10-29-2014 - Out Of The Box Certifications

hello and welcome to starc's monthly webinar held here in our headquarters in Baltimore Maryland to my right is RAB baray welcome back again thank you and I'm RAB Goldberg good to to have you again thank you for joining this webinar is held the last Wednesday of every month at noon eastern time at the address learn kosher quick click webinar.com koser if you have some trouble listen listening through the internet um the phone number where you can join us is 1203 again 218 8951 1203 passcode 2020 uh if we could just have a couple of people who are joining with us to chat with us at the bottom left of your screen to let us know that you that you hear us we just need one or two as long as uh a couple people can hear loud and clear great okay so then that means we're we're we're okay um so today's topic is going to be out of the box certifications of the star and star has given certifications on things other than food and and and and drink and we thought it would be kind of fun to discuss those those issues um I want to remind everybody that our past webinars are archived at kosher class.org and also on our Vio channel uh you can go to Vimeo and and um and look uh for the Stark Channel and the last sessions that we had were on misas which is one of the things that we do certify that's in the box that's that's well I called it out of the box in the Box very good okay I'm a little slow today keep that one keep that one that's a good one okay that one is in the Box um uh and and those were quite quite I think you'll enjoy them they have uh pictures of actual muas the issues that that that are with them whether they pule or or not um we had Rabbi Hinman followed up with Rabbi Englander and also Rabbi speiro uh to also also also spoke to rabbis rabim about about mes um um I'm wondering if we certify any tea today because that's what I really need my voice is we certify tea you do a company don't you carington yeah more than one more than one we lots of tea companies that's big and te there's a little my voice is a little bit on on the on the Rocks today um uh let me start with the poll that I created you're going to like this R buyer absolutely I like everything you do thank you that's that's why I have you here because you're I know I'm Yes Man Okay so let's take a look at this poll uh that's coming up on your screen um it says uh starcast certified all of these listed except for one can you pick it out that was that was our email um about this webinar so we have a bank uh Medical Clinic refrigerator Zoo arog grow mza suit Factory and and what was the last one material for human eyes so if you if you take a minute to vote um and we'll show you the results afterwards which one do you think is not was not ever certified by star k like everyone's banking on the first one well but we'll see don't give away the votes before not going to give it away the what's it called the exit polls yeah for the people they tell you who won before before before the uh the the vote is over um um what I want to say first is the reason that the star k gets involved in in these uh various certifications besides food I think uh you just have to look at at at the administration here ra and Dr poic uh are people that normally think like that like out of the out of the normal like what can we certified things that are necessary for um for certification people need things certified or we're asked to certify and we can do it we have the resources um we're a certifying agency that involves again but the but the definition of certification yeah in each of these unusual is is different cases is not the same thing as what it means with food it doesn't mean you eat it obviously but I'm saying more than that though it's it's what does the certification mean okay that's what we're going to discuss what the what would the certification of each one be but as a as a certifying agency we have the tools and we have the uh the rabbis who are uh sort of into an analyzing you know various aspects of different um issues to see what you know what are the uh what are the things that need to be looked at and and and we can be confident um that that they meet our standards that's really that's how we come to these things so raahan has a lot of creative ideas um he created the star k the symbol right that symbol is copyrighted to RAB mosan our Rabin administrator mhm I believe he did create it um it's Unique because it's a five five pointed start five pointed start it's not a six-pointed right it's a patriotic right American as a matter of fact I once got a question um a consumer was upset why would we not use the six-pointed mag and David star for our symbol why did we use a five-pointed star uh and it was very hard for me to explain to her that I think that was the point we didn't want to use something that was less run in the mill right you need something you can't I don't think you can copyright a Sixpoint star it's it's it's something that's in the public domain um okay so let's take a look at the uh at the results um it seems to be um neck and neck between the bank and the zoo um let's end the voting and and I think we can show you these show you these results um okay so half of of those who voted said that we did not certify the bank half said we did not certify the zoo uh some said we didn't certify the medical clinic and some say we didn't certify aerogrow and a few said we didn't certify material for human eyes so okay there seems to be agreement that we did certify refrigerators right and muus and and the suit Factory that seems to be simple this the questionable ones are the bank the zoo the medical clinic and the material for human ey those are the kind of Oddball um certification that people are eyeball yeah eyeball the um okay so what does he say is um is giving it away over here he's giving the end of the story that the bank that we used to certify Maryland permanent bank so here's somebody who knows the star backwards and forwards so we'll get to that um the thing that we did not certify is the zoo that's the real answer the correct answer is we certified all of those things except for a zoo now not to say that we could not have certified a zoo I don't want to show you this R we could have certified a zoo and what would a zoo need to be certified for look at this I figure the animals eat the animals maybe no no look at this that wouldn't be very look at this wait a second here we go I remember that guy you remember this I remember that guy this is a picture um that um was taken the caption is Silverback male gorilla Lucas eats a matah a cracker-like bread eaten during the Jewish Festival of Passover at the Ramadan safari near Tel Aviv Israel Tuesday April 19th 2005 as Safari staff prepares its animals for the week long holiday Jews are not allowed to eat or touch leaven food stuffs during the Passover holiday which commemorates The Exodus of ancient Hebrews from Egypt AP photo AP photo this comes from the AP that I found when I was writing my article on um on pets and animals in that's on the K currents on the Stark website and um that we we would not be allowed to feed animals on on PES right so this is right up your alley with the the pet food it is right up my alley gold is into pet food so this could be you know there's still room out there for us to certify a zoo that that the zoo is running according to that they don't feed on on on PES now what does that do for me huh what does that do for me for you the zoo zoo the zoo goer that uh you feel have to wor if have to worry that there might be humet in the gorilla cage jumping out of me or something look I I I'm not sure what what it would do for the consumer but the zoo would need you know the zoo looks good though looks good zoo might want to I'm not sure would be willing to put a star Zoo right right now we would not have to certify that the food that they're eating is IDE no we would not have to certify that because they can eat uh the animals are allowed to be you're allowed to feed them so they can like order out or something who the animals no you feed them pet food that's not Kosher that's okay that's no problem okay well I wanted on this topic I want to tell you but we could certify like the food places in the zoo yes that's you mean like the concession stands yeah that we probably do do we probably have that that I don't know no so but that's a good idea though yeah we once had a had Bron zoo that would be great yeah we we do it at Hershey Park about that we do it at Hershey Park right we certifi but we once had an application for a company called kosher pets which I believe is not in uh not around anymore their their claim to fame was that their uh their dog food the cat food was actually kosher not just uh from kosher animals but actually slaughtered kosher we could eat it a person would theoretically be allowed to eat it their claimed to fame their claim not their claim to fame but their claim was that if his kosher is good for you it should be good for your pet as well and they came to us for certification which we refused because that was that would be a joke um it's not necessary to feed your animals kosher it doesn't benefit them in any way and um well and you can explain about you have to be careful about certain things you mean meat and milk meat and milk like that right okay that's true thank you for bringing that up but to have actually kosher star k or other certified meat to feed to your dog is not necessary to have that but you're right there are issues like like like meat and milk which right which uh are definitely issues that we get questions about um um is pointing out the same thing you are um uh some dog foods are BS correct uh dog foods are are B yes some are right and you have to be careful I get a lot of questions about that about different ingredients in dog food okay let's close this R enough with Lucas and um and we'll go now not Lucas no I don't know if it was a Jewish G or not okay let us let us now R um do this so that we can get a get the full chat in over here if you just will bear with us for one second we're going to play around with your screen okay so now you can see on the bottom of your of your uh of your screen is's the chat box which we enjoy enjoy the chat we'll make it a little bigger for those of us that are challenges with the eyesight um now okay now um let's let's let's Okay so we did that the bank what's with the bank so we got to the bank already the bank was was Maryland permanent bank which is a bank was a bank on on on rown Road near here in Baltimore although it's called Maryland permanent bank it's no longer it's no longer around it's not permanent it's that was only hopeful that was permanent wish wishful thinking was to make you think that you could put your money there safely the bank is no longer in existence taken over by something else um but it was a Jewish owned bank and they knew that they live they're around in a Jewish area and people had the the the Jews had a concern that since they are a Jewish owned bank uh or interest or ribus is a problem if you uh put your money in there they pay you interest and especially if you have a mortgage with them uh you are paying them interest which is even a bigger problem which is sometimes also an issue when you when you take out a loan for your house uh with bank a you know they'll turn around very quickly and sell it to another bank they they flip it right they just they just did the initial work to get your loan and then they flip it if that second bank is Jewish owned you have a problem you have to uh figure out better talk to your R because that's a that's a major issue paying you're paying interest to a Jewish owned bank are there any non-jewish owned banks that could be on the receiving individuals are there any n what you asking are there any no oh any known uh okay so Rabbi Chapman is asking are any known banks that we know for sure have uh Jewish ownership that are that are concerns um if you bankim or something there is an internet bank I believe it's called um okay the Name Escapes me um there are there are some maybe will come back to me there are some Childs are no longer Jewish that's as far as I understand oh yeah uhhuh there are some known I if I remember them I'll let you know so what we did with this Bank years ago was we created what's called a heter Isa for them a document that allows um loans from the bank and interest to be paid by the bank uh and and um that's a whole other discussion of what exactly is the mechanism behind the hadisa but it is a document that that re red does the transaction slightly to be a business transaction instead of really a loan so there was a sign in this Bank when you go into the bank you'd see a sign next to the teller that would say all the transactions in this Bank are according to the bylaws of the bank and in the bylaws of the bank was this allowance for the heter ISA so even though you go into the bank and you don't really know what's in the bylaws but you're accepting it that's why there's that sign there if it's so be it if you want to know you can have a copy of the bylaws right if you're really interested and that's that was now in inica America it's not that common because most banks are owned by non-jews but in Israel uh I've been in Banks there and um some of them have it on the wall they have like a big you know they want you to know that they have a herisa I know it's become very common in now in Europe I think in European Banks who deal a lot with Muslims oh the Muslims also have a Sharia thing where they interest yeah so they have to do things according to Shar that's interesting okay L Al uhhuh um okay let's take some of the uh of the comments here um Jeff they had het Isa this is we're talking about the herisa says um many Israeli banks have branches in the USA correct okay so then if they're owned by by uh I I would assume that those Banks probably have a header Risa and they're working based on that and and uh you may want to check if that Adisa they have meets your standards um okay so there are other questions about about how heisa works and the Jewish person is a shareholder and so on um we'll leave that for for later you're welcome to uh email us if you have any questions about this at um at info stark. org or another uh email address is webinar stark. org and uh hopefully we can uh we can deal with your questions okay let's move on uh the next one well those people that listen to these webinars regularly would know that we did want certify Stark cell phone you can see the uh the starc sticker on that phone that we had and what was with that uh we were approached by um a non-jewish person who wanted to get into the market wanted to get into the market and he had created this uh this uh he he studied the the kosher cell phone market and kosher cell phone means that uh in the vernacular means it doesn't access the internet it doesn't have text um that's what generally a kosher cell phone means just a phone it just works as a phone right which is unheard of right nowadays I happen to have one of these smartphones yeah that does everything but work as it okay it's lousy phone so the um the the idea behind the coach's cell phone is that people who want for themselves or for their children many times or a school for their students wants that wants to know that that they are not using a phone that can access the interet um the internet and some people have a problem with text also anyway this fellow created this system um and we tested it we actually we sent it to uh to be tested and it came back that it was very very difficult or impossible to break nothing is impossible but very difficult to break and and we certified it and um there was a lot of interest in it there was a lot of interest uh some people did ask us though why can't you just call your cell phone provider and tell them turn off the internet and turn off the text if you want you can do that uh why don't you just do that why you need a fancy I think the concern was though that if you were going to give this to your child to your teenager let's say or whoever is away or that they might turn back moment of weakness but why but youate yeah but you as you as the owner of the account can have it turned off for them and they won't be able to access it yeah so the answer to that question was way we answered it was well uh it doesn't always work uh you can call your cell phone provider and you can have it turned off but a it doesn't always work right B not every uh phone service offers that that possibility especially with prepaid phones they don't there's no customer service like that and uh C was that the schools uh they look at your phone they can't tell whether it's been turned off or not it's not something that's obvious the schools want a phone that they can look at right away and see that that that the student is using a a certified kosher cell phone so you need something with a with a sticker on it you know that has it's not enough just to call the provider so we had and what happened in in the end though was that uh Somebody by accident found a way to break through and was able to access the internet on this phone it was very difficult to do you had to go through a certain number of steps that you needed to know um and the odds that somebody would come on to that were very slim by accident Yeah by accident he discovered that you could he was trying to do it no he was trying to I want to give away the secret but he was trying to trying to do something trying to do something and he was able Lo behold yes loone behold he was able to accid the Internet so we removed we offered the the uh Pro the manufacturer the option to try to fix it but he could not I think that guy was hired by the end say could not do thata guy from lakeood was who this guy the one who broke itd so so we uh so because he could not fix it we did not feel comfortable even though it worked 99% but we didn't feel comfortable putting our stamp on it and we removed our certification although the phone still works for most people it would still work and and and and none of these phones or none of the technology is really foolproof uh for kids who uh who are Savvy many of them they can break through just because you got uh some other kosher phone you should realize that we have discovered that most of them have some way some way of breaking through um okay so that was with this phone that we that we did those are no longer available the starc as far as I know they're not any longer available right um at this point um okay now well the refrigerator that everybody knew that we certified um because we do the that's a good sign that everybody knew that we certified refrigerator only keep kosher food in it is that it rejects non rejects non look like the table so they for shab is they for shabas right so they uh the just like the ovens they have issues that they they uh when you open the refrigerator light goes on and the temperature gauge changes and all these different uh the fancy refrigerators the fancy refrigerator referat are especially problem problematic and therefore we certify refrigerators that have a sabbath mode that before shabis or before y you turn off the uh you turn it into sabbath mode and then when you open the fridge nothing happens and it doesn't all the different issues that you can find yeah more more the more things you have the more problems it is more problem that's my father never got electric windows in our car mhm cuz they break break and then forget if you're up the creek it is true one of the recommendations we have uh is simpler is better if you I bought a fridge recently it was not an expensive fridge um and uh and it do it doesn't have any of those issues I don't need a sabbath mode on my fridge but if you buy one the one that has uh has has you know a water dispenser and some of them light up as you walk over to them and uh nice yeah and and in middle of night I think there's one that says you again that's that's the one I need I actually okay um let's look at some of the comments here Rick says my cell phone is from Sprint the only time I ever access the internet was my fingers hit the wrong key so I asked to have the internet turned off on there and okay so Rick has a kosher phone and um it's certified by by uh by himself by by rck Jeff says has anyone from Stark contact contacted the manufacturer of the smart thermostats for homes with possibility of a shabas orog mod mode okay smart thermostats for homes which means I don't think we've ever contacted them but now that you mention it we certainly will now what would be what would be the point of of of such a thermostat why can't you just set your thermostat I mean in other words you have to remember before chabas to put it into you don't want to have to program it every shabas and Y you wanted to know that shabas and Y that you go on and off at certain times ex that says it has sensors oh they have sensors in you mean it sensors when you walk into the room and you leave the room and off yeah there's one called Nest that's one called Nest that's a problem actually famous one yeah those are problematic yeah those those I see what you spoke about that in the in the in the hotels right when you were researching hotels MH it turns on and off person's in the room or something right the my Artic call in hotels we talk about this that when you go into the room sometimes you even open the door that activates the uh because they're trying to save money right especially even if they don't have that a lot of them have in hotels when you open the the if you have a balcony you open the balcony door that for sure turns off uh the air conditioning because it's hot air is coming in and there's no point in it that's that's that's that's a problem but um yeah so that would probably be something they connected to the Wi-Fi and not the schedule it shouldn't be difficult for them to build in Shas and schedules to automatically turn off the proximity sensor you're right that is something that um that is a good idea um usually we we are approached for certification rather than vice versa um so really the best way for you to get this done Jeff is to contact the manufacturer of that uh um of that um thermostat that you have and recommend to them that they apply to us for a certification we certainly would look into that I mean that's definitely one of our upper alley upper alley we have refrigerators ovens we have where I think we're going to have the star k home one day you know one these home shows you can let's go there the star k home everything all the appliances are uh right all the systems are star k right um uh there is something like that for for um uh for your light switch that uh that controls the light switch you can program it for your area for your time zone and it knows when Sunset is every shabas where you are and it will e will it will like disable the light switch so for instance if you want the light in your dining room on all all shabas you don't want your kid to go and accidentally turn it off um then you can you can have that done and so you just set it once and it goes uh it goes forever or not forever but until 2050 so that's quite a number of years um Aviva says with regular thermostats there's a manual switch between heat and air conditioner some days you need both heat and air conditioning that's true um at night at night you might need heat and during the day you might need air conditioning um but I imagine that there must be some there are some there must be some sophisticated thermostats that you can just set a temperature that you wanted to stay at um and it can figure out if it should do heat or um okay how about a device that keeps an object moving says Andy such as a flag to constantly trigger the moving object detector in the hotel room to the lights AC will not turn off on chabus yes that's one of our recommendations that if you buy sit there with a flag no I'll tell you how you do it you buy you go to theel honey you you can't know the the point is on chabis on chabis so that you wouldn't be able to do it yourself because if if if you're moving the flag you're said you're contining uh uh manipulating it you buy a a balloon a myar balloon a helium balloon okay the helium balloon you put near the thermostat you attach it near the thermostat and it will move around because the air currents in the room and that fools a thermostat into thinking that somebody always there and will'll never go off the old balloon trick right sometimes sometimes when you're laying in your bed at night in the hotel and you're still the air conditioning will go off when you move it goes back on anyway this trick of of the the balloon trick will will help you you can't just put pillows underneath your bed and make it look like there's no some of them work on on movement so that's I got it I got it I got it yeah okay now let's go to say plug in a fan Ze says plug in a fan you got to bring a fan with you right plug in a fan that that that turns back and forth you'd have to be able to put that near the sensor I think somewhere near the sensor um you know we heard about the balloon idea and it seems it seems to have work for people okay let's go to the arrow grow the arrow grow here is this is this re buyer you probably I remember it remember this yeah um this actually growing anything now no this uh this is in my office still so that's you can see it when you come in yeah what is this Arrow grow it's a hydroponic you can't see it you can't see it okay well just put it here but I'm not going to leave it up here the whole time but the arrow grow is a hydroponic system um where uh it's still for sale we don't certify it anymore it is still for sale you you you buy these little pods that go into the holes are in this uh Contraption and underneath there's water circulating and you put in nutrients top is special and on top there lights right so it has lights it has has light it has water it has nutrients and it grow hydroponically without any soil cool um and that's so what were we certifying okay well they they came to us and ask us for certification um uh that's a good question what we were certifying uh we looked into a couple of things number one is that the this system does not guarantee that you won't have bugs in the lettuce that you could grow in here it doesn't guarantee it because if you have bugs flying around your house but it's certainly less likely it's very it's pretty unlikely that you will you will get infested uh leaving it in your kitchen unless you bring in other vegetables and put them near and they jump from one to the other or you leave your screen uh window open then they come in but if you're if you're we tried it here in in the office we didn't get any bugs except sometimes we would get like big uh flies and things that that those easily you weren't going to eat them you're going to so what we did say was if you grow it here in this system you could um uh you could just take a cursory look at them and wash them and and you didn't have to go through the whole process of cleaning them because it's unlikely that they were infested to begin with you have to check them a little bit but nothing as not the serious checking that's required there's also a br issue the issue right the there's a issue the BR on hydroponics according to our opinion is sh because it doesn't grow from the ground it's not means the ground it's like You' make on the water itself right there's other interesting thing I remember when you because you grew um Roma lettuce I think one time okay and I tasted it m and it actually tasted like M like horseradish it was bitter remember that it was really bitter this is what real ROM the reason it was bitter is because it kept it was there for a long time growing it was it grows but then at the end it turns bitter you can understand why Roma is one of the we use it as nor that question question is asked why is Roman is a little bit sweet it tastes good why do we use it for the bitter herbs and the answer that's brought down is that if you leave it in the ground it gets bitter well you could see that with this system that's pointing out related issue now with shita right very good so rapan is pointing out that it would also be good if you had one of these now in Israel for shita purposes you can still buy them although they're not they're not certified by us um but they're still available um and uh if you had one in Israel you wouldn't have a problem with shita because it's not growing in in the ground it's growing in water and you wouldn't have a problem of the sabatical year which is an issue with the fruits and vegetables now growing in Israel and you wouldn't have to either tithe you wouldn't tithe them either true Muslim Isis wouldn't be required because they're not growing from the ground there would still be Shak yes it would be shahak um and so this is a real option for somebody who is living in Israel wants to get some they do a lot of hydroponically grown yes the vegetables in Israel already yes the like the the katif vegetables many of them for this year are either grown in Jordan because it's outside of the land of Israel or um they might be hydroponic hydroponically grown uh but actually they they they use Pete Moss in the past at least I don't know what they're doing this time in the last cycle they Ed Pete Moss which is also not a is it's not Earth it's it's not earth and it's not considered to be growing from the ground one other thing that we did certify with this with this Arrow Garden was the nutrient tablets that you put into the water we certified that there was nothing non- kosher in them even if they were non- kosher it wouldn't affect your vegetables because it's going into the water and the vegetables are soaking it up it's not a kosher problem but this is a general rule with star that if we are certifying something as as with a star k it it you know we have to to make sure that it is uh that it is that it really is kosher it is kosher if somebody would uh would want to eat it um and so we we did check into that another issue that we dealt with was PES Passover were these nutrient tablets any issue for Passover we used to get questions about that so that could be a problem for that could be a problem that if there would beet in them um then they would be a problem for Passover but we at that point we certified that there was no Passover problem theory if they would have been B them right um at this point we can't say what's in them we don't really know anymore we're not certifying it but at that point there wasn't any issue okay let's uh let's keep keep going down our list um um mizza which we we mentioned before uh we did we do certify muas and sofim scribes we do there are staras certified local starcase CER and there were also specific muas that were produced in Israel are produced in Israel how we certif a scribe what do we do for that okay when we certify a scribe we RAB uh is approving there he he checks them you know and he tests them he tests them and make sure they know and he's approving that this scribe is a reliable person he doesn't check every muuza that they that they sell or they they write but those that are certified by us generally will ask him questions and he can get a sense of you know whether or not they are they are reliable so so this um this uh brings us back to the the sessions that we had about a month ago uh I think again it would be worthwhile look at your email and you'll see at the bottom there is a link to these uh muuza discussions Rabbi Spiro from town here RAB bamin Spiro who's a a very authoritative Sofer he spoke to uh rabbis about safis and their Sho that was very interesting and then we had raan go through particular muas that we show on the screen to show what's the problem here a double word here a word left out over here and so on um and we also produced for our new kosher classroom uh Stark kosher classroom which is an Endeavor to bring kous information to classrooms around the world for kids we have posters that are available uh for for uh display in the classroom if you're interested in that just contact us um at info@ stark. org or webinar at star.org and we just did a mza poster right so it has it's very nice it really shows you various uh muas very clear what's wrong with them and and so on so I'm a little bit involved with the kosher classroom so just just to yeah give it a plug yeah give a little plug um all of those materials that we have available right now we have many of them I think there must be 15 or 20 posters at this point maybe 15 posters um with great information are all available through uh.org which is C n.org which is the the website of um Toro um tasar is making them available and these are all free of charge uh they don't cost anything what would cost is we we would send it to you uh basically we send it to you on a on a CD um that you can then download and and print out copies as many as you wish mhm okay those are great they're really they're really a lot of fun there's some videos there also mhm um let's run through the last couple everybody because our time is coming to a close um uh let me remind everybody this these webinars are the last um Wednesday of the month at uh learn kosher webinar that's how you remember it ww learn kosher.com koser uh and also by phone if you want to sign up for the emails to be to be reminded of of what the topic is and and what the uh when it is send an email to webinar star.org so the last few that we have R buyer are suit Factory we did certify a suit Factory uh and the problem there are the suits could be shotes which is a mixture of wool and linen and uh so uh we certified that the suits from that factory were didn't have that problem we have also a a shot checker for the little star have it here we have a shot Checker that comes in once a week to check the uh to check suits of the community but this was on a more on a scale for a grandale for a sale for a for a factory that we were producing what was that brand name um l l i don't remember um and people should know though that with suits and shotes is that if even though you've bought a suit uh the say let's say you like a particular brand and you buy the same suit again and again or the same type of suit it just because you bought one and you checked it doesn't mean that the next one will will not will be okay and the reason is that sometimes they switch factories you know they're over here you the cheapest deal this Factory in Vietnam and then the next month they go somewhere else not only that but uh even in the same uh suit I've been told that you could have uh the right arm is put on over here and the left arm is put on over there so you have to really uh you have to really check it um right uh Jeff says my mom had asked me a couple times will it take someone to become certified to check shot so someone wouldn't need to drive to Baltimore to have things checked whoa okay we don't a little politically charged that question we don't certify shots Checkers uh you got to go to New York for that or maybe l Lakewood they do that and uh that's there's an organization that certifies shess Checkers I don't know what they call them what do they call them shess Checkers what's called shot Checkers of America or something oh what's what's the organization don't know yes there is no the star is not over for courses although we've been asked okay um Stark Tech put up the uh put up the Stark kosher classroom posters link thank you very much um and uh we says we use a photo cell on our outdoor light there are ones that screw into any socket and the light screws into the photo cell it removes the program need for sunris and sunset okay it would stay on longer than 1:00 a.m. however using an LED light is low cost long life okay there's some advice there for your for your porch um we also did certify of course we still certifi certifi um and got you covered many couldn't resist many of you probably have using starcase certified there there is if you do you should be aware that there is a letter that comes with it tells you exactly how to put it up and how to uh put it up 100% correctly um we're not going to get into that now but if you look on our website type in you'll bring up that information not not that you need it now but for next year you'll have it um and um mention this webinar I get 10% off no no just kidding we did certify okay material for the human eye what's that all about uh we were approached by a company that was making some uh medical material for a human eye out of um a pig out of a pig came from a pig I don't think it was a skin in a pig's eye yeah it wasn't it was it was an internal but um and so we did not certify this kosher obviously because it's not Kosher but we did give them a letter that said that this material is suitable for uh in the eye used used in the eye for a kosher consumer other words a person shouldn't think mean a person shouldn't think that there's some problem in using non kosher a non- kosher ey piece of material for his eye I I mentioned this to someone yesterday and they said oh I didn't they didn't realize that that wouldn't be a problem they said what about a heart it's like know a heart valve or something from an animal um you know is that a problem no it's not a it's not it's not an issue um of course you couldn't eat this this uh we didn't certified for food consumption but we were very clear what exactly we are certifying so the point was to reassure people yes who had to use this right that it was okay right mhm now it's not something that we do we still certify this no with some of these certifications uh we don't go out looking for these but they they come to us and and many times we'll tell them you know it doesn't really need to be certified like with water okay if we have a water company that's a typical example we tell them listen you don't need certification if anybody calls us will tell us tell them it's okay with have Apple company like that too raw apples okay but there they may be worried about the uh the shine you know that we told them we don't need to be certified no no we want okay okay um um okay then the last one that we have is a medical clinic this is a little bit of a sensitive topic the medical clinic was a fertility clinic that we certified um and what was the certification was that just we can't specify 100% it's a family show but that the materials that they were using were what you would expect to be used and they weren't going into their their freezer and taking out some uh some materials from somewhere else for the fertility purposes which they uh they might uh they might want to do to up the chances um and so that we had a the the the certification was it was a nurse um a fir nurse a religious nurse she was the Mas and she was uh when you wanted this service you would contact her she was in charge of you know of the collection and everything and storage and everything and uh and so she she was our mas and that's that's what the certification meant over there and the truth is it really does need a certification it doesn't need ours necessarily but you need this this process needs a certification because the the the the uh the clinics are their interest is in getting results they want to go to people and say we have a 97% you know success rate and sometimes by using other materials they will have a greater success rate so therefore it does need c it does need some somebody this question a real question for many people unfortunately there are there are others fertility there are others that do certify this so what you're saying is they they really need to discuss well obviously they discuss the questions with their RIS I think there's an Institute called the Kua Institute P ah right now they're involved with it I think they do certify such things if anybody needs that um we would certify it again if someone would you know would would approach us and do and and take the steps needed that we require for certification but that also is one of the uh I guess you know that's certainly out of the bo out of the box because but it is something that's very it was very it was very necessary and it was very helpful to people and so that was one of them um uh zeev says certification is always good regardless of the product or good for business or good for business regardless of the product yes okay because people rely on it if they have one that's certified and one that's not certified they'll take the one that's certified extra pair of eyes yes um Aviva says regarding pet food is it not also AIC problem to benefit from something resulting from an act that is user for some non Kosher meat is taken from animals while the animal is living um she's asking about AB in aai she's asking about benefit from Ab um that that is a problem but I'm not aware that they that they the animals are alive I'm not I'm not familiar with that I'd like some information aiva if you could get us email webinar at star.org I've never heard of that I'm sure Peter would have gotten on that pretty fast I've never heard that the animals are alive when they're taking the food from them there been all over the Internet okay well if you can let me know I'll take a look at it Peter is all over it okay oh Peter is all over it I never heard that I don't know why why why they would have any benefit in doing that I mean quicker guess it's quicker not to kill the animals before you feed okay um for shess is there a listing of which suits have shess or you can assume if is in another brand okay no there isn't any list we wouldn't rely on any such it's always changing it's always changing for the reason we explained it they may be doing it um your your your uh you used to be able to say if it comes from a certain country then it's probably not but it's it's really right if you have a John White's I don't know who makes suits John wh or whatever John Whit how about Macy's if you have a Macy's suit it could be it could be made um anywhere you know it just depends again where they get the best the best deal they get the best deal quality is is somewhat important also probably yeah they pay for that too in other words you well so it depends on on where they you know it changes constantly right so even though it's the same suit uh um you know unless you you could know that it was made in the same place at the same time but it's really impossible for you to know that um okay so and shot this checking is pretty affordable and and relatively available for most most people I would imagine yeah shinness checking is a few dollars shinness checking really has come a long way uh and um there are there are many people trained and it's usually not that difficult if a person lives out out of the way his only option really is is to to ship the suit over right I know people that do that start like a drivethru shot they do do that uh it's a skill that is useful if a person is going out let's say a person's going to be a a a a rabbi or a teacher in a fire Community it is worthwhile for him to get trained shus because it is definitely a need and they can really most most people will probably forget about they probably will not bother to to to send their suud in but if it's easy to go down the you down the street to somebody they will for sure okay I want to thank everybody for joining us uh I think it's been been interesting and fun and uh thank you Rabbi berer and thank you Debbie Rosenstein and Rabbi Chapman for helping us here uh please join us again next next month Wednesday uh the last Wednesday of the month at 12:00 noon for a discussion of kosher topics or non non not non kosher but non food issues it may be we never know what we talk about we're talk we never know right and um a variety show I want to I want to to uh just take a look over here at um I want to take a look at where our viewers where our viewers are coming from um and how can I do that it's like somewhere in Northern Iraq is that Mustafa there is a way to do it there is a way usually we have we have we have people from um some Isis guy from all over the world but I can't I can't find it right this second so I'm not well we'll assume we know we have people from New York we usually have people from California sometimes we have from Spain David single says he's from Chicago okay if a few of you could let us know where you're from that would be great Abe from the CRC yeah he's usually on what's going on here he from the CRC is busy getting ready for the AO convention next week next Monday there is a large uh International it is international interal cerist conference right at for Stark Prof for kist professionals it's held at a it's being held at a starcase certified hotel in in resort in Pennsylvania called Capital camps um and um so if you call a stark next Monday and Tuesday you may find that the rabbis are checked out and they're busy uh trying to upgrade conferencing trying to upgrade the standards and so on we get together it's really very important around the pool that all of the all of the agencies get together um you know there is there is competition among agencies like any business but there's a lot of cooperation when we need we want to have standards we want to make sure that that the agencies are keeping to to uh to some set standards that people can be confident and to discuss what what our research shows what are your research shows what do you find about the bugs in the in the lce what did you find you know what are the latest techniques what about technology what are the latest you know uh advances that we can use to to better the kosher um uh Market we have Montreal New York Israel Silver Spring Israel Long Island Baltimore Illinois Rick and Columbus where is he from okay we have many more who are um who are with us Phoenix and uh Phoenix great oh that's mayor that's mayor uh Freedman I think probably right I don't know could be that's our friend in Phoenix yeah summarizing the AKO conference sounds like a great show idea MH says you want to hear all the inside scoop yeah mayor Freedman that's who he is Mayor Friedman welcome they want to hear everything that's going on at the at the the next at the next show goldber will give you the rundown what's happening what I'll tell you what they served what's the latest goldber will tell you what was discussed and I'll tell you what they serve what's the latest in the casers what are the Innovations what are we looking forward to in the in in the next in the coming year m c Gardens we thank you all for joining us right we'll see you next month take care take care bye bye byee