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Have Your Coffee and Drink it Too -Ben Yomo
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Ki Heim Chayeinu has teamed up with STAR-K to produce a series of videos exploring the practical halachos derived from the sugya of Hagalas Keilim, discussed in Pesachim, Daf Lamed.
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in this episode of ben yomo
we're going to address the question of
coffee the question of drinking coffee
in a non-kosher coffee house for
hundreds of years pisces have addressed
the propriety
or impropriety of drinking coffee in a
non-jewish coffee house
in today's modern coffee house there's
almost no cross-contamination between
any non-kosher food and drink
that could make the coffee or its
equipment non-kosher however
in almost every modern coffee shop there
will be a high temperature dishwasher
used to sanitize the food service
equipment
and the coffee service equipment and
they could be washed together at the
same time which raises a question
whether the dishwasher
makes the coffee equipment non-kosher so
how does a dishwasher work
water comes into the dishwasher which is
then heated by this element here
the water is then drawn by a pump into
these sprayers which sprays the water
onto the dishes which washes the dirt
off of the dishes
so the dirt on the dishes gets knocked
into the water on the bottom of the
dishwasher
and it just sits there cooking in the
hot water and being sprayed over and
over again all over your dishes
milk water flake of water even traff
water so basically you have
very flesh egg or milking or traff water
that's being heated right there or
clearing
and being sprayed all over your dishes
again and again and again now that we
know how a dishwasher works
it should come as no surprise that we
don't recommend
going to non-kosher coffee shop to drink
coffee made in equipment that was washed
in a non-kosher dishwasher while we're
talking about dishwashers
what happens if we make a mistake let's
say you have a fleischer dishwasher
and someone accidentally put a milk a
spoon into the dishwasher
so now that was from the cereal this
morning they had cereal milk there was a
little residue
on the on the spoon this is the most
common shiloh with dishwashers
in that case we would say the dishwasher
is still kosher because
the amount of milkricks in that
dishwasher is going to be bought from a
shishman
the residue is my newt compared with the
water that's going through the
dishwasher
even the beliefs of the spoon may not be
a problem and even if they are a problem
it's still a minute amount compared
with the volume of the dishwasher itself
and therefore the spoon is bottled
bashing the milk is baltimoshishim
in the dishwasher the dishwasher's
crusher all the candy market with the
exception of the spoon itself
so very simple ether if a milk a spoon
goes into a flake chicken dishwasher
and you ran a cycle you would take the
spoon you would let it sit for 24 hours
you would put it into boiling water and
the rest of the dishwasher and the rest
of the calum are cushioned
enough about dishwashers let's get back
to coffee shops so the real problem in a
coffee shop
assuming that everything that's going
into your cup is kosher
is going to be the dishwasher even if
there may be some flavored inclusions
they're not going to rise to the level
of making the calum not caution
the real problem is the dishwasher
washing coffee service equipment
together with food service equipment
let's make this simple
coffee shops of course it's preferable
to go to a kosher certified coffee shop
if one's traveling and you know that
everything's going into your cup
is kosher there's room to be lenient and
to buy coffee even in a non-kosher
coffee shop
as long as you know that everything
that's going into your cup like black
coffee is kosher
remember that there are a lot of things
that coffee shops have syrups
bases mixes that are not kosher
certified
and the only way in an uncertified
environment for you to know whether
their crusher is to actually see that
they're crushed
there are coffee chains that don't use
high temperature dishwashers and it'll
be easier to drink
all kosher drinks in those kinds of
stores it's very common in the dunkin
donuts chain
for all the hot water to be limited to
120 degrees
if that would be the case and you'd
probably need to verify it
then there wouldn't be any problem of
cross-contamination between kalin
because the water doesn't rise to the
level of yazza lettuce
now there are drinks in starbucks that
are made in a way that never come into
contact with dishwashed equipment those
are espresso-based drinks espresso-based
drinks like cappuccino
or macchiato and so on and so forth as
long as everything that goes
into your cup is kosher certified do not
present the dishwasher problem
for a full list of those see the star k
website at www.stardashk.org
under the starbucks list while we're on
the topic of coffee we might as well
address the keurig machine
the curry machine is a dedicated machine
it's
calen mujaden there is nothing else that
you do at a keurig machine
except put k-cups in it and generally
speaking you don't take it out
and put it in a dishwasher so the
question is can i use a curing machine
in my office
where there are people who are not
kosher can i castrate my cure
for pesach or if i got to use kirk what
can i do with it the first question is
was the keurig ever used for non-kosher
or hummus now plain coffee
is not common in addition to that there
may be flavored coffees which
absolutely require a haksha or other
specialty drinks which also require
hector
but they wouldn't rise to the level of
making something really that traif
or comet stick there was a time when
they had chicken soup cake ups which
were absolutely traefe
otherwise we would advise that a keurig
machine could actually be cautious for
pesach by running a cycle now it's
important to note
that the cup holder in the k-cup is made
out of plastic
we would advise getting a new
replacement k-cup holder
for pesach for your curry machine
some people think it's a humra to
catch a thing with an immersion heater
because
the there are cheetahs and there's
shinrim that irri
isn't even um it doesn't even ask a
great creeper
so we're mahmoud creeper if it doesn't
also clay clipper that means
it's not movable likely bird so how is
it going to get out
any issa or hummus that was in the oven
which
is would go in there could they clipper
i'm not in favor of that as a matter of
fact i think
that kash that um
clashing with an immersion heater is not
considered a cleavation
according to all sheetas now there's a
baseliner a tube from the baseline who
says
that when you put immersion heater into
the water
since you're not heating up the bottom
of the sink
so the sink is cold
and you're putting hot water into a cold
clean
so it's like a cliche because ptosis
says that the reason why cliche
is not marshall is because the tranus
macaro is that the walls of the kali are
going to cool off the water
so myself argues and said well we see it
boils so how do you say that it's not
sorry
but he says no it's a cliche and based
on this
based shloimer i would venture to say
that if you cook up water in a
microwave oven that is also clicheny
because the microwaves do not have any
effect
on the glass or whatever else you're
using