until he found somebody more impressive but at least for a short while [laughter] I had this to be able to learn together and I have to say in addition to all of the Torah that he has to say and he's really just a frustrated you know majal work on the side he told me once because it's just he says people come in here. They haven't been able to eat an apple in years. They walk out, they can eat an apple. So he looks at everything that he does as a and I I stress that because I said here in I mean what happens when people can't pay? So he what do you mean I have a card like in America when you have uh yiskar appeal and it's the first number is zero and it goes up from there and just bend over the tab for how much you think you can pay, you know. So it it's it's he does this because he cares about people and and he has that skill just like the Rambam had the ability to be able to help people and he had to use that skill but his life is a life of Tyra but that's not why he's here the reason is because Dr. Stern is Mikare to many very special Kasha people in Cayov. Uh I went with him to Shir by Reisha Shapiro. He was always running out the door afterwards to go to a by the Reba, you know, and other people. But that's not the reason that I have him on the show for this episode. I hope it'll be many more. And that is that he had a special relationship with the Baba Lazar. Now for those of you who are unfamiliar, the Baba Salali had a grandson who is known as the Baba Lazar who was in Beesva. He had another grandson, the Baba Davidid, who is in Naharia, who is his brother. And um I I could tell you stories, but they're only what I heard from Dr. St. Whatever whatever I heard in a inconceivable event, one of his followers came in and stabbed him to death. When was the when was this? >> Actually, next week is the yard site. >> What is it? >> I think it was 13 years approximately. >> No, no. What's the date? >> Zakamos. >> 27th of Tamos. >> 27th of Tamuz. And he was stabbed to death. It was outrageous. I mean, there was a story where someone came in and and slapped him. You know what I mean? But but to stab someone to death, a person of this caliber, it's it's mindboggling. >> The first time since Gadalia that uh was killed of another Gabra who was murdered by uh by some of his people, you know. So because the earth is coming up I thought this is a golden opportunity to ask mati to share with us insights into baba. So before we get there who is mati story where did you come from? >> Before I say that if anyone wants to get some sort of appreciation of Dr. Bravalovski's sense of humor which I don't have to endorse the mere fact that he invites somebody like me I think reinforces that. So I am uh amused by your sense of humor as always. Wow. Where am I coming from? That's that's really a very loaded question. I think more important is where am I going? >> No, I don't care where you got >> and even more than [laughter] more than even who am I that I'm still trying to figure out. >> I'm from Bar Park. >> Grew up in B park. >> Um went to >> no Zionism really uh in the blood or in the family. >> And yet you've been living in there throughout >> for over 40 years. And uh in seventh grade I saw the first Rashi embraces and I said I don't get it you know like tell me it's somewhere else in the tar like what was the importance and I I uh I delivered groceries. I'm going to keep it short. Deliver grocer. The bicycle with a big basket in the front. They don't have that in Israel. Maybe in PA they have it. Um maybe not even that anymore. And for a quarter of delivery uh I I saved up $250. And >> what you dare do? >> What's that? >> What did you dare do? >> We'll get that in a second. Uh, when I had $20, $50, I brought a British Airway charter ticket to come to Israel and I rolled up my sleeves and I put on my sandals and I said, "I'm coming back here." There was something about it that we connect to only to find out later and everything. >> And what age was it? >> It it started in seventh grade and the ticket was uh culminated in 10th grade when I was 14 years old and I came summer. Um but what was really interesting is that through the years and I can't really explain it that that an unusual gift somehow that the Bam um I don't know somehow I was in touch and grew up at the footsteps of the greatest GDM both uh in Torah and Laavil professionally people are people if they met them once in their life so if I grew up in the lap of satn What we how you how did you >> if my rebby if my rebby was uh was the son of a brook from Kelm uh if we in the summer swan lake by Rodenski spent summers with Marsha Fin and we grew up on his lap and so there was such a diversity that I became uh I became intrigued by what was the common denominator by these people who were so different from each other and the answer were there were there were certain commonalities even though there very big differences but the la professionally too I won't mention the names on Arizona there but I have the tremendous privilege of of being mishamish being mishamish uh walking in everything I have I got from somebody else sort of like a magician uh many say that what I do there's no one else who can do what I do but the answer is it's really I took from here I took from there I took from there for example Raia funal was rigid in principle and flexible in procedure. He was so rigid and he knew the so well that he could allow himself the flexibility. If you didn't have that what yes what no you couldn't have that liberty and again we can get the story you know the fact that we came to a lot >> was that the beautiful you should eat it not be we can't go into that now but yeah we went to M Shapiro and he didn't talk uh he never talked like he didn't know who I was for 10 years and one day I said to my wife I said I'm I'm not coming to share anymore. The kids are growing up and you know and boom that day I met him uh somewhere in a third place and I told them I was thinking of uh he was moving then to Sanra Mov. We were in together and I said I was thinking of not even before I said anything they said the shir tonight at 6:00 sharp in San Mov that was the end of that and after that we got very very very close >> was never sharp at anything. Why? It was never sharp at any time. >> But uh so we had a very close relationship when once you got to know Mosha. I mean it was like a whole different emotion and it was we had this and every summer we would uh not every we would travel uh to uh to uh Vna to uh to all the places in the world Holland with Robert Slita and I'm sure Hartman and and all the greats and that was probably the guy the Gabber Shamas over there but these you know the really the top guys and there was a came out that no one really knew he would like be very open and very fraud and one of the kudos I want to bring up As I mentioned, Rabol Satosha Feinstein was the incredible crossover between the Lithuanian andidic worlds. Ram Moha came he would never call a kidic rabbi. He was an absolute authority on it was unbelievable but never mentioned him by name in his but he would ra you mentioned is an absolute bastard of literature. He has uh he has it on on his fingertips. The nom by heart and everything and to see this blender barl pavarski schlita who later when we get to our stories I know everything is sort of runs around but um we used to go every year also I went with him uh >> I should explain that you know Dr. has that when when you think of something you need to say it >> right not it's not it's not mine zal said if the malik puts in your head you need to say it and it's a chain reaction and we could be here until the morning >> so I knew I knew it's going to be freestyle >> but I know what we're talking about didn't matter but >> you never mentioned the sata I never heard you mention him >> okay well >> why' you have a catch with him >> I'll answer everything is is such a long story but [laughter] Roberto Pavorki revealed to me I had a car my great-grandfather father wrote a uh a story the ninth story in his safarm raim that nobody could understand all the good most shas and uh basically the balmto met his brother-in-law the region kit he saw on his forehead that he was overily the whole thing made no sense because the ram says so and so and I can't go into detail now there's no such ramb but we don't pos and I asked every Russa and releer uh zatal said take it out of safer. It's a bizoan to your grandfather, great-grandfather that you wrote such a thing. And the tone said, "Write a footnote. We don't have such a ramblars turns out, had a very close relationship with Roberto Satner." Very close. In fact, there's a uh in Mishba magazine, there was a whole article on his relationship with the Satma Rebi. The reason I bring that, if I made the verse, but you'll stop me if I'm I'm going off the track because I think I'm getting where you where you want to get >> wherever you want to go. I'm I'm holding on for deal. So what was the issue? The answer is we don't know. You know, God runs the show and he puts you where you belong. You think you go uh again the stories could go till the morning. You think you're going to Arizona for a conference and you're really going to meet somebody and the stories are endless. And talking about stories, uh I shared with you uh years ago uh a book that I had written that had about uh 200 stories. all firsthand clear not that heard it either I was involved or I heard and I want to just say a note here used to say unless you heard it from Ravshak's mouth directly and you're a thousand% sure you heard what you heard you're not allowed to repeat it so what I wrote there is stuff that I heard directly but and here's the story I used to go with Roberto Pavorarski to Holland so I was in the forest in Holland with Robero Pvarski We had like uh we would go there to learn for like a week with a few with some fellows from mainly from England. And I went there to finish up the safer. I was riding and I'm sitting there in middle of the forest whatever and the Roberki walks by. He says, "What's that?" Now, I didn't show this to anybody. You'll hang in there because this story >> I'm keep I'm trying to keep it short because don't the shortest story takes an hour and the shortest version but this one summarizes a lot of what I have to say and I'm going to preface it with some sofa but first the story >> so Roberto Pavarski Schlita walks by and he says to me what is that it was still in the spiral in the you know I was editing it and I started you know trying not to answer because I didn't show it to anybody and he said could I take it I guess you know so he took this he took it for He came by the next day, 24 hours later. He said, "I'll never forgive you in my life." I said, "Why?" He said, "I was up all last night. I couldn't put it down. I know that every word here is true. I just didn't believe that there was somebody like that in our generation. Could you please meet me after the Shia?" And after the Shia, we went walking in the forest like the famous uh uh in the forest with Bar as we walked as he asked me about this, he asked me about that, asked about this, about that. So we're going to fast forward because the one of the reason and Rabbi David didn't allow me to give out the safer except for individuals that he okayed with uh Abu sonita the same thing >> why >> the answer is that he said the world is not ready for it now I wrote these stories and I don't believe them and there were many that I took Valium two three times during the stories and I'm going to give you Dr. Dasam sulfur in in a story in in a but Shapiro Zatal asked me by the way he's the one who told me to write the safer the day after Zazar passed away I walked to buy >> catch it with >> by the gun he asked me great questions each one takes us to a whole new thing what's going the answer is he always begged to meet him and it never went out and the same thing where Kany were in the same building wanted to meet Baba Alaza >> right no raz and they wanted each other and even though they were in the same building the time wasn't ready for it as mosha would ask all the time and we tried to set it up it never happened his son Abuas is a Tomlin move he learned on Fridays until his passing away and in fact he had gives a share every Wednesday night with hundreds of several hundred people it's packed and he always says everything I say here is really about Mosha's Torah so there's just a crazy blend there between the worlds in any case to make a long story short as short as I didn't make it. Uh so Shapi asked me to take him to a wedding in Burva in a place that neither neither of us had ever been and uh we were running a little bit late and he said, "Oh, the Rebesson made vegetable soup. Have some vegetable soup." And I said, you know, she has a PhD in philosophy. She doesn't know how to make vegetable soup [laughter] and I don't like vegetable soup. I got to tell you, it was amazing vegetable soup. >> She used to make the best arabis and fur. >> So So she had So we're going to get to Por in a second. That's another [laughter] story. So I take one, two, three. I said, "Let's go." So no, no, he wouldn't leave until we finished the soup even though we were running late. Okay, we went in the cars, we're going. I says, "Okay, if we talk in learning." So he says, "Sure." So we talked about and basically said that this was the and the whether we say, and we hold your own. So as we approached and I I made a wrong turn of like I thought three times that week. I apologized to him on Purum. I said I'm sorry that I you know I went we were talking learning so three times six times he said [laughter] anyway we got late to the wedding and he was an aid kaducian and he said that the aid kaducian is more important than the misaducian because a kadouch has to be cautious the mass kaducian could be the janitor and he didn't say that word janitor in any case he didn't speak to anybody because he went up we were late he was an aid and shook took him to Benra to another wedding about 2 in the morning. Uh David I never really spoken to in my life except for hello whatever you just look at him and you start shaking. Uh >> more than bad >> well not more than but uh you start shaking but I want to answer your question why he answered but I can get to in a second why he said not to give out the safer. So uh at 2:00 in the morning I had had a few drinks which was customary in those circles and uh it was late at night and uh Rabbi Davidid comes over to me and you have to know that they have these long triple fingers and he points he says oh on the way to as we're approaching I said can I say aart he said yeah I said that uh that if we do that gave over the hanoga he gave over the world running the world to the Jews if we do a mitzvah like the we do a mitzvah Well, it brings to the world. If you do a ver, it brings den to the world. How do you bring den on the go? If you're doing a vermo said new, >> you have to be there new. Anyway, >> I always got that. I asked him when do you when do I get a new and when do I get a new? >> So, I stopped asking fisher question because that's what I used to get. There were guys that got answers because they knew what to ask. I asked like anyway, so he goes noo-noo. So, uh, this is, you know, on the way to the wedding and he goes and I'm at the wedding at 2:00 in the morning. He comes over me. He puts his hand around my neck. He says, I'm on my my shoulder. He says, "If I tell you something, will you listen?" I said, "Yeah, for sure." >> Who is it? >> Abu. So, he says, "First of all, what you said in Holland was a kid." I said, "How does the R know I was in Holland?" Said, "You were in Holland three times. I'll tell you what you said each time. [laughter] We can't make these stories up." So, okay, I start shaking a little bit. And he says, "And the safer you wrote," and he show to anyone. He says, "And the safer you wrote, I know that every word is true, but the world is not ready for it." Over 400 years, aim is such a phenomenon in Kisro since before the Bam. He said, "I know it." It used to go like this. You know it and the wall knows it, but the world doesn't know it. It's too much for the world. And he basically alluded to Zerakaris the rupture. So who said that the world k Shakai the god Shakai comes the word shadim that uh the child will be flooded if you bathed him with all this at one time. So because made the world shadim come out slowly he said well maybe uh shabish will put out one or two stories. Well 13 years have passed and this year I sent you a couple. We started putting out one or two or three stories at a time. So basically >> what about the aren't big people entitled to see it? >> So I had some of the biggest people who asked and I can't even tell you who they are and uh so they asked I have a copy. He said for sure but I already knew that I have to ask. So I said you know this Adoir or this whatever Rosha said that he could have a copy and he said absolutely not. Wow. >> So it was by the way it was minor musa that day when a moa told me to never saw it. >> Moa edited the whole safe. Oh, so he did see it >> saw. So >> was he impressed? >> Not only was he impressed he said I told him said and said he said I will convince them. >> Oh yeah >> and he was not able to and if you know >> but to make a long story >> he could be a force of nature when he wants. So we're sitting there on Shabas and Bagan and he wanted to hear another story another this is a day after Bazar went and uh if like listening to two three hours of these stories that are forget it you know you can't make them up is um if the rabbit says to me she should be well uh you think it was about mifus you think he could do miracles like I was looking there whatever so she says you have to write the safer so I wrote the safer and he reviewed it the whole safer and then they said so I give out selectively maybe 20 copies. I don't know how much over the years we gave our uh I mentioned for the for the thanks thank you Iranians thanks to the Iranians in the war. Uh I had I hadn't written another story in all the years and during the Iranian war I wrote another several hundred stories. I got to close to 800. I'm talking about firthand stories. But I write an introduction to my book which is called Bel Lazar. I wrote [snorts] brings a story in the Hagada about four guys who tried big bash bring Mashiah and Taranto begged them not to bring it there as a dly something like that it's not exactly something like that and he begged them not to do it and they didn't listen and this monster like the Lochess monster appears and the battle that went on between them and Sulfur describes this like crazy story like off the charts. Uh she says >> this is not really a story. It's in you can look it up and I saw another safer I'll say afterwards. So it says listen if you don't believe this story I won't consider you a coffer and if you do believe a uh I'm going to say Hebrew words on this thing sure and if you do if you do believe it I won't consider you a Tom but right I have to write it because it happened. So if I wasn't there, I wouldn't believe these stories. But let me tell you the catch with these stories and and this is just for Ozara. This really started uh the BA and we have a tremendous casher with you know across the board and unfortunately they don't come they I don't go to them they come to me. So I take advantage you know if he needs a half hour appointment I give an hour and uh I won't mention names here but the greatest of our time that was and um >> people need teeth. Yeah. Well, sure. [laughter] And each one is a story in itself. But uh I write so I write an introduction. I say if you don't believe one word of these stories, I wouldn't hold it against you for a minute, but I was there. I have to write that. So they go endless. I just want to say one word other word and then you'll ask if you have something else is about this this this dynamics between the Lithuanian world and the kidic world. And I remember when I went to Vigin uh where I learned it was yes. So he was the youngest helmet of Bhan Vasim and he slept with him when he was 16 they slept together in the same room and after the war he survived didn't uh he was the youngest helmet who came out and probably I forget where I'm coming from um whatever we'll come back to that so uh yeah go on maybe it'll come through >> so the the the stories Like when you tell a story like this about uh Baba Davidid that he knew about the book that nobody had seen that to me is like you know I used to say when I would go to Misha as Shirro and he would start with some Arial or Zoya Kadesh or Guri >> that was already out in outer space and he would take off from there. I just held on. I I had no idea was going when he would take something that was so simple. I'm miss uh something that I had seen a hundred times and and do magic with it. You know, I was a magician when I was a teenager, you know, and they say >> I'm still the that that uh the problem with magic props are when you have like a big box with like, you know, a hat with a rabbit coming out of it. Everyone knows there's a trick box, you know. When you take regular things, you take a coin, you take this, you do. Magic is unbelievable. That's how I felt with Raisha when he took somebody that I knew. So, um, so a lot of the stories are mind-blowing, but the story with the Mayo Torah story to me is is what's so amazing because it's so simple and yet how in the world could Baba possibly know that I I'm only thinking. >> So, let me answer that because I remember of Lynn. How do you how do you see everything? He goes, you never leave your room. He says, if you're in the big tower, remember what I wanted to say with Optivvio but before that >> it's what I coined professionally as well I was recently in a conference in Las Vegas and really big guys that they're really very gifted very they're making things more and more and more complicated and I have an allergy to things complicated I like to keep things simple and theness is in the simplicity and this what I learned from Moa and Raoa uh is the goess and simplicity just as you said but to answer your question before I get back to Repuvia is that I cannot explain these stories but I cannot deny them and this is very important because it comes with a coralary one is they happen I mean either I'm a genius bigger than a shai in writing stories [laughter] I don't have when okay like I told you before I haven't read a newspaper in over 30 years I haven't opened the radio in over 30 years I don't even know what a podcast is forgive me uh not because I'm very religious because I just don't have time for it um So uh they happened and I feel on one hand I need to share them. On the other hand you know the div in fact ask you know it's ga I always I tell the a lot of the rebaver. I say I admit I'm a big bgya. I treat this reb and this reba this reb this reb but at least I don't brag about my jaguar about my private plane. This is my ga. This is my gyver. So gave the butt and here's the big butt. This is the big butt. It's m to have such a close relationship with people from a different planet who see from one end of the world to the other. And if you remind me I'll tell you the story about that with uh with um we get off the track with uh uh Zatal and you know you can't explain it and you don't have to explain everything. You have to know that you don't know. And here's the big butt again. And it's MKV who you need to become. Arabel Zar used to say what he was I he took you out of your comfort zone. I don't mean like like double what you could do. I mean like tenfold. I want you to go do this and this and you go like there's no way I could do this. And I was say I said Rob I said with all due respect I don't think I could do that. And he said what? What? He said I say you can do it and you can't. He said, "If you're right, why do you come to me? And if I'm right, he didn't say those words. Shut up and just go do it." Okay? [laughter] And uh he had a point. Okay? So, we learned and he was always right. He was always right. And I think one of the lessons there was um to realize how really untapped potential you have and where you can go with it. But I want to get back to to Repuvio because when I say I went for my interview to Yeshiva. So my father had the classic fight with the reptovia about theum and the msnagdum back and forth back and forth because you have to keep in mind that probably 80% of the >> I'm answering the question right now about 80% of the uh uh tiden in Lakewood come from backgrounds about 80% of the people in Ponovich come from backgrounds and even in the datumi world uh if it's in marazovka whatever they come from backgrounds So we asked uh so my father said you know what after the fight went back and forth to said you know what I have to admit one thing when we were in Siberia he said well we made a kakira we look into how far do you have to go for a minion how cold does it have to be ped from a minion already in the minion is that how far how cold does it have to be to be exempt from a suka how far do you have to go already ate in the suka and so we asked Likenstein who was the youngest of hutnatal uh he was 12 years old they called him babes because the next youngest guy was 20 and he sent into learn where >> rafuta said they were I'm sure Hartman said but maybe it's not for the podcast I'm sure Hartman has a letter from his father if you're taking me there already that um uh Hutn he went to visit I forget his name in Queens of >> uh >> Epstein. >> No, Sheldon >> or Shfeld. >> No, whatever. So, it was a picture of Cook on the wall and uh and Rafner said, "Me, you and him have the same nama." And he he had the the letter of Yeshua Hartman who you all know for the moral. So, uh okay. So, my father said the following and I never forgot it. And he said, "You know, you're right. If it wouldn't be for the Lutvakers, for the Mustagum, we wouldn't have taught it today." But if we didn't have them, we wouldn't have who to teach it to. Wow. So we asked her likenstein. We said, "Who will prevail in the end?" Now he's a briskera's son-in-law. A real briska black and white ramba man. Photographic memory. Black and white. Slept maybe I don't know 3 hours, four hours a night. And we asked him, "Who will prevail in the end?" And he blew me away. He said, "Who should prevail or who will prevail?" And I said, "What do you mean?" He said who should prevail the ludfak because that's the proper way to go. Who will prevail? The because that's what people need today. They need that warmth. They need that connection. They need uh that chemistry. So I had this course because you might ask who are you or where you coming from? I don't know because I I was exposed to so many greats in they're all giants and for me to quote Rabol Sadma and Rav Cook in the same breath no problem whatsoever. And I have no doubt they're both sitting next to each other uh in Geden. In fact, I I'll share with you a story of this week's para. The Imraas came to Eritus four times, but he came before the war and he went to visit cook and he saw him in the learning mima that every grain of sand in Israel has an ashama. And it was something I said on my own, but I was happy to see that he brings it both in bulock and in that just like there are 600,000 in the boys. So if there's means there's 600,000 there. Well, he says it bearish that just like there are there's an ice for every Jew in the Torah, there's a dollar amus over the land because everybody knew which was his ice. My mamuza I always used to say that just like you can't sell every gimmel in a safety for a billion dollars I kill Jacob it's your it's not your well which one is it? Well, they came to car No. They said, "Give me your land." He said, "I can't. I'll pay you so much. I can't." They said, "No, I got it from my father." Well, if you got it from your father, why can't you give it? Kill me. He killed him. Why? He said, "It's mine not to give away." Just like in a sor, you can't give away a letter in the sor. Even if you could run every coil in the world with that money, so too, you can't give away a dollar. I said today for the first time in a joking manner. I said because to be spread in the whole world. So I said um I think that today we have said we're going to have the so I sent over to one of the closest people of the GBI today and he said to me no much bigger than that even in any case we'll leave it at that. So uh okay. >> So how did you meet the Babel Lazar? So I understand how these other people you met in camp. You heard them here. >> Everything is a protest. I'll tell you the story. I'll tell you the story. >> Cuz where does a nice guy from Borak? >> Okay. >> You know, >> well you to a mish mishb edition that opens with that very question. How does a boy from Barak end up with the alazav? >> Right? >> And the answer is because God runs the world. >> All right. So, [laughter] so I'll give you the story, you know, time permitting, but you know, there's so many, but this is 1982 and uh yeah, Assat Mhas and Burva comes to me. His name was Horowitz. He had a tambour, a hardware store, Bur Cheva, and Rebel. I would never let him leave Bur Cheva. And I told him over a story when I was growing up. I used to work in the Memar uh while I was going through school. So, I was in Brighton Beach. And there's a girl Ruthie, I don't remember her real name. She was a Catholic and she was attracted to Judaism and her father was he was a real mafia guy and he wanted to kill her but she didn't believe in this stuff and every day about 2 3:00 this bub of aided would come walking by probably about two because his mother lived in that neighborhood aimer with the white socks and she would go isn't he cute isn't he cute and my father's go Ruthie I mean get real really you're a ballista you know oh you will be she wasn't even a Gary Well, to make a long story short, she >> she becomes a gay. She can marry a G. >> She became a gay and she married a and she married a ba and she has a beautiful family. And so I said, you don't know which girl in Burva is looking at you and saying, "Wow." So what if decided he had to be in Basha? In any case, he comes to me in 1982, but there was a little bit of mixup. I didn't know where Lazar yet. And uh he told him to see to see Dr. Wolf. He thought my name was Wolf. That was my partner's name. So, Dr. Wolf was too busy. So, they gave him to me. >> For what? You mean for? >> He had he had uh a choking growth in his throat. He went to Soka Hospital. They told him, "He has nothing. You don't have to worry." And I looked at I said, "This is Ludwig's journey. You could die within 24 hours." You know, it expands and chokes you off. So, I said, "Who is this robber? What is he? Does he have an X-ray machine?" Like, like, how did he know? I said, "Dr. Dr. Wolf, please come here and see this. So, he's also Dr. Wolf. I said, "No, I'm Dr. Stern. He's Dr. Wolf." And make a long story short, that was the beginning. So, uh invited me to come over. So, I went over curiosities. That's where I that's not where I came from. So, um I was pretty anti actually all this phenomenas, but uh so I went there to Mo Shabas and uh they said, "Okay, the rub said you could come in." I mean, a long line. I'm talking about long lines. It was this time of year is the art site and I think the last day yeah I was amused to watch the people coming you know coming out so excited with their faces all lit up and everything don't know he wants to see you right now and um so he starts talking to me starts talking to me in medicine he starts talking to me about implants I don't in Israel the the biggest professors didn't know he said what about this what all the nuances of the most intricate things were unbelievable cuz he it wasn't about money or about medicine. He would take your language. He had a photographic memory. So he would communicate with you where you were, who you were, and his art was that he could assess you in a second. The way you walked in, the way you walked, the way you talked, he got your number right away. And he would always try to take you one notch higher. So it didn't matter who you were, it was one notch higher. He never had great expectations. Uh I give you an example. the girls in my office in Burva were bashakov girls and they didn't cover their hair and I said to you they really respect me maybe I should talk to them about it said I forbid you to talk about it promise me you'll never talk about it in other words it had to come as a natural process I don't even tell you what I was even from to uh uh very very girl very very from family bar so yeah so that's where we basically met and slowly had a relationship he may believe he was my and and I'm going to tell you stuff that uh he would talk about stuff like I got to tell you a secret. He would tell me secrets and what why is he telling me these secrets? And the answer was cuz he wanted to see how long it was before the secret got backed him [laughter] and it never ever ever got back. So then he knew that >> he could trust >> he could trust me. I I got to give you two examples. >> Why do you have an office in Bereva? How did that come about? >> Very good question. Everything's a story. I tell you what other story first then we get sidetracked. Uh, okay. We'll go to the other story >> because you mentioned your office in Burva. So, I always wondered about that. What were you doing in Bashva? >> Yeah. So, people think that I work for a secret service. Why do I go America? I go to BVA. Okay. Whatever. Maybe I do. I don't know. In any case, um, my principal at elementary, this is a big boss here. I want to diverges for a tenth of a second. My principal is Rab Wolf. Rabbi Elias Schwarz from Toamis. If you ask to them as communists, he was a real uh you know straight academic type of guy, a tal of falsen uh a real educator. You know all the to misora what they had in those days with the Joe Kamki. Um but Robbie Wolf is different. He used to call me at his office and slam me every day. He would take the ruler and hit me and every day. I mean you know he had to keep me under control obviously. And I walked away loving him till his last day because he cared about me and he and I felt the love you know coming from him and uh show you how things go but uh Rav Goldstein from Shah Yosha wrote a safer on how you have to educate children today uh talidum so he writes well you know you have to build up the self-esteem and they have to feel good about themselves and he gives the whole book on you know the new map you know the new approach and then the last pan Last chapter he says he all day >> and slapped the >> gave two coins >> and then he you know were you there I was there for sure you know and uh it worked if my father hit me I used to kiss his hand it was an honor to be hit like Mosha Benu said I don't says I don't want you to heal my lip I said this is for God touched me you know so he he didn't want it to be healed it was it was it was it was the greatest honor so God I don't know where you're coming from so Thanks for sharing. >> So uh so very long. So I'm I'm a resident in my hospital in B park and uh this Rabbi Wolf who lived in Crown Heights. He was also like the first auxiliary policeman, a big guy, was also a chiropractor. And um you know he used to come to class and uh Robbie Arbuff's class, those of you who might know him, is he would uh pull the nail out of the wall, he would twist it, put it on the desk. If anybody gives you trouble, send send it to me. [laughter] So I'm in the I'm in the uh in the emergency room in my man's hospital as a resident and uh Robbie Wolf is there. You know I have a nephew in Burva uh his name is Wolf uh uh Dovey Wolf. Oh very nice. His father was Freddy Wolf the rabbi of Great Nick. Some of you might know the >> Oh yes. Yeah. So his father was Ry that was he was the very different type of people >> in any case. Okay. So the next day I had a conference in uh in the Javvis center and uh or I think that it was actually in the Hilton maybe before the Javvis center and there are 60,000 doctors and whatever and uh sure enough I see a guy you know wolf so I go over to him so he starts talking to me how you have to come to Israel he's going into miluim he's going into reserves and I have to come I said to myself you know I want to go to Israel I got three little girls you know what it is to have three little girls >> I know what it's like to have eight little girls >> right so real love used to say I don't have eight girls I have eight dearas I have eight apartments [laughter] in any case I have three little girls which brings us to another story because when I came to I come back to wolf is I brought a friend of mine who's not alive anymore unfortunately so he sat with him for about an hour which was unusual and he said that you shouldn't come for no reason uh you should have kn up on him you should have kn from your well literally means from your boys but it means from your children. So I said, "Get that off." I said, "You know, I have three girls." He slammed on the table. He said, "A son, you'll have sons. Are you going to have?" I said, "But my wife had three cicerans already." He said, "So what?" My wife had four already. And every time his wife had one, I had one. Well, to make a long story short, three boys were born after that here in Shrol. And um so the first boy was born. My wife was in uh in Mount Scopus in uh in Hadasa and she was on the John seizure. So I said okay let me go down to Burva give the gundo I had a son. So I go down he says what's his name? I said I happen to know his name. I thought maybe his father didn't give the name before the board. I don't know. So I told him it's a great name. I want you to be the mayo. So I said a little bit. I said with three daughters I'm not exactly experienced. said, "No, you'll go to Yosulah and whatever and you'll learn and I'll be the sonic." >> Oh. Then he says to me, "No, >> he was going to come to us or you going to bring you he had to bring the Ba." So he said, "If I come for what?" He said, "You know what? Be my me. I'll come for the next one." And my next one said, "For the next one. In the meantime, I'm in Mount Scopus. I don't know what his yos is." Guy comes by with a car. Chief moral of Israel, Yosella. He doesn't let anyone do the bris now he don't but then he didn't and uh so I told him so whatever so he let me so he came who the bab came each time and uh as I did the brisster for for my three sons >> if you remember that one >> sure >> and then so getting back to Rabbi Wolf Wolf in this so for a whole year his wife sent me letters you know you remember the old letters there was wax paper they could fold this expanded over and immigrants. >> You know what a letter is anymore. Anyway, it took three weeks to get there and every week I got two of them and I said to Michael, "Listen, let's just go to Israel, get our feet." That was the best thing we ever did cuz my wife was miserable. Miserable. And um every day, every day we're going back to America. Going back to America. I said, "Miriam," I said, "Listen, I hear the arguments once a year. I'm in a residency. This is it. at the end of the year we'll go to Yamamel to the Dead Sea and we'll sit and discuss the pros and the cons and make a decision and live with it for the year. So we were there for two and a half years which is the best thing ever happened because I met Rezard and everything that followed from it. I still go and uh had I moved to in those days chances are we would have ended up moving back to America like most of the people. >> So you went straight to Yeah. So we went straight to Burva and my wife was miserable. So when we came to Jerusalem, it was a haven and my wife won't even go back for a visit today. >> Wow. >> So that's some of it, >> right? So uh so like I said, I mentioned this story because this to me is is the is the magic trick with the coin which is so simple. Tell the story with with the myra because I love that one. >> Okay. >> It's not it's not a blow away, but it's to me it made a deep impression. to answer another question. Uh turns out wrote down all of his terra immaculously and they have not published anything yet. >> Uh and it was only one piece they ever published. This is this week's para on what was the sin of banana kamar. It's called he says if you read this letter uh at least once a week I promise you anything you'll ask for. I like to interesting enough but he he never let us publish anything and they keep on talking and publish I can't even tell who's behind it the biggest group in Israel is behind it but his son is very against telling his is his is his is his his his misim his miraculous stories he was an awesome uh there wasn't it wasn't anything like a mo there wasn't anything he didn't know example when we were in Holland believe it or not one of the hottest parts of a moa was we go back and forth have hope is uh he would blast Labavaji never by name. He called him the varus but he would never he would blast him every week and I would get depressed for it. I wasn't but uh anyway and then I would go to TA like you mentioned to just cheer up a little bit. Uh in any case um we were in Holland and we just >> because he was close to a bunch of others. >> Brings another story. Absolutely. again we go off we could be here all night but uh we were in Holland in the airport and he tells a guy couldn't come she came to every trip but she couldn't come to that trip she wasn't feeling well so he sent somebody to pick up a pocketbook in the story in in the store in the airport so did I forget the booklet I wrote on they also let me give it out but this is this one I could sort of whatever for editing reasons I could share it uh so he tells somebody to bring him a pocket book and so they bring him three four pockets pocket books. He looked at each pocket book like he was looking at a shagasar with a rog. He turned it looked at it back forth till he such this is the one for my wife and then somebody brings him at the barre weekly bar reading and I couldn't believe it. I don't know if he said he told me he read every go to kabad they have a hundred he read every one from cover to cover so he was wellversed in it whatever because of the mashia phenomena and whatever of shak's position and and he agreed with it but okay here's the story you asked um my rabbi of Kelb's son you know we didn't know who these guys were Uh but >> that's one thing you told me I always say over. Yeah. He says whenever you would ask him a question he goes the first answer is I don't know and then he says >> if you say that already learn every >> I say it all the time in your name learn every Friday is 100 years old today amazing and even though I don't align with his ideologies which he brings in every single week he blasts >> but he's got some beautiful >> blast the medina and uh but you A god was a god. That's what I, you know, I want the in the godless. I want the common uh phenomena. And then I have to remember where I'm coming from. You have to hold on like the the one. >> Okay. So I go to but before that I'm in my house and my rebel. You also say you know the other thing the thing you always should say bosses are men's a school and a machine. What is a man a screw in a machine? I know what it means. Although I used to say this often. Ves are men school. Okay. I'm learning by table one shabas and the night before a day before I'm going to America and also to be very close with is he brings there in his toer tora he brings a altar fromka that he explains a schooner machine. What is a man a schooner machine? >> He said it. >> Yeah. He doesn't use those words but the thought is there. So he says basically as follows. What do you mean? We put on white clothes to believe that a n will happen. You're not going to believe in a n. So he says he said you're all standing here before me. He says if you come before God as an individual you don't have a shot. I don't want to say where a shot. you don't have a shot. But if you're part of a bigger machine and you're a rusty screw and there's no replacement and it's on the floor and they see the rusty screw, rusty, not rusty, they give it a full full blow and they put in the machine. He says, "Your ticket is that you're part of the big machine." I was so excited. I called up my friend uh from Tene Goldberg and he was like his muvik and I said I got I got to tell you this I I got to meet him. I got to tell you this. Anyway, I went the next day and it's interesting because Salah told me to go to caver. He was a tremendous he thought he was the greatest in fact remember we were in the country he said the delegation to the satire they had an issue then. So he's told these guys do meas don't talk to him in learning don't talk to them in learning well they talked him in learning and they came back okay so he was a tremendous Lazar used to say Rafak used to say I can argue with his with his with his shittas with his >> with his principles whatever but I can't argue with his holiness and he used to say the same thing I'm not a Zionist I'm not an anti-ionist but whatever so they got away from um yeah so we meet up we meet and maybe he's listening to hi and um and um she said what are you doing today I told you to go to to Dri to the tool sap I didn't know what was behind it which brings us to another story of course so it was a big major snowstorm It took us about 10 hours to get there. >> Bam. >> From Bor Park to Monroe. And in fact, by the time we got over the bridge, the windshield wipers were frozen. So my my friend, who I told you is not alive anymore, from my own cha, I took a broom and I was like sweeping the thing. We got there just before dark in the evening. And um but um Oh, so I told I said, "Do me a favor. I haven't seen Islam 30 years. Do me a favor. Next time I'm in. We have to go see him. So that day also, oh, so he told me, okay, I don't know where he lives. I mean, he used to live in Bur Park. He calls me up on Monday when I'm like a ghost. I was walking Manhattan. Where do I see him? Said because he's still above us. And I called out, but he didn't hear me. He was 83 already. And he got on the maybe 93. I don't know. He was uh he got >> difference. >> He got whatever, but we were that age, you know, whatever. So, but I saw on the bus it said Monies. So, I knew he lived in Monies. So, after you finished by So, we gave him a call. We looked him up and we gave him a call. Could we come by? He said, "No." He thought we're collectors, you know, whatever. I said, "No, no, no, no, no. We just had we just want to come or free. We just want to say thank you to whatever." Okay, but I could only give you five minutes. Like the famous letter of the Rambam, you know, where he didn't have five minutes a day for learning. uh he was so occupied with his medical stuff or whatever. So we went into him and uh he was working on the 18th volume of Tyra. So we asked him if we could sponsor the volume. So he said >> whether it's by put up by him. >> Yeah. Put up by him. It says no further. So I asked him I said uh could we sponsor the volume? So he said no no no. He said if you just learn that that will be the sponsorship. So finally he took a dollar from each of us. So he took us down to the basement where he was working. I said to use a computer. I asked him to use a computer. He laughed. He took me down to the the basement and he had these index cards all over the table. It's all organized his index card. Anyway, we come upstairs and they sat by Rebel Lazar all the time. I would tell Rebelazar the most ingenious God's gift to the world insight into the Tyra. How's your wife and children? You know he was [laughter] never ever ever say wow I found the answer said that sometimes the this you get you lose all your scar so if you need to get it is one thing which brings us to another story this friend of mine who passed away and we have to come back to the original story my other chera forgive me what can I tell you is not prepared there's much more so um I forgot what to tell you yes So uh bazar says to me you go in to be man my friend for one day Friday shabas night you come back oh by went to sat by that time to rebi when he was finished he said you come home I'm coming next week he had never been here oh the stories are one and the other years ago he was he it he was had a haircut in burva and somebody said of died and you're having a haircut he stayed half shaven and he wouldn't complete the haircut he went to Who is this? >> Rabbi Lazar. He went to his he went to his father Baba Mayor and he said, "Should I take this serious?" He says, "Yes, the day will come. You're going to have to go ask for forgiveness." And 20, 30 years has passed. And uh I'm there in America. And he says, "You come home and then I come." I no, I'll wait. No, no, you come home and then I'll come. It's like you're there. So about a hundred guys went with him. It was amazing. And um he said he had had a dream that the samurai came to him. I have the keys to panos and Yeshua. Come and pick them up by the cavern. And this was a sign. And he went he went to the cavern. When he went there, they said the whole way over there. He said the whole I don't really do. >> The amazing thing is today every time I go to America, I go once in five weeks for four days. So the first stop my surgical assistant won't come unless we go to the Bobby Sherby's caver. unheard of today. There's never by the caver. So this is you know what's happening in the new world. Oh god where were we? So uh so um >> at that point I know so we're back to skipping we're back to and uh so I tell him over this ingenious Torah and he doesn't even respond on you don't even look at me. So my friend not the biggest tab at he didn't go to yeshiva and so he tells him over a of something he goes wow that's amazing he said where did you see that he said the mayor I thought I was going under the ground >> those you not familiar is considered like a a very simple work of collecting >> at the shabas table >> like people who are simple people read the mur to get a an idea. You know, my brothers and I would talk in Torah for an hour at a time. My father would fall asleep and when he would wake up, he said, "Okay, let's say it var you know." So, you that was his concept of Tara, which is okay. In any case, so uh he says, "I saw my he goes wow that's absolutely amazing." He walking out and like wow. I don't go like I just told him this this stuff that puts him into and here he gets all the part. Okay. I left it at that. I come back to Israel. So, uh, Rabbi Lazar says there was no remember because he was waiting for guys to come back. He said, "I don't know where they go. They're over here, but okay, they want to go. Uh, we'll wait for them." So, uh, I'm about to walk out. Oh, two things happened then. When I was in America, I have a very good friend, Jeff. He should be well. Is he took me to a Nick game with his son and my and my son. Yeah. And I really like the Knicks. You know, my biggest day in life was when I was in yeshiva in Israel. There was a big snowstorm and I was >> You know, they just won. >> I know that. Okay. >> So, I I don't know if you know. >> I wouldn't I wouldn't normally know, but I did know. >> Uh so, I was in like an outhouse that the ba the forgive me the bathrooms were outdoors or a big snowstorm. Big snowstorm. And I'm sitting there freezing. And I overheard somebody say, "The Nick's one. Nick's swan." And it didn't move me. I knew that Barbash I was there. In any case, he said, "Let's go to a nickave." I went to a nick and when I came back so while waiting for these guys says to me you know and I've been to South Kever on that same trip. So soil says to me you know as a guy went to Amsterdam and he he he went he he oh when I came back I told my wife I went and they came she said for what? For what? For what? Like why do you have to expose yourself? For what? And she just kept on saying for what? Okay. So, by railar and he tells me the guy went to Amsterdam to watch a soccer game Mandial or something. He came back. I said, "For what? For what? For what?" Go. He says, "Well, at least, you know, maybe if there was a sadic buried there, you could say you went to the sadic, but there's no buried over there. You don't want to bury over there." Okay. So, you know, I got the message, whatever. So then he takes me into his room and he he he gives me uh a bottle of wine with like a soccer ball on top or mial or whatever. And then he said, "I have something else for you." And on the shelf he has a leather bound. He said, "I have a very special safe for you. I want to give this to you." There's a leather bound like what's so I mean special but whatever. Anyway, he takes it down and it says, "This is a wonderful safer. I learn from it every week. [laughter] >> Okay. Where do you want to go from there? >> All right. So, there's plenty more. There's plenty more. >> So, the the the the only really awesome story I heard from you and I, like you say, you have 800 of them. So, I these are the only ones that I >> They're all on this level by was was the one with the It's the Rabbi Orlovski Show. Torah and Sima, ready to go. The Rabbi Orski Show. Knowledge and wisdom will help you grow. Lots of fun in every episode. And we don't have to rhyme, don't we? 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