The 2 Approaches of the Ran If the Neder is Effective to Prohibit Speaking

okay good morning everyone sh record in we have a very nice a short little piece on the gar inad the gar says that what's in we know that commented on the mishna that you need to say when you say m you need to say so the's interpretation of that is the reason why you're in because you said but if you would just say it's not necessarily Mas that you're saying because what you might mean is I'm not going to talk to you means I'm not going to talk to you I'm not going to do business with you I'm not going to stand in your okay so basically to the gar feels that to be if you just say it could could just mean I'm not going to talk to you I'm not going to do business with you I'm not going to stand here your dollarus it doesn't necessarily mean that I'm not going to eat from you because it's even though and holds like the opinion that withold even if you just say that would also beer to eat because so there there two there going to be two approaches in the run over here because I didn't realize this but at the end of the day where if you just say where the gar says well it could be I'm not going to talk to you I'm not going to do business with you I'm not going to stand in your are you Tak user to speak to him are you taka user to do business with him are you taka user to go in his meaning are you usering him to speak or aering him to do business are you answering him so that you can't go on his so the ran has two ways of learning this if you take a look on in the ran the ran says okay let's start from the beginning it's two lines from the bottom really it's like we said originally that when you don't say that I'm going to eat from you m if you don't say you're M why it's not you're saying so then the r is bothered are you to talk to him no you won't beer in speaking why because we don't know do you mean that you're not going to get benefit you're not going to talk to him for each one whether it's or whether it's or whether it's it's meaning even though the gar says well if you don't say sh maybe you mean to say I'm not going to talk to him so the r is bothered so are you maybe not allow to talk to him no you're allowed to talk to him why because whether it's the or the talking each one it's for each one's reason is cu you can't ask from him on the from the you could say from the mission that it's not earlier the original interpretation of who said if you don't say sh it would not be effective that's because originally held if you don't say sh it's not even y so that we could ask from him from Thea which clearly holds it is y but now that we're we can't ask from him because says the says the r this is the first of the the first of the r is if you don't say since you could interpret it maybe I'm not going to talk to you I'm not going to do business with you or so on and so forth either one is M now okay n you're on I wanted to say that what you asked me on chabas I did what I said was not correct because you asked me on chabas could there be a NE that you're not going to talk to the guy remember you asked me could there be NE and I said there can't be you could only make NE to the is obviously learning you could make an nether you're not going to talk to the guy I thought only you can make a Shu you're not going to talk to the guy but apparently there could be a the r just holds that regarding talking to him or doing business with him or standing in his for that's we don't know that he meant that but if he did mean that there could be such an another okay I'm not 100% sure how unless you make an that he is to you in terms of you talking to him or he iser to you in terms of you doing business with him that's the first the second is there is an opinion the says that if you say you can't talk to him I can't do business with him I can't stand in hisu the that's the is of the when the Bry says assur meaning in other words let's go back to the already said which means then you're otherwise you would still be user but it would only be user to speak to the guy going on eating so we have two approaches in the ran approach number one is approach number one is that um approach number one is that when you say we don't know if you mean not to eat from the guy we don't know if you mean not to talk to the guy or do business with them regarding each point it's so therefore we say therefore it's not considered y on either Point either point we're going to say it's uh you're not user you're not user to eat you're not user to do business or to talk the second approach of the r is even though regarding eating it's speaking you are useri doing business you are user if you say m you're not to get you're not to speak if you say you're not to get Han I'm sorry you're you're not to do business um these are the two PIM in the ran the rush has a problem with the ran second P rush if you could take a look inside the rush is found three lines from the bottom maybe it means I'm not going to talk to you you're not asking yourself in unless you also say you're now so if we don't know if you're answering or you're answering speaking maybe you should be AED to speak no you're allow to talk to him there's no greater indication of one more than the other have y it's not a Yad at all in other words the reason why you're you're not making a that you're not going to get Han it's cuz maybe you mean to say I'm not going to talk to you but you're we don't ask you to talk to him because maybe you mean that you're not going to get each one regarding both ways but says the r don't explain that to speak with him it's maybe it's more indicative that you're not going to talk then you're not going to get meaning maybe the second is right maybe in other words maybe the would be that you're not to get you're not how to talk to him you're not how to do business that can't be because the gamar says that even though sh holds but not everybody agre to that holds like but the would hold which would imply that you would beer to eat so if the opinion holes you would be user to eat then question if you would be user to eat then if the opinion that you would be user to eat then what you're user to eat and you're not all to talk to the guy meaning according to the second the it's regarding eating but are you allowed to talk to him the second the is no you're not allowed to talk to him so then what and the opinion you're not allowed to get Han and you're not all to talk to him how do how would that work how would that work in the opinion the rash asks that the fact that he does not that implies that according to the opinion then you're but then what the opinion holds your and and you could talk and the opinion holds you can't talk but you could get han mean that's that's very unusual mean the opinion the says holds that you're not to talk to that you're not all to get Han which means it's the statement is more indicative that you're not going to get you're not going to eat then you're not then not talking to him so how could it be that the holds you're allow to eat but don't talk to him cuz it's Mas more that you're not going to talk to him but the opinion holds you're not allowed to eat and presum you would be allowed to talk to him so the says is counterintuitive meaning if therefore it's not indicative that you're user to eat and it's also not indicative that you're not how to talk e both are and holds that you're not allowed to eat because that's more but the other in the that even though in the you're not allow you're allowed to eat how could you say but you're not allow to talk holds just the opposite that's that's the Kasha of the rush the rush rejects the R's second interpretation that in fact you're not allowed to uh talk to the guy so when trying to answer the Russ's Kasha on the ran this is let's see this is a sa for Bikur ruin Bikur ruin was written by ruen shansky I think it was a Riva in the mirror in Brooklyn actually and if I'm not mistaken his grandson was my dorm in Yesa but any eventu says like this says he quotes the T of the do you understand the do you get the and thean mean in the step of the that it's because maybe he means I'm not going to talk to you so are you in fact not allowed to talk to the guy and it's very typical to say you're not allowed to talk to the guy cuz then it would come out that you're not to talk to the guy but you're allowed eat and holds the exact opposite you're not all to eat but you could talk to him he says the there two opinions the first opinion you're allow to talk for speaking with the second opinion holds because talking it is that you probably mean you're not going to talk to him by the way the r holds like the second opinion in the ran now the ran holds the is not all explains the reason why it's it's insignificant even though normally all and it's even Accord and this is what the ran means it's not at all is is it because it was too ambiguous to to to count perhaps let's see maybe he'll explain more he says that it's not that it's it is is the reason because it's it's something which is not significant so we see from the the r the raan the the second opinion of the ran then the second opinion of the ran is think about it the second opinion of the is m is but according to the opinion you'll be and not okay so let's let's try to keep it simple there are two opinions of the ran and the first opinion of the ran is you also won't be user in speaking and according to the second opinion you will be user in speaking the rush asks I impossible it seems like this it seems like in the second opinion of thean there's a that maybe you are why would you be because it's meaning the opinion withold you're not in but you are because it's so then the rush ask how is it possible that you'll be if it's more if it's more how could anyone hold your and your it's like a double-edged question how could you be and the rush adds that's he's also bothered how is it possible to say you're just and if it's more than Han therefore the rush says it must be it's more so the Russia's question is a bomb of a question the Russia's question is how could there be this second approach that in the opinion how could you and you would beer in and You' be you that means it's more indicative of an but then holds your only and Han and not how would they be able to say you're only and Han if it's more than Han so in a nutshell the uh right this that's the Russia's question it's a very a reasonable question um and the B Ru says like this he says the second opinion holds that it is but what does that mean because really your words Encompass both it encompasses speaking it encompasses Hanah so theu offer the following B in how work what's the in is the thees that we complete his words for him and it's as if he said a complete sentence is if you say a partial sentence we complete your words for you or as the know we don't complete your words for you you set a partial statement and we combine your partial statement with your he says the between the rush and the r is as follows that the rush holds Yad helps because we're go the rush holds that y work we complete your statement you said a partial statement we complete your statement so when you say it's a so it's as if you said that I'm not going to talk to you so now what now we're going to say that you also mean in is you can't say he means in he it's as if he said the words I'm not going to talk to you the rush holds that the way y work is we complete your statement if we complete your statement when you say it is that you mean you're not going to talk to the guy and then you cannot create an because how can you create he said I guess and then what would what would the other what would the opinion so so that the opinion um would hold that there's no it's not on Han but it's on and it's like you finished your statement for debor and therefore you could be and in what about the opinion apparently it would not be is Ser to that the other opinion holds that the way y work is we combine your part part of your words with your thoughts so therefore even though it's a it could come out it would be let's see if we could make heads or tails of this he says the second opinion of the holds M would be so now the question is if it's what is the opinion hold so we thought him he has to hold that you're only the rush holds like the of the rash that he cited earlier that by is not because Yad is considered something you said explicitly meaning the world of the rash the way y work is it's like you said it if it's like you said it then what are you going to say that it's and it's it's like you said explicitly that you're not going to speak to him so then why how could we interpret your words you ready said in meaning in the words in the in the world of the rush the rush understands that the way works is it's like you said it so if the Russ is asking that if Y is considered deor Maur so in the it's like you said you're not going to talk to the guy guy then how could you say in the in the that you're you already said you're not going to talk to the guy we're gonna say he means and he said how could we uproot the explicit in words that he said to a different interpretation meaning very simply in the the in the world of the rush the way y work is we we say this is what you said even though you said only partial statement we fill in the blanks so if it's then when you say you mean I'm not going to talk to the guy so then what's I'm going to hold we're going to say we're going to interpret that differently you said I'm not going to talk to the guy there's no other way to interpret it but the first day of the that's what the rush holds and the rush holds and the first opinion of thean holds that y works by filling in the blank if you fill in the blank there for The Rush asks then what is you can't uproot his words that is the the of the first in the r and this is the rash but the second in the r holds no the way work is it's not that it's considered words it's like we combine your partial words with what you're thinking so therefore even if it's even though it's it's not a it's a we interpret it based on your kavana that's normally but according to the so then it's if the words could mean that then it's it will be a Yad for that so then you'll ask how could it be that the would say you're user to talk to the guy and they would say what you're not to get but how but how could it uproot something you said it doesn't have the status of speech and if we could explain your words otherwise will explain it and you'll be and you'll be I don't really understand this because even though it's not like you said in the even though it's not like you said that you're not going to talk to the guy but it's more that you're not going to talk to the guy so if that is the more reasonable way to interpret it why in the world would we interpret it the less reasonable way and say you're I why wouldn't the rush still have a good question but this is an attempt to try to explain the two various de in the ran namely the first interpretation of the ran is that not only you not user in eating you're not you're not even user either way the second shadow of of the ran holds no you will be because it's to which the rush says he doesn't understand that because if it's then why would the say and notor and we we uh brought out that there perhaps two ways of learning how y work is y we fill in what you did in say or is it that we interpret what you did say in combination with your thoughts and if that's the case there would be more flexibility to perhaps interpret it even in a way that is less likely meaning if it's you said it then that limits our flexibility we can't interpret it against what you said explicitly but if you didn't say it it's just we interpret it based on what you did say in Comin with your thoughts then there would be more flexibility have a great day and uh hopefully this week the the regular shum will be on 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