05-30-2018 Annual Kosher Travel Edition

hello and welcome to star K's monthly webinar held the last Wednesday of every month at 12 noon I'm Roberts V Kohlberg your host and today we have again rabbi dovid heaven seanix and welcome back as we ever thank you for coming and today we're going to discuss travel issues our annual travel discussion people are sitting down and getting ready for the summer plans and it's time to to plan out your travels if you want to join us by telephone the number is two one eight eight nine five one two zero three again two one eight eight nine five one two zero three passcode twenty twenty pound these these recordings are archived on our site at star - K dot o-r-g slash videos so you can find all our past discussions over there if you have any questions you can email us at info at star - Kor G okay we want to start our behavior at the beginning and the planning stages people often sit down this time of year and they they want to plan out their vacations and on a Shabbos afternoon right along Shabbos afternoon sitting in their air conditioning house and discussing with the family where they're going so what kind of issues could that could that bring up okay so that's an excellent question again planning is uh probably half the fun of travel is the is the planning of it deciding where to go where not to go how to go etcetera and that leads to a lot of issues of particular Chaves or or onion if there's a pasta in staffordshire that speaks about the comment of Shabbos Institute in the honor of Shabbos instituted by the review by the prophets actually it's interesting that plastic is said by many people during kiddush and it's also part of the hospital Kippur and the words Arvid Aberthaw are and it's part of a extended plastic but the classic term diaper Dover refers to speech on Shabbos our speech how we speak on Shabbos is different than how we speak during the week and parenthetically the Rambam learns out looks from a vertebra it's interesting everybody knows a book says books are tangible so the ramp-up says we see that the devii of the prophets said we should be careful of what we speak which is intangible for sure what you handle should not be weak - so you see it's so important that the whole laws of books are built upon this anyway a shop is there really two types of things that one is not two general categories one it would be business which would clewd business doesn't only include you know how much taxes they owe or not or how could you know tax loopholes that's certainly a problem but even a small business meaning every every person every home is also a business because all of us spend money we buy we purchase things we look for sales etc all of that type of discussion is prohibited a shop is so for example if two people are sitting saying oh you went last year to California in the summer or you went to to Canada and you flew oh that's great how much did you pay how much your tickets you know oh there's a sale going on on this Airlines that's great you know where we could get all the sales till Tuesday all you know what that's a clear violation of discussing it's prohibited that our opponent to discuss it and even if there's not money involved for example used one type of miles people of miles all you get a free ticket you know to Alaska we're using miles if you if you sign up for this credit card and you get this miles you spend this amount of money that's a whole if all that's but even I didn't mention any money you're just saying 20,000 miles to here it's all you get a cheaper ticket this one's only 10,000 miles international tickets all of that is prohibited and that in planning trips again half of the discussion it's very often what's the cost how much the hotel's gonna cost gonna cost how much flights are gonna cost that's one aspect but you could talk about where you want to go because correct you can if I want to go to the Florida I can say I want to go to Florida because the office because you couldn't actually walk there so technical way of walking correct so then did you tell us the second category or subcategory within dabra dabra you're not allowed to say I'm going to do a LA tomorrow unless unless it's a Bar Mitzvah its unless you're going to to you know go for a bit of people either going to someone who's ill um and wanna make arrangements but to say I am driving tomorrow I ain't driving to New York tomorrow would you like to come with me I am but we the lawn tomorrow I am sewing I am baking I am shopping okay there are none of those are business of Atomics business but as far as I'm mowing the lawn tomorrow some business I'm just going I'm planting I'm planning to go flowers tomorrow that is AB allaha even it's an alternative to rice up you're not allowed to plan ahead or even met make mention of I will be doing that a lot of tomorrow any people now do you want to say something permissible on Shabbos so for example you can say I'm gonna visit you tomorrow cuz I could have visited you today can I here's here's the salt so with that said to say I'm driving to New York I'm flying to New York I'm flying to California let's fly how we gonna get there we'll drive lievable track light light well leave Sunday morning will dry the first day disables then second day we goes right to Denver but the long days that's uh it's fifty miles a day I'll Drive you'll drive by three drivers all of that is prohibited to plan and speak about on Shabbos you are less we go get relevant real now right now but here's the loop here's the catch which is a cool something that is potentially permissible on Shabbos you lot to say so for example this here in a city without an a roof you're allowed to say I'm going to bring you you know you want to borrow this I have I have something I want to bring over tomorrow and the pictures I want to show you tomorrow so today you can't do it because there's no everything but since had there been an era of the action bringing it to your house is potentially permissible there for you lot to say that and so to my travel this am going to LA tomorrow is permissible now Los Angeles is out of the total Baltimore by the tune of about 2500 miles but potentially they could build up all way back to working on it right there's a lot of little build up all the way there so it's theoretically okay correct okay so this is a career conscious organization so you we can't leave off the cash cruise issues when you're going out to nowheres land you gonna want to check out it's also my subconscious actually once sent to I was working on an article and I sent an email to the South Pole okay but murder I think it's called a Myrtle station never been there I did send an email and I asked them if they have kosher food there anything with kosher symbols and the fellow wrote back yeah so even in the South Pole you can get kosher kosher meat but once that bear Alaska the same you know it's the northern tip of Alaska working on the same article and the person wrote me back Shalom Aleichem turns out he was not Jewish but he had had Jewish people he dealt with her knew that that line so I was very very okay there's this question of people who know about culture anywhere you're gonna go okay so what's the first step to when you're going to a town you don't know you know you're not sure of what's there call the star care I guess that's part of it again obviously part of it depends on um are you going to a big city or a little city let's talk about a little city first in a way that's a bit easier not for kosher but in the plan in what you're dealing with in a small town you're not gonna have you know kosher certifying agency there's not gonna be any country restaurants so you'll have two options you bring your own food or a lot of times supermarkets you'll hunt down items that are packaged items in supermarkets you'd be surprised the advantage of that is that it probably something's come more prepared and you go to the supermarket you see what they have and you could very often you be surprised is what is available of an exchange that carry cost your products in you know everywhere some of the mid grade towns meaning not the largest metropolitan areas have surprisingly you know very very well stocked Russian food you know Oklahoma City years ago before they had an Orthodox Rob had a kosher section twenty years ago before before it had a kosher section we were able to get you know Kent City I was know last summer considered all for the city but they do have packaged items that are you know home Easter all good and shaver month some of the products so be ready when you get there correct well sometimes you do call you could a lot of times both shools on their website today will tell you what's available where and then you could call that supermarket just ask what brands do you carry and so on so that's that's one good thing um the other if you go into a bigger city and they have crush your restaurants one should confirm that the agency that sort of find that facility is its reputable now this gets a little bit tricky um so it's not the most comfortable conversation either we're not here to say anything wrong with anybody but I want to make at one point you could have in a small town you have a Rob who's you know very airless and it does as best as possible but ultimately sometimes they have to rely on leniency which they have the right to rely on just one example which I just mentioned in a shear on Monday is is just example in a nursing home on Shabbos you could have a kosher nursing home but they're relying on a leniency which is permissible and that is you're allowed to interlock I'm asking non-jew to do something for someone who's ill it's permissible on Shabbos so if someone's in hospital you could ask the nurse than that Jewish nurse to heat up the food for this Kyler there's some places that there are small towns that cannot much get in place they're very limited in what they could do so they say shop is how we gonna get somebody in there so what they do is they heat it before Shabbos and then the guy the guy didn't heat up the food on shops for the patients and that's permissible but if you're visiting that facility and they may have a little commissary for guests or they may serve guest food but if you're a good health you can't eat that food right nothing wrong how about to rely on because the rob is doing it for a nursing home we would never start you never allow that but in this small town he has a Shia is permissible but for you for it for the healthy visitor it strafe there's one example but the other corner sometimes I have to be cut unfortunately and and one should really you know look ahead and see is this is this up to the standards that I required for myself is that the standards they would use at home correct you don't want to be more lenient just because you're going all right right that's correct right that's part of the plan in some hotels we'll bring in food like what do we call airline meals right people don't know what airline bills are anymore because they they we were going up to had any airline bills if you flew from here to right but today you gotta go international get that airline meals but there are towels that bring in airline meals catered what is that one thing is you can't because there was a liquidy those airline meals you can't you cannot have them heated up on Chaves and I want something from from an email someone emailed me that so what can you do with those meals I'll tell you there for Shabbos and this is the only food you have so you would think that you take them and you defrost them and that's what you have for a child's right there ready precooked so he said it doesn't work like that I'm not much of a chef but he said your kid just take them and defrost him it's not gonna be terrible what you have to do is you have the hotel or the cruise or whatever heat up to heat it up on air showers on Friday and it's really good isn't that still has to be heated right and then you put it into your frigerator it's like something I left over getting them right you put into your future then you either Thank You kini down chopped so you can't just take it out the freezer and here and defrost it and now it's edibles not it's not it doesn't work I would check ahead also with the hotel she was thinking about talent it's gonna bring you with meals you want to check ahead who's gives actual what the meals are you wanna make sure they come sealed all of those precautions we check in you know make sure besides for discussion here about the audio we do want to take questions if you have you can chat with us over here and put your put in put your questions down in the chat and actually we can do this we can do this yeah here's a question for you I put it up on the screen I recently attended a conference in the room had a full kitchen including a stove and oven with a self clean boat he's running the self-cleaning mode enough to use the oven or did the food still need to be double wrapped but if it's really if it's really is real self clean then self clean is a constituent of an oven and then once it's self cleaned and that's but that really goes to the point of then when you go into a hotel you wanna you know you may have to cos for certain things and correct orders or that you know that's what you're doing there you have to assume any other trade if anybody has any other questions feel free to to chat with us over here parrot says American kosher products are in groceries even Cancun okay right we once had a you once had a possible hatchet down there and and I was in touch with it with the somebody's there to see if he could you know services I was getting ready for my trip to Cancun just to see it fell apart okay okay so that's that's a little bit about I mean there's a lot of things really about hotels that we could talk about it discussed them in the past the sensors in the rooms I think people are aware of those issues a neurology part of this is not your sharpest you're not going to shops is true for shops you know this is something that we just came across behind the whole thing escalators are allowed to be used on Shabbos yeah well right you can use an escalator but there now some of the escalators are trying to be more energy-efficient push the button know when they see when they sense that you're coming so it's it starts up or it goes slow until somebody comes in and then it speeds up so that way it's an energy so those are those are becoming that's all the rooms again what is not a question again is keys you know electrical key on Shabbos and that's permissible to leave by the front desk advance to make up with them right then they open the door for you that would be that's only because opening the doors and there are bullet ask a guy I'm not June to do a lot of 41 yontiff on Shabbos right if it's if it's if there's it so I find it sharp is someone I want to stay in my room right so that would be that would be permissible I mean it's a good opportunity to mention that we have a whole bunch of information available on the web number of articles on travel and as well as some articles in the travel journal there's a whole bunch of information so you could spend you can spend your shop this afternoon pretty tricky mouths beforehand and then Chavez asked me to review all the articles discussing how many miles of is due to Cancun okay daniel has a question is coffee from convenience stores rest stops and kiosks acceptable to purchase without certification okay that's right so that's a good question let's remind ourselves on when you're traveling you can go to any of these places and buy a black coffee without a problems that would include again convenience stores Airlines etc it should be unflavored coffee you know sure but the unflavored black coffee is fine that sugar does not need a half-shirt um if you want to use milk if you're not gonna hold its role then you know developed countries Germany etc including decaf yes be careful it's also fine because o is more of an issue for pizza right even even some of the House Blend house blends regular coffee no problem you know Jamaican blend Jamaican coffee it's just plain coffee coffee granules all that sound problem again the milk you can add if you want now if you want the artificial milk you know part of a milk so most of the soy milks and rice dreams which people use in place of milk most of those have an extra so you just have to ask them to see the Box when it's coming out of an actor it's good to go you know but yet some of the artificial milk non-dairy creamers those those are tricky those need a good nap sure so you have to really examine them you're probably better off you have a better chance of seeing it on a container of sweet milk so so this question you just answer is about half and half right those right dose can be an issue depends on three days right your Korean is not a problem sometimes I don't think is glycyrrhiza things like that I'll give you a problem so you have to read the ingredients getting back to the hotels Johnny wants to sit in the door closes shows up correct so we can be comfortable and then you come in you show up at the desk and they say we need ID there are locks I once looked into this - our locks that lock from the outside of your room it's basically a it goes on the floor it's mechanical with a key and it goes on the floor you put it part of it goes inside your room and part goes outside your room and then you lock it and you can't push the door open anymore there is such a thing that's how you could lock it again some people hit events a lot of shoes a lot of their shoes and the neighborhoods of hotels he says Dority most says door electronic keys cause I like to go on which is the question so yes so number one number one the light that light might not be there right so it's an LED even if it is there rice it's not a problem because the law says I'm your locker was permissible even if a what's called a procedure Asia even if it follow-up activities gonna happen so for example if you your refrigerator you forgot to turn off the light and you know what you open the door the lights could go on that is Amal die right sir however you are a lot to ask guy to open the refrigerator door so you could take out your food even though the lights gonna go on because the light goes on a sec raesha and your ask them to open the door that's permissible even if it's a ricer okay another question here can use a Keurig in hotel rooms so I just added my article that we used to say we used to say that the carafe or a problem because people will come and put whatever they want soup in the carafe and then heat it up and then you're gonna come put your coffee in there that's a problem even though there was a it was a logic to say it's only religious Jews who use bring food to or to a hotel room because everybody else goes out room service and it was at that argument that maybe it really isn't a problem but Ramana felt he shouldn't use it because it's a possibility but now with the admin most most hotels have this one time use pod you know they give you a curry wood and order for someone to use it for a soup they'd have to pour the soup really are sub-queries there are arts to occur and that's so common probably let me give it to you in a motel room right because if someone runs themselves but that that's a far out concern so what I'm sure we spoke about is just running it once and then once that's a good idea right getting on that again it's most likely they have been you know from somebody who use it for some guy right parents says problems you don't know if the coffee pot was used before for flavors so like this flavor first of all the odds of a flavored coffee being tray are slim most flavors are culture even the ones that our strengths are gonna be bottled odds time of flavor and Astor's is very very slim and then even if it does get in there it doesn't I said I sleekly um for various little reasons and I'll get to certainly our day out Silas of I would worry that that trait of flavor components gonna migrate into my coffee the bottom wiser item has told me that if it's a Suffolk flavors beforehand then you could use it in other words because there's so many layers of what to rely on it that it doesn't necessarily tray for Cle between you know nova and it was tray from there and even if it was its bottle flavors and bottle but it doesn't have the ability to trip up the clean do all that you're not worried about one wine by - oh it's alright that answer is Johnny's question not all the coffee pots are kosher does that make it the problem to use the curd well I think the answer is if there's just coffee there even though all the rest of the coffee is not kosher we would say it's okay run it through once clean but if they would be if they would be serving with some of the soups soups can be really not kosher sitting there and Alaska use it that's right you wouldn't you wouldn't want to use it those are I don't think the hotels offer those big box and chocolate also could be used but the odds of that tracing up something is also even though you would want to drink that talk a little it would a hash sure the odds of a nice certified hot chocolate a sermon fiscally relations in that product right look more move on to something else our behavior people go out on the to make a barbecue and they don't want to use the barbecue grill in the park because can't really track right so they take a lot of pork chops they take they take it reportable on a disposable one it is really cold and mongol but you get it at any gas station you go get a couple of mongols and you go to the park you do your your grilling and the question we've been asked is what about Tilos Kalin on the great comes with it okay so let's step back a bit um and that is if you're stuck on the road and you brought everything you brought 90 what new stuff or you didn't buy new stuff you flew somewhere and then you bought it there what so what knives or forks and that's or not throw away especially for barbecue what may one you want metal not you want metal so that waffle is it has to be titled if you have a notion right you're never you're in you know Kitty Hawk Ocean City or whatever it is then then a lot it is you just go to ocean ocean as a viable bigfoot lakes are questions don't know what to sort where the oil like as if it's a lake for example that is based on a river in the dam that would be a lake that would be from a river that would be problematic typically manmade manmade and they like are problematic I remember when I was a kid st. Louis too much ratash tough to link believe it's Creve Coeur Lake which is a suburb of st. Louis and and the park ranger came and said this lake is but I think that's the link we went to but if unless you know what it's you know it's a natural lake that's been there that is caution also but if you don't know or if it's man-made can I probably rivers are tricky you got to go further parts of the river and be problematic bass all right it's complicated if you don't know if you don't have a Mick foot you know you're you're vacationing in Yuma Arizona and there's no legs around there for okay so now you're stuck or you're in a play sweet not bite you don't like you don't know the river you're on the lake you don't know you know so an interesting way around that is is you could give a gift non-jew and then borrow it back okay now this does not work on a permanent basis one time well it's our 30 minute 30 days in other words if you if you give it my Tanya we'd give you up to 30 days that you could borrow it now once you borrow it you can okay fine you can hear it god you haven't got it give all you can to the bay then use it if use an ongoing basis a problem but here you're on a trip you need it now you're gonna get all new label it so that is a great a seat you have to find a guy that's willing to go along with it right and you have to make sure to get it back from the guy well you're done otherwise it's his the guys you know some truck driver on its way to Tennessee and so yeah sure I know I Megan I know rabbi ever got my next-door baby what else is so you have to somehow work out that you could be cutting it back they don't look at you funny you have to be careful you gotta find the right you know you look around that is a viable option a barbecue grill seems to be if it's something that cannot be tell because you're gonna ruin it then it's not prompt so some of these temporary barbecue grills you can't pull off the grade because it's built in its one-time use it's all one one item and the title the whole thing you got that you got the coals in there you're gonna wet the calls in your hole you define if you define it's gonna get ruined so bed back to these back to the the grates on in the parks see Weiss is asking can one replace just the great son regular on a regular so who's talking about that I think to watch out for oil and grease and all sorts of stuff there is a concept of maybe raising another grill record salt an expert in how to set that up to set it up on the trophy grill yeah ways to set up just know what you're doing to make sure that I see you who this asking can those one-time grills be used for yontiff that means you you light it then you let it go out by itself I lighted with a existing flame you take it you're a candle as we look care the fuels eventually it's not I don't know if it's the safest thing to do because it will burn for a while and you can't put it out but if it's in a safe area but sure yeah no I don't think it would be ok ok Feliz Calum on the grill issue an interesting thing we were talking about before Bama what Steele said Derek the few outside era that we're talking about you know typically you're going a campus something's going on a bus and they have a challenge to say to us at Derek in a way where everybody could hear right so there's a problem of saying feel sad on a microphone in fact you cannot be might see somebody through a microphone so that if somebody's saying a microphone you don't need to be you don't say that's not a problem I think my sheva prophecies interesting by cassileth they usually say to the microphone there is that around that hear it without the microphone and all the people in the back I can answer comment I'm up and starve to that minion tripod that I think is the toll about that but let my said that seems to be the bidding but but if you're on a bus and you're standing in the front because people in the back I'm gonna hear you get a mic and I want to be yeah I'm sitting in the back seat and I wanna be guys I can't hear you always the microphone you cannot be my to shamea kalenna which is the concept of being might see me being might see you doesn't work the microphone has to be direct hearing it therefore so what's the basis got a few two people on the bus one in the front one in the middle without a microphone and the front okay whoever yours him he's get the last kid on the bus over Bar Mitzvah and then the person in the middle does the same thing and shine that's that's the way to do it this is a point that I don't think a lot of places know because I mean just when I'm on a bus I'm a possum yes they say please do this and I get drafted to do it okay at that but of course we go to the car people's it'll cetera and of course it should make on you could be my see there's some discussion about that as well for sure be sort of be my see people go distract alright that's beyond our discussion the bottom line is one has ability to be might see somebody in the car and you just have your word you have gas that I'm gonna be but to you you have that's to be don't say and then it works of course the challenges where does it was a dirt right we have a question from you who they're about an airplane the airplane the runway the whole of the airplane is worth us outfit pea so set there they stood there in the air cuz it's not really a tariff so the consensus of many PI scheme is that a runway is a Dara those are Derek and it's also dangerous Derek and it's really other way and your you know you kind of have a town to sort of extend and therefore you should you sit there on the runway now I think there's a difference as follows if your why can't you say it on the way to the airport if you're in the airport if it's JFK JFK JFK you're not leaving town if you live in New York on JFK or LaGuardia for that matter you're not leaving town and therefore you you you can't say to us that they're on the Belt Parkway because you're in town we all have people you're supposed to make it on the way up to in that case the minute is get on the plane staying on the run wedding but you're not to wait till you take off the runway then taxi I would say with a taxi cuz the runway like you know if you get two seconds they're really up in the air and then you get into that shine look at the end then you could save the air if you forgot I say when they start texting pull out of the gate so they start texting on a runway that's what I say why is that outside did home already why isn't our son but it's really well well might said you could you joints with Tulsa they're in the city right so you know but but here it's a little bit out of town to a certain extent because it's a huge airport and essentially a half K you're ready on the underwater and and now you are it's just to go out of town because there's no house there there's nothing so between all that we say that status guys no place to make it however if you're going out of town if your Airport is out of town that would include always every results now if you just go about an hour over an hour without traffic Dulles and see if you just drove to Dulles there's a look at days well it's it's in there let's get blown up this is we said sure we took the factory right there and if I didn't always that would if I used to I used to drive there so the hookah days i personal dont explicit area but if I'm flying out of Dulles I remember that all the way to Washington because that already I'm flying to Europe or up flying the tour ever and therefore I would say in fact I'll tell you my sister Leah with my survival room for the colossi a commission plus fees when outside of a brothel who's receiving a shawl who's ready to loan the Grammy for 46 years in the Shiva some affect McCleskey I was 2 plus K 2 BWI he was going to be actually Collins going to be to be the regime of Jackie Kallen Montreal I drove to the airport we got off the Beltway and those at BWI was more outside of town built up and he said ok we might see you until said there ok enough the Beltway as I said though it definitely revenue holds the I just it's also they're called the Bal BW I said no but you're leaving town and well if I'm saying it already because I'm going to Montreal I'll be lazy so ever if you going to call us and yet someone's taking you then from that my sir you see that you say something everybody self say it for the driver dusty okay okay and went bad let's say you have a two day trip you're on a two-day trip so when you're gonna say Phil Sedaris on the second day right so the first question is do centel's of the second thing is actually my Flex type i skin the prevalent meaning is the same source of that everyday you are traveling okay everyday there are some something called it cut and run to the sitter says only say it once the beginning so there's some people who are dying only say it once a trip the prevalent bending goal is to say it every day here so what's your driving from here to Denver you say it on again on i-70 but we pull out of time once you're that you're you know there's a river over there go before 29 that's you're ready out of town to a certain extent you could say it there that serious decline of town fine that doesn't mean you travel do it say that means you're going away oh come that's what you say the second day should where brings down you don't have to wait till you're on the road so if you go from st. Louis to Denver you gonna get back on i-70 you're not gonna clearer let's say stay the you know from neighborhood you're not gonna clear out of town for good 20 minutes half hour 170 up and you just built up getting on 70 west don't build up build up you didn't Charles the river there he'll make you don't wait till there because he for gold st. Louis to Denver you started st. Louis he would say it I guess by the river by the Missouri River on i-70 but if you are just staying in hotel in the morning when you wake up you could say it right away are you planning another moment is your home you know you're not you're over ready you're ready on the road so you can say my way that's another point I'm not sure everybody knows so it's good to bring that out let's see if we have any other questions here about Hitler I see there are some questions about other topics about school years on that on Chavez so if you if you have any questions that we haven't dealt with you can email us at info at Star - Cato RG and also if you want to find out about how to capture the grills we can try to help you with that and okay questions we didn't deal with them you know and since we're talking about the davines let's continue with one more topic I want to mention one thing what are you planning yeah well you're planning a trip look at the Hebrew calendar look at the Jewish calendar when okay trips people very often they haven't seen people avoid travel on Friday at Shabbos Shabbos is austere people avoid Friday but they they start booking trips on on you know even during the week and they run into numerous problems number one is they forgot it's you know they want to go in October they're retired uh Tober you know okay so that I think most people catch that but for example let's see if lunch Annika okay right a lot of people how to do the people have off schools give off they want to go on a trip they start planning trips and then they realize that they're taking a trip in a way that then I could be able to light but no euro they have all these shots I can't leave every year I get calls in there any attachment I put the ticket I can't change it and everyone wants the cheapest deal but like okay Jill's gonna read how you going you're flying home the last night is kind of good you know from LA to Baltimore did you go to the airport and you drive you from someplace you can't light any we're gonna let you like the airport you gonna be out playing the whole time you can learn it's a straw it's also a little harder because you may just miss out so it because I complicated you may want to spend a few extra dollars to or maybe a little less convenient it'll stop mm-hmm it's not exactly the right times at one but make sure is good six amp fly to the winter means you're gonna have to dive in on on the airplane even my son and he has a 5:05 a.m. flight okay do we knew this boat we checked all Isis shot car in one and you know Beverly Airport and you could dive it before he gets on the plane and all that but my subtle check the time the time so it's a little bit of tweaking will solve a woman who she was coming from here to Cyril to America on Sheila Sarah Thomas yes every faster and she wanted to know if she has to fast but I mean it's very very long because you're adding another several hours to the fast and it's very long and I said well why you know why did you book it like that she said well it was the cheapest price of course gives everybody why can't I people called they go for X you stroll on it's work or they get other read that worse than flying everyone is the flies very hard I think the almost the worst is you find out all my one am flight on a message Thomas from Aaron's is relative to America Atlanta at 6 a.m. of us with Thomas the tynus begins somewhere over Europe okay and then when you land in America after six hours you're just everyone else is getting up for chakras you have a very very long I just saw about flying on the place well might so we say there is it's daylight outside you got a go I mean the person is so weak it's not we have a question from you who did it about frozen meat or meat in in in hotel rooms you leave it in your fridge rater does it need to be tied properly I can happen even in your room that or you give it to be in a hotel that doesn't have the refrigerator the front desk and I'll store it for you okay um so the loss of there is yeah yes you do anything you wanna do so the smart thing is I'm not sure if you know the ring a sealed originally was container right for the store but let's say you bought a big container you bought one of these big packages of of deli and now you you you know you use it one night you want to use it tomorrow night so what you should do is there's a several ways to make a similar one way is is take a long couple grocery bags from the fro grocery where you live put the meat in there tie it with really tight nuts double knotted so that the thing one of the tamper would that mean they would have to rip the bag open the bag is watching them because how they gonna get a bag like that yeah not do they have to take care of your really stock you could make your own sinan and that is you go to the deli and you carve out a CIMMYT that they won't realize the cinnamon if they decide to eat your meat and put in others you will see that the little triangles or dots that you put through the meat right there that's it's a good point I'm glad you heard it brought it up because it's something that people wouldn't realize if you put it in the fridge and that's it nobody's people coming into the room and you're that you're not home you're not in the room though all the time get ready our thing we cover many different issues back and forth I think we could talk about this for a long long time to so many issues that we ending as British mathematician save up to be safe when you're Evelyn not do anything dangerous you know especially during the three weeks yeah and here once storms and then rainstorms and speeds and rainstorms and snowstorms there's a process to the side is how important is this trip to drive through the snow and to drive through rain or fog and to be extra cautious one when going that's very very important yeah so here's the country mister so thank you very heavy for the discussion here appreciate that we wish everybody safe travels 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