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The Abarbanel's Prophecy of the Ultimate Return of the Conversos {Talkin Torah With Devorah}
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hi everyone devorista here and i'd like
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someone and today i'm really excited for
today's guest guys he was featured in my
docu-series and the book the last anusa
my guest is an american orthodox rav
public speaker author prolific
researcher and he's a pulpit rabbi who
has a global following and is one of the
most popular english speaking torah
teachers in the contemporary jewish
landscape his share can be found on tour
anytime the ou website called brahma
radio shots illuminated
hazak and youtube just to name a few
i would like to welcome to my channel
and i again i'm so excited rabbi daniel
gladstein welcome rabbi how are you well
thank you thank you for having me i'm
really
honored and humbled and excited for this
opportunity
and i think it just uh what we're going
to speak about today is so appropriate
could not be more appropriate preparing
for rosh hashanah in the month of ello
and it's wonderful to see you again and
and uh actually i'm i'm so grateful
that you came to our family bris a
number of years ago and and i remember
get right into it you came with the
jewelry that dated back to the
inquisition which i have more by the way
there's a ring which i don't know if
you've seen it and i have to have you
see it because i don't know anyone who's
as learned as you are in this area and
the ring is comprised of an of a number
of it forms a letter
and it's hidden to the naked eye but
within the eye there are two luchos and
the staff of moshe in it and this ring
is clearly clearly very old um and i
know you'd be excited to see it because
i know you're so into the history of all
of this yes
thank you thank you very much
so
um
it's an honor to have this connection
with you because i know you're you're
like an ambassador
and representative not only of your own
personal journey but i think many people
look up to you as their ambassador to
the whole community of the conversos
in america and beyond you were telling
me before that there conversos as far as
uh the philippines and making sense
because it really makes sense when you
think about where spain has been
and when they were conquering these new
lands and it's it's really
i think what was so amazing was just
how far reaching the damage that was
done by the inquisition
and by this time in in jewish history
that we're still seeing people who can
clearly you know trace they have a a
tried and you know a very long tradition
of
knowing that they come from this
ancestry
many of them have walked away and the
philippines i know in particular
uh there are no schools that they can go
to so they kind of just take in the bene
noah route um and and it's really
remarkable unbelievable it's very it's
just it's and i think it's exciting
because
what i think so exciting is that you
know not many people know but i featured
recently on my new series which is part
two to the glass anusa the remnant there
was a new vua
and this navua talks about the anusim
which i really think gives a lot of hope
um i you know i think it gives a lot of
hope in that it's you know there's
there's a portion that says that hashem
will wake them up like the dew
uh which is really great because it
means that we don't have to do anything
hashem will do it all you know for them
but i think what was so
i think what is so special even from the
time that i first heard it from you till
today which i heard it from you years
ago
yeah um i think the fact that the
barbanel who was in he was the boots on
the ground in the thick of it
um
he gave this new vula and i thought it
was so special because even he saw
that one day they will come back and i
feel
that this yada deshmite that's what
we're seeing now that we're seeing that
prophecy come to life what do you think
about all of this yeah let's you know i
think for the sake of the audience it's
worthwhile to just reiterate what what
this prophecy is and i just uh before
our our meeting or interview i took out
maya barbado on the treyasar
and in the last verse in ovadya the last
two verses of avadya we have a passage
that says that the exile of the jewish
people that reached all the way to
france
and then the oval says the exile of
jerusalem and the babanel says the most
prestigious of the families of jerusalem
were descendants of king david and the
tribe of yehuda asher
they were exiled to spain so the first
thing we have to realize
is that spanish jewry
were really
the
the crowning
glory of the jewish people the ancestry
of spanish jewry dated back and traced
back their lineage to the shaivid of
yehuda which is the greatest of all the
tribes and to the king david himself
and the the prophet is saying
they will eventually inherit the cities
of israel and come back to eretz israel
and now barbara was troubled how could
the prophet say that the
jews of spain will inherit israel there
are no jews in spain they're all they're
all gone and this he wrote more than 500
years ago there are no jews in spain
almost 600 years ago
and the abaribano writes or uh
prophetic words that you refer to
the oulai he says perhaps shakiva and
gom kane that it's referring to
albania
to the jewish people that were converted
now tens of thousands of jews were
converted
in um
in spain actually
what's not emphasized so much is that in
101 years before
200 000 jews were forcibly converted in
spain
and then in 1492
tens of thousands of more jews
um were forcibly
well well it's interesting um 300 000
jews were forced to leave spain and
hundreds of thousands converted again in
1492. actually you know this week i had
the privilege i visited rabbi barrow
wine and john i just heard on one of his
recordings
and there are different accounts of this
but today
in spain 90
of spaniards have jewish blood could you
imagine i believe that i remember 90
it's amazing and it's funny because you
touched on this on your trip years ago
about when you're walking around you're
going to see people with jewish blood
and and i remember when i was there
which by the way i don't know that i
would have had the koyak was it not for
your shirum to give me the the hezuk to
go
yeah by the way we hope to go back there
um
this summer
uh to spain and to portugal and then
perhaps to amsterdam because many of the
you know conversos
i have a great i have a set of great
grandparents
that were there clara rocco whose family
died in portugal in the inquisition she
escapes to the to amsterdam where she
where she meets up with my
great-grandfather moshe levy
and together you know they they lived
the life of judaism they came to kudasau
um
i mean she had an amazing journey and i
hope to feature her story as well
on the remnant because it really you
know i think where there's a clearer
ruckle there's a there's a lot more
behind them and these stories
um you have to imagine what life must
have been like you know by the time 1492
comes into play like you said there's
already a hundred and some odd years of
this you know they're born into this
system already yeah
we were having a conversation the other
day about this uh misnomer the the
golden age of spain you know i'm going
to be i'm going to be talking about that
with another rabbi and we're going to
there's not the show we're going to do a
feature called the not so golden age yes
so i'll leave that for you know for
other scholars but but the history of
spanish jewry was one of persecution
pogroms force conversions and there is
really only a brief respite for 200
years and when we say respite that's
ironically in the year 711 the
muslims came up through the strait of
gibraltar and they conquered much of the
liberian peninsula and actually we had
more respite under their dominion than
under the romans and the christians
and that's also another uh very
interesting subject how uh we don't
think of it this way but the original
christians and the roman empire were
they were barbarians they were pagans
and the muslims were the cultured
scholars philosophers mathematicians
it's true and then
all of a sudden it just changed on a
dime the entire
mindset and
manner of the development of
christianity the christian world became
educated they became cultured they
became
um
they became developed and then the arabs
were just you know the the most were
stuck in time frozen in time
so in 711 the muslims conquered the
iberian peninsula but then
uh ferdinand and isabella their dream of
reconquest of uh reconquering the
liberian peninsula i think in
1478 they conquered much of the iberian
peninsula and there was only one last
stand i think that was granada and then
in 1491 they conquered granada
and ferdinand comes back he says
hello kim how can i please god
and i'm going to come back to ferdinand
but i want to i just want to
mention the prophecy of the abbarbanel
he got sidetracked
barbanel writes
that
these jews who
left judaism mithokev hatsaras from the
force of their pain the hashimoto's and
conversion the nisha reuben sarfas and
they remained in france with the svarad
by the way um you think it's not only
spain rabbi wine said
of western europe has jewish blood i
believe it
i believe it and and and i and i tell
you because like i remember when i came
out with the last amnesia the
docu-series that was featured on youtube
and people from france italy they were
contacting me and saying don't forget us
too and i'm thinking this is like
mind-blowing this is just like they are
everywhere and i'm saying like we need
to like
i don't know
and that's why i was so glad when i saw
this new voice that hashem will wake
them up like they do and i i feel like
that's what's happening that that's what
i'm witnessing is this wake-up call and
people's hearts just being illuminated
with this realization that that that
this was not the christianity was not
their mean hog that they came from the
jewish nation and they want to return to
the jewish nation and i'm praying
so hard that hashem will help me to
bring these stories out to let klaus
know that your brethren are out there
and they want to come home so i'm so
glad that first of all that i that i'm
able to witness this and then for hashem
to bring rabonum who were educated in
this i mean it's a very exciting time
i can't help but tell you
what an important role you play in in
the
in the history and the development and
the future and the destiny of the jewish
people that you're bringing your story
to life but your story is reflective of
thousands tens of the hundreds of
thousands of other stories and you're
going to give
so many
people of jewish dissent the courage to
to investigate their roots and to
investigate where they come from and to
basras hashem develop their connection
um to trace trace themselves back to
sinai where they where they came from so
abbar beno writes
shaheem
not thousands and ten thousands of
individuals
thousands and ten thousands of
communities listen to this
tens of thousands of communities were
lost
shahem yahshua
they will return ubiquitous hashem
alaikam and seek out hashem
that's the prophecy at the end of ova
and if i may add
the next prophet is the prophet of yonah
the prophet of juva so it's a seamless
segway between the prophecy at the end
of a vajraya according to the barbanel
of the return of all these lost jews and
then the yonah the navy owner cries out
to them return to hakadosh
and uh we're living in miraculous times
we always say you know if only we lived
in the time that god took us out of
egypt we would have seen the splitting
of the red sea and blood no that's
child's play that doesn't compare to the
miracles that we see with our own eyes
of people coming out of the most remote
areas i remember the story you wrote in
mesh baja
in puerto rico and another uh
yeah i mean when you're and when you
think about it it's funny it's like
hashem one day we just turn on the light
bulb for me and i'm thinking it makes
perfect sense these people are in remote
places they're untouched
and and the traditions that they have
some robum have heard their tradition
and they say they keep it at a level
that even now we don't keep even the
women even it's just amazing and and
they
you know i think what's even more
amazing is that if you think about their
commitment to hashem
that they they just kept hanging on and
some of them knowing that they were not
going to see their own get allah their
personal gelala but they kept doing it
knowing that these children would be the
guarantors and that one one day one of
their generations would be that
generation and i pray israel that we are
living in that generation
yeah i mean
i mean and you know i think it's
important to to know to recognize that
whatever we read in the prophets
everything is alluded to in the hamesh
in the in the bible in the torah
so it occurred to me today that it has
to be that this prophecy of the barbanel
must be found somewhere in the humish
and not only is it found
the time that it will occur
is basically blatant you know the vilna
gain teaches us a tradition
there are 11 parshiots in sephora
devarim but nietzsche and vayilla could
be viewed as a one
and therefore if we have ten partios
each parsha corresponds to
another century of the sixth millennia
we know according to jewish tradition
we're now in the year 57 82
and which means we're in the sixth
millennium the villenegon teaches the
ten parasites of severe divarim
correspond to the ten centuries in the
sixth millennium so parashat devarim is
the year five thousand to fifty one
hundred
and then
is fifty 5100 to 5200
and the 19th century
you see it's interesting because the the
jewish calendar and the
secular calendar
were
the jewish calendar uh there's there's a
little bit uh interesting um
trick to help convert a
jewish date into a secular date you add
the year 1240 so let's say the spanish
inquisition according to the jewish
calendar
occurred in the year
biruan bayes resh nun which is 252.
so if you add 1240 to that you get 14
92. so the parshios
of devarim and this
we write about in our humble safer on
elol and rosh hashanah or the uh the
mystery and the majesty which by the way
we're gonna get to that in a second
because if you guys uh first of all this
whole interview is just treasures upon
treasures but i'm literally going to
give you a treasure for rosh hashanah
and a few we're going to get to that but
i want to hear this new and where we are
okay so i want to share with you
um
the villainous teachers that the ten
centres the ten parachutes of davarim
correspond to the years
of uh
of the sixth millennium of the jewish
calendar so the way it works is the year
5000 to 5100 is 1240 to 1340. and 5100
to 5200 is 1340 to 1440.
so that means parashas kisaway
which is the parasha
of the
stern rebuke and the stern admonitions
and punishment that correspond to the
year 1840 to 1940 which
could not be a more graphic decision um
description of the year 1814 1940 you
have world war one which is the greatest
upheaval in the history of the world
world war one
and you have the onset 1939 1940 the
beginning of the holocaust
and then parsons needs some
will then continue to describe the
holocaust and if you look in the verses
and needs of him you have
god got angry at that land to bring all
the curses that are mentioned in the
safe air and god
cast them off the land be off and anger
of
fierce wrath through the cats of god all
by the way the swarm tell us the words
of god
we know that in hebrew every letter has
the numerical value of gomatria the
numerical value of
the cats of gadal are the final solution
so that's an explicit
allusion to the holocaust
but then in paris system which is the
year 1940 to 2040 the torah tells us
after world war one and after the
holocaust
god will circumcise your heart and the
heart of your children
the posix says kilo see
the torah will not be forgotten by your
descendants descendants that may have
forgotten the torah for 600 years since
1492 that torah will not be forgotten
and the torah says this
you will return to the lord now we
always thought that meant the bout shuva
movement in the aftermath of the
holocaust right but now we're seeing the
baochuba movement
is much more expansive than just
maybe traditional jewish families that
have veered off part of the chuva
movement is an international to a
movement the way that abarbanel
describes and i would i would assert
that the barbados prophecy is alluded to
here impartials need seven
and this explains something amazing if
you give me another moment
you know all the moments you need
ramban nakhmaniris also from uh the
great spanish scholar
uh which we tr i traced to that that
great spanish scholar really and and my
father's family was from his town in
hirona if you remember
that that you said kaddish for one of my
great-grandfather they were from the
same town
incredible incredible ramban learns
the shaft hashem
is the mitzvah there's a mitzvah in the
torah to do chuva the ramban says
this commandment that i command you
today it's not far from you it's not
difficult
it's close to you and
identifies it as the mitzvah of teshuva
rambam
maimonides seems to say
teshuva is not a mitzvah
my manatee says you know when you do
chuva when you get around to it make
sure make sure you say vidue confession
and all the commentaries ask chuba is
not a mitzvah the torah says you will
return how could maimonides learn cuba
is not a mitzvah it's just when you do
it you should confess
rabbi betsalo jolti one of the great
rallies of jerusalem he explained
the reason why rambam learns chivas not
a mitzvah is because it's not a
commandment
it's a promise
that the jewish nation will do chuva in
the end of days and
the exciting thing is that cuba is only
for the jewish nation
yes it's only for us we've explained
this many times but according to the
rambam
the rambam understands teshuva
is a promise that god makes to the
jewish people that in the end of days we
will return and therefore it can't be a
mitzvah because if god promises it
then it has to happen then our free
choice is somewhat being tampered with
god never gives a mitzvah unless we have
absolute free choice
and then the rambam says
we are vouchsafe that we're going to do
chuva
and then
we are vouched safe that the gula will
happen
so this these prophetic times that we
live in where we see
great jews like like yourself mrs ivell
where you're just you know you're a
pride for the jewish people and you're
an inspiration for
hundreds thousands hundreds of thousands
of jews who who are looking
to your example
but you're a living prophecy of the
barbanel and of uh safer devarim and
this is a prerequisite to the coming of
the
and
you know our prayers on rosh hashanah
interesting praise rosh hashanah on yom
kippur instead of asking god in the
shema essay
forgive us help accept our truva we we
don't mention chuva at all in our
prayers on rosh hashanah
it's all about
rebuild jerusalem
and bring mashiach
and bring the davidic dynasty what
happened to chuva
the answer is what's the purpose of
chuva why why why do we repent we repent
the rambam says because repentance
brings redemption
so in our we cut to the chase
why why would we ask god except our
truva the purpose of us for the
redemption so we just cut right to the
chase god redeem us already that then
obviously we'll have done teshuva
so
you know the the subject that you're
that you write about and that you uh
make these wonderful documentaries
is uh so important for the destiny or
our people because this is really uh
the prerequisite for the coming of the
gula
and
we're just we're just waiting for more
and more of our brothers and sisters to
come back and then uh
that could uh that then
comes and i i gotta tell you i i'm
i'm really i'm just so
i mean i'm awestruck i don't even have
words to articulate
uh what is what it has meant to me
for a shem to allow me any part
in in in any of this you know i mean as
you know you know i started out on the
journey to to investigate my own family
and out of that came all of this
and you know you think that you're doing
something for yourself and hashem says
no this is this is for for everyone and
i think a lot of times in the commercial
community we've kind of
banned it together this way and and we
have said when someone when one of us
succeeds we have all succeeded
and i think you know
it's so beautiful to even hear
my own family talk about when they were
smuggling jews in from spain and
portugal that it didn't matter that they
were from
france spain portugal they were all one
and they were all in the same boat it
didn't matter
and i thought this was just such a
wonderful thing and to this day the
community
they don't act for themselves every
decision is made for the community and
i'm thinking this is such a beautiful
thing and i pray that this is in the
blood in the heart of every anus um that
they would now hear the voice of their
ancestors calling the blood of their
ancestors has been crying out from the
grave to hashem and hashem has heard
those cries and remembered them and i
pray that this would be the time that
the awakening will happen
amen i mean
you know it's interesting even in the
liturgy of the slichos
that we're going to say in ello and in
the filos of the high holidays there are
additions or illusions
to
the great tragedy of um
of the inquisition you know
one thing we always have to learn
turkamata the grand inquisitor
he had jewish blood yes he did and
that's a very important lesson because
we are always our own worst enemy
you know whether in russia what what
what russia could not do to the jewish
people for 150 years
the bolsheviks
who were mostly jews
you know the joke was all the bolsheviks
are jews except for lenin
even though lenin they didn't know lenin
had jew his grandfather was jewish
and the bolsheviks eradicated in 10
years any vestige of judaism
that's always been the fate of our
people our biggest enemies and it's the
same in american jewry the greatest
threat to judaism in the united states
of america are the breakaway groups who
try to uh change the tradition of jewish
observance and
and all under the guise of enlightenment
under the guise of enlightenment so the
same thing happened in spain
and you know one of the al hates
that we say on yum
um
for the sin that we sent before you for
coercion and willing sin
and one of the great rabbis where is
this going to explain this was
added
because of spanish inquisition
where you had jews who began
serving other religions
because of coercion
and then
the razon ultimately they did it
willingly so it's just it's amazing to
see where
where the effects of uh spanish
inclusion has crept into
um our liturgy uh in one of the hosts we
say
act god
for the sake of those who came into the
fire
one of the great rabbi shaw brock
explains this is uh he he cites on
barbanel well by the way beth yosef the
basilica yes god refers to hanesha
hagado the great ego one of the most
important personalities in our history
he would say that in times of
inquisition
people felt that giving up their life
was uh was such a great myth that they
did it this resort they they ran to do
it so we say to god act on behalf of
those who came into the fire who who
jumped into the fire so this all played
a role in our in our liturgy but one
thing we do have to give credit to
ferdinand and isabella and i always like
to say you know even though they figure
they're going to destroy judaism
and they're going to wipe out every
vestige of the jewish people
but we know that the spanish inquisition
uh
came to the expulsion was set for
thursday august 2nd 1492
and
on august 3rd 1493
um
three ships set sail
my grandfather was the captain of that
ship
unbelievable really and by the way
not only was columbus my grandfather but
i have found out that rabbi abraham
senor was also my grandfather as well so
it's just amazing i wonder sometimes if
my alta zetas are up there saying who
would have thought that we would have a
common granddaughter
um but it's been it's it's i'm telling
you it's just
it is so overwhelming even to know that
information to know how close that you
are to this inquisition because when i
think about my own journey that i was
told nothing about my family i was in
the dark not raised in judaism and for
hashem to wake me up dhafka
in this
particular area and to confront my
family it just lets you know there is a
hashem he really is running the world
and it's not an accident what's
happening to you right now and it should
give you great
that hashem is in control
but it's amazing that you're able to
access
this information and connect yourself so
many hundred years back because
jews of ashkenazic descent whose family
families like ours went through the
holocaust and everything is destroyed
everything is destroyed we cannot
connect
we cannot connect back all those
centuries and
privately i'd love to show you some of
these lines because you can start to see
even the jewish families who were
marrying within each other in spain it's
a it's a really wonderful
um
they had it's like you said they
they were all in it together they really
they were just marrying each other and
um but this is this is what the the
spanish the catholic church has done
they kept such tight records
um that they were
you know and they were very good at
least and especially in puerto rico
where you would name the father and the
mother and their parents so it's very
clear who your family was um now for for
me in particular there was so much
endogamy within the family that it was
really easy to to trace and columbus i
think appears more times than any other
uh i think colony must probably that
colony most line and the the levy line
probably is like second but columbus
appears more times as my grandfather
than any other more than my mother
appears
so
unbelievable
so you know and the the irony of history
again
is that they try to wipe out every
vestige of uh
of judaism but they were the ones who
discovered and paid and commissioned and
granted not allow us to marry into the
the
the true the true catholics they could
only stay within each other so many ways
they did us a favor so so they
commissioned the discovery of the
greatest haven that the jewish people
has ever had the united states of
america all the yeshivos all the torah
learning all the kololim all the shulls
oh a great debt of gratitude to uh
ferdinand and isabella for commissioning
uh
what i thought i love
so you know they thought they thought
the inquisition the explosion was
bringing an end to judaism little do
they know they're the greatest
architects of torah in the history of
the world you know every yeshiva should
have a big plaque courtesy of ferdinand
and isabella
you know so
so i wanna i wanna say thank you so much
you know we're coming to an end but i
before we get to an end i wanna talk
about now guys first of all if you
thought this was amazing i promise you
there's so much more where that came
from i'm going to be putting blood
i'm going to be putting on some links to
where you can see the rub but there's
also another link and and i'm telling
you guys you have to get out and and
now
i got this book because the rub gifted
to me years ago when it first came out
and we kind of did a book swap right and
this is my little book right this is my
little book and this was his like book
so i i must say
ahead of young kipper because i feel
like you got the short end of this stick
i got the better deal here
but i gotta tell you this book guys
first of all it opens up with a
powerhouse like get it before rosh
hashanah i promise you it is worth you
getting this book
cut to the front of the line no pun
intended and i don't want to give away
the beginning but if you want to learn
the secrets of how to get yourself to
the front of the line this book has it
and it's not a book that you'll read one
time and it's over i've already pulled
this book out i think this is the third
year i'm going to be pulling this book
out
authentic kang
it it is your must it is like your guide
to rosh hashanah and all the hageem that
are coming up in the high holidays and i
pray
that we can have you back on to talk
about your other book um that speaks
with about hanukkah but this book it's
just
i don't even know where to start it's
such a great book i highly recommend
no matter where you are whether you are
in the conversion process whether you've
converted whether you are very learning
this book is for you it's put out by art
scroll again bellinetta i'm going to put
some links the rob has so graciously
given us a code a discount code for not
only 10 off but for shipping i'm going
to have that code in the description box
so please check it out
i i promise you it is it is worth it and
i want to thank you again so much hara
for coming out for imparting words to to
you know to this community i pray that
bazrat hashem everyone who is out there
um
and i know many of you crying and and
waiting for your return please continue
hashem has heard you he is hearing you
please i promise you that wherever a
person wants to go chemin will say amen
they will help you
you will find yourself to the mikvah and
return home
together with us
i want to bless you
hashem should give you strength to keep
up your amazing work your inspiration
and pride for our people
and may all your your whole community
continue in their holy path
and uh they'll as they continue the holy
path they will we will all usher in
together the coming of the great day of
the redemption of our people
and blessed hashem will all return to
you shalom where that's where spanish
jewry began from they all came from you
shall i am i may again i want to thank
you for for you know coming on again
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he will bring more great rabbis on to
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you and i pray that we'll all be
together again soon
amen amen thank you very much
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