Text-Based Tanya Class—Week #15

Anyways, so we're we're in the middle. I don't want to say we're in the middle of a subject because we [snorts] did complete a chapter. We completed chapter 7, but chapter 7 and chapter 8 are very related. So in in a in a certain way, we are in the middle of a discussion. Uh just to refresh your memory, chapter 7, we were speaking about Kipa, about Kipas noa, the shiny shell, the translucent husk that um it's we we call it translucent because the spark, the usefulness, the godliness, but I repeat myself within it is covered but not that covered. Meaning you could access it. So you take the coffee and you drink the coffee. You make a bra. You make sure it's kosher and you make a braha and you consume it. And then with the energy in the coffee you learn to and now that neutral spirituality has become subsumed in the holiness of the endeavor that you are involved in and elev elevated to holiness. So we spoke about that. We spoke about um why things are called assurer and mut which we translate as we normally translate as forbidden and permitted. But we said there's a double meaning of tied down and untied. Meaning that which is available for elevation from the mundane to the holy and that which is not available because it is it's not mundane. It's actually uh in the forbidden realm and therefore our only relationship with it is we leave it alone. Okay. All of this sounds familiar. Okay. So pedic chapter 8. So much excitement. Chapter 8. You see, I told you that chapter 8 is a continuation of chapter 7 because look at the first two words of chapter eight. Void means furthermore. It's starting the chapter with the words furthermore. In other words, we're building we're building on information from the previous chapter regarding forbidden food. is which is why they are called prohibited matter. We're going to talk more about why prohibited food is called prohibit prohibited matter. Now, this always upsets people, especially like modern-day American sensibilities. They get really sad. It's a really sad story here. Yeah. It evokes like a lot of compassion. Oh, that's not fair. Listen, this this is a really unfair story. He ate non-coosher food without knowing. He didn't know. Okay, by the way, don't read those cautious reports because then you're going to believe that everything you thought was kosher. I don't even want to make You're making waves. Yeah. No, because if you read the cautious reports, they always say, "Oh, by the way, you know that thing you bought with the with with the hexure?" Yeah. It wasn't kosher. Like a month later, it wasn't kosher. Yeah. Okay. So, person who eats non-coosher without knowing. Didn't know. Lashame shamayim. And he he ate it. Lash Shamayim. Not only he made sure that the food was kosher, he made sure that he or she had the right mentality. I'm eating this food not just for the fun of it. I'm eating this food because I need the calories to serve Hashem. To serve Hashem with the power of that food. Now it's getting worse, better or worse depending on how you look at it. beam Paul the Oain he successfully did it not only he had the intention I'm going to eat the food and use its energy to serve Hashem he indeed followed through with that and used the energy to serve Hashem the he studied and he daved with the energy in that food that he ate the food that was not kosher but he had no idea it was not kosher. Here's the part that everyone gets upset about. The vitality in that food does not does not go up meaning have a spiritual promotion go to a higher level from mundane to holy because it wasn't mundane. He didn't realize it wasn't mundane. It was profane. It was lower than mundane. doesn't get invested into the letters of that he uh I mean he the calories are calories that's a physical thing but the spiritual energy did not get lifted up as it as it would have happened if it were permissible food. Why? Because that energy in that prohibited food is tied down. Again, we learned that last chapter tied down in the other side. Remember we learned in chapter six what other side means. Anything that's not for the express purpose of serving Hashem which is termed shish clipsus the three irredeemable clippus. So it's a very sad story. He didn't know. Maybe you're going to say he was being lazy. He should have looked into it better. No. No. He asked 10 people. It's a very sad story. But you ask somebody this this uh this gas that I'm going to put in my car. This is gas or this is kerosene. It doesn't matter. 10 people tell you that it's gas. 100 people tell you it's gas. [snorts] It's a mitus to use the fancy word. It's a it's a fact of reality. The status of prohibited and permissible is not arbitrary. They're describing an actual mitzas, an actual spiritual reality. And uh so you're asking we had two good questions here. Well the video cut out but one was you're saying so they went and they ate non-coosher food and then they use those calories to davin or to learn. Are you saying the davining wasn't domining and the learning wasn't learning? No, we're not saying that. What we're saying is the opportunity to transform the spiritual quality of the food which could have happened didn't happen. Okay. And then the question about pik ne okay yes obviously in a case of puk nevish not only a person is permitted but he has to he has to do what h whatever will be a life-saving measure. And we're not saying the person shouldn't have saved his life, his own life. Of course, he should. And we're not saying he did anything wrong. No, he did the right thing by eating the non-cooser food when it was life and death. And yet the fact remains, the fact remains that the food isn't elevated. That's just what it is. Okay. Now we're going to get even more hardcore over here. Vafilu [clears throat] is we were just wondering is this fat calories or regular calories? Yeah. Well, the the calories are going to you're going to be stuck with the calories even if you elevate it. So when you elevate it doesn't mean that it has no calories. So, well, I think the the Israeli companies called it in. Yeah, [laughter] they don't even call it calories. Energy. They figured out some Jewish businessman figured out a word that wouldn't have such bad connotations. Why you have to call it calories? Call it energy. It sounds so much more positive. I'm waiting for someone to call it positive energy. Positive energy. Question is though, what happens when you consume more positive energy than you use on a daily basis? You get positively fat. So that's what happens. [laughter] Okay? The positive energy turns to positive pounds. All right? [snorts] Guys, it's not a joke. Even if the nature of the prohibition that we're discussing is rabbitical in origin because a lot of times people question that like well it's not really tra you know it's not it's only it's rabbitical doesn't matter does say you can eat this no says don't eat this doesn't matter if the reason says you can't eat it is because it's based on a biblical prohibition or if it's based on a rabbitical enactment. Some some some rabbitical uh dietary laws aren't aren't even about kashras. I mean like isol is a kash concern but like bish isol it's to prevent assimilation. So it's not even a question about kash. But the point is it doesn't matter. Prohibited is prohibited. Look in the ask your ask your l your local Orthodox rabbi. [snorts] So even if the nature of the prohibition is rabbitical in origin actually he and he mentions here the rabbitic dictim that in some respects rabbitical prohibitions are more [snorts] more uh serious than biblical prohibitions. [snorts] It's what the music gels with the glass. Yeah. People tell me that the favorite the Well, some people tell me they hate it, but I had a few people tell me that they loved it. That that the people who watch online don't realize we have a nursery school class on the other side of the door. So sometimes, yeah, some people have told me that they enjoy it. No, but you're talking about prohibitions, biblical singing about Torah, Torah, Torah, Torah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. We should bring them right in here. Okay. Therefore, [snorts] who shade He says something interesting here. The desire or the power within you which desires prohibition is called a foreign demon. I don't know if it's helpful to translate the word shindaled as demon because you're imagining some type of Gary Gyax type of thing. And I just wanted to say Gary Gyax. Everyone knows who Gary Gyax is, right? No. No. Not my generation. No. Can you spell that? Gary Gyax. I think it's G Y G- Ax. He was from Kenosha. No, not from Kosha. Lake Geneva. Lake Geneva. He's from Lake Geneva, Wisconsin. He started Dungeons and Dragons. He was a nerd, but he's a rich nerd. And he started Dungeons and Dragons. So, anyways, maybe somebody, if you're watching this online and you know who Gary Gagex is, please comment. He's watching. Maybe Gary Gyax. Gary. How do you spell Gary? Is he alive? Yeah, I think he is. I don't know. You have to Google him. Anyways, so yeah, Dungeons and Dragons. You guys remember Dungeons and Dragons? No, we're always afraid of the Shin D. So, I want to tell you that was a big myth. And then they made a made for TV movie with Tom Hanks called Monsters and Mazes, but it was it was totally not true. They said that a kid went crazy from Dungeons and Dragons, but it wasn't true. [snorts] It was actually It was a myth. I'm here to defend Dungeons and Dragons. Anyway, so I'm not going I don't play Dungeons and Dragons. What was it? Well, it was an excuse to use graph paper basically in the 80s when you wanted to draw on graph paper and have 20sided dice and you play Dungeons and Dragons. Anyways, I'm not going to translate that. That's this is all I'm saying. All I'm saying is I'm not going to translate Shindal as demon because it makes you think about Gary Gyax. Except none of you because you never heard of him. But it makes you think of like I don't know. What do you think of fangs and claws? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. A shindalid. Yeah. So, first I'm establishing how I'm going to translate shindal. I'm going to translate shindal as a negative energy, not positive energy, which are Israeli calories like you were talking about. Does shindal stand for something? Yeah. Shade. We just don't say it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. like frightened by because you you don't want to invoke the shindalads. So that's why we say shindal. Yeah. We say shindalad instead of actually saying it because you don't want to say it because you don't want to like you know bring them in the room. Bring them in the room. Gota say a joke. Baltua husband says Baltuva wife. It's kind of sunny in here. Can you lower the shindalits? [laughter] Seriously? No, it's a joke. He wants to be careful. He also asked his wife. He says, "I'm kind of thirsty. Can you give me some ginger kale?" [snorts] He's very careful. He's extra careful. [laughter] You know what also happened? The next door neighbor, the FFB husband comes home and the FFB wife says, "I put the milk spoon in the fleshic pot." He says, "Put it aside and call it off." The BT husband comes home. BT wife says, "I put the milk spoon in the flesh pot." He says, "Get the kids. Pack the stuff. We're moving." [laughter] Okay. Anyways, the shindal is the negative energy. And so what does he say here? He says that there's a negative energy within you that craves proh prohibited stuff. That is a foreign negative energy. He calls it foreign negative energy. He calls it a non-Jewish. It [snorts] comes from the same level of energy as the idol worshippers. However, in in contrast, the inner energy which pushes somebody towards indulgence in permissible things. Who shade mishaden yud that's called a Jewish negative energy. Okay. All right. We're recording again. What's going on with that? I don't know. I really [snorts] You think the Dunkin Donuts is coming and get me? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. It's like an other thing. Okay. [clears throat] All right. So, just to clarify the thing the video crashed again, but okay. Just to just to clarify, it is a natural thing. It's not good, but it's it's a natural thing to [clears throat] desire indulgence. So, it's not just that I'm going to eat the kosher food. I'm going to eat more of it than I need to eat it when I'm not even hungry. And that's called the that's called the shaden yudin. It's like a a Jewish. But then there's something that's actually very unnatural. It's not It's not normal. But Rabbi, is that wrong? Is it wrong? It's wrong to give into it. Okay. It's wrong to give into it. It's normal to want it. It's It's wrong to give into it. And then there's something called the shaden which that is the desired da for the forbidden. So it's not enough that I'm going to go and eat extra dessert. No, now I have to find out what is the uh you know the basal or whatever it is, right? I have to have the butter steak. What? Kind of like why we used to have kosher bacon bits. Kosher bacon bits is fine. That's okay. That's all right. [laughter] It bothers you. No, what we're talking about here is just okay. But the kosher bacon bits is okay. I mean, if it bothers you, it bothers you. But I'm saying objectively there's there's nothing wrong there's nothing wrong with that. It's not it's not saying anything about the kosher bacon bits. What it's saying is actually kosher bacon bit kosher bacon bits. Yeah. Okay. What it's saying is that if a person starts getting hankering like, "Wow, I got to try bacon." Hold on a second. Where's that coming from? That's not natural. It's natural for a person to say that I'm going to consume things that are permissible to me, but I'm going to do it in an [clears throat] indulgent manner. That's natural. Not good. and you're supposed to control it, but it's natural to you. But to start desiring forbidden things, that's unnatural and it's dysfunctional. So, you should be aware of that. If you're if you're if you have a craving to do something permissible, but to overdo it. Can't believe I ate the whole thing. Right. All right. Fine. So it's not good to indulge, but I understand where the penchant for indulgence comes from. It's a natural desire. But if I start saying, "No, no, no. It's not enough to indulge in the permissible. I specifically want the butter steak." Where's that coming from? And you should know it's not coming from you. It's not a Jewish yet. Yeah. Is this just pertaining to food? No. We speak about food because it's easy to speak about. But if you remember last week, not last week because we didn't have class last week, but if you remember [snorts] our last class in chapter 7, we spoke about a lot of different things that are permissible and forbidden. We spoke about food. The other big example we used because we're adults and we did speak about it was intimate relationships of a permissible nature and of a forbidden nature. So the same thing would apply in that category as well as to all types of other activities that can be permissible or forbidden. Does that answer the question? Yes. But it's unnatural to desire forbidden things. Isn't that Um, now I'm going to go back to my Gary Gyak's um, weird paranormal talk. What the heck? Maybe I'm going to go to the other extreme. I'm going to I'm going to play up the paranormal talk. When you desire something forbidden, you see I'm doing like this because this is paranormal. Paranormal talk. Okay. We got to have someone with a theramin in the background. Okay. I don't really mean these words literally, but it's like just for the fun of it. Think about it as like a kind of demonic possession. I don't really I don't mean like exorcist uh demonic possession. What I mean is what he says if you want to overindulge in something that's permissible, he calls that a native yates, meaning that was factory settings. It it's natural. We understand where that comes from. Here's something that you are allowed to have a relationship with and it's just you aren't doing it mindfully, so you're doing it indulgently. Fine. But then there's something called which literally means foreign negative energy. That's why I'm calling demonic possession. I'm saying possession cuz that's not you. That's not you. That's not just an overextension of your natural desires. That's some foreign desire that came and got put into you. Where from whence? I don't I'm not going to talk about that. I'm not even sure exactly how it happens. What I do know, what I've seen in the holy books is that it explains that if a person becomes very very used to indulging in permissible things, ultimately he graduates, so to speak, to that not being enough, let's say, and he has to up the ante. And now he needs he feels obviously he doesn't need but now he starts seeking out the forbidden. Okay. Yeah. So would you would the rabbi say that overindulgence in permissible things is natural in the way that it's part of the zahor. It's part of the natural yet. Yeah. To overindulge. Not that it's good. It's not good but yeah it and you can fight it and you could definitely Yeah. You You can fight it. You should fight it. Yeah. Tanya. Yesterday's Tanya. Scafia. Very good. Tomorrow. Stop showing off. You got to stop showing off. Please. Please. [laughter] My star pupil. Okay. Yes. What children? tendencies that are negative tendencies are completely wrong. Okay. Well, I guess Wow. All right. Can the recording please stop working again? [laughter] According to what we just learned here, no. [sighs] something of a prohibited nature. I don't want to make stuff up, okay? I'm going to suggest, however, and I'm using words, but don't get too caught up on my words. They're just words, okay? Words are approximations. we're doing our best that if everything went well in your life, even if everything went well in your life, you would still have built in somewhere a penchant for overindulgence in the permissible and you'd have to learn how to control it, but you wouldn't develop the de the the desire for forbidden things. If everything went well in your life, no trauma, perfect, great relationships, never exposed to anything you shouldn't be exposed to, if everything went plan A all the way, your your worst Yates would be that you would want to put extra toppings on your bagel, right? That would be No, that would be none. Yeah. Yeah, but the fact that we desire things that are forbidden, apparently that's coming from somewhere or to use the parliament of 2022, what happened to you? Something happened to you. Something happened. There was some damage that caused you not to be satisfied with overindulgence in the permissible. And now you crossed over. You crossed over some. How did it h I'm I don't know. I'm not pretending to know. But yeah, it's called crossing over. That's the line. What's the line? Is the line. The fact that you want to overindulge in the permissible, we know where that comes from. It's called the human condition. The fact that you crossed over to the forbidden, something happened. [sighs] So, what we're saying here is it's it's it's not inbornne. If it's forbidden, it's not inbornne. We picked it up somewhere. Yeah. I was just learning that wicked people, but all of us have the ability to fight our challenges and some of us get harder challenges than others. We all have the ability to fight those challenges that does give us and go against and say, "No, this I'm not doing it because even I'm fighting it [snorts] so hard inside. I have to be Yes. Hashem gives us all of our challenges. Look, at the end of the day, even if it's not inborn, even if it's, you know, there's nature, there's nurture, and there's a combination of the two and the cross-section or the the intersection of the two. Hashem's in control of that, too. So, however it happened, but doesn't Hashem like there are certain let's say idol worship being that I don't think anybody has now because well that's a different story. Yeah, [clears throat] that was that the idol worship was removed from the world. Yeah. So why can't remove he could of course he could remove he could remove to be tested to Of course Hashem could remove it. Yeah. Yeah. I always thought a newborn baby is like a clean slate. Where's the inborn coming from? They have trauma already. These newborn Yeah, the babies have trauma. No, but the babies are all survival. The babies are all indulgence. They a baby can't do anything with shame shamay. Yeah. I don't know if you want to go there, but what about non-Jews? Are they have the same makeup where Yeah. I don't [clears throat] When you talk about non-Jews, it's much harder because I I lack information because is really examining in detail the spiritual, psychological, emotional makeup of the Jew. So it's very hard for me to speak with any authority on what it's saying about humanity as a whole. We have Yeah. So would we say that it's natural for humanity to want to keep the chevitzvas? I don't know. I don't I don't want to make more stuff up than I already did today. [clears throat] [laughter] Okay. H. You guys want to talk about hell? No, really. No, cuz No, I'm No, I'm [laughter] We talk about Shindal G. Gary Gyax. I'm going to look it up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think I had a little bit of to the satanic panic of the early 80s that Yeah. There was like a whole big the moms in the uh What were you doing back then? I'm from uh Chicago, middle America. I [snorts] remember the 80s the uh all the the the Midwestern housewives were afraid of uh devil worshippers. Really? Yeah. So, you want to talk about hell? Yeah. No, it's the next thing here in Tanya. Oh, really? Let's do it quickly. No, because I'll tell you why. If we don't do it now, then all next week will be devoted to class about hell, and I'm just not into it. All right, so just get it. All right, let's get it over with. Pull off the band-aid, ladies. We're going to talk about hell. Okay, hell. All right. We never spoke about hell before. So you're right. So there's one place in the whole Tanya that speaks about hell and it's right here and we're going to do it. Chapter eight. Yeah. Not even the whole chapter in my life. First time. Okay. Supposed to be beyond natural. Yeah. Okay. All right. Good. this class. A lot of stuff going on today. Okay, that's before we get to hell. [snorts] Let's see what Maybe it'll get easier from there. Okay. All right. So, we said uh what we said. Yeah. So the the the desire to indulge in the permissible can can [clears throat] after all it can be redeemed. Um but before before it's redeemed and it's sitra. Yeah. So, we're talking about stuff that and we we mentioned this in the previous chapter where the the the material itself is permissible and it was just the what was okay. The how was messed up a little bit because we squandered the opportunity to do it mindfully. So, he says here what he describes a scenario where the what was okay and the how was defective. The what was kosher. The how was was lacking. I didn't I didn't think mindfully about elevating it. So afterwards, okay, so retroactively, you can go back and correct your thinking. He says, "Here's the help part." And even afterwards, [snorts] even after he corrects it, the uh the remnants of it are attached to the body because he metabolized the food that he ate without mindfulness. So now, how you supposed to get that back? It's not in flux anymore. It's not calories that can still be burned. It's flesh and blood. Every food and drink that you consume immediately starts at least immediately uh becoming metabolized and becoming your flesh and blood. So, what do you do with all the pounds you're carrying that are the physical manifestation of mindless indulgence in the permissible? So, you got to get rid of it. It's called getting knocked around in the grave to clean him up and to purify him from the impurities. that were put there from improper indulgence in the permissible. Good news though, if you were like a kadesh like Yehuda and you never indulge your whole life, then you won't have to have any Yeah. So if you never indul. And by the way, Benoadesh was was rich and he and he had his his kitchen was stocked with radishes which was a status symbol in the Roman times. Yeah. Radishes. That was like a big deal. So and here's So that's the point because if you would say he was a popper and he never indulged, he didn't have what to indulge in. No, he was rich and he had his table was full of delicacies like radishes. Even in the winter he had radishes. [snorts] Yeah. Him and Antonyos. Okay. Okay. Anyways, Valdim. Oh, so we we spoke about foods that you shouldn't eat and we and I mentioned uh forbidden uh intimate relations. Okay, here's another category just uh yeah to make life even more fun. What about silly speech? Yeah. Yeah. Just talking stupidity. Not because that's that's prohibited. Talking about permissible wasteful speech like who's not capable of learning. You know the guys in SH you guys don't know. You going to know what it's like in the men's side of shul. The guys talk about cars during davening. So boring. But then I realized, don't judge them. That's what they're capable of talking about. They can only talk about cars. What's the women's equivalent? Recipes. Was that a sexist comment? What do the women who are incapable of speaking about to What do they speak about? What? Granite. Granite countertops. Construction renovations. People. Oh. shopping. Okay. Okay. So, yeah. So, for that if you spoke silly stuff, wasteful, just ridiculous. So, for that they have a different machine in hell to Yeah. It's yeah it's called the the slingshot slingshot and it's called the slingshot from my understanding because once oh we're going to talk about it tonight the class about consciousness and memory and the afterlife that after you graduate from embodiment you're you're able to learn to and it's a wonderful shir and you're trying to pay attention to the sheir and while you're trying to pay attention to the sheir some idiot is babbling in your ear and And then you realize who's the idiot babbling in my ear? You. Me. It's the recordings of all my stupid conversations after you die. Yes. And so it's called the slingshot because I'm trying to pay attention to the class. It's a great class. And it's like, oh, what is he saying about who's in the Super Bowl? Bengals are in THE SUPER BOWL. NO, I DON'T WANT TO HEAR THAT. I want to listen to the class. And then you listen to the class and then all of a sudden it's like uh oh, you know, you could uh I can lease that car for uh $400. Oh. OH, THAT'S INTERESTING. NO, I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THAT. I WANT to But for how long do you have that slingshot? What the slingshot? How long does it last? Does last as long as Ghennom? 11 months. 12 months max. Nobody does 12 months. Nobody does the full time because we have a very liberal parole board. So 11 months. What? We already have. Yeah, it sounds like life now. Yeah. Okay. So, uh Okay. Let's finish. What about actual forbidden speech? Stuff that's actually forbidden, not just silly, actual evil speech. For instance, or for instance, late making fun of people. gossip, anything like that. That's not silly but permissible. That's actually forbidden. He says in brackets meaning alone alone is not enough. It will not help mah to remove the impurity from the soul. So he'll also get kafakella for all the lush. But it's not enough. But it's not enough because it's not just indulgent. It's actually beyond indulgent. It's forbidden. For that he has to go into the real gehennam. This stuff I don't know. This is like pre gahanam. I'm s I can't not gonna censor it. All right. All right. I promise I'm not going to speak about it again, but but we're going to speak about it here. Okay. What about we were talking about before that is is just indulgent. It's not forbidden. Yeah, but we said that was an ambit who can only speak about going to the car show on Sunday. That's all he can speak about. But what about a guy who's a and he could learn and he chooses to speak about the car show. That's actually forbidden. It's called it's called for that he needs a little gem. So the cafella the slingshot's not going to be enough. You need specific punishments for the And that's in addition to another punishment he's going to get in the snow hell. Yeah. The shall that's anytime you do something um out of fiery passion. So then you'll reexperience it as a burning shame. But if you do something out of like cold laziness, then you reexperience it as snowell. It's no help. Like it's explained elsewhere. Also a person who studies secular subjects. How bad is it? Well, it's in the category of like it says in the so if you could have been learning TA and instead you choose to study secular subjects that's also called what BLA snow so we're going to get to that we're gonna we're We're we're going to we're going to give twoatum two dispensations. We need it. Okay. All right. Let's finish up here. Got a few lines left in the chapter. He says, "By the way, it's all bad, but if you want to compare the impurity that you get from talking about um stamin meaning wasteful, silly, mindless stuff and the toma you get from studying like deep like uh I don't know, real thoughtful information like philosophy or something where there's really what to talk He says, "Actually, maybe it's even counterintuitive to some people, but the deep stuff is worse because you sit there and you talk about movies." So, it's just uh defiling your emotional faculties. It's denigrating the the emotions which come from the elemental air from the holy soul and it's defiling it by exposing it to clip. Okay. I was saying movies I'm it has to be a clip movie. Whatever that means to you. I don't know. Documentaries. That's the documentaries. Yeah. So what happens basically is the animal soul is defiling the uh the holy godly soul. That's just by talking about silly stuff, you know, Super Bowl. But if you're just speaking, yeah, sports, whatever, you fill in the blank. Silly, mindless stuff, that can only affect your emotions because it's not deep. It's not deep stuff. In contrast, if you speak about deep stuff, who [clears throat] Now, [snorts] and again, you're not talking about forbidden stuff. You're not talking about like idolatry, but you're talking about like secular. So, that's not just affecting the mid, the emotions of your godly soul. It's affecting the the intellectual faculties of your godly soul. And so here's a very deep concept about the sparks that fell to this world. At any rate, the point is that the smart stuff comes from a higher level obviously. All right. So what he's saying is if instead of learning to when you could be learning to speaking about the Super Bowl, that's not good. But it's only messing up your emotions because you can only get connected to it on an emotional level. But if you're speaking about philosophy, something deep now, it's affecting your brain as well. So it's worse. All right. You want the dispensations? Yes. Okay. So one dispensation is if you use it for an axe to chop wood. You know what it means to use it as an axe to chop wood? It's a tool for making a living. Meaning I don't love it. I'd rather be learning Tyra. It's just an axe to chop wood. I'd ra you know I'd rather be fishing. The bumper sticker. I'd rather be fishing. I'd rather be learning Tyra, but I got to make a living. So I have to learn some secular stuff. And even the making the money is ultimately to serve Hashem because he says I need to make money good money means to make good money in order to serve Hashem better. Okay, someone's got to pay tuition or the other dispensation that's that's even you know that's expert level where you can actually use your knowledge of secular information to serve Hashem directly. Not just to make money and then use the money to serve Hashem, but that you directly use your secular knowledge in your like you. Not like me. No. No. With Gary Gyak's references. Come on. That is the reasoning of the manities and the and their ilken who did study secular wisdom and they used all of it not just like the first thing to use it for your parosa to be a doctor. Raam the Rambam were doctors but [snorts] they used it also like the Rambam used his knowledge of Greek astronomy to teach the calculation of the new moon right that'll be a an obvious example all right and that's uh so you ask your mashia that's a personal that's a personal guidance question you know I'm not going to make not going to make general rules okay thanks for uh good Good. We finished chapter eight. And this is no more hell. No more hell. Yeah. Yeah.