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along the shadaf and the sugis over here
of tanka that we're going through way
way way too even if we did a few raid
bites it would be too fast so uh we're
going through this way too quickly so I
just thought that as it relates to raid
just to lighten up the dolphin a little
bit to speak out a uh nifla
from the bdish of
hassiharu
margles And this is from hiser.
Now why are we going to speak out now
from that safer? So speak out of my
goals. I don't think we need an excuse
stating that few days ago we had I think
it was on the gar mentioned aid by the
name of baruli. Baruli was removing the
gdanosha and he was doing it in the
presence of the great amra and gave him
a little muser and he got so scared that
he dropped his knife but there was a man
who name
and
says take a look at what I wrote in my
form
and on page
I give a shout out to Barb and I say
something about his name. So taking the
lead of we're going to go through a
little bit the beginning of the
specifically chapter one and that's
called
pseudonyms in the what's a pseudonym? A
pseudonym is like a nickname, a pen
name, uh not real name that sometimes
was used and margles has a how you find
that there were different tan and that
are mentioned in shas who were known not
by their real name but rather by some
sort of
truth is this is something that over the
years we've talked about it's scattered
in in some of the rabbites and really
the
to this is it's And it's safe from
and this is the way
starts his just going to read the first
paragraph [snorts]
says I found
that there are many whose name is
mentioned very infrequently in
maybe this uh
one that is attributed to him maybe it's
not even it's yet
he was known in my opinion by a name
that's associated with that he saidd
this is very famous he says there's a
his name wasdah
he's mentioned in
the mission over there says that if
somebody's walking in the street And he
saw
he saw three coins that were stacked one
on top of the other. So the
you can't keep them at even though
you're allowed to keep that's from the
but if you saw them stacked then is not
saidd.
The only time this is true is if they
were stacked like a migdal they were
stacked like a tower. says
that you have a his name wasdah what
kind of name is migdalah never heard so
he says let's be honest it's probably
because of thisdah
said aboved
and that's probably why he was known by
that name IT'S A PSEUDONYM IT'S NOT his
real name it wasn't at the priest where
they saidd
that's probably not what it was but
rather it wasdah that's he said and he
became known based on
He said whose name was and he said it's
to me because he's the one that said
smelled. He had a that was coming from
him. He wasn't allowed to do.
So too, if you have someone who's mis
somebody that smells, he would not be
allowed to leave the benching
is the one that said regarding
he was known as because he's the author
of this. He said I found another
he's mentioned in
you know what he says in
he turns and he asks what would be if
somebody says
and then another person would say me too
now specifically the case was where he
said
and the other person went and he said me
too what's did he mean to be as well
when that person has a child or maybe
when I have a child. Maybe what he meant
to say was
you're so excited. You want to have this
child so badly. You're even making
I'm telling you when you have this
child,
I'm going to love this child like it's
my own. I'm going to take care of this
child. Beni is mentioned one place in it
was where someone asks uh where somebody
said
and the other person said DOES HE MEAN
HE WAS THE ONE WHO asked this that's why
he was known as
says it's a to bring us at a time with
said that it says in
I never heard of and the one thing he
ever said in his life was
the only thing that's mentioned over
here in I should say is
so
is it a coincidence that he became known
as not the regular
probably because it is that he said
either way he con concludes and he says
I have many more such examples
There's no one ever who had this
pun intended because it comes from was
mentioned in the was that I'm the one
that brought this in to the world that
sometimes you have this connection
between a and that he said in he's known
by that name not because that was his
real name but that's his pseudonym so to
speak that's his alias and he gets known
as The he saidd
was mentioned
who's the one that said
does he mean
who's mentioned the first of inillos
a few first of all said there was no one
before him that ever had this he said
that if you take a look at one of the
commentaries on the that was written by
Ramosi
lived in the 14th century. He was a
super commentary on the [laughter] and
this is a paras he makes this
observation and he's mafaling it a
little bit that's 500 years before he
says not just that the take a look under
says the he was called because he said
regarding the
and that's why he's known as AND HE SAYS
BY THE WAY I found it in to say that as
well. This is a 100 years or so before
regarding the
why was it called because
he said regarding one of the that are
mentioned in the
but the bottom line is that I'm the
first one that says
it's not true. I found it by in his I
found it in the and I found it already
in the again not but they all were
already this is not the really
he continues and he says that really
after I've seen other people work with
this as well and says I have to be
honest with you I'm not masking to some
of the things I said I saw he quotes
from a s called this is a a pish that
was written on the adus it was printed
one time in vna in the year tough lad
right it's fun when you have a
photographic memory but the bottom line
is it was printed one time in tammed z
in the in the town of vna and he said
that yid went and he said he was mammish
he was mafing this Indian in an
incredible way he went so far as to say
that he believes shiman ben lish that's
a funny name lish what kind of name is
lish said I think raim ban lish gets
known as rashim ben lish not because his
father's name was lish I don't think
that's the I think the reason he's known
as
is because of a
par
and over there is talking about when
made his business deal with we went
through that business deal if you
remember
went through it and they had a deal I'm
going to get this and you're going to
get that and
what exactly the deal was
love was going to get the older ones
the love was going to get the lishas the
luckishes he was going to get the later
ones so this
said that to me this whole name lish I
always found to be interesting and I
think that the reason he was called lish
is he's A BEN LUCKISH BASED ON THIS
member that he said in
you now it's good to
lish but to say he was known by This was
his that he said. He went a little bit
further. He said, "We're familiar with
Mam." He said, "I think was called
because his father's name was Mam."
Again, never heard name Maml. Who's
Maml? Mamal, right? Who's Maml? He said,
"I think the reason he's called Abar Mam
is based on
where the Gumra is discussing. If
somebody sells a Bad, what's included?
What's not included?" And one of the
things that's included is the maml. And
the gummor says, "My m who answered the
question?
So said I'll tell you what a mam is. So
this said that I think the reason is
called mam is based on this. So mar is
said we we have to slow down a little
bit. He said he found one mera that
onera who's mentioned 4,000 times in ch
and has something to do with you. The
whole thesis is is that
is not a frequently mentioned
and based on that it's maybe to sayd is
called based on the fact that he said
this
is compelling
it's called based on this one of of this
memor that he said he said way too hard
for me to understand that he said
besides what about Rab Yehuda Ben Lish
who's mentioned in Shabasim
and Yuma Nuniml right forgot about him
he's also called Ben Lish when you have
a member that he won her says there's
something being you could be a Ben
luckish and that's why he was called Ben
Luckish now says Ru Margar is stating
that I'm going to be might have been mix
to this yet cuz I agree the name Lish I
don't think is a real name again we're
going to take Marggo's word for it
that's usually our policy when it comes
to this right so you know the expression
is you pick on someone your own size I'm
going to take Ra Margos's word. But the
bottom line is Ra says I'll be mix I to
me the name Lish is a little bit of a
funny name. But I don't think he's
called Lish because of that. First of
all it can't be that's one out of
thousand hundreds thousands of memories
of Rishkish. And he says besides but
what about Lish? He said well I'll tell
you what I think. I think there was a
city that was known as Lish and he was
known as Ben Lish not because his
father's name was Lish but as
he says by the way
that I found Margolus in this in a safe
how's this for who brings from Berlin
the great
Berlin right the most often quoted
that Berlin was bothered he said How did
Rabimish become ralish? You ever think
about that? How did he become ra What
does slugish mean? Rabim banish became
ralish
is known as zak. What does that mean?
Ra. Oh yeah. Here it's like it's short.
It's abbreviated for right. Why is he
called rakish? Says I don't think it's
to say I actually believe that. He says
that there was a city called Lish and
Egra
of Lish and that's why he was known as
Lish and he said don't make from this
because those brings
dedicated his whole life to this heined
very much and he did not know why was
known as Lakish he wasn't simply happy
there is like the
there is no person lish but he was from
the city of Lish and he was also the
head of Lish by the who would have been
lish also came from lish but he wasn't
rakish because he was never the murder
but the bottom line is ra lish comes
from lish and he's known as ra lkish
because he's the murder he says as it
relates to maml so I'll be honest with
you I hear the horror as well maml I
don't think that's a name I don't think
maml is a name the problem is to say
that maml is known as mam because of
what he said in regarding someone that
tells
it's impossible RIGHT HE NAMED
IT'S JUST NOT. IT DOESN'T even get on to
first base. It's not possible, right? It
can't even be. But [laughter] besides,
we found
so there's three more mammals that never
said a word about the mamul.
Not I'll shame that father was M because
I agree I I never heard of a name M I'll
shame and by the way you're not sure if
there's a place called Mur
that talks about the base is I'll tell
you even more than that there's a
said that's probably what it was it was
the city that's known as that's who all
these mam our fear of
but the bottom line is to say this about
and to say this about this is already uh
this is already pushing it I think this
is too
says I think evendah
which is ground zero this is the one
everyone knows that ground zero form
even that I think is I think it's and
the reason is because is mentioned in
other places in chas as well he's
mentioned
and in other places as well.
You can tell me where's
the per this is before a right
by the way there was another whose name
wasdah
he didn't say anything about
and by the way he's mentioned he brought
his peric and embraces rabble why is he
known as migdalah the terret says
is from Lukesh and is giving from and is
giving from so I agree with the thesis
says I think it's fantastic and it's not
goes back already to in his classic
commentary on the but at the same time
but at the same time he says I think
which is the starting point for all of
this I don't even think that's right and
certainly
that's way way way way beyond the scope
So say I'm going to give you my own
list. Let me give you my list who I
think is mentioned in your midashim who
I think these are not real names but
these are the synonyms
[snorts] histo by the way is he says you
know so you need a license to say this
sometimes right even wrote a safe which
we talk about all the he has a 50page
before he wrote it because he could even
write something like this so you need a
license if you're ever going to do
something like this and his license is
talks about the great and the says
yeah his name was boon
so I was called
because of the that happened with the
with the son and the deal and the bad
remember
that incredible incredible
but the bottom line is is that his name
wasn't his name was boon so why they
call
And he says it's interesting by the way
ever make this observation all the
nicknames
I don't know if this is because they
have aliases but the bottom line is all
these super RICH GUYS NO NONE OF THEM
WERE known by their regular name they
all had pseudonyms but either way
but you want a license to say
name is boon
we he's known as nakim because of
something that happened to him. So there
could be a musk that somebody would be
known by a name because of something
because of something that not happened
to him because of something that he
said. Here's a a very abbrevi
remember I is mentioned in one place in
one
a person can make it tonight regarding
and he's mentioned
right so a person let's say heard that
is going to be coming to he's not sure
and he wants to make to be to go here
this year. Problem is he doesn't know
which way to make. So with the prayer he
could do it says
the even though it says you could do
such a thing it's wrong.
You can't make one of these.
This is the only
in
right he said you have to figure out
you have to figure out where is so
that's why right why is he calling him
an ali because we don't know his real
name so he's the whose name we don't
know he GETS KNOWN AS WHAT HE GETS KNOWN
as it's because he's the one that said
YOU HAVE TO
YOU HAVE TO KNOW IF HE'S coming to the
mid or coming to the mar. Here's another
one.
Our favorite of all time, right?
So why was Ila known as he says I don't
know if was his real name.
Says when came back to this, right? So
he saw became the and said that had I
stayed in yeshiva, I'm telling you I
would have been the rasha as a matter
that they told him. And so he said
really you're telling me that I'm less
than ask me any ask me anything show me
a price and if I can't be pion from a
Mishna you'll see what's going to happen
so he went
he suspended himself from the mast of a
ship and he said that if I can't figure
one old person took him a little too
literally he says yeah you know what's
about this and that he said
an ila in Aramaic is a ship he says I
think he became known as because of this
incredible story. It's a real story
where he makes this grand spectacle. He
says that's how he became known as
but that's not really what his name was.
He says
they discuss if somebody asks advice and
he gives him the right advice he gives
him the wrong advice. So there's a whole
sugara tells a story that somebody went
to Danka and Iser. These were two money
changers. One was danka, the other one
was Isser and they asked them something
and they gave them the wrong advice and
the was that they were off the hook. He
says interesting that money changers
would be known as danka and iser, right?
What a what's a danka in Aramaic? Money.
What's an isser? It's money. He said I'm
assuming they were called danka is
because this was their gash. They were
money changers. He says by the way if
that's the case
that mentions one time in
you know the says he had 12,000 and he
had it by you have a guy whose name is
is and
this is 12,000 the is his first name was
cash right
this is his name so the bottom of
literally cash by the way this is what
he's and as a result he became known as
is this is how he's known for all uh for
all generations. [snorts]
Ever heard this name two places in
he's also mentioned in
funny name says a rumor goes pure to me
why he's called
this is this is one nobody would ever
get he says it to me he said because if
you look at that he said he's talking
about of
walls right uh so if you have two I
can't make my wall too close to your
wall it's discussing is related to walls
The P says in Ezra this is pervas.
So this is in the first year of the
reign of the kingish Cyrus the great
mala to aim. Soish the king he issues a
decree an edict.
I want the base of mdra to be built.
Assar the
city where the msbayak is and carbon is
not going to be brought
and the walls are going to be founded.
It should be 60 tall.
X
glow plus I want the walls to be made up
of rows rows of stone three stones on
each row.
The word
means wall and the world word means
wall. These are very Aramaic words over
here in peric in say for Ezra but means
wall and means wall. Ashad who said two
is one of them is regarding you ever
heard a name like said it's posit
because he said regarding walls knew
these Ezra that talk about and they knew
that is a wall and is a wall and that's
how he became known as that name Benbach
this is another famous one right why
wasb called
and we're both the same person Right?
Bag are both the same person and they're
both Ben Grim and what what sh is
because B giml is five and he is also
five and we know that a got the he and S
got the hey and being that Ara and S
both got the H. So that's why they
become known as Ben Bagbag and Behei.
Incidentally, Rab Margol says that he
always thought that I don't know if Ben
Bagbag was really a a G, but it could be
Ben Bagbag was called Benbagbag cuz he's
the son of a G.
>> [snorts]
>> In fact, Bagbag is Ben Garus.
Says it could be his father was a G and
his mother was a guaras and he's known
as Ben Bagbag. Bag means Bengurus. He
says if that's the case, it would open
up a little bit of our mind because in
Shablam there's a Tan who's known as
Yehuda Bengrim is Yehuda Bengrim. He
said I also found inf
someone whose name is Yehuda Ben
Gregoras. How's that for a name? Yehuda
Ben Gregor. He said I think Yehuda
Bengor is the same name. Ben Garam is
like Ben Bagbback. His father's a gay,
his mother's a Gar, hence he's Ben
Garam. And Ben Groas is the same thing.
It's Ben Gar vigorous. Hence, you end up
with a name like like Benus. Here's
another one. There's someone that's
mentioned one time in his name is Ben
Shalus. That's his name. Ben Shalus. is
mentioned
over there says
so we know is allowed to do up until
what point is allowed to do so
until
that's the point that she's allowed to
do it the over there says
when I went to Rabaka said
I don't agree with this and
I never heard of Benalus so my goals
Rabaka already was heard named Benalus.
He says, "I don't think his name was
really Ben Shalus. I don't think his
name was Ben Shalus." is if I take a
look at the
it says when is
and the raom says in what does it mean
when it develops here the word could
mean here and that's why he was called
because his one from him and
Cyrus and that's where I never heard of
Benalus that wasn't his real name this
was a pseudonym and he's called this
name because this is the one this is the
one
that he said this goes on and on and on.
He talks about
who was
that we say he was
he once talked very shy to and he became
right he was physically he was
physically harmed. Why was he called
Benisi? He says maybe because the tanum
says that one of the nim was
andi says that was
the hell is when he he was at Milo
something bad went up to soci who did
whatusi did and that was
so it's for that reason he too became
known as that one last one he says you
know the great is known sometimes as
what
he says if you take a look at rashi in
Sanhedrin
Rashim is why he was known as Nafka. He
brings two shot. One shot is he says
because his father was a a blacksmith
and a blacksmith. That's why some he's
known as Barafra. Then he says another
shot is because he was very handsome and
Nafka has something to do with being
handsome. So it says Rolas being that
Rashi said. So it's clear didn't have a
clue. So if you could say two I could
already say a third and he says maybe
because
discussing that we know ordinarily on
his one of the exceptions is is
he said it's talking about a certain
type of where it was done by a
blacksmith
he said I had to be the real in
when is it It's
Margolus. I know this is going to
undermine a little bit what I said
earlier. That's someone who we have
hundreds or if not thousands of
mentioned in there's no way there's one
member that he said that's going to be a
a guiloy and why he was called by why he
was called. That's why we knocked out
in the beginning of this rabbi. He said,
"But this line, I've never seen a line
like this in my life."
said was so happy with the that he had
to be
that he said
who knows if that's not why sometime not
always it's usually just the great that
maybe sometimes he would become known he
would become known as
again if Rashi I wouldn't say anything
but Rashi himself was already unsure
already Rashi saying maybe you're ready
you can go ahead and you could say a
third but the bottom line is what began
with a thesis
he says with regards to
and we mentioned that
already said they say
others said it regardless
says I can't even fathom but went
through he went through a list of close
to 40.
Oh, by the way, we left that we left out
the main one. Barb, right? We said there
was bari in. So why is bari called
barpuli? Because you know what it means
to do a mice appeal? It means to be a
maner. Says b. That's why he was called
barpuli. Why else would he been known as
barpuli? Because this was his f. This is
what he used to do for a living. And
it's for that reason that this is what
uh he was known by. And that's why he
was known as Ra Puli. But the bottom
line is he says if you look around I
found close to 40 different times where
it's to me that the pseudonym that he
got was based on this is chapter one in
the
chapter two he goes in a little bit of a
different angle. He says I found another
thing and this he says I found countless
times. He says literally countless
countless times and that is you find
sometimes with and would say
that had something to do with their
name. He said they're not called by the
name because of what they said but
because goes the other way around. It's
a chicken and an egg. It's because of
their name they had a and he goes
through just giving examples one after
another. He starts from he does a he was
super methodical right just to mention a
few.
It's not a coincidence.
You ever see him again said
he said take a look at
said
that's not that's not a right that's not
a coincidence. He says
you just said something about what's
your name? Oh, my name's Shan. That's my
name. I don't think it's a coincidence.
He said,
he said, he said it in three places in
coming up. He said, you know, it's the
only three places in that you find the
all three times. I don't think it's
aesh. How about
what about
we've mentioned this in the past?
He said, "By the way, you know how many
times talks about the region Yehuda?"
So,
why is he not talking about the Galil?
Why is he talking about Yehuda? He said
his name was Yehud.
talking about.
This is this is you get the theme,
right? This just goes on and on and on.
The sheer brilliance of of putting
together a piece like this is just not
nea. which is not nea just reminds you
of how
the break the kite of of the there's so
many that you can open where you see the
is something that goes to such an
incredible way but either way why we
talk about this in like I said excuse
because bari was mentioned invaris
[snorts]
has him in his list of top 40 pseudonym
In sh he was known as barbuli because he
was a manacer.