06-01-2016 Star K Shiur regarding use of Shabbos mode appliances

okay good good evening my name's do the technical difficulties here okay okay let me let me try to do this and see if it'll work out the one in charge with the ipad mini said I have about 35 minutes maybe we can stretch a little bit so what I'd like to do is is go through these slides and he suggested of in his first so I'd like to go through the slides and if you have a just you know I don't understand question but if you have a big shyla they we can hold it to the end you see how far i get okay so that's me and that's how you can reach me either through an email or through a regular phone okay again i'm not a rabbi just dealing with these appliances I work with a star cake and if you have questions I will I will try to answer them as they come up now I must say the world is getting much more complicated than you can even imagine the appliance companies are putting all kinds of bells and whistles into into their appliances and what I ask the engineer is why do you make it so complicated they say because we can that's their basic answer and it is putting apps onto the places you name it there let's try to do it so but it is possible for the front person who wants to avoid all these problems to to simply by the basics you can get a refrigerator that has manual defrost you could always go to a nice box that's really going back bar and you can get a stove there's no electricity going to it this has pilot lights however I think you're going to have a risk of shell bias I don't know that any housewife these day will tolerate that but it is possible to do that so if you get very frustrated just buy some of the old stuff okay a little bit a little bit of math only two backgrounds and no place on this at the end basically when we talk about writing to a computer it's not like pen and ink and paper essentially everything's and powers of two and that's because you need to have zeros or ones it's a it's a binary system and this just sort of an example and so it's a zero if the semiconductor does not have a charge and a one of it it does and when you either switch you you magnetize effectively the semiconductor and then it has a one otherwise as a zero and so what you do to that switch if you the magnet or not switches in a location and there's an outer circuit in all computers they're essentially goes around at three gigahertz reviewers is three times ten to 93 billion times per second checking what has changed what should I be doing now so that's what's called writing to a computer you change the switch okay okay so let's go through the different aspects of cooking the cooktop is where you put your pots on shabbos you can't do an adjustment if you have a gas cooktop is plating and just a simple blessed that you put on there but be careful that the the controls are that the heat doesn't get trapped in around the controls because you're melting knobs if you have an electric and by the way gas is the preferred focal point of view it's much easier with that if you have an electric there the coil elements the old-fashioned quad elements which again are preferred normal bless on there and they're easy to kasher the glass tops we'll talk about a little bit those are the one with the remand element nice smooth glass and you have like a ribbon element that lights up that cycles on it off you the manufacturer says you cannot put a bless on there because the heat traps will crack the glass so consequently local would be what we do we can check with minor event and actually why just cover the controllers okay cook ducks on yontiff again with gas it's essentially always on there's no feedback in other words it doesn't know what temperature you why'd you just make it larger you can raise a low of a flame for cooking purposes and the igniters are an issue especially igniters are a spark that's created the gas flow through the the spark and the flame goes on the question becomes if you want to put another flame on if you practice on a Wednesday in practice on an on your birthday the question is can you go back past the ignite position fast enough to do not engage the igniter and consequently have gas coming out that you like with a candle and say okay the electric ones are the coil element now and used to be there were different circuits with currently the coil elements as far as i know just time on time off so if you make it hotter essentially the coil stays on longer relative to the time that is off but to adjust it onion if you would leave an indicator light which any appliance or component but if you so you know what is on you raise it was off with lower it the glass tops have this ribbon element that light socket it's like a glowing orange ribbons and effectively you could if the ribbon is is on you can raise it and it was also the lower it there are some at the bottom there are some cooktops that have a delay built into it they have the shabbos mode for the cook tops the only downside is if you have a power failure that where the power comes back the cooktop is off any electronic type control the UL requires that if you lose power or car comes back it comes in the off position for safety reasons so that's the plus or minus of having a cooktop that has some kind of a shop is open to what when you things are raising lower see everything lower than what about again on the gas so on the octave you could raise lower yet who controls you're not you're not engaging you're disengaging circa just anymore okay as far as the oven goes that was a cooktop the oven Charlotte of course you can't you can't do anything I shoppers right and right for cooking purposes that cook right so the we need to make clear relative to the shabbos vote we the stockade create this we just lost one to cause the manufacture called sabbath mode but it really does not allow you to to you know just freely adjust the oven on or anything that has a childhood freely adjusted on Chavez and shout is all that the can't put food in on Chavez all you do is have a perfectly cooked food in there already from before shabbos and then the oven will be in each other you still either zhang's mode to open the door as well see shortly but the fact that it's called a shout smoke does not commit cooking on Chavez it's just that happens to be the name you can think of a better name and no with that but that was what the companies came up with well but younger timona doesn't mean anything I don't think the companies want to put yo to quote the right so they have one of Thanksgiving you would use this and that was a problem I'm stealing in july 4th you with your point of view okay so one of the things i learned getting into this is I never thought of putting a cover on the controls oh no because you put food up and you think requires up there it turns out that you really should cover the you don't have a blessed day of it but you should cover the controls put a piece of tin foil something non flammable over the controls after you've set them for shoppers now on it's not me but it's a winery terminal but on on shabbos I think we're kind of it will get into a little bit too able to use the the oven on Chavez because of all the goings on with the fire and so on you really you open the door once and take all the food out at that time and then close the door so you have one crack at it they all your courses out and then close the door and that's it I don't cover it in the slides but maybe later on there is a feature a lot of these of them called kind bank and once you engage time bank and shuts off after let's say two hours and the oven is off then you can open and close as many times as you want okay refrigerator what's that is different than opening up the door refrigerator yes why is that because you do with how borrow / traitor it's like power so on the others ovens have a cool feedback in other words it knows when cool air comes in and turns on close to a gas cooktop whatever city you put it on it does make it different what you want it's just at that fixed setting so it has what's called Thursday service that tells the trolls what to do with outlining the fire or not so the question on young cub is as far as temperature adjustment is concerned so there are a few ways that you can go about it and one of the ways is with a built-in delay so this is what we call the Chavez mode so we have a delay in there where you ask you push a button to go to another temperature the oven puter knows I'm in a shabbos mode consequently I cannot react right away so i will delay some time 30 seconds 50 seconds it will delay and we try to get the company to do it random but at least there's a delay between you're requesting and the actual implementation of what you're what you're asking doesn't pushing the button itself creating circuit at that time okay so rahama is going to speak with that there is an issue of some concern but the answer 10 on the rental elaborate is that what is it that you're doing when you are pushing the button there's no light no sound nothing so what really is a lot that's involved what's that what's card what's rolling creating a certain right well okay I don't speak about it I don't like the farm I said you're closing a circle the guard and either magnetizing around magnetizing a switch-up Semak know okay so there's a built-in delay which those that have the sammies mode will cause a delay implementation some of the ovens have the indicator light it cycles on and off when there's power to the oven so when the light is on that you would raise the temperature when it's all through with lower the temperature and for gas up and that's why gasps it really preferred even if you don't have a delay or an indicator light you can always watch the igniter Barbra sort of a glowing bar looks like sunrise on the bottom of the oven so with that area bars on that means the cast coming in that you could blow if you could raise the temperature that you wanted and when it clicks off you'll see you like sunset then you would lower the temperature of the the oven so those three methods are available to the onion code to adjust the temperature of another okay so it says they are assuming no change in d'ville despues right so you have to negate the digital display which we do in the ones that have a shot wait what's that so much a 30 60 seconds maybe 15 to maybe 15 to 60 seconds ok so now getting to some of the issues that we have relatives to the heating products the cook tops and this is sort of a little bit general will get them all cooking shoulder the glass tops could be an issue between meat and dairy on pass us I don't know if you want a blow torch this glass top so you have to check with your rug what what he holds relative to cos during the glass top but the issue is now nation with the quad cab because the close up you just put on max or I don't know 10 15 minutes and you'll see it glow then you catch it the coiled up with a pot 6 there's been a real blow it's a real blow now the truth is that there's a nichrome wire inside of the sheet so if you talk in the room and put the full power you'll see the glowing even flew the sheet it's a really low inside well I would say somewhere 2015 on degrees all good okay so another issue that we have with a heating products is recovering after a power failures we talked about that relative to those cooktop controls you look trying to cook that control where if you lose power you don't regain it when the power comes back if you get into a fancier products they have a lightning it's brighter or dimmer as you make the gas or or the electricity higher or lower you don't want that there are some that you switch from a simmer to a full flame where you're actually turning one circuit opaline the other ones and then of course the cooktop additional igniters if you I usually suggest the people with building a kitchen and have a separate cooktop to put the pump we cooked up into a Swiss outlets report on to you turn off all powers of the kotel and you cannot do that with a range because in the other wall okay so with the ovens one of the big problems is clover cut off which the companies came about because of safety if you happen to run into over again and up and buy a house with an oven and that is a 12-hour cut off is absolutely nothing you can do about it to get rid of that you don't have provision built in now so now we get into a little bit maybe a little bit cupcake there are two issues with opening the door the first issue with opening the door is you're letting how do I go out and cool air comes in so you're affecting the thermostat when you open the door so the question is when can you do that on Chavez to Wendy can you do that on a dungeon and I think reminder will speak about that but that's a concern obviously because you're in directly causing the plane to go on or off as you maneuver the door the ovens per se again if there's a power failure they'll come back most of the others will come back off now there is one tricky parts of it if you lose power on an oven and it has a light in it that is affected by open closed door you're going to be want to make sure that it stays in shops closed off otherwise if it if the power fails the power comes back when you open the door the light will go on so you have to try that a little bit to see what happens after the property otherwise that to get me going s to come and open open the door okay now the other of these the fourth bullet down winds up being a concern perhaps especially in liquid there's the issue of the manufacturers wanting to protect the plastic and protect the control board and perhaps protect the consumer blasted heat so what they've done is if you have a door switch now I should preface not every oven has switch but I'll say this built-in ovens all that door switches the range is if you don't have no switch meaning there's nothing it turns the light on or off with the door do you have nothing to worry about because the control board doesn't know when the doors open to close if you have a light switch that that's operated by the door then you have a potential problem that also affects the heating element so what they want to do is when you open the door they want the heating element to go off and when you close it they want to go on right away so in this sabbath mode we put in a delay when you open the door you never turn it off right away when you close the door you don't put it on right away so you would need the sabbath mode even on shabbos we can I do any types of adjusting you still would needed to protect when you open and close the door that they always random but side with that the makings of a hands on the company we try to do that way but sometimes yes sometimes oh one thing so where's your 50 and 60 1560 so long well I think it's like this thing kinda holds your five seconds but we always tell the company you don't want to cut it too close do we need a kind of 30 sometimes happen in the shadows the light comes on that you're gonna go okay that's only to the GE right but they fix that I don't think long story is that they run their light bulb to a different circuit better control board they fix that but they're the only company of ever doing that in the road emails the boogeyman Pokemon could we live in the it's model-specific if you have a door switch you have to know her model whether it affects see this one that Michael don't think not connected oh I'll GE I don't know see I don't know the light bulb is operated outside of the control board but it could be that that squiggle also sends a signal to the billboard I just don't know what's that Alex well that wasn't that going to fix you what you do is eat unscrew the bulb or turn it on at the panel of those are stay on ok repeat that the table only the life if you press the switch permanently it'll take care of everything together pain goes on your back it shouldn't be going on go back in the shabbos know the fans should not be going wrong except in a couple of the higher ng there was a failure and it's group in group 1 and group 2 if you look at the start a web page but some of these zet models group 102 and what happened is they on their own went ahead and decided they want to put the fan out when you raise the temperature so we if you raise the temperature on Ianto you have to wait like 20 or 30 minutes before you open the door that's there's a fix for that to no more out there by go ok so so obviously you have to take care of the life spans and digital display icons have taken care of somehow cancel if you want to use it oven java coaching to care that there are other issues we recommend anybody I flew up and wiped it clean with the warm water and do code need for shipping and manufacturing the last time we checked the coding was kosher royal but doesn't hurt to wipe it down before years the first time there's also the issue of bending now anything is where the higher goes when it leaves the oven a lot of people double ovens what available you want to miss a wonderful I see it whatever I mean it's not a problem they they don't want they don't think one of it into the other they may all go to the back there is a common area on the bottom where sometimes they are emitted from the oven but that purse a clever item is is not there's not an issue ok now there is a new trend or whatever reason to go away from self clean which puts the cleaning cycle at about 80 to 40 degrees Fahrenheit to steam clean as far as I knows be wise not to get a seat clean because it's not going to being able to uh sure it the way you explained expect the self-clean do for living cow there's also steve bake which is a introducing water into the oven makes the pressure but there may be a problem of milton replacing so you need to check with your own and time babies just I bring it up here when it's helpful Chavez because once the timing is reach you can open the door any any time now you have to be careful try it out what's not not shop is because it doesn't have a shabbos vote it doesn't have look for some features to it you know it'll danger Ling the whole shabbos and the first time you open the door cancel so you have to be tried the time date before actual shabbos or yahoo want to use it and but once you use kind of a you can't use anymore for that young the oven is often you have to reset the oven too helpful feature what was the problem patient estimate because you usually view you're saying that you could uncover one uncovered but now once the steams there and everything is sort of one agenda and so you have to make sure what's covered was not covered much more so than a regular oven okay we know approximately what I'm sure thing can go through have Steve seems to 12 I don't think it's super you see that's the problem cut okay so a couple additional items the warming drawer warming drawer smoke that you just drop has a female but sometimes they are deep the regular oven sometimes they're actually built into the cabinetry question is how you treat it and Clint of Hyneman you have to treat it like a standard oven the temperature goes above 120 and it's thermostatically controlled meaning the open the door the idea will escape cold air will come in you will precipitate the the heating / going on and it's above the Isolators so you have to act accordingly with warming drawer and the last item is induction cooking which is a sort of new type of cooking essentially whereas a microwave activates water molecules food induction cooking activates iron molecules in the iron pot so you making the pot hot and the hot pot makes the food in the pot hi so it's not good for shabbos or young because as soon for require it goes off the safety reasons there's no more energy in the induction coil what you think the pod off but you can cash it and it avoids fish a lot o bring this up some I know my son works in a nursing home and they have induction cooking so that people that I can through their voice visual artists who have these induction cooking stations so that not have to worry guy eats up food for a for a patient so what's that people are working without shadows has the same all authenticity of it you could put the food in there before shabbos and open it once take everything out the clothes bro right now you have to worry about whether it's on or off some people sort of mix up the warm grow up with the plot apply that is not that hot as no controller santak you would just a constant temperature but the kind of kind of the warming drawer is a similar absolute commence water would stand up it's not a normal method of cooking we rub more but it's not a Roman what should i shouts mode and just time babe statically anything different or just will be late when you're in Diabate going to shut off its regular open with the timer to it shuts off channels but you also preset how long it's going to be on well using the Tyvek inch of snow so it doesn't so most of the time time pace has it as a signal at the end that you canceled the first open the door so in the shower so we will avoid that signal right where's Martha thermostatic control it's the same thing all the same that's right anyone without frigerators the signal is ago with me oh it's just there's a bell that rings all the time until you open the door the first time you open door you cancel the bell or you cancel it I time I know you shut off the light on Chavez it's a light it's a lying rebelled usually both I'm actually will seduce an additional Clara and yes that's right not as that is not a problem as necessarily just this thing with the pelvis into the red star the truth is I've never used the lace okay I've have interact this before it should work but practice before ok so if I have a few minutes not too bad let's with little refrigerators and then I guess rubble sweet so what is it a refrigerator it's amazing so the frigerator is the clothes is a closed system where there's a used to be free on is some are you something are there and essentially as far as our logic concerns the main problem is is up here in this course yeah the main problem is up here in the evaporator where essentially the cold comes and it builds up ice and it turns up ice is that an insulator so the ice need to be melted that's called the defrost cycle okay so that's an issue these days across cycle so okay so so little refrigerator the common problems the band's the light cycle icons the alarms or sense of change there's all kinds of stuff that goes on in a frigerator legal one company that put a computer monitor on the integrative door I think they did away so and then there's a question of the compressor opening the door when can you open the refrigerator the different opinions I will say this those that have a stockade certification we put a delay in when you open the door you never immediately trip to the president go on lately there's been a specially Samsung and LG have magnetic switches it's the same switch as a spring-loaded switch except it's a magnet that pulls the switch that you don't see open and close so if you buy a samsung LG hopefully the salesman can tell you where the magnetism not running around the door frame or the magnet my next which may be on a hinge upsides are fringe area on the top left to right and don't forget even have switches on the the French door on the left side right side and on the freezer what is it talking to come where compact cuz you'll put a small magnet there and you'll fool it you'll fool them as if we close the hole what's in it should perform properly okay I some water dispenses out okay the open both doors open one door to run the magnet around and when the light goes off to have a place because really the magnet is in the door and it actually opens the switch when you close the door just make sure it stays on it doesn't get pulled off and the way okay I somewhat expensive once again somebody's house I sort of using the cold water on shabbos so I said he I don't know what I was saying doing out prevention a I did didn't throw me out it's not like a water faucet when you turn the water on it's just a hydrostatic pressure that forces the water out but there are solenoids or switches you put on a little pumps that pump the ice out in the water out so you really cannot use the regular buttons to spill out the the ice and the water okay so what about a defrost that's sort of the item that is of concern the way it works is in this evaporator coil that I showed you ice builds up so there's a wire that's wrapped around the why our Terms to glowing red to melt the ice so and to save energy what the frigerator companies did they have a clock that goes on in a certain amount of time to keep the evaporator to melt the ice however to save energy they run the clock and electricity only when the compressor is running okay so the more the compressor runs the more time is allowed to the clock the sooner the clock will print and heat and the wire will come Khloe so as an issue of Rama Barra on shabbos what we do with the star K is when you switch to the shadows mode it's our clock every eight hours that's what the company chooses it goes on the heating cycle never spected of whether the compressor runtime people paint hours or not so bad it is an issue that's what i was saying here that the automatic defrost runs a compressive online and a glowing heating element and now some of the frigerators especially the GE that have frost guard there you also count the door openings and the light so if you take down the door switch won't have door openings to count however like a 3-day other like we have coming up Lewis you have 72 hours where it will not defrost that often because it thinks the doors always closed we have to be a little bit careful about that ruining your refrigerator when you take down the door switches the Oprah frigerator two years ago why would I probably memory time right what's that the old refrigerator didn't have to cross them they lasted for many years well those are the manual defrost there's no problem because your your mother or grandmother would just turn their for data office note the ice right and then start again so but now it everything's more sophisticated the ice will build up and only belt based on the algorithm stay put when there's caressa runtime or thing is that this during that three-day on to be work three days are you family doesn't know the doors open for three days it'll defrost them to full time of duty 60 hours so willing to cross every 60 hours it should be the crossing roughly every 15 10 and 20 hours we will have too much ice buildup if your refrigerator uses that algorithm most it up geez dude the shots Chavez law we take care of the problem because the pro cycle is basic correct most advanced deny shopping regular right they also have this problem they have their it's only running with a compressor the rods problem that's correct if you think those which is not going to help do it I got greatness except to what their child is no champions little jobs I didn't say that there's rope that's a valid conclusion but the nerve of work around me but why is it worse than opening an oven when it's cool that you might be on the email why she left again you open up a minute walk run it might be stopped come on correct your much your back that you cook too right white would this be worse if that's a lot worse why would be worse to have a grandma bara here yes grandma very much in case you could ask the Arab I'm okay the GE count only door openings are also pressed around 5i that's the question I think it actually does both it run length of door opening number of door opening taking down the slippery not a full day later right but it may be a little more doe regular canoeing buying county with door openings okay very often we get this question this is a physics question there's good news especially you have a new freezer when you open the door the cold air pulls out hot air goes in and Javier gets cooled down creates a vacuum and nature abhors a vacuum so it sucks air in to the frigerator freezer as hard as possible less of which sound that you hear is absolutely talk about a problem that road sounds like it should be if you don't believe then unplug your freezer refrigerator and open the doors and close it you'll hear the same wish okay and okay this is what I'm finished okay okay this is a little more fun ok so this is what that I came up without without authorization essentially I don't know you you read what's going on but probably will have self-driving cars but certainly by the year 2020 which is not that far away and so the question is a lot of people oh sorry sorry sorry so the question for the audience is what's going to happen we have these help driving cars which you can follow the prompts and made up schedule can you use them on Chavez go to shul rhodiola rebuttable decided is probably relatively soon and the final is just a comment as and everything I'm going to get philosophic but simple you buy the better off you are the less issues you have with technology if you buy simple and the one thing I put on the bottom here this is something that's come our attention because of new houses are built much tighter if you have let's say a three-day young to have gas cooking appliances there's a good chance you know to local carbon dioxide so make sure you have good ventilation near your so if it's on the whole time so that you don't go the carbon dioxide and nothing to play around okay good evening rabbi side I'm going to speak about topics left without the map do with a locker tonight I haven't come to this era Turner to baskin each house from you we are plenty of Tuscan but there are so we've done the Sakae has done some things to make life easier for eating if you are a bun will go along with it so then you could be the beneficiaries of it of course you can have to pay for them how do we start out with this we got a call from whirlpool in dayton ohio that someone that's where the labs were that someone had bought this stove and after 12 12 hours it went out so it called us whirlpool and complained says that there's a safety feature in case you leave your oven on by mistake can you go away so then you have to worry because the oven is going to go out automatically after 12 hours so they wanted to know from us how do they fix this what what can they do so that was the first problem which they had so we said you need an oven that's going to be able to be set for 72 hours there's two days on Twitter shabbos you need that so of course they're it still goes on 12-hour but an hour limit but you can put it into the sabbath mode they would want to point sabbath mode and it'll go for 72 hours if you put it into the sabbath mode but there's other there were other problems when we looked into this a little bit so we found other problems one problem is that when you're probably doing like was on you close it like goes off we had problem down the display it said the many of the models that said 240 degrees Doran 3220 Isaac ah kula is this so you actor in the display with sometimes with incited a dipper of when you open the door so then we heard this temperature readout and other displays was a head over there and then there was the problem that Mossad and salsa who the tomahawk wants you to know he knows what about he's an engineer he said that there was a problem that you ready mentioned it that when you put into time bait that means you are finite first you want to have hot super hot meat whatever it is but you don't want to happen to be on the whole shabbos so you put it on so shoppers now is about ten o'clock you beating your main meal so you put the oven on until ten o'clock and then after that it goes out automatically you don't need it anymore okay so the problem was that when the time came to take out the food a bus that goes on and it goes on and it goes on and goes on to the end of shops so that was another problem which we had so we went and took care of all those problems we made what basic what we did is we made this fancy oven into an old fashioned oven we took away all the things I've all making problems so it's no difference from an old fashioned oven and whatever you couldn't do with an old fashioned avi can't do this heaven either so the same dinner Shahir the same thing about how hazara if there's anything lat Mona it's the same thing with this out nothing changed as far as Allah who goes or even as the practical application goes we took away the problems whatever you couldn't do before you couldn't do know you now there were some added problems some air problems term which for everything I've said till now I don't think there's any not track any high like no two days about it it just doesn't exist anymore when you're if you put into the sabbath mode with the light was whether it was on you for open the door and you put in South Road the light state on the whole showers when the old open that are closed it if you put it into the sabbath mode when the light was off the doors closed the whole shower so you open up close that it stayed close there's nothing over so we didn't do a there were no solution have now there was something else there another safety feature that when you open the door the light goes off the five goes off when you close the door the fibers on again okay so this is a this episode safety feature when you have door opens there shouldn't be any fire and when you're closer than going again so this was a problem for us classf ramin that you open the door another fire when you close the door put another five it was a big problem so I want to mention something which is negated this issue from China Salman said inside of Russia has a whole country's on opening refrigerators on Chavez he's said you can open refrigerators on channels why because he says that when you open the refrigerator what you do when your refrigerator now I'm not the likely put in my out you screwed right out which not always season to do it not easy to do it in the oven because Ivan there has to be it has to be protected from the heat in the oven but the feed rate is pretty easy to screw out the bulb and the light will not go on if you have this work by this door switch if you can depress keep the door switch depressed it will not be a problem but the prowl was that when you open the or of the refrigerator you're the cold air goes out the room temperature goes in which is considered warm air for refrigerator and because of that it's good the motor is going to go on the motor of the king it needs to be kept cooler because the warm air just came in and let's say you set your refrigerator to 35 degrees so when you open it up it went down to 33 degrees so the telus that is going to put the motor off fun the temperature on up okay I stand corrected so V the temperature goes up and so you want to get it down cause you want to keep it at 35 degrees so you're causing the motor to go on that's a question you cause the motor to go on server of Shawna's almonds has the following says which one of the 39 molossus is electricity is it saraya is it cuts ax doesn't seem to be any one of the three night walkers so has nish was maharaj that electricity is Boehner and slicer when you switch it on you're making a current well you're making a circuit and when you switch it off you're breakin summit okay so i must say that until the houseless came around and they had electricity reply Mouser did not think of that he said to the problem Xbox and the other acronym who speak about it don't care out that that is mean to say there's not right just because no one else thought of it but there was it was original let's put it that way but I'm not here to give any opinions on one has nish and I want to say the phone the block of electricity is not so much on the list but the sensations half a minute the legs the malach electricity is not so much the flow of electricity but what it accomplishes so if you have a grinder the works by electricity a meat grinder and you put meat into the grinder even though y'all do anything like crazy doing it but you're harnessing the power of electricity and now you have done a Milwaukee the ricer of of Titan with electricity if you have a vacuum cleaner and you back on the floor you may be over on the lawmen because even even though they're trizzy doing it you're helping but it's um but that's if you do a malaka with the power of electricity is like Zara for Rasmus iata you throw something a mixture of carnival wheat kernels and the chaff into the wind and the wind separates them so your iphones are you've harnessed the natural use a natural something which is in the bunch when the beam you harnessed it to do offer so so so when we're dealing with the electric motor we have a motor running what malaha are you harnessing to do you have a cut in a in a refrigerator of a compressor it takes gas and compresses it and makes it into a liquid so is there malacca dress over here ok so past us this is what are some zone names on and many other one of them on that electric power is only drop honor and the reason why it's rubbin on white even a drop honor is as time Moses says because every motor has sparks in it it is possible to make them over that sparks but in general they have sparks every light switch from when it gets close enough the positive to the negative it's going to jump across and it makes a smart that spark is considered H it's not a lot of the ricer it's some lava change circle goofer situational initially you're not interested making in sparks very subtle things to make a drop boner but it is it's osman upon now now some songs is another thing it says in the Camorra that you know how to do a lock on Chavez wahoo who'd also how gramma motor if you just cause something to happen it is what America the actually this this is brought down truck now similar you on a down by the Home Office of songs housewife month on catches on fire if you have to put it out so you're not put the fire out but if you are something is burning you're allowed to put water around it just a tablecloth guard to put water or something they want to wash it around it so when if I guess little girl so it's that's considered a grommet alright so mr. bruce says it's not only by key buoy but it's all the walkers grammar is madam in a tighter but there are more says the grammar is only much of a mahkum seder that's what their mothers now the rom are guarded from a robina girl in the bar high and toss ass on him it's a Dacia food but we go with Rama so much says that that's how it is so that that's how to structure amazon says that for sure there are more was only mattered though grumbles only motive of them say that if it's a grammar other deruyter but if it's a grammar of a drab on on then said and that's the basically the head of his refrigerator that he's smart refrigerator says we're when you open the door you cause the thermostat which in those days was like a a tube with a liquid inside a liquid expanded when it got warmer and by expanding it made it cause a switch to go on and say says that it takes time from till this happen till that happens it's a grammar and since it's a drop on on with quote them because your motive to go on and therefore it is what if that's his hat now the but it doesn't that take care of the house a nation's problem so close I'm wrote he asked the hostage the question now the of course the has nish lived to play Brock and some Zalman was in initial I am so how do you get from they brought two schlongs today's no problem you didn't took on you jumping up on you go those days I think we've shown as almost 20 years old when he ate were asking the question maybe even less he wrote the house initial letter and asked him a question on his schita that says that he says that making electric current circuit is also buena and the answer the questions like this if you have a folding chair you'll have to open it on Travis you have to close it on Travis we don't say when you open it you made a chair when you closed it then it is not a cherry moors these show you have a door in a room we don't say when you open the door you broken down part of the wall and when you close it you made the wall there are ma says they have a roof on your sucker that you open up when it's a good weather and you close when it rains you'll have to do that because it's made that way to open a close so he asked them that why don't we say the same thing like Christie it's made to open up close you switch it on you switch it off and so therefore what why is it possible to say that it's us because of violence I said that was the question cause this incident also no letter husbands are like this well you have let's say a vacuum cleaner so you need it to vacuum your floor so you need electricity to to run your vacuum cleaner when you finish vacuuming the floor do you need to switch it off no you don't need to switch it off you going to switch it off because you don't want the matter vacuum cleaner to make all this noise you don't want the vacuum cleaner to book get one out you don't want it to use of electricity for no reason we don't need it off it says adore you need it open when you want to go in you need a closed when you want privacy or when you want the heat or air conditioned to work you have a chair you want it open where you want to sit on it and you want to close when you want to put it a sword away in the closet you have a roof on your sucker you want it open when this when is the sun shining and you want it closed when it's raining so you want it in both ways but let Chrissy only need it to work so not to work you don't need it so that's not considered the same as these things that's what I answer oh so chamizal said based on this if you have a thermostat in a refrigerator you told my refrigerator what does the thermostat do how's that she that's a said it to 35 degrees family so it's it's it will make it get cold until 34 when you go to 34 it's it shuts off and then slowly against warmer until gets 36 then it goes on till 34 that goes back to 36 and keeps on going that way since you want this electricity to go on to keep it cool and you wanted to go off there you shouldn't get too cool because otherwise everything will freeze are you don't want it to freeze so therefore you says that okay even appointive has an ish there will not be any problem over here of Boehner and sasa because it's like a door that's what he says okay now based on that let's get back to our ovens the ovens you open the door safety feature it goes off so you made it go off when you close ill go on it's a big problem what we did we put in a delay Latin I random delay or we put in a delay then when you open it up it will not go off right away when you close it would not go on right away so how does that help us when you if you open it up it won't go off right away so it's a grammar of kibble but this QE number one is only drop on because there's no pepper so that locked in CERCLA before but besides that there's another point of here which I'm going to say in a minute when you close it it goes on and now it's a gram of a derisive so therefore I've said already before all these new things came out you can never when you when you open up an oven say fri night you have to take everything out of one shot because you don't take it everything is true it's a gram you you're causing it to go on again if you want it your core is a Brahma the de-icer which is also unless it's more Malcolm sada and this is not considered Malcolm Seder but if you take everything out then it's a mob scene SI loogu fur it's a special anyway there's all kinds it's only drop honor it's a gram of a troponin and the contraband on we are summer on the that it is mutter even without Malcolm Seder as a thumbs down says ok now I'm talking specifically in the case of the shop smoke so the because now before there was any of these newfangled things when you opened it up it didn't go off you caused it to to burn longer because it got cooled off but it didn't go off right away the new ones they go off right away it's all right mr. on sun goes off right away if it doesn't have a sabbath mode and it goes on right away with if he calls for it when you close it but in the sabbath mode we've changed that that it will never vote on right oh it will never go off right away whenever one right away so it should be a grandma of a Jovana but even though out all this whenever you open up your causing the you're causing the cold air to get in and it would cause more heat and if you want that heat there was really no Hector I mean I shouldn't says no hit this atom but it's not a head to the most people of silicon and therefore you always had to take everything out of the oven at one time today we're not dealing with such a fancy same thing the same thing if there wasn't a problem when you opened up went off that wasn't the problem but the promise you're causing the fire to burn longer so that was the same problem there for you always before all this you had to take him yeah I take everything out at one time I've we're here two ovens a different story but in turn the same oven you better take a few now when you opened it so then it didn't go off right away before all these new things happen but you this room air is going in which is cool and so therefore it needs more heat to get to the desired temperature which you had so there's a problem now that's all once they have thermostats now if you want to go back before that thermostats so then there was said then it was a completely different then it didn't make any difference you opened it closer they don't burn to the same amount of heat and there was no problem hun where the time say everything everything I want yes you are the same problem we don't have the same solution that if you that if you with Allison with the savage sounds known it's a groomer yes it's it was even a problem to take out because if you open it up so then your turn enough you mean if it got a guide to open it up and I before there are dozens oh yeah yes it is it would have been a problem okay so there is maybe someone who's Mako who says that when you the fires burning and it's going to go out at a certain time be when thumbs that will shut it off and now you have changed that time when it will win or close it so it's not considered that you have added fuel to fire you stop the thing which is going to the thumbs that's going to stop it you stop that and that's not considered mom there are nothing like that but I don't think it's fairly good well the delay has to be at least more than tackle a table that's for sure because total Gibbs consider my service office the Morris says if someone's sown that rough on son died and he talked creator clear by afterwards the choir says is considered creo Amish it's concerned about suckers as we least at least that more but you know you what you doing you do already beer ever why isn't why well it's says so in the trip not just on the show cannot like it since the fire coming and you put something around the fire there did that be don't touch the fire it's going to come there in a minute it's considered a trauma okay so this is a this is a good question that you asking us to do to become haha but i have to android my friend or foe miller agrees with you but i must say that I I don't see that way and tell you why anything that he does that he can't that that there's no way that with the five senses that they're bunch of gave us that we can perceive it it's not as if as if it exists that's why we're at each ease you know there are bacteria that make the cheese fiancée any bacteria Rama has a sugar that says that if you have a bug insect you can't see said it's not instant we don't have to reckon sup with it but romesha says then he thinks it is knighted to think that even you can see it but you can't see that it is a bug it'll cover back spot you can see it clearly BTW you can't see it's a bug that's awesome with him because the same smart and eclairs bakab orbitron your embryo so well but i'm not trying to fool us if there's no way you can see that it's a bug so then how does a bunch of inspectors to be careful about it so the halacha is that if you have two letters next to each other in a safer Tyra their clothes and when you look at it carefully you see that they're not touching but if you don't work with a magnifying glass you see that they are touching you don't go by the magnifier you go by the way we see it so what did the other way around if when you look at it carefully you see that it is that it is touching and with vampire glass you see that is not touching it's possible because we go by the way that their buns on gave us the say ho our five senses when you figure at fillin how they have to be square so there's a sheer of house where they have to be don't have to be perfect as matter of fact our social themselves you take a look at it and you see if you look square that's good enough how much has a different share it does not be perfect a safe once told me via came to him and said please make me a pear phone but I want it they should be hundred percent square I'm going to measure I'm telling you now I'm going to measure with a micrometer and I pay you ten thousand dollars knows a ten-thousand-dollar money and he said out for pear bottom it says I will I'm kamesh it if you can get me it made me a pair that's the exactly square I'll give you ten thousand dollars so the the bottom our main Merce bottom he measured with the micrometer he had made me fall down a little bit he got it exact so the heat comes in I said you haven't soon yes here's the tone she takes out his micrometer starts measuring and he said it's a tenth of a millimeter off so the cypher said one minute you went and put them by the window for five minutes they said measure it again now it's perfect now is perfect what's a trap and it's a living thing you letters as a living thing so yeah when it's got valid riders so then it says it's impossible to be equal that of exact puffing all the time not possible so what does that mean that you have to make sure before you put on your clothes the morning you measure it and maybe put in by the window or something no we don't go we don't blow it doesn't work that way so now the thing is like this what was the person you asked me yes right it's not a grown-up pic why because the question is not a drama why is that because when you open when you opened up the the oven door so it's going to go off right norther would have gone off right away now there's a message being sent to the computer that you should let's go up in 30 seconds so forget about ok I understand and the going off in 30 seconds is abramo but I'm saying a message now this is what my good friend or flour mill was tiny so I say like this how do you know that it sent a message how do you know that you could see it you could hear it you could taste it you can feel it there's you can smell it there's no way hey what's that we know that it's happening we know what's happening it doesn't matter if you know what's happening they're all the things with our five senses could you tell just like with a magnifying glass we don't go by what's with the magnifying glass not that we don't trust the magnifying glass magnetron guys trying to fool us we know that it's a mess doesn't matter social circle doesn't mean anything it's not four seconds with the magnifying glass to this it says it says garnished it's gone who else goes to right around reasons but doesn't make any difference the Tyner is you sending a message to the computer that's the time oh there's a there's it's nice when it goes at random the computer has a random in it all right yeah they're not so cute computer has the random it's what doesn't make any difference okay so that's why it's my feeling that there is no problem over here with sending a measure to computer and I'll tell you something that I'm sure that all of you have been signed off on this flora because you can't walk around in a city anymore in the United States where there's no cameras around and yo and you're walking into it into the field of a camera and your draw in your pictures coming up on the computer no not in a monitor it's coming up on a computer which is going to a memory which if they want at a later date they can bring it up it's happening all the time it's all the same Hetar the same vector is because there's no way that we can tell with our five senses that anything happening only with the social and settle doesn't mean anything fun it is if know if there's a man if there's a monitor because a much more difficult Rhonda I heard that drove oh yeah ship acid people from going to the castle because of this reason until they fixed it and what did they fix what the offense like this ragazzo held I spoke to myself about this if you have to walk in front of a camera he said what would be if you would stay in front of the camera the whole day would your picture be on the camera or does the camera go from one site to another site automatically or does the monitor go from one camera to another camera like it doesn't very expensive if it's not a picture which is Miss kind by itself so then he said that you could be made but if the visual which is was kind of kin so he probably told them put it off a couple times in shabbos so that 45 seconds or whatever he wanted and that's the way how I was with me he held you cannot go to the coastal for that reason okay um okay so let me just just saying that refrigerators if you want you can buy a frigerator that doesn't have any of these problems called a Danby fridge I know if you're going to happen with it but it doesn't use electricity to defrost the coils it uses its own heat that's generated from the compressor to it so we don't get all their dumb intern program and said now the two things there is a sabbath mode which is approved by the stock a and there's a status bar mode which is not approved by the stockade when I say start with our sake we have nothing do with it there was a company it was the GE GE that we gave me extra for a few years 5 10 years something like that and then they said we shall pay perhaps sure we will do it ourselves the things are changing all the time so maybe they knew what we did in the past I don't even know that if they did that they called this outlaw they could call the stock a Sabbath no but the the things are changing we're getting into problems every now and then and hopefully you will be able to fix all the problems we should have tried to enforcement but the I mean we'd like we deal with the many hundreds of models you know so it's it's like sometimes you see from a caches organization that the recall so what kind of caches organization is this that they can't keep tabs on what's going on so I say like this you know bra fashion we're all L heating over here does it ever happen that we ever saw in the kitchen and if someone has a shot in the kitchen is he ashamed to go to the raw and sadder shot I want you to know if so I never asked any shila's the Rope has a question where these really shoma cautious or not how come he never has a shower we're human beings so it can happen over if it's they have a social status why no other solid it's not better but there's no question about that but a scosh eyes doesn't mean that the robes can look down at then say you have a shower you know the real human beings so we do in one kitchen and the master casaya so the some cars organizations deal with 5000 kitchens so you should never sign on one of them if they don't have any shiners I have a question of whether this is really such a great caution civilization or not that's my personal opinion ok so the but in order to work out a refrigerator that massage also spoke about it is a major whole of the whole system it's not that we make it go oh ya later something like that a new system is put in there to defrost the coils on shabbos it was completely different and so they already put it into the most expensive models right now is that true yeah then this fence model but when they put it into the ovens the sabbath mode they also put in the expensive models and sevilla it spread to all of them so mr. Sharma hopefully that will happen over here sir now i want to say if you don't have this and it's already twenty years that they've been doing this and the reason why they did it why they changed because you can save yourself maybe a dollar a year of electricity if you do this because sometimes of the figure is closed the whole night if it went on an hourly basis let's say if we went every four hours in went 0 for 15 minutes if you know the frigerator all night you didn't need it because the nothing condensed on the clothes you don't open the door so they figure they can save themselves more electric they would save the cosmo electricity now you have to put it settle on every appliance they use up this in this amount of electricity so if you divide 160 8769 dollars per year so then this is mama sure the Scimitar bricklin develop we are so happy that we got this big bargain over here so the that's why they changed it so to change it back for was not easy but if you do but if you have this new system ready which they've been in place ready for about 20 years they're eight sir what to do is to open and this is what my receiver like Russia Shiva's a la the pratha the bar mission sound what he said when we asked him can we open the fridge right we asked him that so robust she finds it also has a children's can open refrigerator the future has done new things being around for a few years he said I think he didn't he knew all the workings of refrigerator I doubt it he said you have a shower open it with a shiney now if you open with a shinny then even though you're going to be causing the defrost it doesn't matter because it's when want you to be shooting sunday drop honor and and a drama well the drop on and so some zone / said that that's what the even without a seder look let me tell you something when you cut when we come up to a hundred after twenty years the message from ours not going to make any caloocan whether it's a vaca de riser with shin-soo to make sandra button or whether it was not college about and you have a drop on I'm not you let me know whoever it was was overdrawn so the it's the same minus so I don't think it's going to make any difference I mean if you don't have a cell phone oven and it opens closes well we're saying that when you close it I mean back over the South mode you don't leave the food enemy how awesome a montane anyway the I said how awful amante the anyway so this is it's not how you close the album with a sugar your foot you and your code when your foot during the week which hand you over which hand you all do frigerator with the right hand on the left hand so which one you do it with the right angle left hand it depends when you want to put things back in the frigerator you open up with your left hand when you put taking the average a yacht you open it with your right hand nice try the French doors because Savior put things back you're holding the food in your right hand so you got over the left hand when you want when you want to take things out you know all the other things he open right you don't make a it's so easy maybe what you can do with the refrigerator maybe put a towel around the around the handle and maybe yes I'm saying I'm saying of course they build their own time we tell us if you take two things out at the same time you cause with your foot that it says pushing anyway so what romesha says something else romesha says you should get a clock and this is now being Messire now with a clock that shuts it off let's say if 10 minute it goes on five minute goes off you open it when it's off when you're in trouble in to go off you can't even do anything cuz there's it's off and then when it goes on it'll work maybe a break stone well I'm not getting into that I'm getting into our lawful study know so I'm saying it is not a hundred percent ater to do this because if you would leave the frigerator close so let's say we take over it goes on it goes on for five minutes and where the saying goes off at 10 minutes so that was that okay let's say I tell forget okay so let's say it goes on for 10 minutes and goes off of five minutes with soph you can take everything out it is true that you're not and when you take anything out you're not causing em anything to do it because it's off it's switched off but if you didn't open it it is you talkin that it would not go for another 10 minutes because it's cool enough that it doesn't need any more cold at this point now it doesn't need it you don't want it so therefore it's the only reason why I went on when it switched on when during those 10 minutes is only because you opened it up before so you're still being good and the thing to to go on so therefore it's not such a greater and not just a breath but what you want to do I want to put off for two hours and then but not great now do you want to have for your food should be okay or not I mean that's what I've two hours i think that bad but even so it doesn't make any difference I mean it may make a difference by the end of shabbos it may make a difference by the end of the shelves but now I'm Friday night anyway it's not guaranteed I don't I maybe you're going anyway but depending on the room temperature on the other related to you whatever else it could be other other translators but it's not a guarantee that everything is going to be according to the locker just because you take it you maybe you only open it when it's off okay rabbi science is other any questions you have been set up to go on afterwards that's what every drama is set up that way why is pushing the river yes because the shabbos which is a grammar and it's a grammar of a derisive iOS acident yes it's I'm not not a partial demolition everybody is consideration the night reverse are you joking where the other flavors are you open the doors off claims on there a problem making it flame like in a better cleaner environment than difference better oh those lonely longer or stronger so does it burn stronger and our burst of fresh air goes into the flame mr. flame a woman's the same fingers a lot if you open up a woman Travis you like everything happened warmer warmer almost like enough it's like an oven so everything keeping up one finger amazing what am I thinking saying this years ago for these reasons to listen laughs it's a putty knife you don't Chavez vistana villages barrels that we take it the partner there are locks on your medicines temperature example the roses I mean my love the quotas are considering to turn a pest mcknight a very fast I asked an electrician he told me that when you drive through 60 miles an hour through easy pass Albany sees it as let's go if you guys paid 60 100 miles away right it doesn't affect it's the same thing I'm tiny it's not a spark nobody knows wat you can look you can see you always see when there is none for sauce for ya I don't know that but ones you can do it before it gets to that Chavez a great job of electrons that attacked my family make mistake even in shabbos knows i have about a double-double fridge public tours and i accepted the light bulb is going to go on on one of the rooms stop this happen you might like to pick a night stick it in and hold down the switch and then open the door let me pull my my shaft of the door switch I have a sadist something to click to keep the thing that's open my letter take a knife open the Wonder let's go take a knife stick it in hold down the plunger well then plunge our switch open the other door and then slide the switch on keep it close there is no movie history the switch the robberies in the US House basement