Hilchos Brochos - Part IV

you the fourth in a series of webinars on helpless brothers way from a double-header my name is Robert fe goldberg and glad to host this program today we're going to discuss remember we'll discuss the whole office of hamas see what does when you wash for hamad see what does that cover in your meal the appetizers the desserts and so on what exactly does it cover and what doesn't it cover if you'd like to join the voice program by phone you can dial 218 895 1203 218 895 120 3s code 2020 the this coming wednesday we have our regular series webinar at webinar series on the end of the month every wednesday at noon last wednesday of the month and this this week we'll be having on red line curse fell who's going to discuss what it takes to do a catering on your own sorting without a mushy of or is that a good idea sometimes people have a kiddush or an affair on shabbos and they want to run it with just a caterer and one of the pitfalls and what are the things that you need to be aware of what if you're going to do that so that's this wednesday at noon and we'll send you out a reminder of how you can access them and the next class with with her behavior is tentatively scheduled for two weeks from today if there's any change again we'll let you know via email if you have any questions that the starcade can assist you with in cash truce or in any area of a lotta please call us at 4 10 4 a 4 4 110 or info at Starrcade org remember how much I Goldberg this morning this afternoon we're going to speak about the locus of what a person besides a hub might see what are the various how losses as is well known from early childhood what a person recites a how much am I see the rest of the meal most of the rest of the meal is covered other words if a person does not make how might see a meal you have to make a brothel on all the various items unless you have a Negro to topple so for example if you sit down and you don't make a might see if you had potatoes and rice and chicken let's say you would make them design this on the rice to make a hot tub on the potatoes you make a shackle on the chicken but if let's say before you begin that meal you made how might see you washed then how lucky is you would have do not have to make a broth on any of those now might see covers that that entire meal so again that's the basic hollow hub but we want to discuss this afternoon is number one the loans is the rationale of this hollow ho well how does it work what's the what's the background and number two is what are the exceptions to this rule because it is not is in the following statement is not true that the how mighty will cover everything from beginning to end as we will see there are different items that it does not cover and it's important to know exactly how this works the long dis of this that I might see covers the entire meal is a current Tuffle as we learned earlier when you have a mixture of different foods you you make a bracha vicar and it patters it exempts the toefl a person needs a piece of cake and this frosting on the cake you make a bizarre set of cake do not need a Chicago thank you not only don't you need and allowed to make a shock all of the frosting because it's Tuffle it's been covered by the designers that you recited on the cake that's the that's knoblauch by how might see we extend that a lot of dhikr Tuffle and we say what a person makes that might see on the bread the rest of the meal is Tuffle is secondary to the bread even though you're not eating it with the bread in other words it goes without saying that if you spread peanut butter onto a slice of bread you don't need is a separate program the peanut butter no different than the frosting on the cake that's certainly a classic example of a toughie love a secondary ingredient but even further if you might see the beginning of the meal and now you're serving chicken you're not even eating the chicken together with the bread or you're eating potatoes or shabbos you and Phil to fish and you had a chicken soup and you had um Charlotte and kugel and salad all of those items are Tuffle are secondary to the bread even though you hate your steer piece of college I love the shabbos a person look I feel like dealing is supposed to eat a cabana boy sir which means more than a kebaya more than two causation which would be approximately the size of two golf balls so once you've done that you're going to soon as shabbos and you ain't that at the beginning in the middle you're in biddy evidence enough to even you want cause I is you can have that at the beginning of the meal after you make a bite see and now you won't see anymore holla and you'll just eat your dear cholent and so on you don't need any Brock on those items because these items are considered Tuffle secondary to the bread even though they're not eat with the bread however has I'll tell us that that only works on Varma bun Maximus a student which means their items that come because of the meal they are meal type of items and from that terminology of hazael we see and they themselves say that it's the Varma but if they are d'ivoire a bombshell I'm a casa su de which means they are items that are not eaten as part of a meal they're typically not even eaten together with bread or at a meal with bread they're independent that independently eaten typically and you decide to interject those items into the middle of the meal they are no longer Tuffle and therefore the law is one does not what would have to make a bra on such an item that's the general cloud let's go through some examples now the typical entree main course side dish and beverages are all included in do in in drama bomb at Osasuna and you don't have to make a brothel on those items however a raw fruit is considered Varma boy Shalom opposite surah people typically don't eat fruit during the meal so let's say in the middle of your let's use the shabbos meal for example because that's typically when one washes you take decidability or shabbos feel you go to the refrigerator you pull out an apple and you'll eat the apple so the loss is that Apple requires a burqa inks now you don't need a bra right on the Apple it's going to be included in your business on my side but it as far as I brought from China it's considered independent and therefore the middle of your meal you're going to make a bird pi/8 on this ample because the Apple is the farm a bunch like Michaels in suit up and therefore it requires its own bra and that's more together than shabbos it's not typical people walk over and to refer to take out an apple but it could be relevant to your lunch that maybe you're eating as you hear this year and that is if you have a bag lunch with a tuna fish sandwich and let's say some carrot sticks and an ample so most people will eat the tuna fish sandwich and perhaps they'll eat the carrots or cucumbers um together while they're getting the sandwich and even if not they're considered drama von mackensen sudah their their vegetable and that's typically eaten with the meal and therefore you do not require to the brothels if you're sitting there eating your tuna fish sandwich together with a band with cucumbers and carrots or the lettuce and tomatoes you don't require a separate Bravo because the drama by my house as soon as a part of the meal however if you have an apple so certainly doing that Apple for dessert you're going to need a brothel with the top of desserts older player but even if I ate that Apple in the middle of a meal so you ain't let's say you have a tuna fish sandwich and you have two apps and you make the first half of the sandwich now you say let me try an apple and you eat the apple and then you beat the second half of the tuna sandwich or you're in second tuna sandwich then na wala is you need a bar trades on the Apple because it's firm about math is part of the category of vermin punish lemon juice and soda and therefore that what is one would require its own independent and separate raw now there's an exception to this rule and that is exception to this exception and that is if a person for the force price for the appetizer they ate a fruit cup there is a Suffolk in halacha whether or not it requires its own bra because a one and we can say it's raw fruit this very common you'll come to let's say a sheva brachos or someone catered meal or fancy meal or large meal and you sit down and sitting on your plane there's a fruit cup and in that fruit cup there are fruits so let's assume their birth dates you have up finally have apples and oranges and some grapes in this cup we learned earlier in a sheer let's say you had some pineapples in there you would go you could do define what the acre is let's say it was primarily hates roots you make up our prey it really doesn't make a difference even if the for spices watermelon which is also a in this case even though it's a party on the double we consider it as a as an appetizer and we consider it as a fruit as far as our purposes or concern people typically don't eat watermelon during the course of the meal the halacha is that one would not have to say a bra on the force base on the raw fruit this is a Suffolk and I Walcott's malaika's subject profit so Huckle if a person ate from that fruit before the meal that would be ideal in this case usually we tell people don't eat before the meal because it's a proper shaded Tsaritsa but over here it might be ideal to make the bar pays before you make a might seem to be I'd say for sure the bra ha but if you did it and then typically people might be uncomfortable all of a sudden picking at the fruit cup before they even sat down before they even watched I mean I might see so in that case will you make that might see now you're looking at this fruit cup you do not require a brothel on that fruit cup because of the Suffolk process oh well I got a one what's the Suffolk I want to end it is a fruit so it's around my baggage like my house I soda it's not part of the meal and therefore it means its own bar plates on the other hand the floor spice a appetizer is really part of the meal because it's as the name in the case it's an appetizer it's there to what your appetite when someone just begins eating something they they all of a sudden get a bigger appetite and it helps the meal itself and therefore some say it is a / mushrooms and sudha because it's servicing the meal in other words if you eat an apple in the middle of the meal it serves no purpose it's independent Anthony requires its overall but if for the appetizer for the four spice you pick up the fruit or you have the fruit cup and you begin to eat it there are those that say that's really part of the meal and said it's the answer it's the NADRA is the entrance into the meal it's the advertiser and therefore one would not require a broader because it's considered development by my suit up Suffolk profits sorry professor Loco which means when in doubt we say don't make a bracha eat the fruit cup without a bra but if you need that fruit cup any other time during the meal in the middle of mail or even for dessert as we will see one would have to recite abroad another example of drama bunch of mattresses sudah is wine if a person drinks wine during the meal the law is it requires its own bra a buddy a coffin or for that matter gracious because into the wine is typically two people do drink wine during the course of a meal but we do not allow the huh might see to patter to exempt the bird crap golf at the retro govern has its otra vez and therefore we do not say that the wine is putter now that's the only beverage wine and grape juice if a person drinks water orange juice apple juice soda fruit juice or some other item during the course of the meal that what is it sponsored by the mighty because it's varma hypothesis soda people when you eat a meal you can't just eat the meal you need to drink with it and therefore that's considered part of the meal and one would not beside abroad but if you drink wine during the meal you need a raha now what happens friday night or shop this morning do you require a bar golf in this case because you began your meal when you say began your melee the first thing you do friday night or shop this morning is you recite kiddush and when you recite kiddush you drink wine does the buttercream Guffin before the meal exempt the wine during the meal so the answer is as follows if you drank wine or grape juice before the meal then it will exempt the wine or grape juice during the meal however if you did not drink wine or grape juice before the meal you only heard the kid then it does not ponter it does not exempt the wine during the girls let's give some examples friday night i'm a kiddush and I drink the wine so then I going to make a mighty I go watch make a mighty and now let's enjoy the course of the meal I decide that I want to go ahead and drink some more of the white epaulets a wine to my Becker and I want to drink that wine now at a later shear factor the next year midst of Shem which would be this year before Puerto we will discuss if you drink a second different type of wine the Hawass of the broth about time I'm native but we're not talking about that that's a separate a lock up we're talking about where I had wine and I drink the same way like I say I had a pepper I drank for the bike I poured out something for everybody at the table I drank from the better and sitting on the table is the wine now we need to fill two fish and now I want to drink some wine after the fish I do not need to make a very often because I made a putt putt golf end before the meal started when I make kiddush when I recited kiddush I drank the wine that exempts me on any wine that I will drink or grape juice all the way through because it's opposite sides that type of make an issue if I bring out a different wine but if I want to drink something um and right now that's let's say that same line or under certain conditions different line as we will see what we learned on time I'm native it will exempt it and therefore I do not require another bra on that wine because I already drank the wine however and the same is true with my family at the table where we will go ahead and everyone gets a little cup of wine and everybody drinks from that wine and now during the course of the meal they decide they want to drink more wine or grape juice let's say the grape juice was on the table which was there and so does not take evasive issue and now the wine exempted all the wine and grapes are sitting on the table and now the they want to drink grape juice during the course of the meal and blueberry muffin is not required because it was exempted with the bar prep confident to be the meal in other words that might see does not terminate the kind of the strength of the original a coffin that often remains in place intact all the way up until I bench however let's same person that night rent one person feel up to drink the wine up or and I'm interested in drinking the wine so there goes a kiddush to be a sick kid is you don't have to actually drink if you're a listener of the kiddush you do not have to drink from that wine there are certain conditions even than the commish could give away the wine and let all this drink if he doesn't feel well that's a whole lotta nothin skittish but let's let's give it more of a practical example i recite kiddush there are people at my shop is table and what person says i don't want to drink anymore so that person is jessica dish I had come on it to be biting that Dan come on it to me I'd say they will then eat a pseudo in the kitchen off from sudah hyena studente the soda I'm going to finish and suited shabbos their educators and shoot shots even though they drink any wine you don't need to drink wine to be a kiddush you need to hear finish you need to have to come out of AXA and the person for citing the kiddush needs to have confounded to be might see you now this person was hectic kiddush but it was not yet as if our track often in the sense that if during the meal would say he wants to now drink some grape juice after we make I might see he now sad is giving past the grapes i want to drink some boats it's one of the children they want another drink grape juice they have to recite of our track often because the Firecracker often that I said and kiddush that didn't work for them because they never drank any wine at the time and the ha might see that was recited that's not going to work either because grape juice and wine are considered Pharma bunch of lame-ass masuda they require their own biography and therefore they in that case when is to pick up 2 cup of grape juice and recited by profit in order to be to the idea we all that schnapps is drawn by Marcus asuna and Abraha is not required so it's only wine and grape juice that that is necessary that one is required to recite a bike rack often on during the course of the meal now another example of drama bok choy madness asuna includes items that are tip not eaten during the middle like ice cream or candy or sherbet those are items candy is not something typically during the meal you take a chocolate bar and you either it or some jelly beans and you're eating that or ice cream or Isis again I would talk I still think it was a milk Camille then that what is you're allowed to do this is no prohibition from eating these items it's just they're not typical items eaten during the course of a meal then the next such a case a lot is abroad is it has to be a bra has been recited because they are devouring my bun mama says surah now AE another discussion a detailed discussion are the whole office of dessert at the general rule this is a Malika's dessert of course is what's eating at the end of the meal after you eat your main course and now dessert is served particularly shabbos people here or by a shaman office or even some people during the week will eat dessert at a meal the halacha is dessert is considered the most Piscean are of the opinion that dessert is considered a separate entity and therefore with one exception which will mention in a moment dessert requires its own braja whatever the desert might be if it's ice cream or Isis or candy some sort of candy item or fruit or melon all of those are the desert is a separate entity and it requires a its own independent bra under most conditions because I muscle will cover dessert so again we're only talking about now reciting a row horoshaya on this deserted now this is an exception to this and that is possible kismat items which are what would fall into the category possible kisten a classic example of that would be cake is something that is accepted by the how might see even when is eaten for dessert it let's define possum of a kiss and then explain why this is an exception to the rule popeyes Arabic isten are items that are similar to bread but do not exactly meet the criteria of bread it includes three categories it includes items that happens that the dull the taste of the dough has been transformed based on the addition of other ingredients a classic example of this would be cake which has been the dough has changed its time is taste now instead of things like a bread it takes it's much sweeter and therefore tastes like cake or even cocoa chocolate cake you've transformed the time the taste of the dough and it's different noms if you have how we a little sugar sweetened develop is still a mighty but here you change the whole the whole my hose the whole nature of the daleks change and therefore the bra is a barbadian sinus unless you come in as pseudo on it unless you make them an end to a meal which is really beyond the scope of our discussion at this point another example is something which is filled with fruit that's actually the literal translation of pasta bowl piston piston is a packet so within the packet of this dough there's fruit an Apple turnover for example would fit into that category and the last category possible kiss them would be something which is a hard and brittle item so for example that that is made with flour of water in classic example of that would be a pretzel a regular good old-fashioned hard pretzel is flour water so higher it should be a bread but since it's baked to a hard brittle substance it no longer had cut is considered a bread is considered possible be kissing it and therefore again the Brussels as a scientist you don't have to wash on it you don't have to bench on it unless you are conveying suit unless you make it into a meal now let's talk about dessert the reason why if you eat any of the above if you ate the cake or you ate cookies for dessert you do not need a a bra a new bra hub for the following reason let's say for dessert you decided to eat matza for desert Nomad since I've I see and you sweet the mass a little bit you added sub my jam on to the masa attention dessert dehydrate of the middle and now for dessert you like the sweet matza so you put some jelly on it would you need to make a might see on that matzo for it's not because forget about the hollows of of past covers all the items during the bill you don't need a voice out of matzo because at the beginning of a meal you already made a might see so it certainly covers all that might cease not because of a current Tuffle of everything we've been speaking about a bread take care of the gelatin the kögel and the chicken and the chicken soup and so on it covers it because it's another type of bread and therefore it's right you make i might's young rolls and you take out slices of bread during the meal you don't need another have i seen because you made i might see already it's it's similar to let's say you sit down to your meal when you don't wash you don't make up i see and your serve the bowl of vegetable soup and the process have done and now during the Middle they serve your peas and carrots do you make hot double on the peas and carrots now you may not dump it to begin a good meal and then for dessert they serve your watermelon do you need a hand up on the watermelon no because I may not dumb at the beginning of this meal and it covers the entire meal so I don't need I have three different on Thomas I don't I make a barn for shelter until I am ecs fast which means i say I'm finished this original hard amo on the for spice on the on the bowl of vegetable soup will take care of the entire meal so I don't need any new bras that's push it I become Tom lasts all the way through so same thing here if I think I might see at the begin of the bill and that's all the way through so I have jam Atlanta for dessert it's coming to cover it because i made i might see how many laughs all the way through pasiva be kissing it is suffolk etc Suffolk and a lot and it's a Suffolk whether we consider it bread and needs a mighty or we consider it amazoness Suffolk brothels logical typically is implemented to say don't worry about washing on this suffolk lago don't make i might see edge on this item now their piece of Isis because Suffolk process so how come you don't have to make that one extended brother on eating a piece of cake because summit process for Huckle what we can take that same Suffolk profits and flip it the other way and say maybe the Brock on this item is really amazing in other words cake is a Suffolk mustiness Suffolk I might see on the side on its side then it's a might see my original I might see at the beginning of the meal exempted all our might ease as we said if in the middle of a bit of you may not might see on a roll in the middle of the meal you eat pizza and then you eat bread and you eat matza you don't need up another brother and I might see and if I for dessert I ate my son and jelly I don't need I might either because I already made out might see the beginning of the meal and therefore that how my CC will exempt all our might cease so me Suffolk from from the angle of a doubt the lucky is that original I might see me Suffolk will exempt will Potter all of the choices that I even the summa i see so therefore my ear piece of cake at the end of the meal it's exempted me Suffolk with the original I might see and that's why the exception of the rule is that Hamas II will not cover any dessert with the exception of something which is impossible kisten in a case where it's a Suffolk so to speak where it meets one of these three conditions um and therefore I do not need to make a brothel on the cake now that should not be confused with the following the following statement is false but it's partially false which makes it false and that is if I have the Zionists for dessert I don't have to make a brothel on that item now this is why it's a false statement is you can have let's say rice krispie treats rice krispie treats armagh scientists because we make a coziness on rice products rice krispie treats again when you mixed it with peanut butter or fluff or other types of items now the broth has designed as you search for dessert so you need to make a mess onus on that item because rice krispie treats are not a possible piston they are designed this because rice we were not to make amazonas but they are not possible kisten and therefore they're no different than a fruit or a piece of watermelon where I me aur or candy or ice cream which requires a bra because they're not pot to buy that Mike's its own ones that do I go back to the statement to say that I might see will pattern all desserts that our busyness is usually true because most resign this is that you have for dessert are possible kisten you're eating a piece of cake or and so on then will ponder it but if it's a rice krispies item or another type of possible kiss then I'm not passing up a kiss then or if you could come up people with something known as a bicycle de Road which would mean a bowl of oatmeal is a basic adera you have open up for dessert but if you had some sort of a cooked product that's not a passive of a kiss then then the lava is one would require a a brothel on such a dessert now it will exempt it will exempt how might see will exempt the following as we said the basic part of the meal and as follows if let's say you have a cooked fruit that's eaten as part of a meal or you can even have a case of a raw fruit they talk about Waldorf salad um a Waldorf salad is something which is typically eaten during the course of a meal or most cook of cooked fruit that's not eaten in as a dessert type of form some people will serve baked apples as part of a meal or apple cobbler or cranberry sauce these are typically during the course of the meal in fact very often they're coming as a puffle to one of the courses in the middle cranberry sauce is very good with chicken or turkey so the cranberry sauce is considered the farm about moccasin sudah because then there is a relish for in the main course which in itself is Tuffle to the huh might see so if you're eating a fruit or even apple sauce and lattice let's say we have you serve the applesauce and it's eaten um it's typically a Tuffle it's a relish to the rest your main course so now we say that you don't make a problem because here's how it works it's a domino effect I have my bike seat my chicken or my turkey is Tuffle to the bread it's about my mouth was a surah and anything that's used to enhance the taste of the turkey so cranberry sauce goes well with turkey latkes are drama but mass was a Sunnah the apple sauce which is enhanced by ladka is also drum about mitosis udah and therefore one will not require Braha on on such an item because it's typically comes in store my methods in surah is typically during the course of a bill if a person eats a a their meal is a fruit plate so this is a Suffolk and a lot the cases follows let's say your entire meal is fruit I was till now we're talking about you had a fruit for dessert it designs eat an apple the vanilla beetle you had a more spice right your your appetizer was fruit so we have all these issues that we dealt with in the shear what happens if my whole meal is fruit promise I think I mighty unless this happens you know we set my kitchen star case that's when she kicked him all over the world and sometimes the question is what are they from Ayla specially shabbos they have to use Sudha and they may be in a far full location that certainly don't have access to crush on me they can have their shots cholent if they're lucky that may be going to bring in a jar filter fish or the tuna fish or salmon or something that they could take a lot but let's say it's a case that's a long trip and they depleted their stock or they didn't let it in they stopped it at the at the border patrol or at the ones once I'm kind of stopped with cans of salmon because it was too much liquid in the foreign airport they said it's too much liquid you know can't take it so that's it you're stuck so what's what's their suitors and they have their their loaves of bread or their box of matches and that's going to be their life ambition and their meal they go out the fruit market on Friday and that's of course it's kosher there in China or Taiwan or South Korea and now they have to come up with a meal so buy fruit and they'll buy fruits and vegetables and come back to their hotel room and they'll cut them up the washroom and cut them up and now this is there soon shabbos fruit beautiful fruit plate and that's going to be there soonish APIs do you make a bra on those fruits or not a one hand one can say we just said fruit is that farm a bunch of Navasota it's not part of the meal but over here this is their meal their meal is fruit what's a lot so something in a lava and in this case they say the best is to begin the meal with a little bit of bread maybe even wanted it to end the meal with a little bit of bread if possible but it really is enough to begin and that is when you make that might see you'll eat your breath and chill from your la commission up and then when you start eating the fruit you put a little bit of fruit on the bread and that shows that it's it's it's nowt awful to it but now part of the meal because I need to get a little bit of people typically don't put apples on to bread but you begin the middle by doing that and even more motor itself as well and the meal if possible then you've incorporated the this fruit into the meal and therefore the law is one would not require bracha really be Suffolk and you're just ensuring that another step to show that it's part of the meal different you don't need a broad but one should not do this if they ate an apple during the mills to eating a tuna fish sandwich for lunch to take the Apple the third of a sandwich and eat a little at the beginning that's not really enough to do that the case here is where your whole meal was the fruit as we gave our example our star Kim ishqiya God making sure that the conscious is being implemented in a in a proper manner in again enough in the distant locations where food is produced and of course businessman or other people for traveling in areas where they have a fruit plate or even what kind of fruit plate for many other reasons for health considerations and so on then this would be the lava they should begin the meal with the bread and that will will make that look up that a separate profile the fruit is not necessary that certainly as we said breakfast how buzzes I will ponder the entire meal in all of the above cases and again there are certain exceptions possibly where if one is that fancy hisana and tables are cleared and then reset and dessert is sort of there's fakest in such a case whether or not even a product writing is required under certain conditions one should ask a shyla in that case when what is it such a casa know where that happens and there's also another shyla as we mentioned with ms eNOS when one needs a possible kisten this is a shy love a person eats something which is definitively a passive of a kiss then meaning it's impossible kiss and according to all definitions it's it's hard it's fruit-filled and it's sweet perhaps a apple pie with a hard crust might fit that condition there are sheets instead hold in that case you may come as a Miss because there's no suffolk than its bread it's definitively a passive up a kiss then because it meets all three conditions again watch an ester local rub that Shiloh how they should be knowing if they eat an apple pie with a hard crust for dessert I'll take questions okay we have a question what is the reason why dessert for instance ice cream is not considered part of the meal on shabbos in particular people to expect to see a dessert such as ice cream pie roof in particular for guests they have no preconceived note expectation of Mazzone associa jaco for dessert so so the answer is why what about ice cream so the answer is is we could Center a historically dessert is beneath as a separate entity remember that the idea here is is there's a term which is used which I didn't mention in the share but to answer this question i'll mention it malad fizzbuzz have passed which means literally items that are eaten with bread the reason why you don't have to make a drawn chicken is because chicken very often eat with bread make a chicken sandwich and solid so chicken becomes Tuffle two of the bread because it could and very often with brett not even though i'm not eating my chicken with my bread most people eat the challah they may be be done with a holla by the time they get to the chicken but it is devoured that malaka spice up past it's used it's eating together with bread now even cool even if person eats a piece of you shall be huggle um that we say the kumara tells us how about flood subsided they would eat now I'm gonna happen they would actually take care of you no one puts a piece of Shelby kögel which is a noodle Co go on a piece of bread those are similar items and therefore it's not really lost by some pots but we extend the dinner monetize have passed to drop my pie muffins and sort of things that are eaten during the seuda together with the chicken and together with the main course no one eats bread no one eats ice typically not know what if Utley ice cream is not something that's either the last place I passed you know putting ice cream on bread and it's not / my mouth was a seuda it's not something that's he needed together at the time the bread is eating again the kugel is eating with the chicken which is eating at the time in a bread it's all part of my meal and therefore the cocoa doesn't need a bra either but ice cream is not something that's eaten together with Brad its relegated to desert and for that matter besides ice cream dessert is something that typically was never historically with bread and therefore the the extent of the kite of the bread to ponder terminates with the end of my main course because that typically is what's defined as a meal but nowadays we eat the dessert but the line so that is considered a separate entity I should mention the shin Roberto Vincent's al-shifa nary straw was of the opinion that even desserts do not require a bra because of this shy loves being asked and that is well nowadays our styles of how we have to have changed and therefore we doing dessert as part of the meal it's typically like you say you're a guest someone's house of Chavez we almost come to expect to have a dessert and now therefore what do you mean my headlights he really should be going on that as well for that reason we're Shiva's sack was desserts do not require a profit herb there commendable Shiva who do not make a profit on dessert because they go to protect Bhairav of brand-new of realism article raha however the consensus of most pie skip is is not like that again because that's a hidden within the framework of mouth has I'll implemented in other works into this matters at this that's the my legacy of the Shiva help that now we eat dessert as part of me also it should be incorporated whereas the consensus of most pie skill is that of a peak gain how has I'll establish the Kai's of the broker might see they did not cool dessert that was considered a separate entity and therefore even though nowadays you expected but la la la la mesa of most opinions hold that desserts do require a independent profile again unless possible kissin is we spoke out earlier ok if you eat bread with a dessert is there still a need for a Brooklyn to this area and if not then you shouldn't want to do this look I feel to avoid the broke on the desert there are people who do that also I think the consensus of the pie scheme here is that in this case your madness yourself into a Suffolk by doing that and therefore we're going to come out again there's this hookah day it's not just a difference of opinion up but we're going to come out that ideally rather if you do eat it like that you're getting yourself into a shyla is do certainly if you took ice cream and spread it on your bread well how long day is you would not need a broke up because it's Tuffle but just to sit there anything bread and ice cube and so on according to many opinions you're getting yourself into a Suffolk profits that called Tuffle is it enough for the bread etc and therefore to avoid that Shiloh it's I did better not to do that rather to make a bra on dessert when your entire meal was the fruit plate we advise doing that is number one the next your whole meal and you're in a Suffolk situation to start with you have no way around that and and number two is that in general is a strong side you don't need a bra anyway because it's your main course you just add the bread the beginning of the meal what's called after the mill set to make it much stronger as part of the mill so again that's why there we do it but I desert it's preferable not to do that according to the consensus of any place good okay another question if you eat the fruit before you wash you have to make a broker owner or is it including breakfast than month so the ideal method there is to eat less than a shear in that case what you'll do is you will go over to a little fruit cup and you know take a little piece of watermelon and let's let it tumble fruit cup take a piece of watermelon Becca dumb up let's say it's a nice fruit cup you'll take up a little piece of apple and less than a shear to avoid this issue of whether or not one has to make a brighter the whole locus of when you eat before a meal whether you need a Brock Ryder are very complicated and therefore one should avoid that Shiloh and just eat less this year ok should you drink a Scirocco before the suitor to Potter Chicago for liquid during the student not necessary because we hold the jihad cold beverages are considered part of the meal and schnapps is part of the middle and therefore it's not necessary to do that it's automatically pastored by MIT okay thank you very much mr. Chevy the next shear which is tentatively scheduled for two weeks from today which is the second day of restraining order again we will send out a notice if there's any change to that date we will talk about the proper coffin and what it has the ability to exempt as we will see just as brad has the ability to exempt all the food during the meal hog often has the ability to exempt various beverages and local office as well as speak about type of it thank you very much thank you ever ever yes your colored one thank those who have helped us get this in order Debbie Rosenstein le ride letter of a Chapman and we look forward to seeing you again again this wednesday at noon we have a regular series of webinars month webinars and we throw to Chris felt I will send you an email about that have a great day take care