09-08-2014 - Rabbi Ayson Englander Reviews Pasul "Unfit" Mezuzos

we're here in the starer offices in Baltimore I'm Rabbi T Goldberg and to my left is Rabbi as Englander uh Englander is joining us for this special webinar on Zas on uh misus uh only there is a scahill and like at Yesa t and a certified Stark suur a certified suer by star scribe and has many years of experience in in h in that area and since it is the month of of el the month before R where it says in the in the it says in the Holy books that one should check their misas if it's the right time fill this is a good month to get things in order so we thought we would uh present you with a a webinar on that topic um a few technical disclaimers over here one is that there isn't any phone access here because if you can't see what we're showing it really doesn't uh have a point so there's no phone availability it was difficult to arrange that um uh and to see the video that we're going to show show you do need access to a to YouTube uh so some people have that blocked so make sure to unblock that temporarily uh because our system pulls in the video from from YouTube uh we are still with we're hoping that you'll chat with us on bottom left of your screen you can see a chat box and if you have any questions or you want to follow up something hoping that you will uh join with us if I could just get a couple people to to resp respond that they do hear us because at once I know that at least a couple people will here I know everybody else will he so let's see if we have okay David says lab and clear that's enough once we know one person is is listening gets it then then uh if you're not hearing then it's uh problem is on your end okay great thanks very much um So the plan today is I'll explain to you it's a little different than previous webinars that you might have joined us for r gave a webinar to rabbis rabim about safas and he we scanned in a number of muas that had problems with him they were fle and he described the issues what the problem was why they were in that pile of p m uh so the webinar was originally recorded for Yeshiva students post Yeshiva students rabbis and so the language lingo that we used although normally we try to translate everything into English it did assume aiva training which is what I wrote on the email so that you should be aware of that um uh that's that's a b is that because there's a lot of technicalities that we here scanning and copying and recording and playing and all those things we are we are um uh hoping praying that the technology continues to work well and that you'll be able to uh gain from this session uh that the plan is to play rabah haman's video in parts and then if there are questions um Rabbi Englander will be happy to take them uh if he has any comments we'll stop so from time to time we're going to stop during the video and after reach muza and and discuss it or see what else there is to uh to bring out okay so without further Ado uh let's get started here we go we're going to continue with the uh webinar on SAS with rhan we're going to go through some particular muas here can make a okay [Music] so yes over here there was a blot of ink that fell on this alive a it's not really noticeable that it's an Al if you look carefully you can see that the the blood of ink is not as black as the olive is if you look carefully you can actually see that it is darker so the question is can you see that it's an Al can you not see it's an Al so there's a question for a tin that can you see the AL not see out so if he says that if we are pretty sure that we that you can't see it unless you know it's supposed to be an Al then we don't have to ask a t it wouldn't even help to ask a t if you would say that we could if it looks like that um either attendant was asked and he said it's no good or we ourselves it was no good it's not so easy to see it from a screen as it is when you see it in real life but um evidently this was uh we got this from uh rejected mza so evidently they felt that there was it was possible okay so let's back to this mza here we have we have that actual muza in a little um bit better quality um to you can see RAB angland you see the uh the uh the olive is covered I mean how does that happen why why why is there a blotch of ink over the uh over that Olive it could be any number of things first of all um it could be just simply when the person when the Sofer was uh carrying his feather his his quill from one place to another a drop of itat fell off that that does happen uh secondly it could have happened from an outside place it could be that that isn't even a blotch of ink so much as a mark from something else like it could be uh things get on uh it could be some other liquid that could that could have happened the the post gim the the discussed things like Wax getting on there because people used to used to do it sometimes by candl light so what happens when wax covers letters told a story to the rabbis about a Milla that was found in Europe um in the ganza and put away with the Sheamus as a as a pule Milla so he told the story that it was covered with wax and they first wondered why would Milla be all be all covered with wax and he answered what what you said because they used to be by by candle light so it was all it was all uh it was that's how they wax dripped on on the on the Milla so it could have theoretically been all sorts of possibilities most obvious is that it that goes with in now it happens to be hierarchically that there's a difference between whether it is covered with a different substance such as wax as opposed to ink ink it's considered like it becomes part and partiel of the letter and therefore that may render it puzle which a wax wouldn't because a wax is considered it's not part of the letter it just covers the letter so you may not be able to read it but if you scratch it away and now it becomes reible uh you know it can be then then eoser as opposed to Ink you can't just scratch away so for example let me just explain that point let's say the ALF is not visible and you cannot tell if you would take it to a child like R hanman said the child would not recognize it as n now is there a way to save this mza so you say well why not all I need to do is take a little pen knife scratch away enough of that Mark until I can recognize the AL again sounds reasonable no you're not writing doesn't work the answer is because that's something called toos toos means that you cannot create a letter through scratching away or through erasing you have to proactively write the letter so therefore if you don't have what is considered Hally viable Alf there and now you scratch away the ink that has wounded and now you remain with an ol afterwards you end up with an Al that is not right so ra also discussed the uh the question of well so maybe just erase the whole Olive and then rewrite it we could do that we'd save a lot of muas right but you can't do that either because the in and muas is that it must be written from beginning to end from first letter to the last strictly in order and therefore um if you have a problem like this which is a partial way into the M or should I say a long way from the end of the muza and now you've written the rest of the muza it's you cannot do it out of order this is like as if if this Al is not Gooser as it is it comes out that I have the equivalent of missing letter right and then it comes out that you would be creating that letter out of order which is no good did say that this would be a question for a tin sh which means the question for a child um because we we know that it's supposed to be an olive so we're you know we're all knowledgeable all about that um but the child just is just looking at the at the at whether or not it looks like an Al to him or not what letter does it look like and said apparently the child that they asked if this s for said that this was not not an Al and therefore they put it away as a pule m is there a question here about this [Music] um says if it was ink that fellon it doesn't that simply make the letter P because the different parts of the letter Al are connected when they should be separate the answer is yes you're correct about that that um if well you see as R pointed out the the question really is is how recognizable it is so if something happen in this case let's assume that that blotch was actually ink so now if the Tino can recognize it as a letter as an Alf so even though that you can recog even though that you could say that the ink has now connected parts of the letter but it if if it can be recognizable by the Tino anyway therefore it would be kosher despite the fact of the so depends how it depends how dark the ink yes it very much depends on on the the compress of the ink yes okay good okay let's go to the next one [Music] this one is it the same one let me just make a bigger May the okay so okay so this VI over here now this there's a question does it look like a y or does it not look like a y so the um it's not doesn't have a it certainly doesn't have the which is on the left side over here it doesn't seem that it has that and it doesn't look like I don't know what it looks like it just doesn't have any designation what it is so that was one reason why was P now I while I'm looking at I see another reason why it's p cuz over here we have this n now in a n the the neck of the of this upside down V this should out of the middle like it does in um see you got another one over here here comes out from the middle now if it comes out from the right side um the it comes out on the Right comes on the left side it's a question of a different ice because it may be like the which are and then that's a different ice and once a different I there's no way to fix it and therefore it would it would be a problem now of course from over here it's not so easy to see exactly but looks like from to me it looks like it would be possible okay so let's take a look at that that behind we're discussing a little better uh quality over here okay which line it is right right right down here this one here this last yud of V so there like a just a blotch of ink sort of he was he was bothered it doesn't have the right it's a very minute you can see how minute it is um this little this little yud right here has the proper form on on on the right side and the left side this is just a little just a little bit out of out of sync and that's why he was saying that it it might that that's why it's possible the other problem was this noon here right this noon here this is want discuss that a little bit more let me discuss the good from okay um this this is something which is extremely common uh issue and um anyone who is looking at a mza one of the first things that they should look at is the yud the yud in the in the mza and see the quality of how the yud are written because often you can tell a decent Sofer from a nonent Sofer from the way he forms his yud a yud is supposed to be first it has the body it comes down to the right as foot there on the right that's the major form of you the M says that there has to be what refers to as a focus which means that on the left hand side bottom corner there is supposed to be a very small but noticeable protrusion like a little point that comes down from the body of the Y uh it is it's a whole discussion it's based on a g in in excuse meas and the it's a question how to understand that GAR but without going into great detail suffice it to say that the gamar says that a yud without an Okat is not koser oat is like a protrusion protrusion like a little like a stem right St on the fruit right right right exactly so Rashi over there says that it's referring to the right hand side that foot that comes out over there in to says that's not that's ridiculous because without that of course it's possible it doesn't look like you good it's just a blob of ink of course it's not Kosher you don't need the gar to tell you that because it's obvious it's not a good so therefore says that it's referring to the left hand side that the left hand side has to have this little protrusion and if not that's possible now is clear that that's possible it's just is it referring to the right hand side like Rashi or is it referring to the left hand side like now a lot of s in you know earlier years the last few hundred years a lot of sing were not careful with that and the Mish is very emphatic about this the Mr says in numerous places says that he went through the Su like like does and he went through he so to speak scoreboard or canvas all the weon him and he says the majority of learn that like and thereby it comes out that without that little leftand small little protrusion on the left it is possible and therefore the mishura dees the practice that some people aren't careful with that he says according to most Moston him that is possible and he he's very emphatic about this and uh a lot of problems with older that I work with Tor are not very careful with this sometimes and according to they're according to most posting but that you can fix in the Torah you can fix it lot a lot ofs very hard that happens how many yous are there in the safe of Torah there is one good thing about this and that is that although we mentioned a few minutes ago that you cannot fix a mauza out of order but there is one legal loophole on that and that is that if the letter is in the form of that letter even though it's hierarchically inproper sometimes you can fix it if it's a minor repair one of the examples of that himself says is this if it is missing that little leftand protrusion that little left hand uh line right then if that's the only thing that's missing it's considered like the yud still is written and it is in order and you can add that little line I do that all the time but here it's missing here it's just like a particular instance in this particular instance you can't even tell that it's a yud it's just a blob it's not formed at all or whatever the form is it's lacking the form of the yud and therefore that's not let me take some of these let me take some of these let's take some of the questions um M has another odd looking VI four words earlier by can you zoom in lar show us view and clear okay we can do that let me let me try oops what did I do where did we go okay we want this okay fine he wants to see let's go back okay let see if we can do to see this better oops he wants to look at this at this U over here y to see if this is it's hard to tell I think can you tell whether or not it's it does look like a a blob but you need you need really to look at the actual mza to uh to see that this certainly doesn't look like this one which this looks okay right this one right here I'm pointing to the the looks fine this one looks like a problem but you probably have to actually see it but you're right it does y is right that it's definitely worthy of sometimes that and this is you have to get the feel for this sometimes a letter is close enough that it has enough of a form of that letter that it would be considered like it has the form but the question is will the child recognize it as the proper letter so then it becomes what they call a sh child's question you ask the child and the child determines whether it is or is not that correct letter sometimes as in the case of the yud in the May it is lacking so much of the form of the letter that even if the child would somehow recognize it we see that it's lacking the it doesn't help so often you have to get the feel I myself have asked right behind him inous occas when I have a question I would go over to him and say is this a shic or is it bule already and reab hman asked Simon you know where is it holding is it too far is it is it gone or is it still possible that I can ask a child and he could say that theoretically if he recognizes it correctly and it will be kosher the other the other thing behind one point that was this uh backwards n which looks like an S over here um that also is a reason to make it puzzle let's go to the next uh the next part we'll go back to the video now here okay all right so over here the um this word supposed to be now for some reason they got connected the DS and the bay it could look like a me that um and this V also is suspicious because it could look like a so it looks like a that's sh ten but the this this if it's a 10 looks like a noise there's no there's no way to to fix it because if you want to fix it you'd have to raise from here till the end and and sometimes the rest of it and there it is he can't erase this so therefore there's no way so became possible as a matter of fact the CER evidently realized that there was a problem when he was looking over this line and he didn't write further that's why there's nothing else to this because there was no now if he wouldn't have written he could have erased all this until over here until the made the B longer and then Ro over here but on okay let's take a look at this one discussing um so he's talking about this this problem down here this is a base and a doll supposed to be but it's so close together and may be touching it looks like a that was that was his question right and then he said that the the V here it's supposed to be a v but it's short so it looks like AUD he said that would be a for for a child to ask him what that looks like right whenever you have a uh a letter which is questionable is it is it in this case for example is it a y just a little bit too long or is it a V and a little bit too short right so that's a classic case of a you ask a child and the supposedly the unbiased untainted opinion of the child who doesn't know what it's supposed to say uh is the one that actually decides what letter it really is so then said but if you if you um he would he could since the m has to been an order he could have erased all this rest of the line and then and this and then written it it all again in order but he can't do that because he wrote the word Hashem here and that cannot be erased so he said evidently what happened is when he got to the end of this line here he went back to the beginning over here to write the next word and and he realized wait a second what did I do on top and then he just put away the muuza and that's why it's it's not finished this is not a finished all the words are not here it stopped at the end of this line and that was the end of it well okay I'll just mention one or two points yeah go first of all and let's go back to that Bas do now it happens to be that in this particular instance the place where the B and the do connected is in a strategically poor location because it now gives the if you look at it from a distance it may take on the appearance of the men now if it connected in a different manner but and and in the manner that it connected would not have given the impression of a different letter such as a m let's say it would have connected in a place where it was clear that it was a base and a race except that there is a like a hairline of ink connecting so that would not have ruined the form of the letter the surra of the letter and therefore that can be erased you can just take a pen knife and erase the connection between the B and the r in this case I'm sorry the D and it would have been kosher the problem in this case is that it took on the form of me thus it comes out that the B and the doid no longer hierarchically exist now it's not a base valid it is now a m or it looks like a that and therefore there sorry it's on okay um and therefore because of that now if you fix that you can't just scratch out the connection between the base and the doll because that would be creating letters through eraser which is let me ask you a question let's say this and do are not actually connected you can see a a hairline of space between them but if you hold it like this it looks like it's connected but it's not actually connected you can see it's not connected would that be puzzle no that's why sometimes you have to look very very closely I often uh I look under magnifying glasses very often and I take off my glass and look very very closely at it the is that as long as there is even a tiny space in between letters even sometimes extremely close but as long as there is a place SP can only be seen with a magnifying glass it's still CER be C still C why do we take it into account what you can see with a MAG because the reason is because that although it's not it's not preferred that way obviously but Hally speaking as long as there is even the slightest bit of space in between those two words then Hally speaking you cannot say two letters I'm sorry you cannot say that those are touch speaking we do have a we do have a a question um he said she say it's okay um what age child boy or girl okay it makes no difference whether it's a boy or a girl uh the age of the child is also it's a matter not so much about the age of the child as much as the capacity of that child that the the Hally preferred child is one who recognizes the letters but will not be able to put the words together that is to say he won't be able to figure he or she will not be able to realize what it's what letter this is supposed to be from Context and practically speaking how old is that about what do you I I us assumed that it has to be around the first or second grader so that would translate into usually about five six seven depending on the co you know the the capacity of the child I often when I get a child just to make sure I will ask him a few questions around the other person is not the one that's in question just to check do I does he is he is he good does he recognize the letters well or does he not really have a good handle on letters then it's then he's no good because he's too young on the other hand sometimes he gets a little too good and I say okay you're no good anymore you're you graduated I I can't use you anymore so Ruth is saying that the recording of Rim is playing while we're speaking but it's not we have to chalk that up to the techn technology uh issues because we we stopped it over here so it's not supposed to play while we're speaking but um that's what technology is not always 100% um okay let's go to the next one Rabbi Rabbi Englander this one mentioned one thing about that previous one also and that is um one should not just necessarily assume that the sofa was a was a roof ball which one in the previous one where he stop where where that b yeah the reason is because sometimes he he may have written this I mean the V forget about the V he should have written a little longer but the B doid he probably wrote that correct and therefore went on and he was fine by the time he got to the to the next to the end of the line and he was about to start the next line he realized that the ink ran on here I see okay and that happens and uh you know you have to have just the right amount of Ink on your quill so that it doesn't run and especially if you wrote that doll it a little too close to that bige it may have run after the fact but that doesn't right it will posle it after the fact so you know so he may not have been that he was a goofball okay well we're learning what we're paying all the s for why why are we paying so much for muas right you know 60 70 80 I know how I don't know how much M cost nowadays but now we're learning okay let's go to this one here once you at in Shem so you can't erase it so there's no no [Music] okay so thism we have this word now the question is does this do does it look like a do or does it look like a Zion because really the only difference between a Dal and a Zion besides that that the Zion has Crown eyes is um but there is a u there the Z is longer so here let me look see if I can find it down this is this is what a looks like and this is what a z looks like so the top of the Z if stretched out it becomes a it becomes a dollet so this was the question by the way I didn't speak about these tag but the sh's God needs t and the and [Music] the that if it doesn't says that if there's no it's Poss but and all the rest of do not do not go along with this so someone showed which had no t on any of the sh's GS so so the one who had asked the he right away went and he put a big notice in the Jewish paper that that if there's no is possible so when if that's what he he was very upset I never say such a thing and I would never say such a thing all the make only the and therefore this is he was very upset so the person came to him and he said but I answer the sh and you said that there's no T is p says yes I did say it's posle but not because it doesn't have any T but what kind of wrote this so he doesn't even know he doesn't know that he doesn't know anything else probably doesn't know anything else because that's one of the element Elementary things so therefore I hled it not because it doesn't have have let's just make it a little okay so let's go to that one that's um this this one is a little hard to see this it he was talking about this um dollar over here does it look like a Zion or not um it's not the line is not coming out from place right the the problem well I mean when you have a short space like that he was fetching because he doesn't want to go the the word too far out of the margin that's a no no at Le not preferably so as he didn't space it so well so really if he was on the ball he would have you'll notice that there's a little space between the ramit and the iron and if you would have been able to pull that iron back then he would have made the iron perhaps closer to the lamid maybe perhaps a little bit smaller and then he would not have a problem of fetching that doll in do is the problem that the top is too short the problem is or doesn't come out of the right it doesn't come out of the well they're both the same because see a doid is supposed to have a noticeably longer head over to the as as you're looking at it over to the left now in this Aion is a small small one and it theoretically the leg comes out of the middle of the Zion and on the right for the dollar now in this particular instance being as it it comes out doesn't come out all the way on the right hand side and it's small so this is an example of where it is a question of what's the story with this salad and this may well qualify as a shus Tino this a question of a child will if you look at if you show this to a child will the child look that look at that and see a doll or look at at and see a ey well he also mentioned that the the crowns um on the uh letters that have the crowns those particular certain letters um it's it's not complet if they're not there the mza wouldn't be pule but he mentioned the story that rosha Feinstein did did APLE mza that didn't have the crowns not because of the crowns but because what kind of sulur wres a other it's indicated that he doesn't know what he's doing right and they I can imagine some other mistakes that are not really um don't aren't pule but show you that this is not this is not a good Sofer I've I've done that personally I uh I come across certain muas and I say don't use this muza um I'll tell you an example I was once checking not AA but F and numerous times long letters like nit you know the N hit the bottom of the parchment okay now you can fix those theoretic you can just scratch away a little bit of the moon and the moon's fine and that way it's not it's surrounded by parchments called M and it's it's okay you can fix that and it's not a problem of being out of order that happens three or four times and I put aside the M this T I said please don't use this this and I said why I I fix it once you know if he did it three or four times in the same para right it's evident that this guy does not know and that's like sofus 101 that you know you can't hit the end okay if he doesn't know that then I suspect that he doesn't know all sorts of things and who knows what's going on and there are certain things in saus that you cannot tell someone went back and fixed letter it's impossible to tell right you can't tell and and uh and you are lying on the knowledge and the aite of the Sofer that he did it right because there in many of these cases it's impossible to tell so if he struck out on that one I then I became very suspicious that this guy doesn't know what he's doing right therefore I didn't want to look at the muza even if technically I could have fixed it look at this one behind this one the problem is he's going to say over here is this do that looks like like maybe a long here we go okay so over here so that [Music] okay so over here we have now this is a um long the doll is supposed to be bigger but it's if this line is too long it might look like a now the problem over here is that a like over here does not have the top the roof of it does not go over the side of the of the foot by doll it goes over by it doesn't but over here it did go over because supposed to be a do but he since it was a big do he should have cut it here but he went down here now the question is does it look to a tin does it look like aough or does it look like a dollar so um cuz to us we know that has to be a dollar of course we know it has to be a dollar because it's at the end of but besid that is round on the top and this is square on the top so it can't it's not either but say understand these things better than we do and they said it was a and that's why it became um [Music] here okay so this word of was a p of in for some reason the S probably held it over there and he answer realiz and now the question is does it look like a letter look like a man not look like a man maybe it was supposed to be a pay not an end of pay but a pay in the middle or maybe supposed to be you can't tell anymore it's watched so therefore they pass okay so over here so this me looks koser this Zion looks Kos this other Zion looks Kos the matter of fact this is the beautiful M I assume that the main reason why this Apostles because he forgot the so in a in in the first time it says of him it's without it's it doesn't have that first this one is supposed to be with another and therefore it is it would be possible now here let's go to this one this is an interesting one here it is so behind is pointing out that this uh you can actually see a little carrot here that the that the S put put in to show that it's missing a v here that this this this word muus is supposed to be written with a V between the two Zions and this one is that right that's the problem this one is this one up here is written correctly and this one is not written correctly so you could read this from morning till night and find this problem because all the letters are written properly right I'll just mention two points regarding this number one there are two words that are like that the first para the word toos there is written without out of and in the second para that same word is with of likewise in the word m on the first para it's without above and in this one it's supposed to be with above of course in this m it's out and that's the reason why it's possible um that's one of the so to speak tricks of the trade that person who that does muas would know that that's one of the uh you know Telltale ones that are famous that you have to know you can see how s even a good suur might you know make a mistake which brings which brings us to the next point which is that um nowadays it's very common that muas come with the heure that they have a computer scan M and that is a good thing to have computer scan because human beings might miss that and computer theoretically shouldn't miss that now I say theoretically because even muas even excuse me computers uh I've seen uh missing missing letters on things that are supposedly computer scanned and somehow you mean there could be problems with technology is that sometimes I I I once saw a para in a filling that was supposedly computer scan was missing a whole line and uh I I guess I'm not sure how how that worked I suppose that somehow it didn't scan right and the computer therefore picked up whatever was scanned and said it was fine but the the idea is the post G the Modern Day post gin uh dating back about 30 years ago when they first came out with these computer computer programs that could that could look at now they've gotten much better um back then they even said that you should have it scanned it's a good thing to have it scanned because human beings are human beings if you make mistakes you miss things but on the other hand you shouldn't rely 100% on a computer because alas there are problems with technology so um really preferably you should have both also the computer is not so good with the with the Sur of the O right not not as good as as a person actually actually they're working on that the original computer scans that came out fromon 30 years ago uh they only checked the exact spelling they did not even attempt to analyze the correct formation of the letter uh they just recognized the letter and knew whether it was spelled right the word was spelled right um over the past 25 years they have been developing software by which that they can start recognizing problems with the letter that's very tricky that's hard to do to create um but there are now very complex programs out there that will that will recognize things and often they'll say with the ones I've seen this so far are the ones that will tell you they're not going to P him for you but they're going to put out alert right this letter looks funny right this letter looks funny behind them in said also that at Sometimes some sofim would uh would count the letters in the muuza to know whether or not they were missing any but he said that that only works if maybe you leave out one and you add one somewhere else it won't work anymore right if you if you only left out a letter then you can tell there not not not the right amount of letters but if you added somewhere else you're G to come out with the same amount let's see the question over here even with computer scanning there's a human factor that can mix up which ones were not scann yet and put it in the pile already scan and does not have a barcode oh okay the human can make a mistake and he can think that he scanned this one already right there isn't any stamp that the computer puts on or automatic stamp theoretically what happens is that with many of these U computer things what they do is that they have a little um sticky on the back of the mza or on the T thing it it says um something or other but who puts that on the S yeah supposedly he could put on what he say you could put on the sticker onto the wrong theoretically okay it's not foolproof right correct it's not foolproof okay let's go take a look here here this is something the regular person can look to from today till tomorrow and he wouldn't be able to he wouldn't pick it up if he's just looking he knows what the I is supposed to look like he's supposed to know that this was on the bottom and it went through uh this could look like a cof there was a g of smudge that went through like this um the question is did it change the shape of this letter is like a backwards e or over here if this is connected the bot so then maybe this is a s maybe it's a me instead of a tough or maybe it's a Lama like this the ink uh going through right um yeah this one here where you see this smudge of ink and uh this question is whether or not that changes what the what the lead is look like again that that would depend on the color um would the ten read it correctly there also a question of movil in this case movil means that the letter has to be completely independent surrounded by parchment in this case the smudge makes a sort of a connection between the T and the the end and and that may may be a reason to say that therefore there's a connection even if I could read the tough from here it looks like I could have read that tough and the tinic would have recognized it as a tough apparently it was put with the p yeah um see it's hard to it's hard to tell from the scan um yeah go even if this was it's not ideal no certainly not and if it's connected to the it could be fixed assuming that you can recognize letters properly it would have to be fixed right now would be puzzle anyway for the connection because it now makes it that neither the T nor the are completely surrounded and independent by themselves and therefore they would have to be that smudge of ink would have to be erased Joe Barry is asking um interesting question can one add a barcode to the back of M to properly identify it or is that automatically Poss adding a barcode like a sticker um yeah I'll be honest with you I never got a chance to find out this this issue on many of those M I mentioned before that they put the sticky on to say that it was it was computer scanman once told me that I had have to take off those stickies before you sell them before I sell them before I put them into whatever it is I have to think about okay now I have found numerous times that people give me m to check and they're still on uh I never I I would I I admit to my Folly I never got a chance to follow up why re feels that it should be moved I don't think I can't think of off hand why would possible maybe it's just like writing it's like writing on extra writing on okay but it's it's on the back so um I'm not sure why why he said why he said to remove it he since he said that he must had a good reason so I I always do it myself but I found numerous STS that that's still on that so um I see time is passing here I don't real I didn't realize that we are ready doing this for almost an hour already it's so interesting here but um let me see if there's any there's another M I wanted to show from our collection over here um you can look at this one here you can see it's all water logged on top you know this comes from probably being outside and not being protected properly and you get it there's special muuza cases for outside right yeah I often tell people that if the muza is being placed in a in a spot where it will be uh you know subject to the weather whatever it is it'll be subject to the elements that I tell them to get a special case which is completely enclosed they sell metal cases that have a screw on the bottom okay this is not a commercial message but I'm telling you that uh most of the muuza cases are not watertight and they might be pretty and they might be very nice but in the meantime they're not watertight if this is exposed to the El it's not a gooda you have another one even you can see that it it it completely got disintegrated over here um and you see this letters here are missing oh it's missing so now this is all eaten away I once opened up in mza that was similar to that and it was first of all it was crusted together because it had been you know exposed to the water and when I finally very carefully pred it open it literally cracked MH and it the paper crack the parchment because it had been exposed to the element so long and then it dried out again or whatever it is it was so fragile that by the time I I very daily opened it up it just cracked on me like do this is why we say You're supposed to check youres every three and a half years right so if you keep it well in the proper place in the proper you know especially if they're inside M and their you know their temperature control whatever it is so then you know although it's proper to check you know periodically but tell there you can rely on that nothing happened we had we had Rabbi Spiro also spoke to the rabbis about mu's for for rabbis he didn't go through particular M but just in general checking mzas and and filling and he said that of course a lot of people if they have some difficulty in their lives uh some something happened U health or or financially difficulties so they want to check the muas there was such a an idea so he said that um you know so you check your muas but he says many times there's nothing wrong with the m so so he'll him all you m are fine and he says sometimes he gets the reaction but Rabbi then what could be the problem why am I having all these sorus all these all these difficulties why is it my mzas are okay then then what's wrong so he holds himself back because it's not his place he feels but he thinks in his mind well did you check how's your do you keep shabas 100% you know thew the 39 categories of Labor very well with all the m and shabas how about what about all these things this is just one place to start to look check M's but of course the the person has to investigate all of his deeds I will tell you that there was a story with me personally yeah I once checked in and I uh fixed it it was it was not koser for somebody else yeah somebody gave me and and it was not koser but the problem was that there were two words that ran together in other words the sofa was not careful in the spacing and he wrote two words and they ran together and a Tino child would not have read them would not have known where one word ended and when the other word begin that's a that's a but that is fixable so do what I call cosmetic surgery and you make it these these letters fatten these letters up and fatten these letters up and and accentuate the distance in between and you can make it recognizable okay so I did that so I gave him back to I said it's Kos so he says it's goer now I said yeah it's go now it wasn't go so he he was that kind of person say he want to know really what was the problem so this is a true story I said oh there were letters words that ran together which letters which words so I said you really want to know makes a difference yeah yeah yeah I really so he said I told him I said too close together the two words the two words which translat to mean and you shall eat and you shall be satisfied he turned white he so I said that he said had like a shocked look on his face and he said oh my gosh I can't believe what's found said this isza is my daughter's on her door that daughter is suffering from anorexia so like I'm changing this you know like you got really is there something to it I'm not denying that could and there are stories like that but meanwhile that's certainly not the only Factor right I also have not to uh that's a that's a great story I have with myself also we had um we had a m in our house you're you're telling me that story it's prompting me to tell you this we had him m in our in our house um um and my father he one of his problems was he had a leaky heart valve a leaky valve that's what it's called okay um and that was one of his issues anyway we checked this inza and the problem was on the word AER the Sofer said the the the r looked like a dollar which spells Eed and Eed is is is like a leak or a canal or something flowing and the the key is that my father's name is AER so it was very uh I don't know if I told him that or not but but that was the that was the problem with the mza now the the good thing would be if you say well we fixed it we replaced it and then the problem was solved that doesn't work like that it doesn't come doesn't work like that but it was something that that it was uh it was really hit close to home um Josh wants to know is there an issue for Asad using a vice versa yes there is an issue but we unfortunately don't have time uh to go into that now um you're welcome to contact us or Englander can they get in touch with you if they have questions yeah how can they do that um best way is my actually the best way is my cell phone which is 5304 uh that's the best way you can also contact me by email which is the best email to use is a Englander one number one so it's a n g l a m d r one at Juno J U o.com I know that's an old uh that's a dinosaur that's great I know but that's what happens when you don't have a I do have another email ason Englander a Ys o n Englander n g l n d r at gmail but I will mention that I don't see that very often so if you write me on that one uh it may take me a little while to get back okay great well that's that's worth it to come to the this webinar just to get your from get in touch with you um Ys is asking is a full rubber video going to be available for viewing yes it is um we just wanted to give it to you with this in this format so we can comment on it and and so on um and uh we will post that um on our our CH our YouTube channels our Vimeo Channel and also kosher classes. org so you have a few ways of getting it um should give us a little bit of time a week or so to get it up and then take a look over there I want to thank every everyone for joining I think we went a full hour which is not what we were planning to do but again I think I got lost in in the enjoyment over here the excitement um thank you very much for 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