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welcome back to mishak take two where
the personalities and the people you
read about in the pages of the magazine
come to life over the last few months
we've had some pretty high-profile
guests we've had A-list from singers and
leading asonam and big speakers and big
thinkers I would venture to say that
today's guest in terms of impact can
rival or exceed any of them in terms of
the reach and the significance of what
he brings every day to the table it's R
gal it's thank you for making time for
this I know this is very much not
your for you it's my style I appreciate
I'm very happy to be here especially in
the seat that as you say Giants Saturn
before and I'm looking forward to our
discussion I I appreciate it I I have to
say that as somebody that I'm in touch
with frequently I speak to you often I I
always learn new things about you I
think that there's a lot about you and
about the way you do things that people
maybe don't know and if we could dive a
little deeply into it I think there's a
lot of relevant lessons to be learned
for everybody in their own lives
businesses and their own world take me
back there was a Thursday the end of
June end of C 5 years ago and your
father's in the hospital it's a Thursday
morning and he's sending work emails
from his phone and he's going to come
back to the office soon he's not feeling
great but he's expected to do well and
be back at work soon and people are
coming in talking to him about work
rated think Thursday and shabas is is no
longer alive and Sunday is the
L and then there sh and while you're
reeling from that chock someone the back
of you mind you know that the next
Sunday or the next Monday morning you're
walking into an office and expect it to
assume control of what the front world
looks at as as apple or Microsoft or
Amazon it's it's Blue Chip company tell
me about that
week I remember Friday afternoon before
my father was niy n on a shabas morning
he was as you say making phone calls
sending out emails he was getting ready
to come back figured another few days
he'll be out of rehab at that point and
he'll be coming back um I Wasa came to
my house shabas morning and we went to
my Manor's hospital I went to my man's
hospital and he was nift shortly
thereafter and I remember turning to my
brother-in-law du who was with me and
saying wow my life is about to
change and it was just such a whirlwind
what shabas I remember calling Feinstein
zal at that time you know he's the
father of AR we'll get into
later and just breaking down talking to
him and the shock of just getting the
emails from people around the world and
I know everyone had the same feeling can
artol go on is it even possible my
father was a giant he was larger than
life and I always say J shatenstein gave
me the best advice everyone was telling
me you have large shoes to fill large
shoes to fill and he told me many times
I spoke to him M shabas and a few times
during that week and we speak every week
since then and he always told me Galia
just remember you don't have large shoes
to fill you have your shoes to fill and
if you do that you're going to be
successful
it's beautiful and it definitely
impairing to a young person I can
understand it but at the same time your
father filled every crevice of this
building there was no part he wasn't
involved in he wasn't uh you know I know
you worked with him hand in hand for so
many years but he wasn't a big delegator
he did a lot of things himself he had a
lot of energy so what was it like
practically so it's very interesting
because a lot of people feel that my
father was someone who was very
controlling and had to have his 10
fingers on everything and really be in
charge of everything but in retrospect
it obviously wasn't true means he wanted
to be involved in the details but he
obviously empowered the people around
him to become Giants in their field and
the proof is that
when took him away from us oll didn't
only continue but it thrived so looking
back he was a genius he knew exactly
what he was doing he let everyone have
the space they needed he trained us and
he trained us to be the best at what
we're going to be whether it was myself
or working with RAB Sherman Ria Brer
everyone in this building what would you
tell let me ask like this m magazine had
a piece now in the suus issue about
success as people who assumed control of
their father's businesses usually after
the father passed away sometimes after
retirement and they said what was some
of the things that your father did that
you do differently that means your
father was dealing with his times his
era his challenges and you you must have
your own Mark what would be something
that you would say say your father was
great but what would you tell a young
person in terms of making it
yours I would say that you have to think
for yourself means you have to I always
tell people say how are you why is Aro
being so successful now and I say
because I'm really standing on my
father's shoulders and if I think that
way it means he built a base and I'm
just building on the base that he right
put into place on that foundation so
it's not like starting from scratch like
okay let's get rid of the foundation and
let's start digging again that would be
impossible then you're starting a
business from scratch but if people
would realize and especially younger
generation they all come into their
parents businesses and right away I know
better my father doesn't know what he's
doing and why are they doing it this way
but as you mature and you watch the
process you see many times there's a
reason someone who built a successful
business did it and they knew what they
were doing so instead of coming in and
trying to destroy right so
I'm going to take it down and I'm going
to build myself just stand on what they
built and continue building but other
things you do differently than
him I would say when it comes to
Heritage Foundation which we'll get into
my father was probably at a point where
he had the people he was very close with
those dedicators he was close with and
that was his core people and I don't
think he really
connected much with expanding to the
younger generation there were a few
individuals that he did and they were
very close with him but in general I
find that and I found that after this
happened people rallied around me and I
think that was part of my father's
genius also it wasn't just the
relationship like it's all about May LTZ
and these people but he instilled in
them this understanding that art scroll
is going out and changing the world and
you're part of that we're Partners it's
not me and you this is a partnership and
I feel that as in a every business when
one partner pieres on and the other
partners want the business to thrive so
what happens they're going to Rally
around they're going to say okay let's
do it and I really feel they owned that
responsibility only the respon it's
incredible and and that was also part of
his genius of making the people around
him feel right Friends Business
Associates dedicators understanding that
this is yours it's not mine had did that
work use an example Sherman spoke at the
father it was a very moving speech and
he tearfully recalled making a coffee
every morning and coming into your
father's office and they started the day
he said your father had already been
there earlier you know he was and he
would come with the coffees they would
sit down they would chose for a few
minutes get in the same frame of mind
what they had to accomplished and part
ways he said Galia tomorrow morning I'm
going to make a coffee for you now I
don't know on a practical level if he
makes you a coffee or not coffee was
there
how is someone like that able to look at
you who's much younger than him next
generation and be able to continue to do
what they were doing when working in
tandem with somebody from another you
know that's a great question but you
have to ask serman the truth is that his
he's so humble he's a giant RAB Sherman
is a godle in our time he's a giant but
for him to really humble himself to me
which made me feel very uncomfortable is
all part of the success again nothing at
Arts gos about any individual we just
finished an editorial meeting earlier
today with the top top people who are
running our projects Bailey herzka and
zie misel and the Dana Brothers Giants
Giants and we're really looking for more
people to join the staff and write as
editors and know we had someone come in
maybe it would help us look for people
and they said what is the number one
thing you're looking for and every
single editor and writer and you know
member of the K in the room said someone
who understands that we're working as a
team if it's someone who just thinks
that it's about them they're not going
to be happy here it's a cuz that's
called sort of a it's really sort of a
is certainly a like you said you have
yourself and you
have each one of them is legendary and
you don't seem to have any politics it's
not a real M then it's what's a m
without somebody just it's amazing I I
wish on every
organization they should have the sh
that we have it's unbelievable it's it
because no one looks at it that it's
about them I have to ask you a question
forgive it what is our I never I never
got this clear is it an organization is
it a nonprofit is it a business I I
don't understand the structure of okay
so let I explain to you the structure
how work we have a business called M
Publications we're Publishers means if
Sly Bessa decides to write a story book
or spe or p Crone or someone writes a
novel a cookbook a children's book like
you go to any publisher you have a
finished manuscript and you go over to
the publisher and say Here's my
manuscript and the general process of
publishing is the publisher takes a
manuscript edits it proof reads it does
p pagination printing binding sales
everything involved from the time the
manuscript is written until it goes out
to the public and then how does the
author make money the author makes money
by a royalty so for every book book that
sells a author gets a
royalty that's the business model and
that's a business that's a business
clear business and we don't take any
Public Funding for that part of the
business because it's
profitable however there's parts of what
we do is that my father had this dream
of taking Torah works and opening it up
to the public which is a very expensive
proposition we have a k which we call a
k without walls because it's not in one
place
we have a k of over 100 youngite that
are working on various projects is it
100 people working out School T projects
now on Tor projects yeah wow okay and
just to take an example of a the Shas
cost over $25 million to produce 73
volumes over 15 years which anyone on a
business level would say we can't invest
that kind of money it's impossible so
the same way people are supporting Kim
who are putting out interest or go to
the secular World there are colleges
that have their own press and you could
have some Professor wants to write a
book on butterflies how butterflies fly
how do they publish that obviously it's
not a profitable thing they have finds
one person who loves butterflies and
says you know what I want the world to
know about butterflies so I'm going to
pay for the manuscript to be written
about butterflies okay now it's written
they take that manuscript they go to a
publisher to publish the book so we're
doing the same thing so theage
Foundation which has an oversight of the
top mins in the country watching
everything we do is taking is really
giving people this and asking people to
say listen you
want you're not making if it will sell
or make money when you're not up to
sales now we're producing a manuscript
so we take top scholars in the country
and they're learning and they're writing
and they're preparing the manuscript
that is the only thing that M Foundation
is paying for now there's a manuscript
they need a publisher to publish it so
they go from the non for-profit that
paid for the manuscript to the publisher
so now the publisher which is M
Publications takes the manuscript and
publishes it there's a lot of course
involved whether it's the final proof
reading pagination cover design
advertising and they go out and sell the
book many books sell many books don't
how many people are buying Daniel in
tanak so there are some books that your
father did and that you're doing that
you knew were not ever going to make
recoup what you invested most of them
did any of them surprise you and you
said wow that that actually end up
selling well I mean something like the
stone Kish obviously was you know that
money goes back into the foundation
though some goes back into the
foundation from but again we have an
agreement the Missori harage Foundation
with M Publications that M Publications
is not allowed to make more than a
certain profit on those books if any
profit at all and they're watching it if
there's any profit above a certain level
the money has to go back to the
foundation that get twice a year okay I
think I think but but that's that's the
only way to produce these books and then
what happens is we take you worry that
people are like me are confused about
that people are they don't understand
like o what do they need my money for I
I didn't want to ask it like that not
question I know but that was the
question I was asking like is it a
business or is it a foundation or who is
also you have to realize we take let's
say take a novel okay a regular novel
was selling for $27 list price his store
is paying us about $16 you take a volume
of let's do a volume like that which is
same number of pages as a novel it has a
gorgeous embossed cover gold
stamped and you know the amount of work
and the the the cost that goes into it
CU you're going to print less and you
are a story book more story books are
selling that also raises the cost we're
selling you for the same
$31 I got it so it's being subsidize so
not only is the
dedicator making the work available and
opening up to by having the COO work on
the manuscripts that's subsidizing the
price to the public it's like we always
say a gamor based on if this would be a
business model a volume of a gar should
cost $150 right doesn't now what do you
do every day you come to the office so
you're just fundraising all day what do
you what is your role my role is to deal
with Publications authors to make sure
I've spoken to you in books I've written
you're you're busy with the captions
under the pictures you seem to be busy
with the details of the books too
depends on the book so most books we
don't get involved with you I do and we
work on captions and we had a great time
doing the R Train book Etc but it's more
of a um overall level in other words
what are we publish ask you what your
budget
is our budget Heritage Foundation $85
million a year so you're raising 8 half
million you don't have a fundraising
team you don't have a development team
you don't we have a lot of good friends
who understand the
need I mean can I ask a question how
many Arts gr books sish to Hill
are you using a day on
average not you the average person
certainly true it's more than that at
least I was looking around on over the
season starting
from going through going
through and you say where where would we
be where would my kids be if they they
they would they would have no access to
any of this so certainly true that art
scho a lot of people say they changed
the world it's maybe even a
in the world every day is no question
but that's still a lot of money for you
to have to raise the people in this Kyle
that you talked about are getting checks
every month every week every week you
send a check to all those people and
they're sitting in in Bay or in lwood or
in
Yesa and if somebody wants to join that
they could how would somebody I'm just
thinking there must be people we would
welcome people if people could write and
they could someone knows how to learn
and they just articulate and difference
themselves be able to break down the
take projects for new writers if
people and we could go quicker we're
working now on inov tus
z um was Hebrew projects that they say
for we're working
Oni y it's endless a big stra on your
father father your sh is a tremendous
strain on your father no yeah they said
it will not be done 51 volumes there was
no chance he wouldn't find sponsors he
wouldn't find writers he was discouraged
to to Mr J shatenstein
to Jay and Genie's credit and their
family um he has always stepped up
doesn't cover the whole budget but he's
always the anchor to make these large
projects possible and everyone knows
that Jay sh is a very smart businessman
he wouldn't be dedicating volumes if he
didn't see right the the need and the
what he has accomplished in his life is
just incredible and everyone's using it
everyone we are probably the only
organization that's accepted in all
areas of yish think about it who doesn't
use who doesn't use our art B anywhere
any type of community whether it's the
Hebrew
MN Hebrew or would you let anybody be a
dedicator if somebody came in with their
checkbook or are you discriminating and
who you would take money from I wouldn't
say discriminating but my father taught
me that we have to be careful we take
money have you turned away people we
have can we talk about yourself now a
little bit a little a little less about
Oscar a little bit about you if you want
I want to share a fun fact with our
viewers that they may not know you're
very hardworking person I you know just
this summary told me that because
Fridays in the summer the staff gets off
a lot of people go upstate so you you
extend the work day by an hour every day
of the week not to lose this serious
work ethic going on over here and you
feel it anytime you come in and yet and
yet the same AB gal
who literally moves from call to call to
call and and and is always working takes
three days off a year that's convocation
with his family no but they go to cat
Monk and oversee Kal now you're in cat
monk in the Summers anyhow your wife is
the cother you go out for shabas but
Cola three work days this play Shots
down shouldn't say the play Shots down
but you're not here the boss isn't here
what's up with that explain me what
motivates you to do that what the
decision making is to go referee hockey
games you're a k Bo boy see what let's
talk about camp in general I think we've
spoken about this many times that camp
saves lives on a spiritual level and on
emotional level you know Yeshiva is a
most important thing kids have to go to
school they have to go to Yeshiva but as
we know they don't have the outlets in
Yeshiva that they have during the summer
and not everyone can make it in Yesa so
they try and that we have wonderful reum
they work with them but those same reum
he ask every one of them who works in a
camp and you have a child in Camp now a
camper in Camp a staff member and I can
think of so many of them that thrived
doing a piece of art in col or they were
good in sports or they were good at
singing or they were good at acting and
it gave them the self-confidence then to
go back to Yesa and to thrive after such
a summer I always say maybe someone
can't can't understand it but in general
you look at col War as a microcosm of
life it's a opportunity you have a
general you have captains you have the
people under the captains everyone has a
job and you have to get along with
people I don't like your idea for a
banner well too bad I'm the general well
how do you speak to the guy under you do
you force it down his throat or do you
talk it down you learn to be political
about it what happens when a kid messes
up and what what do you why do you have
to be there what is your role I don't
have to be there believe me color will
run without me I feel if there's one
part I don't regret anything in my life
I love what I do and you know I love
what I do but going into and having the
opportunity to be younger people would
have been a dream of mine to do I would
love it I heard this from your father
many times you wanted to be a you wanted
to be a right and bar what I'm doing I
wouldn't trade with anyone we're
changing the world we're helping
hundreds of thousands of people but the
opportunity of being camp and after we
were married we got married we were
there for six years married I was
assister that counselor and then when my
wife got the job as the camp mother and
Camp 16 years ago we grabed the
opportunity I'm there weekends I
interact with the counselors with the
campers with the staff and maybe that's
just getting it out of my system that
idea of this is a great time of to sit
at a fa on a Friday night
speak to the teenagers hear their
challenges maybe subconsciously it helps
art also to hear what the today's
teenagers need what today's councils
need the kids need to be in touch on
their hearts and Minds it's it's
something that's so do bother you that
camp in general has become I wouldn't
say less cool but a lot of the B over
the last few years talked a lot about
this in the magazine we've talked about
this personally they'd rather go some of
them want to go on road trips some of
them don't want to go to camp at all
sometimes you achieve a schedule which
you know when you are counselor allowed
for the to go to Camp the Shas don't
want them to go to Camp they miss his
man you must you brought up two separate
points on the first point I feel it part
of today's lack of a in today's
generation a kid went to camp and he had
counselors who invested so much into him
and he was there from 10 11 12 13 14 15
all of a sudden he turns 19 and the Next
Generation needs him and that's I'm off
on my road trip what with your you think
that they know that about themselves
you're saying it's probably don't even
know themselves that they can make a
difference so but they so much appointed
out to them I think they do know I think
they're aware of it and they just say I
have to worry about myself I need my
time I need my road trip but they're
cheating themselves forget about forget
about that that that they're not giving
back they're cheating themselves do you
know how much a would gain from being in
a bunk and being able to articulate and
speak to a younger camp
and give over what he learned give over
the he has why are you not doing that
what are you gaining from the road trip
seeing Another Mountain that's really
that's that's what you're gaining wow
okay this I I haven't heard from you
like this that's that's one you're
dreaming because they're not they're not
going to get that message it's not it's
not they're not going to there has to be
a better plan than telling the that we
have to figure what to tell them we have
to figure out the I think they this was
the G quality counsel is very hard it is
right the second part is what you said
the yeshivas aren't working with the
camps now that's above anything I should
be commenting on but I really don't
understand it you have a
rabbi you know tell us a little bit
about your relationship with your rabie
so I got my
from um I learned in rivil under
Rand the for the last 25 years to go
back every Sunday morning to learn with
him with the
kabura and there's nothing more
important in life than having a
rebi and he keeps me in line you
everyone needs someone in life that
could look at you at any point and say
what you're doing is wrong maybe you
should be thinking different about
something does he do that for you often
he sure does and you speak to him family
things things he's presence in your life
he if I have to I do I generally I don't
get too involved you know on detailed
levels in my life but he knows exactly
what's going on and he was very
supportive after my father was nter he
gave me great advice but just knowing
that you have a rebi who loves you who
cares who is looking out for you and
will not just be a Yes Man and say yeah
everything's great you look great you
look great but if you're doing something
wrong I mean you have it in your life
that you have your Rabbi and you know
what that means in your life and
unfortunately a lot of people don't have
that they leave Yeshiva without a rebi
and they're drifting wow and they're not
doing anything
wrong because they don't know better but
if someone with without nus would just
tell them Whoa stop just think I felt
very bad we did a book I I think I could
say we did the book together we
co-authored a book onava Tran it says my
name on the C but we really you know
that your Heart and souls on every page
of that book and people told me after
after why why don't we know about these
people when they're alive and I feel bad
cuz there are people out there who are
alive who are very good at it and very
dedicated and very caring and very
qualified for it but I don't know if
there's a mechanism to let people know
or how we could like you're saying
everybody should have a RAB we need to
find way to make between the of saving
life they they fantastic re my my
children my sons have had the greatest
re who the other night I was at AA last
night and I went over to my son's fifth
grade RBI and I said you saved my son's
life you believed in him he was he he he
was you just believed in him and he
still loves him till this day I said
he's much older now but I said you
turned his life for and then fifth grade
and there are so many Reb like that we
are so blessed and cl you're a big
believer in the system and but at the
same time you want to rethink camp and
the relationship between Jas and camps
only because I think the kids are are
going many times they're what they
gained over the 10 months with the great
rebi they might be going down a few
steps in the summer that's only that
bothers me that's a point to and said
the art schol the Reber of art schol was
was M rdav Feinstein he carried art
schol for think that the I asked him
this when I wrote the book on your
father if it's true and he didn't want
me to write it but that he had lend his
savings $25,000 I to your father at a
difficult time what have the last what's
the last year almost been like for you
without the presence of somebody who you
relied on so heavily well just going
back once you bring that up I mean the
success of art scroll I believe is that
every move my father RAB Sherman the was
with Tor they had the rim whether it
wasid
with you know um any all of them every
single one of them bian when they
started from day one but at the end of
the day Ravid was the one my father was
closest to everyone knows they spoke to
each other practically every day and the
came from him whatever he said we did
and we know there were projects that my
father started heard about it and he
said no my father was invested in it
emotionally he dropped it right away so
we have 45
years credit your father they said
Feinstein was a Mis when his father was
people didn't realize what he was
capable of what he knew because he
wasn't a social person he didn't run
around shaking hands they said mayor LT
gets the credit for making people d f
okay maybe we'll leave that for other
people okay my father loved him and
didn't make a move without him and for
we have 45 years
of 45 years of from on every step of the
way and he never let and every time I
went to him and asked him something
whatever he said you felt to was like
there was no
doubt you listen and you're going to be
successful and there were many things
over the last few years before he was
nft that I did discuss with him and
asked him about various projects we were
dreaming of and he gave us
the it's very hard in there without him
and frankly you know bar we have rnas
here who is a God in his own right who
learned under ran Z learned
on and had his own reim and heard all
that over the years when I was still a
young boy and hearing it straight from R
GI and ran and R Anda whatever it was so
we have who to ask is people to go to I
want to ask you another question it's
it's a thing we've we've discussed off
camera many times there's a knock on
Arts schore biography some of them
written by me and other ones written by
my very talented and gifted colleagues
who do the same thing that Arts SCH BS I
don't even know how you pronounce the
word it's hagiography or geography but
that they cleanse and they they rewrite
history and they only put in the good
things about the subjects of the books
and they leave at anything anything
sorted or anything embarrassing so
they're not real biographies the
academic world likes to Mark Art School
biographies you're aware of that so my
yes I am so my father's view always was
that an art SC biography or any artc
book is meant to inspire not necessarily
to tell the whole story we would never
tell an untruth when you say rewrite
it's not really the correct word because
rewrite makes it sound like this
happened but we're rewriting it a
different way leaving out a part of
history that would not Inspire someone
what's the point so you write about a
certain God and there was
a I have to know that because why do you
have to know that because maybe he made
that decision for reasons that are
decision best is going to read that book
50 years later and understand what went
through that God's mind but who are you
to be the Arbiter of what belongs and
what doesn't maybe maybe yeah we the
aror know what inspires and what doesn't
and reading about Aus doesn't Inspire
anyone it doesn't Inspire so what's the
point we're here to
inspire it doesn't bother when you when
you read those charges or you read those
knocks on it would bother me if we were
writing something that wasn't true but
everything we're writing is true
we're just leaving out the parts that
are just not inspiring and we're not
knocking in any way the God we don't
understand today's generation might not
understand why they did something okay
but what about the that people think
okay then it's not relevant to be a God
because these people never made mistakes
they never slipped off they never slept
in a missak they never had a bed day
they never flict the light Swit on sh
was by mistake they're not NE and that's
why some of a book like you know some of
the books that we discussed that not
about the God who was born a genius but
the one who was was born in America and
went to public school and made it
sometimes talks to someone a lot more
than The God Who was born a genius but
again the we're not talking about not
writing that someone turned on a light
we're talking
about and that's what they refer to when
there's a m when there were Wars between
factions what's the
point yeah I yeah but it's on a case we
want to inspire that's the bottom line
we're here to INSP Inspire Jews to be
better Jews will it inspire you to read
about it we're going to publish it if
we're not going to inspire you we're not
publish hope me we did the book on your
father
together your parents got divorced when
you were a little child and it was a it
was a question if it should go in the
book or not and you and your whole
family really uh gets the credit for
saying right away of course there was
first of all there's a lot to learn from
how it was handled and it's a very much
a relevant part in how he draw on his
rabby for support and and the
graciousness or the or I would say the
the tolerance with which it was handled
in the Years see the relationship
between the two families what what was
that like for you being a child of
divorce just before we get to the
divorce a second as the entire book we
made a decision when we sat down and we
said are we going to be honest are we
going to paint my father as this born
Prodigy who was a genius and the
Superstar of the class and we decided no
we're going to inspire people you how
we're going to inspire them by saying
that may LTZ started as a child was not
good in sports but he excelled in what
he was good at and he overcame his
stuttering and he became the person he
was and that inspires people and that's
the same thing with a divorce how many
people would go through a divorce any
divorce and say I can't be a leader now
you know it's like embarrassing
especially those days but no he overcame
it how did he over come it because he
loved his children and he said I am not
going to let anything get in the way of
that love the joke is you know we speak
about it many times someone once said my
father had a better divorce and many
people have marriages but it was done
consciously that I'm not going to hurt
my children we don't know the hurt he
was going through in his own personal
life but he made a decision I am not
making my children carbonos I'm not
sacrificing them and he saved us and
that's what people should learn from
that that what would be your personal
message as a child to grow up it's not
not an easy thing with all the fact that
they made sure to be peaceful with each
other and respectful of one another and
I believe he told me that he made you
call your maternal grandparents to say
gabas yes it's astounding when you hear
people just want to stick the knife and
deeper today but with all that what
would be your message to children today
who whose parents aren't together
anymore and they feel like they're
they're broken and
too the message to the children parents
it's your show you tell me I mean the
message to a child whose parents are I I
look at you as a successful person who's
who's doing great things and people look
at you as but I can't answer I can't be
in the you've been there no I haven't
cuz my no your message to they got along
right what would I'm saying I the
message will be to parents is don't use
your children as porns and message to no
matter what family structure is not the
way they would wish it to be what would
you tell
them my parents love me and I heard from
my father every day of my life how much
he loved me and my mother so but how
what am I telling a child that might not
hear that from a parent I can only tell
the parent tell your child you love them
and don't use them as porns and they'll
be
successful the divorce won't affect them
at all we heard a lot of nice feedback
to the book from people in similar
situations some divorce and some for
other reasons alone that that they
couldn't believe that Mar L was 33 years
old living in a walk up apartment in bar
park with three kids and and thinking
that there'll be no tomorrow and look
what he went and did with that that's
amazing so let's bring it back so I'm
using that I was using the divorce as an
example and I got sidetracked so you're
comfortable with the art school position
and how you do books and what you choose
to share what you choose not to what
about in the world of Hal are there are
there standards that you have of uh what
kind of books you would take what kind
of books you wouldn't take in more Torah
oriented our rule in is we you know Le
to make a joke about Mr trainer that he
would make a because he ever took
pictures of became the next go we don't
want to make AR is not here to make
Pim we're here to publish quality works
from Pim and therefore when we have
someone
like so we're we're very happy to
publish they're very needed but we're
always getting in like you know people
are calling us up I'd like you to
publish this and it's a little or even a
big cons on a specific title but are
they accepted because they want inst
respectability that comes with the outo
brand they realize that you're here so
we would generally ask them to have a
renowned post sake to somebody who exist
things exactly it was accepted by clus
we don't want to be the ones to create
the postum what book project or that
you're involved in or you've been
involved and are you most proud of which
is the one that when you fall asleep and
you say before NE say thank you for this
that I started doing that yeah well
something that you've done a lot
for I think all the new projects were
starting there's so much but really at
this point is a tysus
project I think it's the hardest project
we ever took
on it's a you know what the gamor did in
the
1990s for DFI learning and getting
people babatan to start learning gar
because it didn't look like this for the
shatenstein
talud and you know CLA is grateful to
the shatenstein and to all the
dedicators who made it possible Claus RS
once more they're thirsting for more
learning and a higher level of learning
and they're not satisfied which just
sitting down at a gar and in 35 40
minutes just reading through the blat
and it's important to do that but they
want more that's the thing we hear from
everybody I want to raise my level of
learning and tus is doing that
really pushed art schol to the next
level and you responded that means
people were home and they reached to all
of a sudden and they fell in love with
learning people during Co found out that
we had published things over the years
they never knew about because they had
time they weren't traveling as much they
weren't running to simus they had time
on their hands and they wanted to learn
the my the bottom line is that soul of a
yid wants to learn Torah at the end of
the day when all said and done and they
found projects that we worked on over
the years and they were like wow this is
great so whether it
was was like wow you
know I can just keep on learning more
and more and more and that's what's
happening they're seeing that we are
there for them and their children and
their families it's amazing a final
question for you
RAB going to come because your father
comes back into the office you're giving
him the keys and you're telling him here
it's back to you are you proud of the
job you've done do you feel like he
would be proud of what you've done
here without sounding Hoy I think he'd
be very proud but not because of what I
did he'll be more proud of all the
people in the Arts family which includes
the employees the dedicators and all his
friends who rallied around me and made
what I did possible because without them
it wouldn't have been possible thank you
P thank you
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