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The Intriguing World of Jewish Time
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Listen to host Rabbi Zvi Goldberg and his guest, Jewish time expert Rabbi Dovid Heber discuss Jewish time (10/6/21). They answer your questions in addition to discussing: • a 'behind the scenes' review of Rabbi Heber's new book, The Intriguing World of Jewish Time • how time affects kashrus certification • the "World Calendar" and how it would have affected Jewish life • why a girl cannot become bas mitzva in Adar 1 The Jewish calendar is complex, but Rabbi Heber makes the topic clear and easy to understand. In addition to his newly published work which includes 150 questions and answers on Jewish time, he previously authored Sefer Shaarei Zmanim.
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hello and welcome to starkey's webinar
uh we're here in the starkey offices
with uh i'm rabbi sv goldberg and we
have today
a guest rabbi david hebber
how are you rabbi heber
to you and all your viewers
okay
uh we are both in the offices but uh
coveted uh guidelines still in effect so
we are in separate separate rooms um
let us
make it big we have on your on the right
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you if you have questions for abihabber
uh comments uh let's just start making
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sure that we are being heard we would
appreciate that
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okay keith says he can hear us
and uh yehuda okay great okay as long as
alba is in spain so if we can hear if we
can hear us in spain they can hear us or
wherever
um
today's topic is the intriguing world of
jewish time
which is a safer
uh that a book that was written
uh by rabbi hebert just recently
published israel bookshop
publications
uh and uh but this has been
something that arabic hebrew has been
involved with i don't know how long um
for a couple of decades i guess
um
and uh long time no what that's that a
long time a long time uh i i guess in my
my in the way i understand it it's it's
it's like a torah hobby
uh
a halacha hobby something that's
interesting and it
relates to to allah's and and um and and
how it intersects with time issues and
it's a really fascinating topic so we're
going to go through some of that
um and just uh as i'm
an unabashed plug for rabbi hebert's uh
book you can get it on israel bookshop
publications
or at your local uh bookshop
and uh i think you'll find it uh
enjoyable for both men and and and women
um so rabbi hebert let's start how
how did you get involved
with this topic i think it's unusual
in the it's really unusual even in the
torah world there's not that many uh
tamil
uh like yourself who are
interested in this particular niche so
how did this how did it start
so i really when i was a young boy
somehow i always enjoyed numbers and uh
calculations uh even as a
you know kindergarten
uh always fascinated me my father was
shaolin was a khazen
in uh schul in saint louis pharisee
straw where
robert hartman always almost
and um
eventually he was in it was in hashtag
where rabbi was the rav and i grew up in
the shul and my father always made it a
point of
discussing the comings and goings in the
shul and
what i mean of that is what we're
learning is there a
special
thing going on with the different trump
uh shellis
um today which obviously
um all the different answers he made
of interest every little thing not only
the big you know today's the roshana but
even even little things became big
things
i know in your book you you quote uh
your father that he would wake you up
and say today this is charles
exactly right right right right
that was exciting it was exciting and
then i had my father as a rebbe in sixth
grade
um he was a if i was writing for many
years and taught kamala maskhilam for
many years he taught the the fourth
paragraph brachas which is
an immediate discussion right at the
beginning of the peric about seismond
fila and then plaga minha
so it came to life really as a as a
young boy
that's the first gemara first kamara
that you do in class
um and and i like numbers to start with
so it became you know fascinating
at that young age you know there was a
limited ability to learn that were they
were available i remember saying
in english the book of our heritage had
had various
discussions of that then when i went to
shiva to tell chicago so there we
learned how to learn and then all of a
sudden i had access you know once we
learned how to learn
uh
suggests and then and you had access to
various
uh you know ramakrish
at the beginning of
the missionaries all of a sudden open up
worlds to see
what's the calendar how does it work
what are the mechanics
um you know what happens coupled with my
all-time favorite book 150-year calendar
which you know i studied and read and
which years like this and i wanted to
pour them on friday next and i remember
as a kid looking and seeing 1981 every
parsha is going to be separate
which is extremely rare there's no
double practice that we're in 1981. wow
and the next time it happened at 2052 on
footstarts 2052 it happened in 2005 and
eight which was rare back to back but
like that three years apart but then it
won't happen again after 2008 until 2052
it could start so like
i just found it of interest and then
then later you learned how why why
that's true in other words
why that's the case what needs to fall
into place and what the mechanics behind
the scene so that's where my interest
came
and um then i wanted to share it you
know with certain interests that you
have you want to share it with other
people so then at a young age i learned
that there's some people who are
extremely interested and can't get
enough of it
and there's other people who don't
really have an interest they don't like
math they don't like numbers so you kind
of have to learn how when to
speak up and when to you know just say
yeah you know i know i know that one of
your fans is malcolm siegel from the
nelham siegel show and uh
you know you kept up with him for many
years and you were on the show this
morning was did you talk about those
time issues yes i usually go on um
at the beginning of the year and
initially we spoke about some of the
events of this coming year
you know of interest in the calendar and
then we all spoke about the we all spoke
about the book
but uh at the calendar that's uh he's
very fascinated with it all the years
and
it's it's always nice to be on the show
right um i i can't help it robert
however just because this is not a set
uh sheer but just to notice
that this uh little um what i'm pointing
to i think you can see on the screen on
the back of your bulletin board
uh you told me it's a boarding pass to
alaska right
alaska is a lot of money in the shoes
but yes i was able to go to alaska
about
about two years ago to do an inspection
of starcate facility
and um
alaska's a very lumbish estate because
and and i had the opportunity in the
star k and i'm greatly appreciative to
starkey gave me opportunity to write
um on both topics that relate to alaska
one on the
the northern regions above the arctic
circle how do you davin if the sun
doesn't settle
when the shabbos start and that's
actually in the book the conscious
current article and we we i believe
discussed it even on your program
um is is
is in the northern part of alaska i went
to the southern part but just you're
putting your feet down in alaska knowing
this alumnus and the other the western
part of the state
has the issue of the international date
dateline
i mean that's to me that's really
fascinating most people when they think
of alaska they probably think of going
on a cruise or you know seeing the
animals and what excites you is the uh
you know what time should i dive in
absolutely absolutely what's very
interesting i i didn't realize it said
at the time when i went there to do my
inspection
so a few weeks later i realized that
you see this the western part of state
has the issue with the dateline
especially lucian islands according to
some opinions it's really a day ahead of
us and not a day behind
but alaska itself at least the eastern
part
is certainly on the eastern side of the
date line but rubyness stiff was a was a
was a rub on the lower east side and in
his safer he addresses there's an
opinion that
is not so accepted and that's you go by
what the local you know whether the
locals determine to shop is that that's
not but it is an opinion it's an opinion
again it's not it's not the
the regular accepted opinion compared
with the opinions of the lines that we
we draw but
this is he discusses if that's the
then what do you do with alaska where
they change days because alaska used to
be part of russia right and what's
interesting was i was in the town of
sitka where i did the inspection sitco
used to be this was the state capital of
alaska in the 1800s now it was only a
province it wasn't a
territory it wasn't a state until
until um i believe 1959
um where it became a state but in 18 i
believe after the
sewer you know purchased it for what was
it the two cents
uh square mile
so it became in 1869 it became part of
america
and
what they had was in sitka which was the
capital they had a ceremony and i was
actually on the on the on the hill
after my inspection a little bit time
before the airport there's not much to
see there but i went to see this mockum
which was where they lowered the russian
flag
and raised the american flag on a friday
calamari 1869.
okay that's when that's when that
happened so stiff and the safer says so
what do you do now they changed days you
know they they went from russian day to
american days they basically repeated a
friday so when a shop if even if you
hold like you go by the people that live
there but all of us sudden people live
there switching days like that i mean if
if you would have been living then or if
correct if you would be there
technically right even
already it's been already so long but if
you were there all of a sudden did you
now repeat it was i believe it was a it
was right around the weekend so now they
repeated a day so did you have an
eight-day week like how can you say that
all of a sudden shop a day later so he
speaks about this and it's safer what
was fancy that i found out was the day i
was there and i was thinking about this
on the trip
you know this whole indian it was very
like you know this is where the the
shiloh came up technically rip schneids
was in the you know 100 years later but
this is what he was talking about
i was there the day of his yard site oh
wow amazing right i was there the davis
yard site was when i was there you know
thinking you didn't plan that in advance
no i didn't know it was the airtight
till later i saw a year later that hey
one second right
wow
well that's the the that's interesting
um
so
how should we start robert hebert um
since we are a cautious agency i think
we have to uh
give give some uh you know time to that
tell us where cashers and time you know
could intersect or where there's
shiloh's uh across the world let's let's
let's get into that a little bit so we
would start with
of course
well the of course the matzo bakery has
time right in other words you gotta you
have you have the clock that's ticking
um on uh 15 minutes 18 minutes 18
minutes so that that's certainly and
that's really you should know
the time of 18 minutes it's 18 minutes
18 minutes all across the world and that
depends
yeah so well what it is is it's it's
really macholicus if it's 18 minutes we
call it 18-minute matzos but believe it
or not the 18-minute matzah is directly
related to the 72 minutes of our better
time
they're one of the same because
because the the 80-minute matzah is
based on the gemara that says
it's
mill and it was if you let dough sit for
the time it takes to walk a mill a mill
is approximately two-thirds of a mile
approximately
and and so does the macholic is how long
that takes 18 22 and a half or 24.
and and for for comets we say 18 because
we want to take the lower number which
comes out actually humra you got to you
know you got to make sure to work the
matzo over or clean up whatever type of
monsters you're making uh within that
18-minute span the rabbit who tom's
opinion of 72 minutes is based on the
gemara that says
that the end of banishments or the
beginning of the the vada lila
is the time it takes to walk four mil
after sunset so if you go with the 18
minute number that's 18 times 4 is 72
minutes so must say shabbos being 72
minutes is four times the amount of time
that you have to make sure the work the
mats is so that's one place where
certainly the the the manum
relates very importantly
on the calendar sense of course this
year we had some issues uh with
factories or had companies i'm sure you
did you know we do ask
on various companies if we have a
complicated facility um where we have
the kasha for example or you have
ingredients that that need extra review
prior to the run
so again simple plants we we visit on a
periodic basis complicated plants we
have what's called
venus company says we're going to run on
this and this day
is there he signs the labels and so on
the issue was okay how do we do
this given the yant of schedule this
year which was one of the hardest of the
yeom where you had tuesday wednesday
then the next week was thursday and then
tuesday wednesday tuesday wednesday so
it's right smack in the middle of the
week air vianta is not easy because you
got to you know you got to be home in
time for yanta so you can only have a
early morning run and so on so knowing
this is a cylinder this is where we get
uh we we have an advantage for working
for a froome organization that uh the
boss doesn't expect us to work on yantez
but absolutely everybody else who works
for you know i'll see you next month you
know although pesach we do plenty of
work even on young
people coming over and saying well what
store can i go to tonight you know etc
etc
it's nice to to even circus was busy uh
you know people are eating can i know
and there's plenty of conscious issues
that that certainly come up so that's
another aspect of um of where kash is
the other of conscious the other of
course relates to not all of the
conscious but relates really well
let me ask you when is the next time
we're gonna have so many young things
like this in the middle of the week
okay so the next time rosh hashanah is
on tuesday wednesday
will be in
four years in 2025
um
the time after that
is going to be
in um 20 years later in 2045. i'm asking
you these questions to see if i can
stump you robert
no that's not the issue but your
listeners you know this goes in archives
if you're watching this in 2044
right you know the next year 2045 is
going to have this of course next thing
you know it's on monday it's also
complicated
next year the only thing is sunday so
it's a little bit uh
pesach um
this year also it's good it was it was
sunday monday and then
and then sunday so pesach was on
weekends
um but she was next to you get sunday
mondays it's a little bit come here is a
little bit better
you know um
this coming year would be a little bit
better but let me ask you about behavior
this that you're saying in four years
and 10 years and 20 years and 50 years i
mean that depends i mean if mashiach
comes
then we will have uh we'll we will
you know make the new moon according to
what that's correct
that's correct it's not what's in your
calendar i've learned this in my book in
hakatoma
in the in the beginning in the forward
section
i wrote as follows if you allow me to
read it maybe exactly the form in the
midstness with much enthusiasm in their
proper times and may we merit to see the
idea
once again determine that was my
discussion in the in the preface from
mcgillis esther and leap years and in
parenthesis i wrote at which point in
time many answers in the safer will be
different
so i recognize when mashiach comes right
with the establishment of the sanhedrin
and the common sense says
i realize this book will be
um will be on the sale table as a relic
of the what used to be once mashiach
comes that's fine we'll take it
okay i just want to uh pause for a
second and uh and just say that we are
on with rabbit david hebber i'm sv
goldberg and um
and this webinar is held usually once a
month
pre-covered it used to be the last
wednesday of the month but kovit made
everything
uh change and we now have it when uh
when before you get the email if you
signed up and you gave us your email you
will get reminders about the the
webinars and the the archives if you
miss it you have to leave in the middle
uh you you can find these webinars on
our on our vimeo channel
starcase certification on vimeo or on
our website stardashkay.org
slash videos and we have quite a few
videos with rabbi hubbard in the past
about travel about uh pesach about all
sorts of
of issues um let me mention you can also
find rabbi hubbard's uh articles and our
cautious currents
that itself is enough to write another
book rabbi however you could put it
together for another safer
uh and um so we all we all have the
opportunity to write our little old
minis forum from all the articles
everyone you know
the one in the office have that great
opportunity to yeah it's great their own
little books it's for big books it's
good for the it's good for the community
we help the consumers but we also enjoy
it right we
enjoy writing and clarifying these uh
these issues
um okay so that was one that's an
interesting any anything else that uh
that
one more thing in the morning let me let
me just take some of these questions
here rabbi hubbard
um
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um
mrs hoxted uh i think but i think she's
in israel she asked before is your book
available in israel yes so so the
publishing is um is a bookshop
publishing does send it to israel but
the first store that got it they told me
was shankies in new shallam is it
bookstore shankies yeah that's a famous
story yeah right they ca they they get
it early they get it like right away
but other stores may have it i know they
for sure have it
uh-huh okay
um
is there a formula to figure out when a
peso falls out if we know when sukkas
falls out
yes yes okay well
the question is which direction it was
if you're working backwards if you know
when sukkah says
when was pesach so that that would have
been
two days a week earlier i don't think
that's their question but at least i'll
clarify this point in other words sukis
this year began on tuesday so you know
that the previous pesach
was two days of the week earlier namely
sunday okay but i think the question
being asked if you know when circus is
this year right when is pesach next year
the answer to that question is very very
much depends
um it will depend on two factors factor
number one
is is it a leap year or not
and factor number two
is
how many days are there a heisman and
kiss life okay let's take a let's take
the shortest possible year a year where
hezman and kisly are both 29 days
and it's not a leap year so then pesach
will fall out one day of the week later
so so
if hashanah if suki is a restaurant on a
monday
of course circus will show the same data
we start the same day a week then peso
will be on a tuesday okay
if if there's 29 30 it's a cathedral
then which can't happen on a monday but
if it's excited pesach is two days later
and if it's a chalet because the kid
slave that it's three days later okay so
if it's a leap year you add two so in a
leap year it's going to be three four or
five so this year
rosh hashanah was a tuesday it's a leap
year so that gives you two extra days in
a week because other extraordinary has
30 days that's four weeks plus two
and the cassidron gives you two extra
days so pesach will be four days of the
week later than rashad let's see if it
works restaurant this year is a tuesday
wednesday
thursday friday in chambers so it's four
days of the week later
this year because it was
so there is a way to figure it out the
other way just kind of know the
mechanics the other way is to look it up
in the calendar i guess yeah i have a
chart in the book i speak about i have
all possible years which will show you
the correlation between rosh hashanah
and pesach based on so
charmaine is asking that arose rodish
is in fact the astronomical new moon so
why should this change after mashiach in
other words
isn't what we have in our
printed calendars isn't that based on
when the moon comes out why would that
change
okay
that's a good question
the answer is like this
the reason why today is reshaded
is because the mylar of tishrei that's
the new moon of last month
was when it fell out in other words
what's very interesting about the
calendar is that
the only myla the only new moon that
really counts
is the myelin of tishrei
when you know the myelin of tissue you
know what rosh hashanah is
and then the rest of the months fall
into place what you do with the way they
calculate the years you calculate rosh
hashanah this year rosh hashanah of next
year
and then you decide how many days there
are
slaves and that's your year it falls
into place so you could have
a rosh
that's not so really aligned
with the mud light i'll give you an
extreme example here and i talk about
this in the book
you could you have something you don't
have to say tishrei the milan and
tishrei will never be
after 12 noon of rosh hashanah at or
after 12 noon in fact it's one of the
rules of the calendar if the mighty
light of tishrei falls out at noon or
later roshan is postponed to the next
day
and if the next day is the day it can't
fall out on loud to rush sunday
wednesday or friday and then it's
possible another day so if the mother
for example fell out at noon on thursday
russia's shot and will fall out on
on on
on what i say thursday noon on thursday
roshan will be on shabbos okay but if
he'll never have to afternoon why not
because
you can't see the new moon fast enough
right if the moonlight occurs in fact
we're starting
those learning
um um
we'll be holding in these surges very
soon rama goldberg says uh two daffy
shore
right and and la maisa
but every other month so you need to see
the new moon to declare that there is so
they where they created
they did it where they created the
calendar they did it based on the time
of the new moon fine now the month of
shavat
this happened in in 190
um 1902 i believe richard
had a phenomenon that's
extremely rare and and that is
that that the mullet of shot occurred at
like 4 4 35 o'clock in the afternoon on
rosh haidish
now if meshiach would be here that's
because that's the way the ear fell out
the my light of tishrei was then the
mother to show is that shavat fell out
on the day the money the milo was late
in the day
on on um on rich kaidish and in fact in
1247 or 1248 it fell out
after shkia even it was ready tomorrow
technically
but that's the calendar if meshiach
would be here we'd be shapiro which
means we would sanctify a new moon based
on sight
there's no way they would see the new
moon that day
you can't see the new moon right away
you need that gap time the answer is
that i think the could i could i just uh
is is the answer that it can change a
day or two from what we have that's
correct in the calendar that's correct
it might be a day or two off which is a
huge difference obviously correct but
ghazal tried to mirror
the sanhedrin what would have been if
there would have been a sanhedrin when
would they have made rich but again it's
based on hejman and whenever you're
based on calculations it's not going to
be precise it's going to be as best as
possible mimicking the sanhedrin you
can't you can't bat a thousand in in in
what does that engine really have done
that really depends on what they saw in
the conditions right so it'll be a
little bit it'll be pretty much the same
but a little bit off and that's correct
that's correct that's the difference
between rosh hashanah being on
javascript sunday that's a big
difference that's correct well let me
take you in a different direction rabbi
hebber um
you know okay so you know we have your
book and some people
hopefully people will get it is there
something like in behind the scenes
that uh didn't make it into the book was
uh you wanted to put in the book or the
publisher said no way or something that
you could share with our listeners
that is or something that happened after
the book was written any letters you got
about the book something that they they
wouldn't get they won't they want to see
by buying the book that's why they came
to this to the webinar
right so i wrote i mentioned my father
was solemn
um
but also
i i mentioned in in the book um
you know people who helped me uh in this
um
in this endeavor um
you know i have there i have a cover of
people
who
who assist me
um there's a yid in washington heights
his name is cindy strauss
and and you know he's but he's a has
amazing ideas in uh embroiders he can
tell you any minig any yakisha mimic
um that's there so he he was reading my
column most of this was based on my
column in the ted uh which is called
calendar calculations and and he used to
call me with comments or email me and
call me with comments
and and either things that were you know
errors or things not clear the obama
just told the champion i said you know
what can you do me a favor instead of
you see a lot of times you write things
and you don't either you forgot about a
case some of the questions are when's
the only case you know you you can't
always think through everything every
case so i miss cases or i got mixed up
or i see he would comment or or this
could have been why don't you add this
case and so on so he would call me
comment a number of years ago so i asked
him i said you know what this old saying
if you can't beat him join them i said
would you read my column in advance of
the publication and he graciously
offered
um to do that
and um
uh
and he reads it and he makes phenomenal
comments
i'll tell you a funny story with him
just before you real quick is that right
i just want to mention that your
publication is in the attain every week
right correct right
that's really what this book is made up
of questions based on that and it's also
based on a little conscious currency you
know the two articles on the dateline
and the northern regions based on cash
course the others based on
on the calculations but funny is someone
came over to him to sydney strauss in
washington nights and says you know this
is column in your ted this guy robert
baltimore writes you would really be
interested in this stuff
because he says
i checked this thing over but of course
i know all about it
i'd actually mention i have a
grammatical errors i very closely did dr
yasi sheller who really uh checked in
the early days and this is mrs elaine
lippo
who who just moved to baltimore from san
diego we were neighbors in san diego she
was english principal in a local day
school and obviously knows a lot of
english and i send their article every
week and they check it over and uh you
know ms lippo was writing you know when
you're coming out with a book you know
like put this into a book so you you
need that
that physic and uh eventually you you
you know you do it so those are some of
the little bit behind the scenes
of of vladimir beam also that had an
impact on me when i mentioned the book
as well um
so i i want to say something that i
mentioned to you i'm i'm no expert in
this topic but you have one of the
questions you have there is how do you
have nine different uh shimon estres
uh marev in a row
right and and you give an example of how
you have nine so i came over to you that
this yontev i found 12.
and and you explained to me that it
doesn't qualify for your for your
for your assistance so you want to maybe
go through that i'll explain that that's
one of the things when you write a book
at least you get to decide what what
there's no
what qualifies it's like yeah this is a
good question this
it's like other people tell me that's
not an interesting question you know
everybody has their own opinion on
what's what's of interest but anyway so
you have
this year there were 12 what was 12 in a
row different answers is that the next
night was different than the previous
night
so so you had for example um
um if you had let's say uh matsuyam
kippur
um was
a i'm not sure where it started i didn't
even i started i think the second night
of johnson
yeah second night of yanta right i think
second night yontif was um
a tuesday night and then wednesday night
was
with
you know how much money
and then thursday night was a regular
call of mine that's right and then
friday night with shabbos
um
you know
um
second night
how is that different it's only
different from the night before that's
what you were telling me oh that is
correct right exactly right so that was
the same as how much that was different
than the previous night and then you had
um you know each night was different
than the previous night you ended up
with 12 nights the question i have in
the book
is nine different from an s-rays that
are different from each other unique
a subset of unique schwinn s-rays that
um that you don't have and that's very
rare and happens since 1956
when that last happened um
you know so that's i found that you know
fascinating okay so we'll let them let
them look at that that answer in the
book but it's just interesting to me
that that that otherwise you were
looking for nine different myers that
are different from each other and i came
up with 12 dif that were different from
one night to the other but that
that you know when someone told me about
that question
someone mentioned that question i said
oh no like was i wrong in the book like
i made a big deal out of nine and now
sometimes you're 12 and then i hop this
this uh that's different mrs hofstede
wants to know if there's a way you can
get the column without getting any
attained
or without waiting for the next book to
come out and then that's a good question
i'm i i don't i would i thought about
you know
disseminating it and so i just never had
the wherewithal doesn't it
doesn't have a website by now they do
but i don't know if they post a comment
they have posted
once in a while i think but
generally if i ask them like there's a
special article it's a while i write
about something but in general they
don't they don't post it okay there's
one thing i would like to share i think
uh this is this would be interesting for
women especially
uh the answer is in the book but maybe
you can give the answer here give him a
tissue
uh
why is it impossible for a girl to
become bassmitzva
on purim cotton meaning like this year
in other aleph there won't be any bass
misses
uh on on on purim cotton then why not
right so this is fascinating issue in
fact the principal of a of a girl school
called me and said he's gonna
send this question out
it's fascinating i'll start with bar
mitzvah as we know a bar someone who's
born in a regular order
has his bar mitzvah in other shiny in a
leap year right so for example if you're
born in a regular year and 13 years
later is a leap year for example this
year so we'll have 20 2022
13 years ago was 2009. so boys who were
born in 2009 was a regular year not a
leap year
they were they were born let's say purim
right so now
now 2022 tough shouldn't pay bays when's
the bar mitzvah it's like
we passing the bar mitzvah is in the
second order
so bar mitsuboy who was born in regular
2009 his bar mitzvah is going to be its
other base
you could have a bar mitzvah in other
research so the only way this year other
re-shine will not have our mitzvah boys
so it's actually if you're a seventh or
eighth grade ready or manila middle
school you're gonna have four weeks
where you're not you know running around
to to all the simchas because or three
weeks some people postpone but basically
the heart of other region there'll be no
bar mitzvahs because they can't unless
it was postponed
fine
in order to be bar mitzvahed in another
region you could have you could be bar
mitzvah not a region
if you're born in other re-shine
13 years later
if if 13 years later is a leap year
then
you'll get
um you'll get other reasons for example
if you're born this year right that's
not true it's this year's boys who are
bar mitzvah that's not true but let me
just think for a minute if you're born
this year in 2022
okay
uh 2035
will be a leap year so let's give an
example if a boy is born in other
re-shine this year let's say he's born
on uh you know dalit other reshine
then
in 13 years his bar mitzvah will be a
dollar under re-shine because he was
born on
in other regions so unlike the 13 year
old boys now who can't fit it in in
other words they were born in schweitzer
they're born in utter they're almost
under shady arisa gets left out but 13
years from now will be a mirror image of
this year and therefore
you will have a bar mitzvah boy born on
arish and will have his bar mitzvah in
other research fine i just i'm just i'm
just uh like i i always
spoil i mean or like how do you know in
13 years from now it's going to be a
leap year okay you want to know how many
people listening here
you know
i i do not know 20 35 it's very easy
what you do is you take 20 35 and you
subtract 19.
right and you get 2016. and i know 2016
was a leap year
because and it repeats the 19-year
repeats but i wasn't all i wasn't a
thousand percent sure about 2016.
but but the 19 years before that was
1997 that i know was a leap year
i had to go two back you're still not
answering my question but okay
about the girls back to the girls and
now what's fascinating a girl of course
is about smith's at 12 years later not
13.
you will never have a leap year 12 years
after a leap year
okay let me give an example
a girl is born and i use term cotton
just for clarity the question perham
cotton of course is the 14th of other
re-shine
so for a girl to be bass mitzvah on
purim cotton she had to be born on purim
cotton and therefore 12 years later
you'll have a leap year right perham
cotton of course is only in the leap
year it's the it's the
other region so now a girl was born
let's go through examples here a girl
was born on purim cotton
of the third year of the 19-year cycle
okay one more hectare one more
introduction the 19-year cycle is set
the third sixth eighth eleventh
fourteenth seventeenth and nineteenth
year in that cycle
our leap years this year we've begun
tough champay pays is year number six of
the 19 year cycle so it's by definition
a leap year
year number eight will be a leap year in
fact year number eight is a very late
year right now we're post simplest torah
you know october the sixth
in three years is going to be in the
middle of assassination
because it's going to be a very late
year and therefore hashanah is going to
be um
in the uh um you know after uh um
october it's gonna be after october
first
so
um
it's it's a leap year so it's set now
let's go back now you're number three if
you're born year number three 12 years
later is year 15. it's not a leap year
okay if a girl is one poor and continent
of the year six twelve years later is
you're 18 it's not a leap year
a girl is born in year number eight
12 years later is you're 20 your 20 is
really the first year of the next cycle
it's not a leap year the point is that
12 years later of a leap year is never
leap year so therefore a girl will never
have a bass mitzvah in other research
cotton because if she's born in a
regular only chance to have a bass
mitzvah in a leap year is if you were
born an irregular other and if you're
born a regular order
then your best bits will be another
shiny
and you were born in a leap year but
then your basics will be in in in um in
a regular other it will never have two
others so it will never come out about
mitzvah in
in in purple there's another reason by
the way i wrote performance and not a
region in the question because
without getting into i speak about this
in the book but the 30th day of other
re-shine is a very unique day
and it has to do with a lot of it
doesn't happen every year technically a
girl could be best missed on the 30th
day of research
a particular day
yeah so exactly
um
uh i see that mrs pensack put put up
a column here from yate that does show
your articles some of you at least an
article from a few years ago if you
click on that link you see we get so
something from your
something from your uh
from your from your yate is up is up on
on the web i don't know if it's every
week or
or not simcha says same as the yurt site
with the others correct yes
so well as i speak about that in the
book the art sites have the almaq like
it's really that's like
and therefore the really maker in the
meaning ashkenaz is that the icker yard
site the primary yard site is actually
other re-shine
but we we're not the meaning is to try
to do both
but i actually worked with heinemann of
course so we have opportunities to work
when i was the gabrielle nagura um we
worked on there was a
a a guidelines for a valium in the um
actually
had worked on and i really expanded on
the work the great work that he had done
um and in there we came out that can you
get the amino region it's yours right
other shaney already is is is less
kadima you do have kadima which means
you know preference to ahmed but not as
strong
because the main yard side is out of
rishi not under shiny
so it's different than the it is
different correct it is different
right um so we did have uh a question uh
via email
that he wanted you uh
ellie wanted you to speak a little bit
about the world calendar that was
suggested
you know almost 100 years ago
sure i actually have a
a a piece on that in the book
um i found it very interesting too when
i was doing the book it was very
interesting thank you for reading
goldberg i see yeah
i
the world calendar was actually two
versions of it several versions
um and it came up by the league of
nations in the 1930s and it came up
again in the 50s it would have been
devastating devastating as i'll explain
that good show of america was very
involved in trying to thwart the plan
as our calendar i'm talking about now
this civil calendar that we use
is really
archaic i mean it's based on the fact
that julius caesar wanted 31 days in his
month and augustus wanted 33 days in his
month like we don't operate that way
anymore we're a much more organized type
of place so the organized people of the
world said let's organize the calendar
and they came up with several versions
one of them was to say okay we want
every year to start on a sunday and in
order to facilitate that
we're going to have
four quarters and every quarter is 91
days
long
every quarter begins on a sunday so the
first month is 31 days and then 30 and
30. so no more february 28th 29th
february's gonna have 30 they call them
january 31 days february 30 march 30. 91
days four quarters every quarter because
on a sunday right 91 days is is 13 weeks
and that's the basis of the calendar
okay now let me just parenthetically say
another version of this
was to have months which were 28 days
long and have 13 months of 28 days and
then every month imagine you have to buy
a calendar every calendar every month
starts on a sunday ends on a on a
on a saturday and you have this grid you
know
it's very organized very neat payroll is
great you get paid you know we get paid
what is every other we get paid every
other week well what day of the month is
that you know how does that relate to
your bills well it depends it shifts no
this is like perfect every other monday
you're going to get on the on the 8th
and on the 22nd
perfectly uniform there's only one
problem with both of those calendars and
that is
the the time it takes the earth to go
around the sun is 365 and a quarter days
okay let's let's put the quarter aside
for a minute let's focus on that 365th
day both of those versions you have 91
day times four is 364.
28 day months times 13
is 6p64.
so okay if you have a 364 day year
that's a problem because then the
calendar is going to start to shift
january 1st is going to no longer be the
winter eventually and they don't want
that they want those seasons those
seasons you know those period of time to
be in the winter and so on so in order
to facilitate that we need to do
something about the 365th day in our
calendar it shifts the year a day later
as you know if you're if your january
1st was on a monday next year putting a
leap year aside for a minute it's gonna
be tuesday because of that 306 fifth day
so they came up with their following
idea
no day of the week
the 365th day is going to be called
world's day
no day of the week and also every four
years when they have a leap year it'll
come at the end of june
that'll also be a leap day no day of the
week
okay so now claudius
remember
shabbos is
set in the in the in the creation then
every seventh day no matter what it's as
conducive and we don't care
what
other you know nations would call the
day shabbos of shabbos and that's it so
in the first year of this calendar or
actually in the second year of this
calendar what's going to happen is on
the last day of the year
we're going to be saying hiya memishima
shabbas and they're going to be saying
oh it's world's day it's still day of
the week the next day they're going to
say happy new year it's january sunday
january 1st
and by us it's going to be
shaney
so the last time the last day of the
year for them would be
would be shabbos
oh no technically the last count today
would be
let's say the first year of this
calendar shabbos cross shops for them
the next day
the day after december the last day of
december would be no part of a month not
part of a week it's just a standalone
world's day
and then the next day would be sunday
correct sunday june that's friday come
that friday it's really shabbos exactly
so thursday imagine working and you go
to your boss on thursday and say listen
i have to leave you know shops tonight i
take off tomorrow and next friday and
next friday and next friday and the
following year it shifts another day you
can take off every thursday and in the
leap year you're gonna hit twice so the
whole it would be topsy-turvy anybody
working would go back to the days of the
of the
1930s when you didn't have to be
champion shabbos and had to tell their
bosses i can't come monday and they said
okay you know don't come i can't come to
monday then don't bother coming every
every year there would be one day of the
week that you would go
you wouldn't be able to come exactly
right so how would anybody work you know
we broke should we work for a firm
organization but but it would be devas
it would have been devastating
the plan was thwarted very interesting
one of the reasons i'll make sure to
take care of uh
uh things create some
in that plan of 28 days of 13
you would have had friday the 13th every
month
and in the quarters you would have
friday the 14th friday the 13th four
times a year that was too much for some
people so they say
people said we can't do this
so hashem superstitions were created
you know
wasn't there once in russia a 10-day
work week
was there everything they tried that
they tried
it didn't take hold
that would also be terrible because yes
yes
saying that
that for going back to the bass mitzvah
problem do you see what he wrote there
for most practical purposes the girl
will be bass mitzvah and other olive
because we go with other allah forbade
i'm not so sure about that in other
words um
a bar mitzvah boy
is i'm not sure it means
in other words i mean you treat them as
if they're boss mitzvah in the first
yeah but a boy a boy becomes bar mitzvah
with everything and other shaney so
i'm not sure what that means we don't we
don't tell the boys bar mitzvah's dollar
other and and his bar mitzvah's gonna be
dollar shaney
we don't tell him to do anything arisha
with one exception
one exception and that is and this i
actually i didn't write it here but i
wrote it in my safer charisma
um and i there was a matter of my
comfort as is that
boys put on typically two in a month
thoroughly
right um
so if a boy puts on twillon
some people put until the day they're
bar mitzvah if you're meeting us to put
the day in your bar mitzvah and you
reminisce this other shaney then put it
on do it a month early in order to be
eight to those
or other certain things you rely on on
uh someone who's a good doctor this is
that a pus a apostle for a cotton or a
katana for example to make kiddish for
another girl right could a um
let's say a kiddush
emotion by day you come home from shul
and the parents are
at a bar mitzvah and you have two girls
that are eating home alone
um
could a 12 year old girl make kiddush
for her 13 year old sister the answer is
yes she could but if she was born and
older and now it's
you know she was born half other and now
it's half other re-shine we are not
going to let her make kiddush for her
older sister because we say she's not
bad smithson until the following month
so i'm not sure i'm not sure what that
means so you're you're basically saying
we don't go
like
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mints that holds
um
uh not that miracle levy like the murray
minster who holds that we go about our
shaney and not macholics i'm not sure
what that means rebellio ridler is
saying that uh the measure says by
before you go on a shout out to a belly
ridler he's noted in the book
and uh and and he has helped me
extensively with charts
um um as is um
distributor weber from toronto something
with different types of calendar charts
really has helped me with some on him
charts i could call him with could you
give me the sunset in the barrow alaska
police chart you know and rebellion
was not going to rob him in the arab
book
uh with with all the charts of baltimore
so he
he he's in the book for his his
tremendous assistance i'm sorry to cut
you off says that that in in the measure
says by purim the persians tried to make
a 10-day
week and that's why she needed esther
needed seven servants so she could know
uh
which day which day was shabbos because
they got confused
it got confused for them
um yeah
um okay let me see if there's any i know
there was there was a question before
about about someone who went to uh
hawaii
and i know uh
that that's the issue of really of the
dateline which is not really the topic
of today's discussion but there was a
person who went there and he was
questioning whether he keeps shabbos on
friday or on shabbos and he said that
the the khabar chalice told him to keep
it on shabbos uh i know we discussed
this ourselves not too long ago remember
and you you're right so this is
a big machine
i should notice the 80th anniversary jim
kippur
was the 80th anniversary when the
mir yeshiva and other tambidum were in
kobe japan and had this issue and the
shiloh was sent territorial and they had
a they had a conference of rabonum and
the passat came out your keeper
should be thursday this famous event
occurred then the the the
him in hawaii
you know they asked the
original
went ask
the you know
place him um i believe he asked the lab
show was still living then the episode
they used to ask a shia lover of a
paisic and the pisces they're passing
and they should keep
like um
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like the locals there
i'm sorry like
we would come actually yeah
but it's he like the local right
population on saturday shabbos is on
saturday
that's the sock that they received there
are again other daily pisces who say one
ever behind him for example says if a
person goes to hawaii you need to uh
keep um
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on friday which means don't do dry rices
on friday if you want to read
extensively about this i i touch on it
very cool
cooper who work
we know him as a cautious colleague who
does tremendous work
for the ou for many years um
he had wrote a book on the international
dateline
and he has extensive discussion
about even even the chito within within
khabad exactly the sack and exactly what
happened and
he he analyzed even the the very secrets
that talk about the dateline and he has
a tremendous insight into the exact one
huggers of hawaii in japan i read that i
read that section it's very interesting
he uh
he he um
you know he benefits a lot from chabad
so it's a you know it's a pro about the
section but he
he discusses whether what the
doing
are doing there is
is is really what others other lubashi
should be doing when they go there was
is that really what what the babies
rabbit held to keep shabbos on saturday
it's not clear that that's that's his
discussion that's the other discussion
is is that of course they asked to
shiloh and the ghana how does that
relate to a tourist that goes right
right a tourist will ask his own bicycle
right in other words so that that's part
of a lot of the mechanics
my my uh
i just think that there's a certain push
for the chabad shulhim there to go with
toshitas
that child is a saturday otherwise
basically you can't do kirif if you have
to do if you have to keep friday shabbos
i mean when you're going to make your
children on thursday all right again
when are you going to call everybody to
come
to the shop for the same day
right you can't keep friday
and also do do do your your
responsibilities so you would want to go
with those opinions
but of course they asked the shot
initially
right i understand it still has to work
with the mechanics of allah of course
yeah i'm not saying that that's the only
reason but that's a that's a sniff to
put you know to push you know to try to
see what you can do um
uh david says have two days of job it's
more curious
i don't know but you need to prepare for
two days that's not so easy um
okay rebecca i think we're coming to the
end of our our discussion has been very
uh very interesting again if uh
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um do we have any final comments here by
hubbard before we we close it out
right now everybody should uh it's you
know it's a wonderful year every year is
unique every year is different
and um
you know what are we gonna do what are
we gonna do if you if you're going to
urge yourself hashem after pesach you're
going to miss a power show what are you
going to do right so we have that now
it's not going to happen for a while
after now where you miss
extended amount of practice right um
you will be off a shabbos as we have uh
uh because in artsy straw the last day
of pesach
is not the last violence is the last
that pays off by them it's
it's a regular shabbos they're going to
lane uh the regular
prisoners of shivula which will be
mice and we'll be off all the way until
days of
when we lay mata mase
alone
that lengthy
period of of a break will not happen
until the 2030s again so we have a long
a long way off until that happens i know
i know
the book i know if it's in the book okay
i know over why it's so long of a wait
why why we wait
so many weeks to fix it right well i
know rob who was out for parshas
uh
uh hazinu this year he wasn't in chule
and when he came back
um for shabbos minha when they were
landing with bracha
he asked about corey to lane the whole
parshas hazinu
and you know and for for cohen and
including you know
cohen and but it's a it's not a long
parachute and if you land fast it takes
like five it takes only like five five
that zebra didn't mind
i think when you're the role of the shul
oh the love it was
i think you can get away with something
like that i don't think a random you
know person coming and saying you know i
missed last week do you mind if we just
let you know that zebra could as it seem
if you haven't seen it see we haven't we
had that during covert right right
exactly i was by
unforgettable experience in baltimore
the schools were closed
from shabbos practices vayakupakude all
the way
through bahar baku kaisai
so on we were in the backyard i hadn't
been in my backyard with neighbors
because we were limited to what was it
13 you have 13 people
um
and where behind him and had a minion on
his back deck
uh behind me and i said for tyra when i
was my neighbor
behind me
um
so
he had a minion on his deck and we had a
million dollars we did not have a safe
torah at least most of them we we just
relied to go there so we timed our
minion so we could go there for chris
after and then go back and resume
so uh
on that morning they said okay they're
starting
we started whatever this i think we had
checking out at 7 25 something like that
and they we got to
you know to laning and we went to the
yard next yard and they are we listened
to laning from ayako all the way through
canyon of my midbar that was one aliyah
that was when i were behind him in the
basket i told my son was with me who was
home from shibuyas were closed
and i said when are you going to get a
chance to have two hazaks ever in one
aliyah because we were finishing
the only thing is pascal that kazakh
only comes at the end of the aliyah you
can't just see kazakhstan in the middle
so when they got to the end of the
bakuda and we were oh here's the first
one
no he just went right into vaikra
yeah okay we released saw the kazakh
how long did that take
i want to say a couple hours a couple
hours flowers yeah it needs to be
also that's the one behind muhammad's
son laned
lane all the way back he took a break
i want to say for him
i believe he took a break someone else
took over
for him
you know for that and then he took over
there and then went by midbar by my
midbar already then each person took
their own alia because that's that was
the first week
when they were afraid to have about
kyrie standing next to a
you know an iola
so
by that minion each oiler learned his
own aliyah to lane so when they called
you up you were told in advance you're
getting you're going to elaine shilishi
so the person came up and laying the
whole thing himself it was an
unforgettable experience
what we're talking about is not it's not
so simple that a person who misses a
powershell we just mentioned this it's
not so simple that he needs actually to
make it right
also not it's considered an individual
an individual certainly has you know
this different uh there's a different
shock that you can it's a hovis at
seibert it's a responsibility of the of
the community not necessarily for each
individual
all right remember thank you very much
for the discussion and thank you very
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