08-29-2018 Sukkahs To Go

hello welcome sista stargaze monthly webinar welcome back after our break our summer break my name is Ravi Goldberg and today we have again rally more than I Frank oh thank you my Frankel for joining thank you for having me Remy Frankel is the director of the starcade Law Institute and we answer the answers shila's questions in all areas of Halawa not only unconscious you can reach us at 4 1 0 4 8 4 4 1 1 0 our email is info at star dash k dot o-r-g and rabbi Franco's direct email is ha ha ha H a la CH a and star - Kor G all of these webinars are recorded and archived on our website starred educator or can we invite you to look at the the archives I want to thank in advance of a Chapman and miss Rosenstein for helping us get everything set up technically okay so I want to tell you that Rabbi Frankel that I had somebody a few years ago he asked me a question he was going to visit as in was on call America's and and he was very disturbed because it was it was a long drive and he would not he was afraid he would not be able to have a Sukkah on the way and he was very ready to stop he said he always sits in a circle I tried to give him all sorts of ideas don't don't wash just have you know things that don't require so good he wasn't happy with that because he was very strict about it and he wanted to have so because I started they give him some ideas how you could have so cuz then we're gonna show today some reason he was very upset that he could not have a regular circle but really ha logically if you have a coach you're so good in the way we're gonna do it there's really no difference the Mitzvah right you should have to do right ok so we we have a number of so because I remember also years ago I just want to tell you I was they started making suckers that were easily assemble you know like click and this and that I remember saying to my wife you know they're gonna come up with somebody says pops up you just pop it up out of the box right right right okay I'm with Cassius okay so let's see we have this is probably the one the kind of super here on your screen and by the way if you have something to discuss with us please chat with us on the bottom left we'd love to hear from you if you have a question this is the you know became very popular the type of pop up so copy this picture from one of the sites and all my pictures really are would like to attribute you want to where it goes anymore so this is a pop-up circa a very common for people on the road so it works I have one actually it works like do it like there's laundry baskets that just it's the same same concept it's like bendable metal rods with the plastic around them and you pop it up right so what if what is some issues though there could be with this right so so I'm sure it's constructed well I'm sure that they took these things into account a person needs a super which would not blow too much in a regular wind so it has to have some stability if a sucker blows in a regular wind so that the walls move too far so then that could put the conscious of the soapy into question but over here as you can see in the picture it looks like they have straps going around the sides so that so it prevents it from from moving too far in the winds okay so these are actually these things you're talking about oh yeah yes that's a support it's a support now it just it's just holding this hooker so it doesn't collapse I'm gonna see anything here that is holding down this okay you would have to put some stakes like a tent or in the one I have it has like a rope around it and you can tie that to a poles like I put the station Inn near poles regular wins it wouldn't have said this should be called the blow away suka because it's not going to this is not gonna hold as it isn't it would not actually because she said but if you tie it down is possible so that's the main thing you gotta really be be aware of that you got you gotta tie it down now there's another picture here of this hooker from the inside but this is from the inside looking up so this is the top of the circle and they have here if you can see rods not rods like a bamboo going across two bamboos gonna crossing the mat on top of it right so there's a reason that they did that which is that person does not want their stuff to be resting on something which is not his on something which is the capital which is not acceptable to start so therefore they have these wooden poles cross beams going across and then the mat is resting on that the mat is resting on material that itself would be conscious of stuff and that that takes that takes care of any mommy's issues that mi casa so then you don't want to put the mat directly on the so this is really the challenge with these two has to be stable enough that it will stay there in a regular wind right so we've we talked about that in other venues there's something called raffia RAF I a and you can that's a natural string that you can get natural natural string raffia and you can get that and tied down to the sukkah and then it won't blow away we actually have had a webinar last year on all the Scott Mets and I can give that that link if it's again applicable now I'm gonna give you a link right here that's the link for last year's webinar on this conference which we're not really gonna go into right now okay also this book has to be the big enough right has to be decides has to be so let's say two feet by two feet by 40 inches or something it's very small but this is obviously much bigger okay then this is there's one I think that is interesting to people that if you don't have this you can think about it's right behind them it's famous card or asuka and so that's something that really all you need is a car and and and this person was driving to his animals this would have been the solution fan it could have been so it depends what kind of car you have so it's a sedan and you need a sedan or perhaps an SUV a little challenging but let's take a look at that so this is what it looks like in the end something like this okay and the idea over here is that you have one wall here on the left this is your car door that's one wall this car door is the second wall right you need a minimum of three walls so where's the third wall the third wall is the other side of the car and we allowed to consider that as a wall and frankly you can explain what the logic a logic logic is to be able to consider that on the side as as a wall and you want me to bring up the picture with the so in this picture as you can see you have let's say when we put stuff across that open area on the roof so we have the four walls of the house and we have the part of the roof that's still intact which is not kosher for suckers if the stock which is put over the open area is within four arms of the walls so then we look at the wall and that part of the ceiling which is less than four hours long which will form an L shape you have the uprights of the wall and then the horizontal of the ceiling if that horizontal line is less than four hours long then that would connect illogically the star so the two dark to the vertical wall and and that words make the stuff because it's connected to the woman kosher scuff death call that dolphin Akuma might be wall so that's a special holiday we're allowed to use over here and therefore in going back to the the corridor sugar so there again we have the four sides of the car where the other door is at the back and the passenger doors we have the bed that wall and then we have the the actual roof of the car which again is not kosher for a scarf but the width of the car is less than four hours and therefore we can look at at the bats for war as being connected to the stock which is placed over these two open doors okay so now yeah now this person put the chair actually in the right place right which is where he's gonna sit underneath only underneath his scarf not it's not in the car this would not allow you to eat in the car again the route the roof above the car is actually part of the wall and can't eat tons are there but that's good that's part of the wall and that forms the third wall and then when you sit in in between the two open doors so then you have the front or the back door and that wall around you that makes three walls of a starter of it that small area where the person put that chair is so you might get some looks at this but it's okay because okay now let's take a look at some of the details over here when I'm pointing out over here at the space between the bottom of the car door and the floor has to be less than 3 mm which is 10 inches I'd say right so again just like just like the concept of the phone which you just mentioned how logically it's considered connected so so to anything within 3 to 4 mm of the grounds there's another principle called novels that anything within three to Ockham on the ground is considered connected to the ground so one person needs that the walls of the sucker reach the ground so if bottom of the cards are is three to fartin within three twelve other grounds it's considered connected to the ground and that's acceptable right so we went out we did some pictures over here to get some some more this one right here okay so you can see it looks like there's a lot of distance but you can't really tell from the picture but what you can maybe you might be able to do to lessen that distance if it's more than 10 inches it's put something under there right underneath the card or something stable you could attach a piece of cobble right or something and then or you can pull up this was our behind mints idea actually pull up on a curb and that will lessen the space in between the the the two between the bottom of the card door and the floor right so that would be that would be acceptable now there's another issue which is this if you look at the the cars nowadays are made at a great angle over here because the window is at this angle and this leaves a big space in here where I'm pointing between the car door and the car right right so if you put the staff mat across from the door onto the roof of the car then that area there is going to be open which potentially is a problem so there are some details of that if we discuss it behind them right so if the car door is 10 tall itself then you can say it wouldn't be but you can easily do is fill up this space with something solid right so if the cards or itself the top of that card or before where the window starts is 40 inches above the ground so then you have a wall there which is the car doors tense high once the wall is tense Markham hide that's acceptable and then even if the wall does not actually reached the stuff and you have that window area which is open that's still fine as long as the one is 10 smoking high if if if the where the car door the height of the cars are before with those starts is not tense buckle it's not 40 inches above the ground so then you're gonna have to fill in that area with some cardboards or something to make up that distance right there are some details about it if you're actually going to do this you want to show it to your to your rub to make sure that it's it is acceptable but let's go back there are some points that are being made there on the chat I see and they're good points and we want to bring those up as well one is that the Scott over here is sitting directly on the corridors and since the car doors are Makabe to mom you would first want to put something else like a cross beams down going between the car doors and then put the map going the other way so that you have a break secondly the question is being asked does this stay up in a rock material in a wind and the answer is you have to make sure that it does so either tie it down or maybe use bamboo which is more solid if you put if you put a crossbeam underneath it you can also put heavier crossbeam another heavy cross beam on top so all day down right you have you know some some long piece of woods laid over the top to hold them at down but you know even if you didn't do that and this is all that you did it would be you'll be allowed to make a brothel in here because I mean so if you were stuck and seemingly this person is stuck because he's doing this in the first place it would be cultured but if you want to do it ideally you would put the intervening piece of wood okay I think that basically covers this this idea is there anything else about it a week okay I see there's some discussion on the chat about the sunroof I guess [Music] let's move on to another book finding out that in the case of the person was going to visit his illness it's not clear at all that he Allah he is obligated to have a stuck there at all he's he's a person who's traveling for good reason the rule is that a whole day to drop in some tea was traveling does not need to sit in a circle you can eat outside with suka the general rule is that a person has to live in their circle like they live in their house tej who came to do group and that's why when it's raining you don't have to stay in Osaka so just like a person who has a house occasionally takes trips and eats outside his house so so if a person is taking a trip for legitimate needed reason then he would not need to sit in a circle so so if a person is just taking a trip for entertainment so remotion Weinstein and egress malucia says that that's not and needs a trip that's a voluntary tour trip and therefore a person should not eat outside the circle on such a trip but a bus was taking a trip for business reasons or some trip which he needs to take and he needs to take it to some reason at this time he couldn't see couldn't do it other times this is when he has his off work this is the time you can go visit his animals it could well be that such a person is not obligated sees in the circuit okay okay Zeb says you might be better off with a pop up tied well to the car doors definitely an idea okay there's another circuit we we came across let me show you this one meanwhile pista was asking how about a simcha in Israel eating on a plane would that be so again as I think you mentioned at the beginning to eats regular means chicken only if a person's going to wash so Minnesota knows so much of the meal would not be an issue but other than that again it depends if he has a legitimate reason why there's why he has some and needs to be traveling at this moment in time then he would be able to eat not in suka if he could travel at all the time so it's just he's just choosing to travel now then it's not so simple Shalom Shmi mother hi valincia gavotte yoke kupatana built a new patent Ptolemies to cram it in the pocket a ceramic capacitor album Vishnu yacht Michalik album kilo image EDA maybe that Olli shipshooba Capilouto egg omelet a teensy little icy butcher Asuka this ought to be don't act on Germany motto be mine mucho morality would we lost the mission mr. 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it's a very ingenious keeping it we don't have any relationship with them I don't know I have never seen it in the United States or anywhere it actually it's I'll enough they even make it anymore but the idea was to be able to have a bucket it's not weighs 40 kilograms it's like 80 pounds or so so it's heavy right so as long as it doesn't doesn't blow away it would be it would be okay it is worthwhile thinking about the fact that there is a concept of hazel Mitzvah when a person buys an Esther if a person tries to buy and Hester which looks particularly nice when a person buys a Louisville person tries to buy one which is particularly nice by a sucker as well we try to decorate it parts of the part of the hit zone mitzvahs that it should look nice that would be something to take into account again they're all kosher but it's worthwhile taking into account all right it was interesting as long as it's tabled you know we can't tell from here whether what happens in the wind but they said they did address it by saying they put water in the base in general even if the walls move slightly if if they if they stay within reeds of of the uprights so then reverse your feistiness says that that's fine so a slight just likes us like moving the wind is going to happen with any canvas sucker or any sucker like that that's fine as long as it doesn't move excessive amounts okay here's a type of thing that many people have the 12th seed or the fifteenth season right so we're going to show you how you can make us look at it out of this as well okay so we have the record we have two doors over here right one here and one here those are two walls they're not going to move in the wind but the space from the floor to the bottom of this door is way more than 3/4 so you'd need to attach something there something stable piece of wood something that would be able to stand then we have a problem over here that the third wall is where is all the way at the front of the car which is more than four hours we're almost away so we can't use the other end of the car so we have a little problem but I want to show you is somebody to actually did do this and how they did it okay here's sitting in this circuit in the back of the van okay so you can see on this side they attached some heavy cardboard and same on this side and and you can't really see it but what they did was they told us behind these people standing they piled up their luggage up to the ceiling so that's and that's a that's a wall right it's not gonna move it's good it's a kosher wall luggage you need you need around the grounds again on all three sides then you put some car I don't want to be sure to reach within three to four M of the grounds and then if you do that if your pilot Oh someone's behind their legs you also need this but relevance right right correct that's a then if you pile up the pilot ball you know find some way to build something which is tend to pop in my after grounds then that'll walk again they have cross beams over there right cross beams right and the stuff on the staff goes on top assuming that the stock will stay in irregular winds then then it's fine right so obviously plan this out in advance and they thought about how you can do this it's really incredible maybe onto that right okay another type of stucco which we didn't we don't have a picture of once mentioned to me that you could make also it's just what they call cherry sticks so cherry sticks are sticks maybe like three feet long and one inch wide and quarter inch thick they're very pliable so they thin and pliable and not this one so you can interweave them one to the other and make up make a wall like a lattice yeah right then then you have one wall so then they stick into the grounds your stick them in the ground or you or you well you you make three of these no and then it's true and then you you have to have a way of attaching at the ends so you could rope or something to some wire to attach them together and then on the top you just throw more cherry sticks because Jerry sticks and Koshiba stuff Jerry sticks are actually what he has here on top that's what he has here on top there was another thin thin cherry stick so then then used a few scars so you just need one or two bundles of these maybe 30 40 of them and you throw them in your trunk and you can have a mixture soaked I never tried this I don't know it sounds like a good I'm not sure if there are any questions let's see if we can we can and if you want to chat with us we'll take a break for a second just to remind you that if you want to reach us you call for one zero four eight four four one one zero or email us at info at Starrcade org and if you want to be signed up for the emails to know what the next month's topic is so send an email to us and we'll put you on the list if you didn't get if you somehow didn't get it this month okay another Scotty is what's what are their gather what's the requirements for would purchase at Home Depot to be kosher for stock what kind of wood that's very good questions so single pieces of sticks like this suddenly fine they haven't been they haven't been connected to each other they're just single pieces which you put on top the question is they sell fencing which also has pieces or sticks but the sticks have why is why I go through them which connects them to each other sticks together holds them together so that already there's a question that they've been taken from the natural space of a sticks and in fact being in turned into a clean to something which is you tile by be they've been turned into a fence and generally a clay is considered as something which is makan soma and something which again is masala is not is not acceptable for stuff so one me now be able to use them for stuff or can certainly use them for walls there's a question that things which are generally attached to the grounds are not a couple Thomas so it could well be that if this fencing is amazed so going to the ground and then then possibly it's not Makabe soma it could be the dance conscious or stuff so that's a that's a question but certainly four walls it would be fine but what about the question would be what would let's say you had a 2x4 which is a heavy beam we don't use that for Scott to do those beams you know we take those we use them as support this stuff we actually use that for Scott because they made for building normally right we like to be used for Scott right they're made they're made for for building folklore built houses rights for long term construction it have to be something more floozy and pliable and that's less permanent okay then what's not badly refrigerator box Soaker which I which which I put down an email I think so okay so before I had the popups okay so I had the refrigerated box okay I came into this star cast okay as you know as a listeners must know certifies all sorts of appliances all things refrigerators for use on Shabbos an octave and so on so I came in one day there was a refrigerator here and comes in a big box right with it so we have to be tape where they send them to us to test something and and so there was a big box it wasn't being used and I said well this could be used for first soaker so what I did was my theory was like this to cut off the top right cut off one side so now I have three sides and I have a bottle of heavy cardboard okay now if you put Scott off the top and you go in so you have you have a Sukkah so my my problem with it was that it blows away in the wind so I argued though that when you're sitting in there it doesn't blow because you're providing the stability because you're in it you only use it when you're in it and since it has a bottom which is connected to the sides it's all one piece so it doesn't blow away in the wind but I had a different problem with it I never really got resolved this problem which was that okay so let's say it stays in the wind but when it stay in the ring if it was rain for an hour or two which it doesn't soak us often right I mean rainy season here it it would collapse and fall down so when you say that asuka needs this smelled it withstand the wind does it also new devil it withstands normal rain I couldn't find it anywhere in Halawa we never gotten resolved it's a very interesting question there's a half day we stand all the normal elements are just the wind maybe the wind is just because that's what doesn't so there is such a confidence it does the play not only with the winds but you know there it's for sure gonna dry out here maybe it won't rain you know it's not a given so Zeb says those boxes won't dissolve so easily okay how long does it have to rain to the south it's true I might refrigerator box occur I'm putting it out there nothing is good I'm not saying it's not good it just was an interesting idea and suddenly possible to go seven days without it necessarily raining that much that it would ruin it yes it is possible but it's also very possible that it could very good a lot I don't know why like hurricane season okay now let's move on to a very unique circuit this is the luggage carts okay this is the real circle we didn't set this up this is a real picture of somebody I'm guessing it looks like he came from air to stir all that so it looks like and he's in the he's trying to see how he can eat his lunch and so he takes three cards right - it's one this here on the right when he's sitting on and there's one on the left so it provides him with three walls right one two three he puts his mat which he must have brought with him over the top so it's sitting on something that's Makka become of the metal but let's be the evidence culture okay and he's sitting on the card as you can see over here it's sitting on the stone on the middle card so he has to deal with the fact that there's more than three tefa gap on the grounds to to the part of the cards which which can be function as a wall so what he's done is he's put his hat box on the cards here on this side and inside he has write function as part of the wall and then I assumed that the bottom of the cart is have been reached bottom of the grounds so he's using let's say this bag is part of this wall okay also I see a space over here in between the two cards if you can't tell how wide that spaces as well and also the question would be do the carts move easily like if somebody would bump it where they'd fall apart and I think the answer is no nowadays the cards have a locking feature okay so Michael is asking where's the third hole okay the third wall as you can see he's sitting on a cart do you see this I'm pointing out there on the bottom he's sitting on a cart which the back in the back of his back is a woman it's a presumably and has another suitcase yes so he has three cards here one is this this is the wall and then the back of him that's the idea there are some technical issues that it needs to do with but it's very unique and it is definitely possible to do it correctly right so so that's really something you know these carts are not cheap either Durant like six dollars so he really wants to do the mid-span drop its really something else to see that you doing that okay let's move on to to another circa which is which is not it's a little different idea over here let's look on to this it's kind of stuck over here okay this is a super mobile Babbage truck so what they did over here [Music] is a flatbed truck right this is flat so they put up one wall this way the topic can't see it and you can really fit a lot of people in there I mean you know right so I simply drive it around the places where people would there's nothing wrong to have a good that moves right you can even sit there well it while it was driving I mean that's it but you can give additional talks about this look on top of an animal so right this is the same as that the question would be on the arms of itself whether a person should be going into such a source of income oh that's fine I assume that they don't have it open on you to tell then they have a similar idea profits and there's no privacy a problem for the truck right what's not for them not for the animal yeah it's a problem down smokes came to these are these are Mike's hookers so these young men John round not sure where I guess in the air they are and it says your cyka has a ride flagged me down step inside and shake see you sure they must have a pool of an ester and you know to provide you to eat something and to shake you a little bit necessary in this hookup again these they have you know like it's three walls so maybe four walls and they have a stock and they would need to tie them down the proper way but there's nothing stopping such as super from being kosher right it's really it's really something to see see right so they over here even though the sucker maybe three to pop him about the grounds but it's not we talking about the grounds of the circuit itself because it's gonna be very good okay [Music] again is there any questions you want to chat with us super feel free and we have one more unique so go over here this is not a traveling and it's a one-person Soaker and sinner to stroll okay so the question is how do they make this in the first place I'll show you this is not for the faint of heart okay here you can see them it's some sort of air conditioner holder this frame looks like this but I guess if they had no choice that's what they do okay so that's the end of our hour a little tour of Lucas on the go I'm glad that you joined with us I do want to show you the link to our webinar did I put this up already I did time on suka mats which is always we get many many questions about that during me right before right the for circus it's the most common type of covering nowadays that the man it's important to know how to do it right right so there are different types of different styles and different things holding them together and and that's it really I haven't any other questions in the chat otherwise we will we will see you next time God willing now next time is it is column wide so this so we can have a webinar from our from our car soca again if you want to be signed up for the to know with the next stop because if negative the next one I will not be the last Wednesday of the month because that's all my focus and star kaise bare-bones staff and everybody's out on their vacations wherever they're traveling so we're not gonna have it then but we'll have to figure something else so you can send an email to info at star dash K dot org and we'll let you know just when the next one might be thank you very much for joining us when I wish everybody exceed estimate over healthy Happy New Year and enjoy your active together with your families and we look forward to seeing you next time thank you up your Franco thank you