Text-Based Tanya Class—Week #19

welcome good morning and welcome to our ongoing text-based tanya class for advanced students okay so just to catch us up without trying to go through everything that we've done in the past few months but uh we started off in chapter one mentioning that in the gemada it describes five levels or five personae five personality types a complete sadiq and incomplete sadhik a complete russia an incomplete russia and a banini and you notice i don't translate those words because what do you want to translate sadiq is righteous it doesn't do it justice you want to translate russia as wicked doesn't do it justice banana you want to translate it as intermediate doesn't do it justice but basically we're examining who these personalities are we haven't yet figured out what we are or what we can be we didn't do that yet we're just getting the uh parameters so to speak now last week we did chapter and in chapter 10 actually took us two weeks but we finished chapter 10 last week we spoke about the level the type of person called a sadiq and within sadik we spoke about two levels of sadik and without getting into the particulars because this is just review without getting into the distinction between the two levels of today just tell me basically what's a tardic no temptation that's right that's not that's right because his uh what we call yetzahara has been effectively neutralized or even transformed into a second he ate certainly and he experiences zero temptation okay now a lot of people were saying well is that what we're striving for and i told you no it's not no no it's not the goal not even the goal okay we're just getting the lay of the land we're just learning the parameters so that's that's one kind of a person a person has no internal temptation so there's nothing to overcome all right now i'm going to spoil the joke i'm going to tell you the punch line and if you were at my humor class of wednesday you know that i have a perverse thrill in doing that okay today we're going to learn about the russia two levels of russia which i don't want to translate as wicked person um and then in chapter 12 we're going to introduce the banany and then we're going to have several chapters on the bani we have one chapter on the sadiq that's the highest level that we're never going to reach we have one chapter on the russia that's the low level which is easy to reach you don't need a booklet you don't need instructions to know how to do that right uh and then we're gonna have several chapters of the bani because spoiler alert but the name of the book is safe for shalbane in him it's not really tanya as we mentioned in the first class we colloquially we refer to it as tanya but really the alternative call it several shall be and the the point of the book is to become this benini but before we learn the benign which is in between the sadiq and the russia we have to learn the topic in russia so we're learning that in the extremes okay we learned the high extreme called the sadiq last week we're learning the low extreme called the russia this week and then we'll get into the mainly and that's basically our focus for the rest of the safer is who is this bananee how to become one okay make sense what we're doing okay all right so now we're going to learn about the russia pedigreed aleph chapter 11 chapter 11 is bankruptcy isn't the default that would be great to roll out of bed in the morning and already be obeying me alive no not a default at all well you're born uh with the either we said this last week that you're born with the potential to become a tzadak or not in which case there's no point in pursuing it and then everyone sprinkled out then the truth i dig them are sprinkled throughout history right and then everyone else is born with the potential to be a mainey but uh the default is russia you let yourself go boom oh sure oh yeah you got to work to become a baby that's why the whole book is about the work you have to do to be a banana in fact if i had to write a one sentence book report on tanya i would say it is the book about all the work you have to do to become and maintain being a banana no the goal is not to try to become a toddler that's kind of depressing why is it depressing you don't even know what vanity is yet you're depressed that you can't be that you can't be outside if you didn't find out what abandonment is yet i think it's more depressing to tell someone that the goal is to become a tzadik because remember what we defined at sadak's last week as somebody who doesn't even have the temptation so what you're telling me is the goal is i have to extricate the temptation for my heart i'm not even allowed to have the temptation how how attainable is that not even allowed to have the the urge even if i overcome the urge oh yeah in a way that is even a higher level because he's overcoming something you have to struggle but let's not jump ahead of ourselves chapter 11. okay like i said chapter 11 is bankruptcy that's how i remember the chapter 11 is the russia it's my little mnemonic pedigreed olive chapter 11 one corresponding the other you guys have heard that expression before it's really originally from king solomon don't say that please don't no we rejected no do not say that do not even if it's true calling people uh saying that a room full of people are gonna assure you is like mentioning a woman's birthday you just don't do it you don't do it everyone knows we all can per birth year we could all do the math but you don't say it you don't say that come on okay all right so we're on chapter 11 za lumaza one corresponding the other you guys are familiar with that statement or that phrase that's a that's a phrase from cahelos from one corresponding the other means that everything in this world is counter balanced we've learned this concept before right okay lumastadig you have bookends so to speak or mirror images or the bizarro version like they called in superman you have the rush of a tavloy russia with a little bit of good in him is the opposite of the tsaddik veraloy think about it sadiq is the sadiq with a little bit of bad we explained what that meant what explained last week what that means the opposite of that the mirror image of that is the russia vertebrae the hainu in other words what is this russia with this russia who has a little bit of good in him the good in him in his in his heart i'm not going to get into the whole explanation why we talk about the right ventricle on the left ventricle you can we spoke about that in chapter nine but anyways the good in him is subjugated bent literally and nullified to the ra so he has good but it's subjugated what does that mean that means he's a good guy he's got a good heart he meant well [Applause] but sometimes it always doesn't it sometimes it doesn't always work out that way it doesn't always come out that he does good that's what it means let's explain it a little bit to more that's what i said so what is it tell me i missed it say it again he has good but it's subjugated too so the goodness of his godly soul is subjugated to the evil of his animal soul what does this mean the zam is khalik voice rodriguez this is also divided into tens of thousands of levels remember we said before about the tadek viralloy that they're like endless levels of it it's a very uh wide spectrum remember we said that last week yes okay so russia vetovli is not just one category there are lots of different shades of rosh of a tavley the indian and in what's the i guess the metric that distinguishes one from the other one level of rash of a table from the other camos the quantity and quality of the nullification of the good to the bad in other words the good is nullified to the bad the question is how much and in what way how much meaning quant quantifiably and in what way meaning in a qualitative sense we're going to explain what what all of this means okay don't don't get nervous so here's an example of a russia waterville okay and you tell me if this sounds like a wicked person because this is why i don't like to translate russia as wicked even though that's the conventional translation you tell me if this sounds like an evil person the answer is i already tell you no it doesn't sound like an evil person you know what it sounds like it just sounds like a person whose ra is able to predominate over his tafe he's a he's a good person he has taught in him but it doesn't always work out that way let's read further yes you have someone where the nullification of the toef to the is minimal minimal he has just a very light case of being a russia minimal case okay the afghan zeiss and not only is it a minimal case but furthermore it is not constant it's not constant the light tada it's not frequent le prorakim crave him something that happens often allah rather than it happens seldomly seldomly doesn't happen often he's not drunk all the time he relapses every few months yeah yeah i'm sober except every few months i relapse so it's not happening that often what happens the evil or maybe better translated the selfishness predominates over the toy for the selflessness the altruism the kevish and conquers the little city the body that was chapter nine right the parable of the little city the each one of us is compared to a little city with two kings fighting for total domination the animal soul and the godly soul both fighting for domination of our of our of our bodies they both want self-expression and they're fighting over the same person in order to get that self-expression so one end of the range of this spectrum of rosh have tevla is a very light case where let let's let's let's be practical let's let's say it as it is he only misbehaves i i don't like it it's a geisha word but he only sins seldomly he sins he breaks he violates god's law but not often not often because he's a good guy and mostly he controls himself but once in a while [Applause] the uh the ra within him gets too strong overbearing and he makes the wrong choice but it doesn't happen often it doesn't happen often is this a self-assessment is it a self-assessment no right now this is no one's we're not self-assessing we're this is a totally theoretical idea right now we're talking about a model we're talking about a model don't don't take it personal yet yeah i'll let you know what okay ah lei cooley ella mctosilovad also you should know when it does happen that there are takes over it's not even the whole body it's just part of it shia sorel mishmaita even assalamu cover where his body obeys his animal soul and becomes a a vessel of a vehicle for that for that will lavush becomes a garment list by ah where one of the three soul garments will be lent to the expression of this selfish desire remember from chapter four the three soul garments thought speech action very good so those are the three ways in which a soul expresses itself either soul godly or animal they express themselves through thought speech and action those are the modes of self-expression so what we're saying is this russia the tavli first of all he may seldomly sin it's not it's not a regular occurrence second of all when that happens it may not be in all of his soul garments all of his modes of expression it may only be in one of the three you may not do anything an actual deed it might just be you know a little less and harder or it may be even active fantasizing and we spoke about that how willful thought not the impulse that pops up in your mind that you push away but willful thought we actually deliberately sit and scheme or plot or even just fantasize about things that are not wholesome so so what we're saying is he's such a light case this roshavatevla on one extreme end of the spectrum that he rarely sins and even when that happens it's not even in all three of his soul garments he goes a little more specifically the hainu ibm is maybe he'll just do the action you're saying oh he just did the action that's the worst i don't know there's an argument to be made sometimes it's better just do it perfunctorially you know like we do mitzvahs perfunctorially like you do the mitzvah and you don't even remember doing it you just do the aveda and you're not even present for it so there's an argument to be said without the actual thought yeah you're not even into it like afterwards like that's what it's all about oscar wilde said the best way to get rid of a temptation is to give into it don't listen to oscar wilde by the way no no no no i said do not listen to oscar wilde but no please don't write it down okay don't don't get distracted listen listen listen listen no is that like ask me after class i have a lot of good luck to tell you okay okay listen listen listen listen maybe he just does actions he doesn't get so mentally into it okay la says valencia and also another extenuating factor they're not even grave sins they're not even grave sins he didn't murder anybody maybe he ate before he made abdullah on matsushabsen i hate to do that because it makes people think that that's the evader they should do but a light sin i said as like a like a gravesite would be like murder that's in another context you're thinking about in another context where he tells us in chapter 24 25 that there's no gradation in sin it's all one thing but that's a totally different context okay it's a problem you have people who were through tanya already became tanya experts okay i i they say you'll never be jealous of your child or your students yeah okay so maybe he just does action and not even not even serious actions and maybe it's just in speech and horror of a late sun maybe he's just speaking it's not even real russian horror it's a vac russian horror it's a it's it's a categorization in halacha it's not explicit lush and harder it's like but it's like teetering on the edge of lush and hotter or maybe he just speaks lights on us just telling silly cynical jokes with no point not like last wednesday's class where the jokes were very deep and they all had a point remember that every truth has a little joke everyone was there it's on youtube it's on soulwards.org you can watch it again okay yeah you got to watch it yeah or maybe he'll only sin in makshava in thought and again i'm stressing this doesn't mean the impulse for thought like the image that just pops up in your head that you had no desire and no will over we're talking about you sit down and for fun for enjoyment you fantasize about something oh i would never kill him but i would imagine torturing him well you know don't tell me that's a mitsu okay it's not a mitzvah it's the opposite of a mitzvah so maybe it's makshava and he says here hiruhuraya veda in fact in some senses uh fantasizing about a sin can be more damaging than the sin itself wow yeah and well you know there's different perspectives obviously fantasizing about murder is going to be less impactful on the family of the murder victim true right then actually killing that person but what we're talking about here is in some what does it mean that it's kosher that it's that fantasizing about a sin can be more grave than doing the sin itself what it means is at least one explanation is that if you do it so you did it once it's done if you think about it you're like stewing in it and it's with you you're taking it with you all the time also you do it and action is the most external faculty of the three modes of expression thought is the most internal so it's a matter of respect if you want to talk about the effect on the world definitely action is more damaging to the world but you want to talk about the effect on yourself negative thinking is more damaging to your own self to your own soul which you're also not allowed to damage you're not odd sorry why is it a sin because basically you're only right you're only hurting yourself you're not hurting well you're not allowed to hurt yourself you're not killing anyone right but that's the sin you're not allowed to hurt yourself so it's an actual average yeah yeah yeah but again i want to distinguish it's not that something pops up in your mind something sinful something outrageous something shocking appalling that happens to everyone and in fact not to use clinical terms because i'm not qualified to do so but you know in psychology they talk about um intrusive thoughts and somebody who becomes obsessed with their own intrusive thoughts like the obsession with having the intrusive thoughts can become more well not more dysfunctional that is the dysfunction so we're accepting the fact that we will have the impulse for all types of thoughts and that that's not sinful at all and we're not responsible for that you know how are you responsible you're not responsible for that um but what we're talking about is it's it's it's a very important distinct distinction here willful thought where i've made a choice to think about this thing you know don't think of think of it as like the internal internal equivalent of just mindlessly scrolling on your phone except you're mindlessly scrolling through your own thoughts it's an activity you've chosen to partake of that activity so it's not like you're it's not like it's happening to you you're not passive here you're you're active albeit in your own head so it's not happening out there in the world that's true that's why i said from one perspective action is much worse than thought and from another perspective thought can be more serious than action and andrew but that's not the point and i don't want anyone getting distracted i want to make sure everyone understands the point here the point is the point is we're talking about a very very light case of russia the taivor where his infractions are very infrequent doesn't happen often it is not necessarily grave sins that he's involved in could be relatively what we call light infractions and it's not in all of his soul garments it's maybe in one sole garment and not the others in other words we have a lot of extenuating factors here to argue that his case of being a russia is a rather mild one pre-meditated crime okay i'm not getting no i i want everyone to understand one thing do you understand what we're doing right now what are we doing we're defining the parameters of the russia the toy fly spectrums with inspections within spectrums yeah why not sure sure okay nuance is everything all right let's just close this thought here the gam says even see i cleaned it up i said he was fantasizing about murdering somebody the altar is a little bit more real i'm i'm timid altareby says it he says even if the person is not when he talks about sinning with your thoughts he says sitting with your thoughts could mean not even that you're plotting how to do a sin that's obviously sinful like the the thoughts that you put into how to do a sin are part of the sin but here he even says fantasizing about erotic thoughts that's the example that he gives and he explains why that's not okay because he is transgressing the torah's warning of nish martin mikhail davar don't think about not good things because uh he doesn't finish the sentence he says hula which means etc but it means that if you fantasize during the day you may have problems at night um that this begs the question are you allowed to fantasize about your spouse um then that goes in the category of uh planning on a mitzvah okay everyone understands what i mean a person might have problems at night it's a biological issue okay it's pertaining to men correct and by the way not to be sexist but i do believe that a lot of this stuff is very different for men and for women like in chapter seven remember we spoke about different permissible things that if you do it indulgently it becomes really not good and we used eating as one example but also marital intimacy was another example in chapter seven i don't want to get into a whole discussion of this but i gave a class last week or the week before i remember to married men and i oh yeah i told you about this last week it was two weeks ago so yeah very good oh yeah that's right love gives lost takes right yeah so i told i i told the men basically not to be so selfish um but i should say there are differences they're very okay here's a 30-second micro uh vart when they were building the mishkan the sanctuary uh the women donated mirrors and mary sherbayno didn't want to accept the mirrors because the mirrors had an origin story back in the time when the men were so emotionally broken because of slavery they didn't want to procreate they didn't want to be intimate with their wives and therefore there would be no further jewish generations the women used to use these mirrors to look into the mirrors and beautify themselves so they could seduce their husbands and when the when they left egypt and they were in the desert and they went to donate these mirrors so maisha saw it it was like no no this doesn't belong in the in the mishkan the mishkan is a house to hashem it's totally holy this is like like i understand why you did what you had to do but like let's not bring it in here and the matter says hashem told moshe accept them accept the mirrors because these donations are more beloved to me than any of the other donations than any of the other donations the whole secret from the rabbi about it but basically uh how the women had the ability to elevate that whole thing and make it totally holy so a lot of these messages are i think somewhat gender specific so i don't want to bring a whole bunch of um guilt and shame and neurosis upon innocent people but i'm at the same time i'm not going to skip the line i'm going to read what it says here and by the way when when i learned this with uh with men i think one of the things i emphasize is that the altareb is so um i i guess what i would say is he's he's a lot of a lot of people they have struggles and then they feel so uh they have such self-hatred about it that it causes a lot of confusion about the struggle did they even have a struggle yeah so i i always point out look the altar ebba when he wants to give an example of thinking that is not appropriate thinking he says very clearly he says erratic fantasies like the al-tadab is not shying away from it he's not shying away from it so uh like he's saying this is the human condition of course okay all right let's continue another example of a human bellavata it's that it's a good time for learning toyota and instead he's checking his email for the 20th time today that's what the altar says like it says in pirkei obviously when a person is awake at night and he empties his heart meaning he doesn't learn toyota doesn't use that time what is the night for when it's quiet it's for learning toyota is there any other use for the night times other than learning toyota instead he uses it for foolishness so uh that would be a misuse of the garment of thought what happens is the inner predominates rises up and takes over enough to manage to get him to do something he shouldn't do and when i say do i don't necessarily mean a physical action doing can encompass uh not only action but speech and even act of willful thought and again i stress active willful thought okay at any rate the point is this russia vettel is a pretty good guy 99.9 percent of the time once in a while he does in a veda and it's not even a big evader and sometimes it's not even anything more than just fantasizing that's it that's it but here's what he wants you to know the definition of a russia again that's why i don't translate it as a wicked person because it doesn't sound very wicked all russia means is somebody who doesn't have a hundred percent behavioral control that's all it means he doesn't have a hundred percent behavioral control so if you have a pilot who crashes one out of a thousand times that's a pretty good average but no one's gonna fly with him you don't call that safe like in in baseball a batting average in the 300s that means 70 of the time you strike out and you're considered a great hitter but a pilot if he crashes one out of a thousand times that's not a good average yeah what's the difference between him and the bait knee should i spoil the the suspense okay the baiting knee is never going to lose behavioral control even once so i gave away i gave away the excitement yeah but i don't think i think he has a bad round who there's rashford does not get a bad rap here typically saying why do we have to call him russia like the guy is not in russia so stop calling russia okay you so you remind me you remind me of the laboratory wow somebody came to and said that his rabbi another rabbi another hasidic rabbi was asked that rabbi asked what was he saying what were his torah what teachings did he give over so that this this costume from this other group said that my rabbit was saying how the mother says that even the wanton sinners of israel are full of mitzvas like a pomegranate is full of seeds so my rabbit was saying it's not really it doesn't make sense if they're wanting sinners how can they be full of mitzvahs like a pomegranate is full of seeds and that ever said you know i have almost the same exact question on that same passage in talmud except my question is if they're full of mitzvahs how could the the talmud call them sinners so you're saying how could they have been called roshoya okay and what i'm saying is let's for at least the context of this class change the connotation of the word russia the connotation of russia is not a diabolical scheming nasty hateful person the connotation of russia in this class is a good guy who 99.9 of the time is doing good stuff so you guys are getting ahead of yourselves so the okay so you so you asked what's the difference between this and a banane a rush of a turbulent and i said should i ruin the suspense he said yes i said okay the abandoning doesn't lose behavioral control even once so now you're saying oh now the follow-up question then what's the difference between this and that and what is the difference between the difference but we're getting way ahead but i'll i'll answer your question the difference between the baini and the tsadik is that atsadik it's not that he doesn't lose behavioral control there's nothing to lose control too there's no struggle to begin with so basically we have a tsadek who has no struggle the russia who is struggling sometimes successfully sometimes not and the bananee who's successfully struggling all the time at the level of behavior meaning he cannot suppress the initial urge that will come to him but on the level of behavior he's able to he's able to exert control okay but i i want to continue i want to continue because there's there's a there's a very important aspect of the roshava tablet we have not we have not discussed yet and that is is it russia is he a bad guy no he's not a bad guy so i want to ask you a question how do you think he feels about his lapses when he does the wrong thing how do you think he feels i know when he's doing it of course he has guilt of course of course he has guilt because he's not a bad guy okay so he he did a stupid thing but at some point maybe even immediately after he's gonna feel bad about it so so let's continue here let's continue here um yeah is it tanya russia and hagada russia at the same time no no no no no no it's his own lexicon this is this is a this is tanya has its own lexicon okay so where do we get up to shabbat any of these examples of lapses even very minor lapses he's called the russia shaharasha banafsha gave her by mistlavish bagoofy martial yeah we said that that is strong enough to make him sin okay now the guilt the ahaka after the lapse the good the latent good the native good that's in him that was always there the whole time in fact it was being violated at the time when he was going against hashem's will because the good is trapped there in in him it's being schlepped along it just wasn't strong enough to stop him and now the good sort of wakes up and says what's what's happened here what have we done so what happens um um he feels regret he he feels regret he feels remorse um and he asks hashem for forgiveness and pardon and by the way the al-qaeda makes sure you know the hashem and hashem forgives him god is forgiving god is forgiving attack provided he does shiva in the appropriate way as delineated by the price of rabbi ishmael which is explained at length elsewhere in other words in the first chapter of yggeras achova this book the first volume of time is called several shall benin the second volume is called vermont the third volume is called the gerasachova in the first chapter of the third volume which is called gerasachuva the book of repentance the letter of repentance it enumerates the three different levels of pardon or of atonement but we're not going to get into them here all we're saying is that there are requirements for doing proper chuva and provided he follows the requirements for doing proper triva he will be forgiven and that's all we need to know okay so basically what have we described this roshavatevla he's a good guy who wants to do good and generally does good but once in a while he messes up and then after he messes up at some point sooner or later sometimes sooner than later it feels awful that's called a rush of a tavela so he sounds like a regular person he sounds like a regular person yeah yeah so remember at the beginning class we're talking about default it's basically the default of any regular decent person default meaning if you let yourself go and you just be natural oh not to row that's what's going to come out and of course it's a spectrum there's a spectrum because some people are going to be like this this extreme example that we gave where he barely ever sins and it's only light sins it's only in one garment of the soul and not in all three garments and then at the other end of that rush of a table spectrum there could be someone who's sinning all the time and it's serious sins he's still in the same spectrum russia very good question what it seems unfair why what's going to happen to you for in that it's sure that's the whole point of the book is to be do trove and become a banana yeah of course that's the whole point of the book but you're asking well what about the extreme case where the guy is sitting most of the time and he's doing serious evaders and it's all three garments same spectrum that's also roshavatevla roshavatevla is a very wide spectrum [Music] no don't don't do it okay so yeah there's a murderer and there's a guy who spoke russian harder one time yeah they're both in the same category what what what's the difference what do you care what do you care if if a rolls-royce and a hugo are both called cars it's a it's a wide category a chihuahua and a saint bernard are both dogs it's a wide category it's a very wide category what do you care about it'll make more sense that you know the bigger picture because right now we don't know what a russian oh okay yeah let's find out yeah i agree with you let's we don't know where russia varala is very good point we don't even what's the source of rally so i want to tell you something you know what every time i learn tiny with people and i ask them what do you think at this point so what do you think of roshvara is you know what they always say he doesn't have the guilt probably you guys are so good no one ever says that no one says it this is the first time this ever happened everybody says no guilt she said no guilt usually what people say is must mean he does worse sins and actually that's not the criterion that differ differentiates the roshvatov from it's not the degree of his sins you're going to see it's very good it's the guilt okay it still has guys you guys are very good okay wait wait watch watch okay watch okay the yay you guys ready schmidt gave her by there is somebody oh hold on a second i'm sorry i'm sorry um we're still in the rush of a tavern i'm sorry okay you got me so excited i jumped ahead russia okay we're we're still in the rush of a tuesday and we're talking about the other extreme of the spectrum of russia vertebrae the yeast um so so then you have on the other side of the spectrum of rochester someone who sins more often he sends more grave sins and it affects more of the garments of the soul ah however in the interim in between his sinning when he can manage to fit it in misheard it he does have regret so if he has regret then he's definitely still in the category of he gets little hankerings little uh gets little flashes of chuva thoughts from the good that's in his soul she must go back in time which is able to gain strength once in a while alicia ain't lying but it's not strong enough the good in him is not strong enough to help him you know to put him over the hump and to actually make that behavioral uh victory life like he's not able to actually um abandon his sin this is why our sages of blessed memory said the wicked are full of remorse what does that mean the wicked are full of remorse it means your average quote-unquote wicked person is just a good guy who messes up and feels bad about it listen to this listen to what he says this is the majority of wicked people she's picking a steve banashima dying they still have good in them so i'm asking you do me a favor do yourselves a favor don't get so triggered by the word russia we don't need to have it connote an evil loathsome person change your change your picture of a russia russia is a good guy a good gal who just doesn't have a hundred percent behavioral control it's a pilot who crashes one out of a thousand times okay it's the addict who relapses once a year it's just it's not a hundred percent all right now let's get to the roshvara you ready yeah okay however one who never has remorse of a clown and he doesn't have any thought of chuva nikra rashford what what now let's talk about the spiritual mechanics or dynamics of that what what's happened to this guy because we know the mechanics of of regret the mechanics of regret are that there's good in you and that good is allergic to the bad in your behaviors and it's like having an allergic reaction so how come this guy's not having an allergic reaction he doesn't have a soul of course he has a soul but what what happened to the he has a soul what happened to his soul so watch what he says only the only the selfish animalistic survival impulse is left within him it pushed down the goodness so much that the goodness flew away departed but it didn't disappear it didn't disappear where is it the amid the beginners all of mill mila it stands in a hovering sort of way above him and when we say hovering and above we're talking about spiritual things so obviously i don't mean spatially in in a sense of it like like a little like uh you know yeah like like is it a foot above his head is it two feet above it what it's saying is when i say inside and outside about spiritual things we're not talking about like the coffees in the cup you know like physical but spiritually when i say inside or outside what i mean is what does it mean that his soul is in him it means it's integrated enough into his consciousness that it's a part of his experience and that's a rash of attainment that he has a soul which is part of his experience unfortunately it's not strong enough a part of his experience to prevent him from ever sinning but it's definitely there and therefore he's allergic to the sins that he does and he feels bad about them afterwards the rosh have also has a soul it's just not in him meaning it's not integrated into his conscious experience when we say it's mockift that it's hovering what we mean is he has a soul but he's not in touch with it and it doesn't really inform his experience of life so he just goes through life totally like like an animal like survival impulse there's no morality amoral you know like a lion feels no regret for killing an antelope so that's this russia varalay just does what he does it's all justified and there's no thought of introspection or stop taking this yeah what's the difference between him the russian ally you're asking a question about carter that's a very interesting question okay um let me let me think if i can even attempt to answer that question sufficiently in the zero time that we have remaining for practical purposes let's say it's very similar let's say it's very similar okay i i don't want to but for the purposes of our chapter let's say it's a very similar phenomenon i don't like to use clinical terms no i don't like the label that's for sure also yes i don't like the label but also i don't like to use clinical terms i'm not qualified to use these terms when you say is he a sociopath i'm not a mental health professional i can't use that word but in a metaphorical colloquial sense you know you might say yeah a sociopath yeah yeah but they're all work walking planet earth yeah hitler who would you say are examples of rashford okay so the question is so the question is what about because no on the on the video they can't always hear especially from the back of the room your question was what about a secular jew has no concept of tighter mitzvahs so they eat on yamkip but you didn't give that example but i'm giving an example they eat onion kipper and they don't flinch they think nothing of it so is that a russia varalay here's what i want to tell you no of course not because you can't test them in an area that they're completely ignorant of test them in something that they know about like test them in an area of social justice being adam lejevera and see if they're able to mercilessly step on somebody and not care if they can then maybe they are rashford ali but if they can't even if they eat on yem kipper and they don't put on phil in or they don't like chaba's candles that's just because of ignorance but you're not talking about a person who has no sense of shame and no sense of decency yeah just like us yeah yeah regular good people yeah yeah regular good people who need who need to do better yeah i want to wrap it up in one second yeah oh wow wow that's a very compassionate beautiful question how can we help this rosh varalay connect to his hovering soul yeah well you know yeah yeah yeah okay this is a there's a a fantastic question how should we treat this person and i guess my question my answer to your question and i want to wrap up right now is um first and foremost stay safe because rosh haverallo is a dangerous person so first and foremost i want you to stay safe if you're safe that you should be as kind as you possibly can be because we still have a mitzvah of cesaro and maybe it'll bring them back and maybe it won't and even if it doesn't bring them back you did the right thing okay let me wrap up with the last line here listen this is such a beautiful way for the al-tada to finish a chapter that's about rush hour about wicked people listen to this beautiful way that we're talking about the the drags we're talking about the lows of the russia the the guy who does evil and all he has within him on an accessible level as evil right he doesn't even feel regret and listen to how the uh ends this chapter he says therefore our sages say akol bay asara on every group of 10 jews the shrine rests and he doesn't spell it out explicitly but what he means is they make no qualifications in that statement in other words a minion of rishoyan would still have the srina why because yes because the shrine is resting on them it's not in them it's hovering and they have that even though they are ashoyam and even a rush of a rush of at all level the shrine is still with them and you think it's not fair what do you mean it's not fair i don't that's not fair so you want to punish them but yeah there's a big balance here but who says that that's good for the victim to punish the russia that what they should be even more divorced from god and they should they should persist who says they feel safe among hasheminous people they probably feel the good the are the good people the victim how do you know okay one last question what you have last question any more clarification i see everybody's triggered by the discussion of russia everybody's thinking about their favorite sociopath psychopath narcissist okay and wishing that they will get their comeuppance but uh you know what i'm judging ourselves anything else okay one last question yeah [Music] okay so the question is this is the last question is a constant thing so here's what i'm going to answer you because as you accurately oh collectively you accurately answered that the difference between rush of a table or is not frequency of sin or severity of sin but rather the absence of guilt okay so in theory this is mind-blowing if you think about it there could be a russia vetoivlai who sins more frequently than a russia varalay but that russia vertov feels bad about it each time and the russia varalay will never feel bad he's a good guy he feels guilty she doesn't feel guilty but he feels guilty about other things yeah right so in that case so he's a russian if he's capable of guilt he's a rush of a tiger you're asking well what if he has this one aveda that he constantly does and he doesn't feel bad about it he's a moomer le indian la david okay he's still a rush of a tavern okay what we're talking about is when we say russia we don't mean that there's a there's a thing that he never feels bad about we're saying there's nothing that he ever feels bad about he's incapable of guilt he's incapable of that self-awareness why because the okay are we good are we good uh okay what how do you move okay well you know mentorship will continue next week okay let's continue next week okay