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Tanya Hashalem #3- Rabbi Yosef Keller, Tanya of R' Aron Chitrik & Rebbe's will, Talmud- RC Dalfin
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So, we're here with Rabbi Yel Keller, a
great scholar and um it's really
wonderful hearing these things from you
because I know that I myself have no
idea about these things and I think
99.9% of don't either and you're giving
us an insight into this new time that's
coming out. Tanya Shal, we're talking
about the manuscripts that was your your
job. You know, there was an editorial
board that's that was not your job. So,
What about what about
how do I know that you said the
explanations from like um
parach and and
uh all the others are not included here.
That's what you said to us, right? from
the only I'm just curious,
did these have any access to any of this
or probably not? Well, you see that
there are certain
and that uh they're copied by by by the
so obviously Hill also also had access
to it and definitely and maybe they made
use of it and and I I actually have
somewhere somebody once gave me some
some copied a whole bunch of
that at that time mostly were not
printed wherever He quoted Tanya which
he quotes a lot to Tanya throughout the
memorial. So he he copied it. He he made
he took the uh pages of the printed
Tanya put put them on both on wide pages
so you can write on the margins some
artists. So so you see that some did
that. So obviously had some of the
definitely and he sometimes refers to
different
Now the the Tanya is is called the
fundamental foundational
of ofidism.
Do do you see do you see in any of these
manuscripts
how this is um how this is expressed
more than you know do you do you see it
more and more? In other words, we talk
about let's say the
you know especially
B
and and if you asked certain they would
tell you you know that you don't
understand with learning the my
question is
does one need to learn
you need to learn everything but does
one you know let's say
They they they learn Tanya too. Okay. Um
they give shim and
must they learn
of the other especially the
to understand properly?
>> Yeah, of course. Well, first of all, you
have certain segments in Tanya that are
explained specifically in in the whether
or
um
and and then you have explanations of
the himself sometimes refers to there's
a mimer printed in called
what's interesting about this mimer is
this mimer was printed also at the end
when the printed the second
Uh second time that printed
>> in
invulk
was was because it was Galitzia was the
second print.
>> Second print
>> first print was
>> right
>> but the second print that was because in
Galitzia they didn't allow to importic
books. So they had to print it in for
for Galitzia they had to print it in
Java. But what alter printed the second
time with when he printed the first time
the so that was the t of and then at the
end of he printed
what's interesting is
he references the
a few times and a few of the times of
the says
doesn't even say
because at that point was written that
this should be the conclusion of the
>> this was
uh and a matter of fact one of the
places in the where it says
but in the original manuscript
which was written
first said it
says
it doesn't say
because that's as wrote it as a
continuation of or signature of the
Tanya.
>> But then when Delta by the time Delta
printed it in the he added another few
pieces also referencing the Tanya and in
those pieces he writes.
So at that time he he decided already
it's not part of the that's why he first
printed it in the
when he printed it
he decided that it should be the signary
of the Tanya but he probably left the
same language as as it was printed
originally he didn't change
but by the time the
reprinted the with the
he took it out again and subsequently
it's no longer in the Now, it's possible
that the alter actually told the that
I'm planning to take it out of the time,
>> right?
>> We wouldn't know this because
>> Right. Right.
>> Um would would you say that um the the
these manuscripts
are they hard to read?
>> No. Well, it depends. So different uh
different manuscripts happen to be hard
to read but mostly the writing of the is
not that hard to read. Even the writing
of the moa is also not that hard to read
on on general in general it's not that
hard to read.
>> What about
>> yeah his manuscript is not hard to read.
Most of the manuscripts are not hard to
read. Here and there you have a writer
who was uh who didn't have such a clear
handwriting.
>> Right. Right.
>> So but but most most of when you're
talking about
most of it is is readable.
>> So, so going back to you mentioned the
you said that the Reb you see that he
the
>> you said you could see there that he he
went through manuscripts.
>> Yeah.
>> What approach did he use? What can you
tell? Well, you can tell that uh
the the the Reba had a very uh good
understanding of it. And then there are
certain things that when when they first
faced had a copy of the
of the year
and and it was one in which the
corrected and wrote corrections and
stuff and it wasn't so clear. Is this
the writing or not. And because the
wrote on the he wrote
the handwriting of my
>> safely father-in-law. Now it can mean
one of two things. Either to say this is
a copy of his handwriting. In other
words, it's his or that it's actually
his handwriting. We didn't have at the
time many of the to compare
>> but later on we got uh many more we have
a whole of the and we can see that it's
not the same but even more than that we
actually have a few pages of that of
that that are in that in the actual
handwriting of the so you can tell that
it's different
>> you can say see this is the copy and
that's that's the original so now we
know for certain that that was a copy
that he printed from, not the original.
>> Okay. But but but
>> but you see the the Reb was very he was
very uh he had a very good hush at these
things.
>> That's what I'm getting at.
We there's a from uh letters of of of
maybe some of the alter it's called
it's it's it's number 2000 and the reb
wrote an index to each of them very
detailed index I don't think it was ever
printed this index not in this format
somebody once printed it as a
printed it as a for gross his son-in-law
one of his boys whatever
>> so he printed the true photocopy of some
of the pages. But you can see that the
Reb was very good at this. The Reb at
some point give trusted all his
manuscripts to the to the Reb and the
Reb wrote an index of each manuscript
and and in the first page it would say
okay what's the last page of of the the
last what and what the Reb would copy.
At one point we thought that it's
telling us how many pages there are but
then it seemed no he's he's just copying
from the mak okay which which because
otherwise he'd have to turn the pages as
that's why he just looked at the what it
said the last uh page that it is
>> so
what do you call such a
a bibl a bibliographer
>> a researcher uh who
>> so so
my question is Why didn't Rabbi do this?
I thought he was a big expert in
manuscripts.
>> No, this was done. This the Reb did in
in in when when he was uh before he was
Reb, he did most of this work. This
>> No, I understand. I'm I'm asking
>> this the work that you're doing. Why
didn't do it for his
work that the Reb gave detailed
instructions how we should do it?
and he did it exactly as
he as he was told.
>> But they now decided that they want to
make in addition to that something
similar to the original plan of the
figured that this is more or less uh
>> Uhhuh.
>> that's why they call
>> Okay. So what I'm hearing is that that
in his mind would have told you that he
did the tany. He he did exactly the
rebba actually asked them to make
and as a matter of fact the rebba wanted
to make sure that it's p line after line
from the you're not retyp setting the in
lines everything is followed
>> right he was given detailed instructions
exactly how to do it and he did it
exactly that way
>> right
>> obviously uh there were certain things
that he modified uh for instance at some
point he actually uh made numbers on on
on uh on the words of the Tanya and and
the notes were at the bottom rather than
coming at the end of the page. Whatever
he you can see the by the time he did
the looked a little different or sim of
a looked totally different than than
perhap
right right but so but this new Tanya is
is more is
>> in a way it's more in a way it's less
obviously it doesn't do all all of the
lut and Right.
>> Just does Peter from the CN,
>> right?
>> And obviously,
>> right? Okay, we'll just have one more
segment