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10-28-2020 Yoshon Simplified
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STAR-K Kashrus Administrators Rabbi Zvi Goldberg and Rabbi Sholom Tendler discuss and explain Yoshon in simple terms.
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robert hendler who's our guest today is
on our west coast
office in uh sunny los
angeles uh my name is rabbit sv goldberg
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all right thank you very much uh yaakov
and miriam and janet parrott thank you
so much
um so today's topic
is yoshin which rabbit temple is going
to
explain describe um
we don't have to have any jokes about
right
like it's it's already old stuff already
it's almost
i mean once you start with that you're
never going to end okay we can skip
those jokes right
okay i mean they'll come up there's no
question they're going to come up
okay all right so uh the way that we we
titled our oh let me just mention if you
want to call in if you're having some
trouble with the sound on the
on the computer or whatever for the
reason you want to call
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that's uh that's for just for phone uh
phone only
okay rabbit hannah so let's uh let's
begin where's
uh where does it take us this this dive
into
uh the ocean discussion so as you said
it's an old topic
um but you know anytime you use the word
old it's going to be a soon to be a joke
even though it's not really the case but
uh you know this time of year um it's
really starting early at the end of the
summer at shashana time
our hotline everybody's conscious
hotlines every conscious agency and all
the conscious chats
all the chatter starts talking about
yahshua
it seems that a lot of people are
interested in yahshua a lot of people
as they say keep yashan or don't keep
yashan but it seems that a lot of people
are confused about what exactly yoshin
is
um people think everything that's past
israel must be yahshua
and everything that's yahushua must be
possible wanted to reality to have
as much to do with each other as as milk
and meat like totally
nothing to do with each other um and and
i guess we just in our discussions where
i go over you and myself we thought it
might be helpful to have a webinar and
discuss what exactly is yoshon
and when does it apply where does it
apply
why do some people as they say keep it
and some people as they say don't keep
it
and try to cut through some of the
confusion in that and then again and
then after that
and maybe not necessarily in this order
maybe after that we'll go through
the probably the most confusing aspect
of the ash and that is for those who
keep goshen
using the guide and figuring out which
items are yoshin and which items aren't
yoshin which
seems to have a lot of confusion
associated with it
that was your line in our in our uh
email was
how do you use the the guide without
needing a phd because it's a complicated
uh story
right it is complicated it is
complicated there's no way we need
a lot of there's a lot of resources out
there that try to simplify as much as
possible
it's technical but that's uh that's
that's your job today to try to make it
bring it down to
uh right so hopefully we'll explain that
and uh clarify it
and uh everyone could walk out of here
with that less gray hairs on their head
about yoshin um okay so i guess let's
start with what is yoshin
all right so yoshin literally means old
in case no one has figured that out yet
and really it's a possibility the
terrorist says
that the new grain when grain is
harvested that grain is not allowed to
be in midair
so it's not only even until after pesach
until the first day khalamoid pesach
when the times based on egg dust they
used to bring the carbon either
at some point during the day they bring
the carbon armor after that point all
the grain that had been harvested from
the from
before pesach um is allowed to be eaten
and
before that it's not allowed to be eaten
why why
why why is there such a why is such a
mitzvah on the torah
right um so you know you could look in
the chinook
brings various reasons for the mitzvah
but you know uh basically let's just
leave it at
that you know i mean let's
i don't want to get into the reasons why
i cut as well who gave him mitts on the
tour and the other day we were doing
coach cottage bro who said so
but really is that he doesn't allow the
the terror is not allowing the new
grains
um to be consumed until after your have
the ability to bring a carbon
um to a cottage borough who recognize
that workers want to provide it with you
okay but you know we don't have to
necessarily get into all those uh
all those details um in chutzlar it's
where we have two disciplines
so it would go extend until the first
day columbia um and eric's israel would
obviously be on the second day yandev
now
um just a technical point but through
the webinar it might come up the
practical enough community
at what point on the first day of
halloween does it actually become multi
um if you would have a situation where
that makes a difference and
well i'll give you a story a little bit
later of a situation where i made a
difference um the answer is um that's
actually
a mishna in sokka and agumar and sulka
where it talks about that
one of takanas he made was cool that
since
we don't know when the base emitters
will be rebuilt and they might we might
end up in a situation we could bring the
carbon armor on the first day columbine
so we wait until shia
um this way um this way you know
in case basement just gets rebuilt
carafe iron which we hope
and then and then they have a time to
bring the carbon iron and then things
could become water it's actually
interesting
i'm curious to hear your story what
could make a difference in
the what time of day it becomes
permitted i mean i i guess you can't
wait till next morning for your
whatever food i don't know so i'd rather
explain how the harvests work first
i think you'll understand the story a
little bit better um
so what does it mean harvested before
pesach and that is something that this
is the
the golden question where it confuses as
you know
every a lot of people get confused about
this because you have to know a little
bit of how
agriculture works and that is the way it
works is the following is that the heart
as we know
pesach is when things start sprouting
and shush the
cuts here in the northern hemisphere at
least that is something that is
predominantly true
is that everything gets harvested in the
summer so that means is that the grains
that got harvested in the summer which
you know in america and many parts of
europe pretty much most
most northern hemisphere june july
beginning of august that's pretty much
the harvest season as we know it
those grains once they're harvested are
considered kadash and they're not
allowed to be until after the following
pesach
so that's really how it comes up is that
you have grain that's harvested let's
say
in the middle towards the end of the
summer july august etc
and that grain you're really not allowed
in the raisa
at least you know for those who keep
yoshin and we'll talk about that what
that means in a minute
until after pesach so that means you
have to hold on to that grain for eight
months or so
and not be able to eat it um until then
now mind you the companies are not
necessarily holding on to this grain
it's being harvested it's being
processed into flowers being put into
products
and those products are hitting the
market already at the end of august
beginning of september
all have just been freshly harvested in
a month or two months prior
so that's where you have a lot of
products that are going to be in the
market then that are produced from that
grain
and for those who are making yourself
they don't want to eat those products
until after pesach
at the same time people who are making
ocean companies that are making ocean
have to make sure that they don't get
any of those products or any of those
flowers into their facilities
again until after pesos they have to
make sure they have enough stock
from the previous summer's harvest to
tide them over until after pesach
the next year okay okay so that's pretty
much
how the harvests work now um
i'll give you one more technical halacha
in detail then i'll tell you the story
how it made enough to mean is that is
that
um when do grains have to when are
grains planted
okay this is a question that makes a
very big difference and the reason is
the following is that
the luck really is is that other than
just being harvested and holding onto
the grain until after pesach the first
day of
harmony passes if grains are planted
before pesach as long as they're in the
ground before pesach
and then you go through pesach when
they're eventually harvested in the
summer
they do not have any other concerns so
now we ask the question okay so when are
we as long as they took root
well okay so when are these grains
planted how long before pesach
when are grains typically planted so we
know pesos if that's when they start
sprouting but when are they actually
planted in the ground
so the answer is there's two there's
generally two
types of crops in the united states of
america and other countries also but
there's not as winter crops and spring
crops
winter crops interestingly enough are
planted in the winter actually right
around now
october november they plant wheat in
especially many of the colder states
they plant wheat now it sits in the
ground dormant the entire winter
and until july it sits from the ground
from around now until july and it's
harvested in july
so that grain since it was planted long
before pesach and already took root in
the ground long before pesach
once it eventually gets harvested
there's no other concerns with those
plants at all
and those are known as winter crops and
what products have winter crops
we'll get to that in a minute then just
spring crops spring crops are
which as most of us are used to in our
own home gardens for those of us who
have
you plant them in the spring which is
around april may
and march if you're lucky if you live in
a warmer area that's when they're
planted and they
are harvested like two two and a half
three months later in july and august
now when those crops actually get
planted can make a very big difference
um because there's only because how long
before the first day kalama
it takes for things to get take take
root so it's like this whether it's
three days or two weeks that's pretty
much the two
days so if something is planted
the day before heir of pesach it could
be if you planted it in enough time you
can have
three days before the first day of
halamite and then you don't have a
hottest concern now
as as much as pesach has late those two
years and we don't have to bring our
heaven into the conversation see how
they pesach can actually get
but even at the latest pesach it doesn't
seem that we were ever lucky enough
that pesa was late you know late enough
in april where they got all the grain
implanted in the ground before pesach
which would pretty much avoid any
austrian concern whatsoever so far it
hasn't happened at least not in america
um and and how do we know this
information anyways
and the reason we know this information
is because the usda the united states
department of agriculture for those who
don't know
they have excellent and very exacting
records from all the
obviously not every single farmer in the
country but they know when the grain
plantings and the grain harvests are
taking place they track it
it's incredible the detail how much they
track and how much they're able to track
and how much information they have so
we really know you know when things are
being planted and when things are being
harvested
so now i can tell you the story that i
had is that we have a company
that that makes grains i'm actually here
in baltimore and migrant farms is joseph
hertzmark he has a company
that produces artisan and all types of
fancy flowers from different grains he
owns land
out of baltimore county and he called me
up the day of vidiq's comets
and he's tried he tries to make all his
grains be ushan
and he um he called the day before
biggest comments and said he's been so
busy
right he has a whole crop here that he
met he just hasn't gotten around to
planting
is it too late so i called her i called
her behind him because i was under
impression we passed in two weeks but
heinrich said and and turns out most
players going to say in the hutzlars
anyways we'll be passing in three days
so we actually have made a heisman
almost to the minute
that he was able to get into the ground
72 hours before
you know before yet before the first day
of harmony and literally down to the
wire
three days uh he literally down to the
wire he got it into the ground
so those crops would be able to be
considered okay so that's a producer if
the average consumer
it's not going to make a difference
um let me let me just
everyone's thinking that we're going to
take some questions
if anybody wants to chat here with
questions as soon as we can
um uh and nina wants to know what's the
phone number again so let me
uh do that to you one more time it's two
six
two six seven two seven nine nine
thousand
with code one three two six
eight nine four five six uh there you go
uh rabbit chapman put it up on the on
the screen so you can see it there
um uh elise is asking
which kind of lisa is from uh israel so
in israel everything
is always the ocean right but anyway
right countries don't have a problem
with the ocean because of the planting
season in that country
in that country or any country that is
never a problem
so well yeah i mean yes it answers yes
or no first of all i don't know
story in the southern hemispheres i'm
not familiar enough to know what goes on
in australia
how the plantings work there because
they really work the opposite way
um so i i don't know um but but
the question is a little bit deeper than
what she means and the reason is the
following is that
before we get into we'll discuss why a
lot of people are so to speak
macbeth not mockbit and it seems like
traditionally none of our grandparents
you know i don't think anybody here were
making such a thing as yoshin
and the reason for that is simply
because in the areas and countries that
jews used to live in europe and more
northern countries not southern europe
it's very cold so in cold areas you
can't really you don't have a long
enough
harvest season to be able to do a spring
crop so most of those countries
did winter crops so there really was
very little
issue of yashan in those areas and it's
like that in many states united states
also north dakota
um doesn't really have much spring crust
because they don't really have much of a
planting season so
that that's why in in europe and the way
where
jews came from in many countries there
was very little of an issue now
that has changed um with all the
advances they made in agriculture
nowadays
and with not necessarily just gmos but
seeds now are a major industry
developing seeds that have certain
genetic codes and dna and things like
that
that that react and respond and grow
more efficiently
they're able to plant things that grow
much faster nowadays and with different
chemicals that they use so
even in countries and places where
traditionally they always used to have a
winter crop
the last number of years last decade or
so they started having spring crop and
i'll give you an example in europe for
example
it was always assumed until personally
it was always assumed let's say
something like beer
beer for those who don't know is is made
from grains made from barley
and and definitely would be something
that would be of a concern for those who
are mapping
but traditionally it's always been the
sort of speak the word on the street
amongst the european ash kafka
definitely that beer is not a problem
because in germany the areas where they
harvest the malt
or they harvest the barley it's always
going to be a winter crop and it's not
an issue anymore
in the last couple years it came to
light that no they started making spring
crops also because they're able to have
crop you know seeds barley seeds that
are planted more efficiently
and now a lot of that has changed
less of a problem over time becoming
more more of an issue
well yes it definitely seems that those
yoshino as they say is the newfound
humra for an old
an old issue um but it seems that it
definitely has become
more and more of an issue as time goes
on and and there's a number of reasons
for that um let's talk briefly about the
reasons why people are or aren't making
yoshi before we get into the list and
different products
and and the reason is the following is
that obviously everyone says the first
thing is that
no one ever grew up being mapping yashin
which is true but the difference is is
that it was much less of a problem many
years ago
even the united states during the years
of the cold war um
which was a few years ago i don't
remember the cold war i'm not sure if
you do a regular but you know
you're you're so old no anyways um
civil war i might remember but you know
the civil war okay
so so um so the united states used to
keep tremendous stockpiles of grain for
strategic reasons and
whatever other reasons a lot of
different issues they just keep
stockpiles of grain and
to the point where all the grains that
were hitting the market they were due
first in first out so
the grains that would hit the market
were usually years old they would
fill the silos with the unprocessed
grains and they would
they would process them on demand
whenever they needed it so
the austrian was not really much of an
issue even with the spring crafts
because they had such a large stockpile
towards the end of the cold war though
someone told me it was earlier than that
maybe you would remember maybe in the
60s or 50s i don't know
so they started the united states
stopped that and they started just
selling it off to other countries and
right now the way it works is that the
grain that's harvested hits the market
pretty quickly
so that is you know that has changed a
lot has changed over the last
x number of years however many years it
was where it seems that becoming more
and more of an issue but it's something
that we weren't necessarily aware of
until
um reverse of hermann zakharov
looked at it one day and said hey wait a
second there's a lot of information out
there
that is available to consumers and he
realized that this is a much bigger
problem than people may think
so he the way the story goes he went to
ramosa and bianco and he asked them
should i look into this because he
realized what would happen
if he'd look into it and he'd realize
that the usda and the companies really
have exacting information when
everything is harvested
which in which case would become a real
issue for people so the question was he
asked them should i look into this or
shouldn't i look into this
and the answer with he gave which he
wrote over many times that they told him
he should look into it
um and he did and he that's where he
came to publish his guide which we'll
talk about in a few minutes but that's
how this whole thing came about i
i think at least single-handedly
he has the skus for mizaka the rabbim
that people just didn't realize
um and anyone who now who is making i
think it's really a swiss to him
um and uh you know that that he was one
who really brought this issue to
footnote to the to light
now now in order to show it's a very
different story and the reason is the
following is that there's three main
reasons why
people are not making ocean number one
is that sometimes
like is whether it applies in hudson
arts number two it's
whether it applies in in fields or crops
that are owned by non-jews
and number three it's because it's a sex
sacrament we don't really know what's
what so it's a sex seiko we don't know
what's what so everyone decides to make
them
so with ray herman's guide the sub this
fact that we don't know becomes a little
bit shaky because now we really do know
the fact that it's owned by a non-jew i
guess applies in hutzlar it's but not so
much in artistral and then obviously the
first reason there it just still doesn't
apply
so if you are in arizona what you see a
number of people listening here are in
arts israel
there's no such thing as an item with a
hacksaw even from rabbanut
that's not going to be ashram it will
not let us into the country
because there it's it's completely dire
so there's really very little to stand
on it by ways of being mako as
erygoburg can tell you also the star
case certifies many products in urdu
style now it's
baseline you know if it's not khadaj if
it's not yoshon
it's considered not kosher um
so elise is saying that they import
items from america
they're not yoshin and uh kosher but
don't have the
stamp of the rabbanut uh okay so
you have to watch out for that you can
get items there that sort of bypass the
rabbit
which i wasn't really familiar with i
thought anything that goes
into the country has to have the uh
probably some loopholes of
you know loopholes in a government
system
um but but and generally speaking
anything has
even been the issue of it you can assume
as joshua inaudible
it's not the case but anyways but it's
because of these reasons all the
newfound
besides by herman's information the fact
that we really know what's going on
um with all the crafts that's why people
more and more are
turning to start being mapped
and uh and and that really gets to the
next part we're
trying to figure out okay so now that we
decided whether we want to keep yosha no
not want to keep yoshin so how do i
figure out
what is and what isn't the ocean um so
someone i just noticed posted who
maintains to write herman's list today
so it is his granddaughter mrs rascam
she actually worked with him um hand in
hand for many years
um while he was alive doing his guide
and
the guide is is an unbelievable work
it's
it's something that even us in a crashes
agencies who who
you know work through tremendous details
and companies manufacturing it even
makes us cringe
at the amount of detail that goes into
that book because basically the way the
guide is set up
is the following way is that what
they're going to do is they're going to
call the company
and find out and find out what the
expiration date is oh one second we have
to back up for one minute
um let's talk about the the grain
harvest as we mentioned before
once the grains are harvested so when do
they hit the market
and when do they get to the companies
when do they get to the supermarkets
when do they get to my house and the
answer is
we don't really know um we only knew is
we know from the usda
pretty much the approximate data when
the grain started to be harvested so
let's talk about this year
um 2020 which was last year so we know
based on the usd lists we know that the
grains pretty much started being
harvested on august 6
2020 that's when the grains in most
areas in the country started being
harvested
so whatever herman's list did was he
said okay so august 6th
after that it's too hard to put together
information we're going to consider
august 6 as our cutoff date
and therefore we're going to consider
that any we're going to assume that it
takes approximately two weeks for the
grain to be harvested which is
an assumption but it's uh you know it's
a ballpark assumption two weeks are
going to be harvested and let's say
another two weeks or so to hit the
shelves
so we're going to use august 6 as our
cutoff date and say
that any product that is dated past
august 6th
from the from this past year august 6
2020 we're going to assume is khadesh
that's how the guide works now as i
mentioned it's not a perfect science
because
obviously not everything is harvested on
one day um and
it takes time for things to hit the
market but that's how his guide is set
up and it's really
you have to work with something
otherwise you're gonna you there is no
way you can know
every kernel of grain when exactly was
harvested and which product went into it
there's no way to figure that out
so the whole guide fixed is the data the
government gives
for that most of the grains in the
united states were
harvested already it's hard to say most
but that's when
that's when they say that in the large
parts the united states that's when the
farmers are all already harvesting their
grain
what percent i don't know is starting
then are they finishing
starting then starting that starting
then and then it goes straight to
markets that's the date they give so
what they do is then
in the guide is that they're going to go
to companies and every company by law
has to have an expiration date on their
product
and experimentation date is based on
sometimes five months six months eight
months a year
two years after the date of production
how long they estimate this product will
last and still remain fresh
so what they've done is they go around
to the companies and ask them how long
um do you code your dates your products
for how long after production do you
code your products for and what they do
is they say
okay so let's say you you have flower
and you code your product for one year
which is pretty much classic in the
flower industry it's coated for one year
so they're going to say okay so that
means any flower that's dated august 6
2021 or later any product no any let's
just take flour for a second as an
example
flowers dated for one year typically so
they're going to say flower is dated
august 6 2021 or later
that is should be assumed to be khadash
if it's dated august 6 so earlier
then you can assume it's yoshin and
that's how the guide is set up so that's
why
reading through the guide um you know
there's a few things that confuse
everybody is that some companies do
three months five months six months a
year two years three years it's just
it's every company has their own
hashbrowns and how they do it and also
every company has their closeness in how
they date the product do they use
a production date do they use an
expiration date
and to make it more complicated is they
use a regular american date where they
would say let's today is october 28
2020. do they use the european system
where they say today is
28 october 2020 do they use a julian
system
julian's system is where they let's say
january 1st is day one december 31st day
365.
so august 6 for example is 2 18. it's
day 218 of the year 218th day of the
year
so you can look at a product you see
numbers you don't know what you're
looking at
and that's why it becomes a whole
science and learning how to read
product codes on items and that's where
herman's guide comes into the picture
to decipher that but that's why it is a
little bit complicated yeah
i said robert just in advance that if
anybody has questions after reading the
guide you know
that they can some there's some way of
contacting
uh the people who make the list robert
herman but they can also call this our k
and we call this part there's also
yoshin.com there's a
there's a group of people who set up a
website called justin.com
and they also you know they have
whatsapp chat groups and emails and they
also answer questions they take all the
information
from you know pretty much ray herman's
guide and um
and and they have a passion for justin
which is very impressive and they're
happy to answer questions also in
helping people decipher codes you can
whatsapp them pictures
i'm on one of their chats and it's it's
literally non-stop i hope no one takes
offense to that
but it's it's literally non-stop um
people asking questions but it's amazing
because people really are interested in
this
and it's something that people want to
do and want to do right
but hopefully by the time we finish
everyone have a little bit more
education and be able to understand a
little bit better how to accomplish
it without making yourself crazy without
getting a uh a phd and learning how to
read the
expiration code now one thing i will
mention is that if you do call the star
k
sometimes we will give you information
that may be a little different than what
you might find during herman's guide and
the reason for that is the following is
that
um the reason why the cautious agencies
never took on yoshin as
as a project um there's pretty much no
conscious agency that's mock bit on
yoshin
as a as a policy um not in obviously not
outside of very strong maybe i think
qadhafi in england i don't think anyone
in the united states not that i know of
as a matter of policy insists that all
their items they certify need to be
ashamed
um the yoshino if there's if they
certify just on their mac but like our
bakeries in baltimore
we certify them as yahshua and if we
certify just when we enforce yahshua
but otherwise the standard starkey
probably could pick up on the shelf do
not assume it's yahshua unless it says
on the label that it's
on um but the reason true for any almost
any agent
right it's true for any agency and the
reason for that is the following is that
it would take so much effort and energy
on our part
to figure out and keep track and
maintain and enforce
all the products being auctioned it's
literally just too much there's just no
way to practically do it
you know you have you have industrial
bakeries they get in flower shipments
every single day
um there's no way to track that and and
just you know
keep track of what's yours and what's
not justin so we end up pretty much just
telling people to go with whatever dates
and even we ourselves we rely on the
dates from our herman's guide even
though
you know even though it's estimations
and we really probably could drill into
it more but it's just it's just too much
work
to be able to drill in more than that
but at the same time um
our own products that we certify
sometimes we do know more specific dates
and therefore we would sometimes give
information maybe different than the
guide because we would have more
specific information
we do send them information you know
when we have it available
but you know it doesn't always make it
into the guide but that's why sometimes
if you do call us up we will
give you information may be different
and the reason for that is because
sometimes we do have the information the
ou is the same way
i know where a gorilla got the ou who
oversees their yoshon certifications
i mean he's involved in a lot of their
grain companies he also will give
different
dates sometimes that are printed in the
book and that's the reason because he
has different information it's like for
example we happen to know
and like the the general mills which is
obviously one of the largest grain
companies united states
they have many mills around the country
the mill that services the east coast is
located in buffalo
and that mill um they don't bring in
huddersflower
at all we know for a fact um this year
they didn't bring it in until august
26th
i think or something like that august
26th so even though the ocean guide is
going to pretty much
use the year cutoff date from august 6th
as the code
in in our bakeries we have no problem
relying on the august 25th date because
we know specific information
um so that's where you know it can get
both confusing
and and that's why if you call us up we
might give you a different answer
and i'm sure that just adds to the
confusion but at the end of the day
everyone should just do their best
but let's try to cut through some of the
confusion now
and and go through some some dates and
codes
my herman's guide is available online so
rabbi hermann
part of his sack that he had from his
rabbanim and godin that he consulted
with
is not to use the internet and have a
website it's available by email
um if anyone i don't have the email
handy it's available by email um
i think the justin.com can help you get
it um it is very much available
they can email you the guide um here is
a uh
a picture of what the guide looks like
um
the email might be on here let's see um
let's see if i can get it on here
um
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okay but now let's go through some of
the examples in the guide
oh here it is you have questions
here it is it should be right here
somewhere
well this phone number is there there's
phone numbers there
but uh hopefully it will well someone
will post it
i don't have it handy right here where
the exactly sign up for the guide but
um i'll give you some examples of how
this can get a little bit confusing
let's go just pull up a random
date here so let's talk about dairylee
licorice
so it's made in australia okay and i
mentioned i don't wanna i don't know
what goes on in the southern hemisphere
but let's just say over here it has
a um how it has a kurdish coat of
october 1st 2021
one year after packing um so pretty much
what that means is they were able to
figure out that that company
um brings in hadash only in october
and therefore they're going to give a
year cut off date from that one year
later
moving up a little bit let's say cremate
pasta hodder's code for egg noodles is
august 20 20 22
two years after packing because they
figured out that the semolina flour
that's used in
in pasta has a cut-off date of august 20
from this year and therefore they give
two years so the august
the code is 20 august 20 20 22 or
earlier
then um then it's not you could assume
that it's hot that's joshua and it's not
going to be an issue
um but that's pretty much going through
this how it works now as
we said it gets very tedious so there
are other resources out there and i'm
going to show you two other resources
out there
let me ask you a question is it better
to buy a lot of product before
uh becomes an issue or just use the
guide as you go through the year or a
combination of both
um so i'll tell you like this is that um
it's a double-edged sword and there's
somewhere about who have reservations
about telling people to stock up on
yesterday because let's say if you're
going to stock up
on flour and i know where you're driving
at roy goldberg still going to stock up
on flour or other grain products and
store them in your house you might end
up having an infestation issue
um which i think we've discussed in the
past here at the star k
um so that's why it's something that if
you are gonna stock up um i would
recommend
you know storing things properly um
which we don't have to get into all the
details of that right now but
i'll just tell you personally from my
experience a number of years ago
when i decided to explore the option of
keeping russia and see how complicated
it was now
we do live on the east coast and
baltimore other parts of the country
might not be as easy but
in general um in many parts of the
united states for sure on the east coast
um that you really can find many items
that are uh are you all year round now
it
also depends on what you're looking for
so you know if you're going to insist on
having your cheerios
it's because it's the breakfast of
champions maybe that was wheaties but
it's the breakfast of champions then
yeah and eventually that might run out
so that's something i consider stacking
up on but if you're open to the option
of
eating rice krispies for breakfast or if
you're gonna be macbook on malt you're
gonna
go to kicks or rice chex or something
like that then then you have plenty of
options available
you know nobody i don't think anybody i
know i never heard of anyone that
starved to death because they decided to
make
um i hope i hope i'm not wrong about
that but that's pretty much my
impression
so you know stocking up you can do but
you know
you have to be careful if you do it that
way and pretty much there's many items
that you could find
i think all over the country um and i'll
give you a good example
um a good example um let's go to where i
go over how do i get back to the
presentation field here
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how do i get back to the other other
things that we that i have
over here oh here we go i got it i got
it okay um
okay so let's discuss the two grain
harvests for a second because this can
help guide people a little bit in trying
to figure out what items you have to
make but on whatever you don't have to
map it on
first of all um what does college apply
to we didn't even answer that question
yet so it applies to
only the five grains wheat oat barley
rye and spelt does not apply to rice
does not apply to quinoa it does not
apply to
amaranth does not apply to any tapioca
wow it is not a wheat
um it does not apply to many many other
types of what they call grains
um even though they're called grains so
there's plenty to eat that's for sure
now also in the united states rye
and spelt spelt is the you know is the
new super one of the new superfoods
a lot of people eat spelt spelt and rye
are exclusively winter crops
and therefore there is no hudders
concern at all with rye or spelt
now rye bread many times is a mixture so
you have to know but
if you're buying rye flour or spelt i
know there's a lot of people that only
eat items made with spelled spelt is
never a hudders concern
in north america so if you're going that
route then
also you have plenty to eat you don't
have to worry about it you don't have to
stock up you could buy a spelled flower
all year round without any concern
um but i put up a post knowing about the
two harvests there's differences between
what they call winter wheat and spring
wheat um as we mentioned winter wheat is
planted in the fall it's harvested in
july it's always yoshin
now winter wheat is what's known as low
gluten
now gluten as you know is the what they
call i guess you want to be a very
layman's terms gluten is like glue it's
very sticky and if you have an item
like bread where you want it to be like
soft and mushy
and smooth uh that kind of a texture you
don't want to use a low gluten flour you
want to use what's known as a high
gluten flour
high gluten flour would be bread flour
so spring wheat
is what's known as high gluten flour
bread flour is going to be spring wheat
and those would have a hottest concern
but if you're making cake
and you're making cake flour or things
like that using cake flour
those items would not have a hardest
concern either now for consumers this
might sound like chinese because you've
never gone to the supermarket and seen
anything that is called cake flour
and the reason for that is the following
is that the most you're going to see on
the
stores in the supermarket are you going
to find whole wheat flour which is
regular wheat flour
you're going to find bread flour and
you're going to find what's called
all-purpose flour
all-purpose flour they look at us lay
people who know nothing about baking and
they say we'll give you flour that's
pretty much just a mixture or whatever
else you want to throw in there
because you people don't know what
you're doing anyway and they call that
all-purpose flour it's a mixture of
different flours
if you go to a bakery in any industrial
commercial bakery
you will not find i mean you might find
a little bit of all-purpose flour there
but they're very
specific on what they use because their
recipes are very exact so they're going
to use
high gluten flour for bread they're
going to use what's called cake flour
for cake
and they're going to use pastry flour to
make pastries and they're going to use
you know very specific and what they
need so
um so why don't they make cake flour for
consumers
because it's not necessarily going to
come out good unless you really know
what you're doing you have to use the
right ingredients in cake flour because
sometimes it's too low gluten unless you
know how to manage it properly it's not
going to come out good so they do is
they make
all-purpose flour with a little bit of
this a little bit of that some high
gluten some low gluten they throw it
together so
you'll consistently say come out and say
that i love
gold medal all-purpose flour because it
always makes good cakes and that's what
they want that's their purpose in doing
it that way they may give you a flower
that almost that you can't fail with it
and bakeries they give they want to use
something more exact but in consumers
they um they they give you a little bit
of mix of everything so it's very well
known
that that um very well known now i'm
gonna put up here
is how do i get back there again you
have to just close this one first
you want your list yeah
okay i got it now this no
oh that's not that this by the way just
so you know this is a from the
justin.com
they have a a you can make that drop
bigger so you can see it
they have a tool there that you can use
to calculate dates and julian dates
which makes it
makes life easier because uh you know if
you don't have a smartphone for sure
you're looking at a product you don't
know how to read the code
they have a lot of helpful information
in learning how to read codes for items
that
are not necessarily on the lists um
let's go to the starkey
quick guide okay one second i'll give
some exam there we go
so the history of this guide is very
simple is that when i looked i was
exploring the option of keeping us on so
i typically don't always do the shopping
in my house
and i would send my wife to the store so
what happens then is especially a couple
years ago is that you'd send
your wife or anyone to the store with
ray herman's full you know
50 60 page guide and say here go
shopping and make sure everything is
yoshin
and you're gonna come home and all she
brought was rice and water
because she was too nervous to buy
anything else because you can't figure
out what's going on in the guide
um and it gets very tedious so i pretty
much started i made
i went through the shopping list every
week and i said okay these items and i
deciphered
for this item you're buying flour makes
you look for this code for this macaroni
look for this code
and that sort of evolved into this list
what we call our quick
reference guide which is based on our
herman's information so
it's fun to point out to the listeners
that this is um you know
this one of the reasons that you would
make this list is because we you know
you're
one of the star k experts in yoshin um
by the way how much does this list cost
how much does dark a charge for
for access to this it's charges as much
as your you pay for print
put paper in your printer right okay
um um herman's guy is also available i
think by email they don't charge for if
you want a hard copy they charge for it
um but this is pretty much just common
products you know again if your item is
not listed here it's because my wife
doesn't buy it
um but no otherwise it's pretty much the
most commonly sold items that we find in
the supermarkets it's not exhaust as
exhaustive as ray herman's list
but just deciphering the exact codes
that you're going to see
on these items so if there's an item
that is sold in the supermarket that
we might not have right here might not
have information about so i i
didn't put it on the list because i'm
just going to skip it and i'm just going
to buy a different brand or something
like that
so let's go to the flower page because
we were talking about flower
so all-purpose flour if you're looking
over here you see gold metal which is a
very very popular brand of all-purpose
flour
it's all yoshin from the kc mill which
is a kansas city mill which is
at least on the east coast i'm sure in
the midwest that's one of their main
mills that produces the gold metal
all-purpose flour
so we have information from the ou as is
well known is that the gold
metal all-purpose flour only uses winter
wheat in their mix
um now there's many types of winter
wheat which we're not even going to get
into there's soft red wheat there's
hardwood we just
the amount and varieties of wheats is
endless
what they do is they blend different
winter wheats together to create the
gold metal all-purpose flour
so if you are making and
then you can always buy the gold metal
all-purpose flour from the kc mill so it
says in the code
it will say kc in the code and then it
doesn't really matter what the data is
if it says kc on top of the bag printed
in the code
you know that it's yoshin now it is not
necessarily the case with
all other brands of all-purpose flour
it's pretty much exclusive to gold metal
so that's just an example where again
you know you don't need to stack up an
all-purpose flour because gold metal
flour i think is available
probably in every single supermarket in
the entire country
so you know if you want to use
all-purpose flour i would not recommend
stocking up on it i would just buy it
fresh whenever you need it from
whichever supermarket you you are and
around the country and they should have
um this flower there um if you don't i
just want to mention i put up the link
for this list they can see it on the uh
on the chat you can see the link for
this where you can download it and also
you know
an idea that i'm thinking while you're
talking is that the ocean doesn't have
to be
you know all or nothing i keep it or i
don't keep it you know if it's
if it's easy enough and doesn't drive me
crazy so then
you know i'll do it so if the gold medal
like i said purpose
is very available so i'll just i'll just
buy that one if that's the
where i am when i go out to eat you know
when i buy cookies
i know people that i know people that
only kosher in the home you know it's
funny people like that okay
but okay but this is right as you
explained you know you can there there's
people strict people not strict so right
it's not it's not all or nothing it's
right it doesn't have to be all or
nothing
it's a personal decision and and we are
not here to
to to say what you should do you know
everyone has to decide for themselves in
consultation with their abundant
you know what they themselves should be
doing as a family and we're here just to
facilitate if you choose to imagine
about it then this
is um this is you know that we're trying
to make it help easier for you as well
as all the other resources that we
mentioned
um again it is becoming much more
popular um
all over the country i will mention
specifically i always give a shout out
to chicago because i know when when
yeshua salavic and his brother ran
salvation came to united states
and and ramaisha who was actually
related to them also rameshwar
was well known to tell people that it
was not mahwan yoshin but i happen to
know for some inside information
that after pesach every year he would
stock up personally on oats
um and and they tried their best the
truth is is that in those days
you know there wasn't much khadas on the
market at all anyway
but there's a famous story with rashford
salvation that somebody
um somebody mentioned him that products
in the united states are not necessarily
yoshon and and he was like he was like
flabbergasted like
why they don't keep kosher in america
you know okay now now you have to take
something that a salvation says with a
little bit of a grain of salt sometimes
um but
but uh but the truth is is that is that
you know the his talmidim
and and urban salvation in chicago
particularly um
are super macbook on even till today
and it's interesting because of all the
quote-unquote
humras and kashus that people are mocked
but about those past israel this hall of
israel
um bishop israel bishop for sardim those
are all
their abandons and ixers their abundance
which a lot of
built-in reasons why you know ashkenazim
anyways they're not necessarily mocked
but in any of them
you know khadas is something that
actually is
is the raisa and you know it sounds
funny but there's a lot there's a whole
this
there's people ask is it more important
to him up in the holy stronghold
i'd have a hard time explaining to
someone why it makes more sense to make
of israel
because yoshino is certainly more humble
than hall of israel
but the veldt has not necessarily taken
it that way so
if you have someone that is making a
hole of israel and i'm positive
but not that sounds normal but someone
who's macbook
roller position that sounds crazy the
reality is it's the opposite
now i'm not pushing anybody one way or
another on this issue
um you know i happen to be involved in
the publisher productions for the star k
as well
but but you know and the starkey
obviously is actually macbeth on
everything we certified being halloween
although not yoshin so i guess
we're from the strange people out there
but i once
asked her behind him in that question
why we sarkay
products are all clever so but not josh
and he said that's what
aaron uh cutler told him to do because
that was the minute
that was the customer right right the
minix seems not to have been to be
mockbit on on
israel on yoshin i'm sorry and and that
has carried over so again it's a
personal choice
it's halloween straw certainly is more
popular um to be making
and uh i don't know about pastor i'm not
sure of that one but
certainly there is a question here
nancy's asking what about oats oats
can that be uh yeah sure
wheat barley and oats um could be
college united states spelt and rye not
um so so uh you have to check but again
i mean i guess it depends how fast the
turnover time turnover rate is in your
local supermarkets oats could turn over
at some point but
again you know you want to stock up on
oatmeal just make sure you store it
properly
as you see simple question about
multi-grain cheerios are they yoshino
specific so again they have a date code
for that and any item that has mult
different grains now what they do is
they go with the earliest ones so
oats usually become hardest earlier than
anything else so generally the guys
on your list is it on your list um
i mean um yeah we're actually on the
serial page right here so if you look on
the serial page
um where is it i mean
look look on look if you look on let's
look on malto meal for a minute
whoever buys multi-meal cereals right
well let's
just give us an example just each
service different amount of time from
packing the expiration
use the list below and then it goes like
this if it contains only oats
use july 24th if it contains wheat only
use yoshon if it contains barley use
that date now if contains all of them
you're gonna have to go with the
earliest date of july 24th
okay but the cheerios is made by general
mills right
sure mario's is made by general mills
yeah
um september 1st is that right oh yeah
yeah so i don't do i have updated i
don't think i have updated information
still on cheerios here yet
um let's see
um
but you would have to go you'd have to
go with early estate now um you have to
go with early state i don't have that
information on here
exactly one specifically true is i mean
i would go with i would go with
after september 1st unless you have
information maybe there's updated
information in the guide i actually
eschato any mascara have not looked um
but i
i would look in the herman's guide and
see if there's an updated date on
cheerios
um in there specifically but otherwise i
would go with the regular date of oats
which this
this for this particular yesterday
season was the cutoff date for which was
july 24th for wheat was august 6 and for
barley was
i think august 12 or something like that
but pretty much
the way this guide is set up and this is
the most important thing i think people
should realize from the guide
is that the dates in the guide are the
latest cutoff times
that something would still be ocean so
whatever code
numbers date are listed in this guide of
a herman's guide
it's those or a lower number or earlier
date are considered
junction if it's a higher number or a
later date it would not be considered
junction that's really
the entire philosophy and this is where
everyone graduates with their phd
and understanding the guide is that is
how the guide works is that whatever
code or date so for example if you want
to look at um on the same page that we
have the golden bowl wonton wraps on the
right column
it says code 062008
so forget about deciphering that for a
minute if it's that number or
lower then it's going to be yoshin okay
that's based on a julian date okay it's
not important right now how to decipher
it
but if it's that number or lower then
it's going to be ocean
um two lines also wonton food company
eight zero six two zero um and there's
also a bunch of letters there in the
code which are relevant look at those
numbers if
those numbers are lower then that's
going to be ocean and that's pretty much
how these guides work um and
now that everyone has that information
they can graduate and we'll send you
your diploma in the mail
um cap and gown are optional
okay um casio says that multi-grain
cheerios that date code is best diffused
by 22 september
2021. oh thank you mrs eshkol who is
actually the one who runs yashan.com so
we appreciate that information
is that is that is that a year how does
that work is that a year
from expiration code expiration code
based on however much time they give
from the production date but
the the amount of time they give is not
necessarily as relevant to
consumers the main thing is is that
that's the code it's
22 september 2021 or earlier data that
is going to be
yoshin um you know i'll give you another
example because i happen to
enjoy life cereal everyone likes a
little bit of lachaim
um so life cereal is right now the code
is july 18 2021.
so you want to get lifesteal as dated
from july 18 2021 or
earlier that would be yoshin if it's
later then it would be assumed not to be
asha now
we do get a lot of questions and that is
let's say it's july 19th
2021. let's say i find cheerios that's
23 of september 2021. so the answer to
that question is really
is that you know we're gonna get into
trouble for saying this but it probably
doesn't matter
because the as we mentioned the system
is really based on estimations it's not
exact
however if you want to be 100
sure then go with the date that's posted
right but between me you the doorknob
and the people watching this
um you know la myse if it's one day off
and probably in many cases even
up to a week or two weeks it many times
probably won't matter
but again we can't take responsibility
for saying that publicly even though we
just did
um but we're not gonna take
responsibility to guarantee you that
it's not gonna be ashamed
we'll just deny it well tonight well the
night we said it yeah you know
you know with the with yeah we could
deny anything even if it's recorded
that's the way that's the way it works
you know
okay the question is is the date start
stated up to
and including or is it no good from that
day i'm doing up to and
that is the last good day and you can
assume it's considered 100
yoshi okay we had a question about
licorice um
so literacy united states is all pretty
much made from winter wheat
um you know all the all the twizzlers
and things like that are made from
winter wheat
so it's not really much of an issue from
different parts of the world
you know could be different i have a
licorice company it's not necessarily so
though
oh really okay i only eat twizzlers i'm
sorry
but you can figure it out by by the way
figure it out
yeah you can figure it out now something
i know a lot of people are asking about
is i get this question a lot someone
called up i wanted to know if scotch is
the onsen because scotch as we know is
made from barley
okay if anyone doesn't get i guess we
drink too much already so anyways um
scotch is usually aged
and you know if it's not aged it was
just made out of the straight out of the
barrel then
you probably don't want to drink it as
the case with most types of schnapps
um so uh you know a 12 year old gun
livid is is definitely ocean
no question about it the 30 year old is
is even more yoshin
and is a lot more expensive too but um
the thing is you're saying you're the
joke with a straight face so we're not
uh
oh okay i'm sorry i should laugh but
anyways yeah um pretty much all schnapps
is because you can consume all schnapps
is going to be ushering
because it's you know it's almost
they're all aged you know unless you're
paying unless you're picking it up in a
you know i don't want to whatever unless
you're you're paying like a dollar a
bottle or something like that if you're
paying any
money for any reputable schnapps
bourbons or anything like that
they're pretty much all going to be
ashamed of kosher that's not to say that
they're all good
no no i'm not saying they're all kosher
not at all right i mean bourbon bourbon
especially
you know bourbon especially because
bourbon is made from corn and rye
neither one of those have any hardest
concerns so
um if you're not sure you can always buy
bourbon but
but anyways but scotch i i have not seen
any scotch ever that is is of course
concern
beer however beer would be a college
concern beer as we mentioned is made
with barley malt
but barley malt does not seem to become
an issue you know until sometime in
november or december
at sam adams um which we certify they
don't even bring in
the new the hadas barley malt until uh
usually around thanksgiving time
and then they start making the beer from
it so you know you have time
um to stock up on beer you know if
you're planning
zachar you know some point in after
january february and you want to stack
up on beer now then uh
you know by all means but uh anyways
beer would be an issue
um we discussed flour already um
people ask a lot about crackers and
pretzels because as we mentioned earlier
crackers and pretzels generally are made
from low gluten flour because they have
to be crunchy and not
soft so the assumption i heard a lot of
people have this assumption that
anything that's a hard consistency like
mozza crackers pretzels
must be winter wheat it's not
necessarily the case we've seen it in
many situations i had a company that
made hard pretzels and was using spring
wheat
and i asked them why using spring wheat
wouldn't that make more sense to use
winter wheat and they looked at me like
no i mean like i know they didn't know
what i was talking about um
but so you know generally speaking you
know even in items that
you know people that would think should
be made from exclusively winter wheat
you really should check if you're being
ashamed now matzah i have yet to see a
matzah that is not made from yoshin
um a flower and and that's because the
companies who make matza know that
everyone's eating it
on the first day of pesach pretty much i
think that's the minute in class foreign
which is going to be before the first
day khalamoye pesach i think usually the
calendar falls out that way or however
can correct me if i'm wrong
and uh and so matzah i i don't know of a
single mata company
you know machine or hand that make sure
that the
flower is always yoshin and it's not
necessarily so easy
um they sometimes have to really try and
put an effort to do it but they all
pretty much make sure mata is going to
be unsung i want to
mention that we're going to be winding
down
uh because uh we come to the end of our
webinar if anybody has any questions
they can
uh chat with us if anybody wants to um
join us here on the screen we have the
ability to if you have a
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can bring you in
uh live like that so we'd be happy to
have you join us ask your question
what about whole wheat matzah paris
wants to know
also also so yeah okay
what's the most common question we get
about uh about yoshin
um what's the most common question we
get about yoshin is this product russian
or not
you know very simple question and and
sometimes it's not necessarily the
answer
um people want to know about restaurants
starkey restaurants other restaurants
can we figure it out with you
or not um you know this is also
information that's it's
you know it's like really a case-by-case
basis
um that's uh you know people want to
know
they're going to hasn't certified when
you're caters is all the food gonna be
ashamed and the answer is really you got
to speak to them
at the event unless you know we're sort
of taking unless they
they're asking it to be certified as
yoshan um it's not necessarily assumed
than anything that
really any extra certifies is going to
be ashamed
right um and i think that we once we
mentioned in our um
we've had videos about travel back in
the pre-corona days
we had webinars about traveling a lot to
do on planes and
and on hotels and things and one of the
things we pointed out is that you have
israelis coming
to the united states and they they
assume
in order to throw everything with yoshin
so they go on the plane
uh back to air to throw and they hear
that it has a very good
uh you know they can eat it everything
but they don't realize that it's it's
often
not the ocean right and it doesn't
there's no claim
made of the ocean but somehow when they
get on the plane and they're going to
have to throw they
they sort of they they're coming from
access yeah we have people complaining
to us and uh
listen we understand their complaint but
they have to
get used to the fact that outside of
eritrea it's not everything is joshua
i once uh i once discussed this with one
of the rabbana mashiram and he said well
what did they do when they went to
restaurants or they bought products in
the united states when they were here
they didn't make that assumption
people don't say they realize that it's
funny how they wake up and after
traveling i know someone was traveling
for for years for decades and and woke
up and said hey wait a second
and hot starts like how could that be
right and and the answer is yeah that's
that's that's the reality
and it's something that people don't
realize on the plane you usually
get uh what we call a hemisphere you
know and you sort of assume
that that's yoshin but that's not at all
the case no i don't know
are not necessarily in fact the the
hasidis
world now and when you say here and i
just saw i mean two different things and
in hudson in america you mean usually
you don't necessarily mean you shall be
or literally could be anything
but let's talk about in america
um at all um they're very much but
obviously in hall of israel and position
things like that but yoshin is not
necessarily something that there might
be on
now it could be by default many of their
items in the high mixer world are
yonshin because the companies want it
that way like for example meal mart
i'm certified by the near banter all
their stuff
pretty this year i think every year it's
always been like that all there is
anything that they
make is they're they're they made yoshin
um
that's just it just happens to be that
way um i believe salmans might be the
same way
but take a company like kamach right
kamak flower right
the camera flower the the the main
company
that everyone associates with being as a
hamish uh grain company
their their items do not always stay
ocean
at all we actually just issued an update
a few days ago
um we're telling you the cut-off dates
and a lot of their products is not
necessarily going to stay awesome the
whole year
so so you really have to if you're again
if you're going to be making yourself
these are items that you really have to
check for and that's where the guides
come in
right and i'm going to be getting back
to the planes for a second the reason
that i was exp that was explained to me
why not everything there is yoshi
because
the companies that put it together not
making every single item there
they may be making the meat but the
rolls or the cake
they're buying from suppliers it's just
not always available to buy
and meet it has to also meet the
standards of the airline
airline a certain you know size and
consistency whatever the airline has
certain requirements
and it's just not available to for for
yoshin so they don't make it
they don't and it's not yoshi okay let's
finish up these last
few questions here really tender um
uh gluten-free oat flour
that again so it has oat flour
gluten-free flour could mean one of many
things it could have oat flour and it
could just be tapioca and rice
if it's just tapioca and rice it's not
going to be a yoshino issue if it has
oat flour in it then it wouldn't need to
be you would have to check the code
i think it's not on the list but okay
yeah not everything's on the list you
know
you know there's there's millions of
products that are on the shelves if we
put millions
or if a herman's guide put millions of
items in the in their book you know what
the
size of that book would look like okay
uh
do candy bars have the same rules how to
figure out the ocean
yes for example if they have wafers yeah
right
okay if you know that meaning if you
know again how long
they code it to be expire so then you
can figure out let's just take it was
a wafer so you'd go with wheat so you
know if you could figure out that it was
a year after
the year the expiration code is a year
after manufacturing so it would be
august 6 2021 or earlier
it could be eight months now someone had
asked also
um someone actually was very involved in
the ocean asked
wants to know about wheat beer because
wheat beer is becoming very popular it's
not just barley it contains wheat if
there's a way to figure it out
and the answer is no the reason is
because every brewery
a lot of beer companies we know this
from the hummus issue we dealt with with
the beers
is that every beer company is a
different amount of time they give some
do five months six months eight months
and without knowing that specific you
know how long they code their beers for
it's very hard to figure out but you
would go with the regular cut-off date
for wheat
if you could figure that out and uh
next question is there many companies
have not for pace of matzo
so you said that everything all the
monsters yoshin what about the ones that
say
commit something uh they are
awesome they're also yoshin they usually
they're really using the same flower the
only difference is usually they're not
cleaning off the equipment so
they're they're not that they should be
assumed to be humid
um but that you know they pretty much
produce them at the same time as the
pesachmatsu
this is going to put up a whatsapp uh
group over here yeah that's that's one
of the ocean groups yeah you can join
that with all your questions
uh mrs asking what about vodka some is
wheat
some is not well so again will be the
same thing i mean vodka usually is aged
also
um at some point more than a year so
when they come okay
uh we reached our uh uh
our uh limit for the webinar and uh when
it's getting it's getting all the topics
getting old okay
yeah i gotta end off with some joke we
started off and then with the same joke
okay
i want to remind everyone that first of
all thank you for joining
um i think robert tendler you'll agree
did an excellent job on this
on this topic and really explained it
very well ashikaya thank you
um and we uh we will
we recorded this hopefully we will put
it up in
a couple days on our website at star-k
dot o-r-g
slash video videos um and um
we want to welcome you back hopefully in
a month
uh the end of november the last
wednesday which is the day before
thanksgiving i don't know what the topic
will be maybe whether or not you can
have turkey at your thanksgiving dinner
which is a
question on its own um but um
thank you again for joining and
everybody take care and be safe be well
bye-bye