05-27-2015 Travel Kosher 2015

hello and welcome to starkay's monthly webinar held at our Bolton lower headquarters Hashem things have quieted down since last month uh with the with the rioting and uh thank God we are we are safe and sound we're here in our Baltimore headquarters I'm Rabbi Steven Goldberg and my right is Rabbi buyer thank you for joining us again Robert buyer thank you always a pleasure to see you thank you and today we're going to discuss travel a lot of people make travel plans for the summer and that sometimes involves some challenge for the kosher and Jewish Traveler if you want to call us and join us by by phone you can reach us at 218-895-1203 okay Robin bye so let's uh Jump Right In to the hotels issues yeah and many of these issues were discussed in our cash discounts articles which uh which are on our website star-k.org and uh you can take a look over there under Castro's current archives so you go to a hotel and uh you find that they have a continental breakfast offered right so you're all excited you go down in the morning free breakfast when I stay at those hotels that's why you stay there it's no joke you're on the road somewhere especially traveling if you have a lot of kids and stuff like that you have a lot of kids you're by yourself or maybe a person right it doesn't hurt um now a lot of times they they have prepared foods like uh waffles pancakes these things that they cook up for you those we cannot partake uh we we don't have knowledge about the ingredients and even if we do the utensils they're using are not necessarily kosher so those are off off limits there is um I think a mistake that people sometimes make there are Waffle systems that you go down and there's a bottle of waffle mix and a a a a pancake waffle maker that's from the same company they go together okay so the hotel rents this waffle maker and buys the waffle mix you make your own waffles you get to make your own waffles yes stay in the cheap ones it's a fancy system you go it's a fancy system yeah you make your more you make less um so so in people think that uh sometimes the waffle mix may happen it has a certification uh and and then that means that uh that's what goes into this machine and therefore it's okay to make the to make the uh to make the waffles um that's not necessarily true we can't know for sure what was put into this uh machine let's say the hotel runs out of the original waffle mix and they go get whatever they want to get and that was using the machine so we don't recommend that that system there was also ones where people said uh claim to claim that it had a certain certification it turns out that the mix did not even have a certification it was the spray the spray that that you like a conditioner spray that had a certification and so people sort of assume the whole system had the certification let me set this up over here Rabbi buyers so people can chat with us because we want to hear what your what you have to say on the bus your waffle experiences thank you uh here we go like this you can chat with us on the bottom of your screen you know when I was traveling in Europe in the winter so they don't they have these breakfast but I mean it's like breakfast oh yeah like a real man's breakfast yeah you went to France right I went to Scandinavia oh Scandinavia okay a lot of Herring getting a lot I see you know sauerkraut but also like sausages and you name it okay very little kosher uh available not much that you could eat nut and certainly not a waffle maker right I think they eat waffles over there right um so then they have cereal usually Dry Cereal set out um dry cereals are usually not very kosher sensitive so much uh I could read the ingredients set the kind that have the little marshmallows in them if marshmallows are a problem but um you know I I would what I would do would be I would uh if I see Cheerios there I would ask him what is this and then I would say can I see the box and I would rely on that eat eat the cereal I don't have a problem with that if you have something that's more sensitive like a pastry a cake so there you you know it's the most serious uh kosher challenge then you have to be your own okay they may bring you out a box and show you this is where it's from you have to sort of gauge is that the real box you know I can't that's what I tell people you have to be your own machine um if you're in a place my personal feeling is if you're in the place out in the middle of nowhere you say where are these pastries from and they bring you the box you can pretty be much sure that's what it is but if you're in a place where it's commonly frequented by kosher Travelers uh you know they can't have like a box of storage just for kosher people I don't know maybe another one of those guys without their kosher boxes you have to be your own machine you can't make a rule about it that's what I tell people I once had a I once had someone who told me when he was on a cruise um and and uh he wanted that fish so he he uh he wrapped up he got a salmon I think he took a ride yeah he caught him I I don't know where he got I guess he they brought him the sandwich that wasn't the issue and then they then he wrapped it up in silver foil I guess he double wrapped it and gave it to him and they put it in the oven and came back in and they cooked it for him yeah and he was telling me that that that he was able to to make his fish the problem with that is if they put the fish into the oven then you want it running into issues of of Bishop aquam we need to have the uh he he needs to put it into the oven right I know it should be visually throw or it needs to turn on the oven uh so that that's that's one issue that he should uh you know they may or may not allow him to go into the kitchen I I don't know right you know that may be something that they are not uh prepared to to uh to allow um if you have unflavored coffee that's fine there's no Kosher issues with that um or hot water from the urn that certainly certainly fine cut fruit and vegetables well you have the bug issues so you have to worry you have to make sure you're not getting buggy fruit or vegetables or chicken um but if they are cut fruit and there is an issue that maybe they cut their sausages right rather buyer over there yes yes Scandinavia they cut their sausages and then they went and they cut your cucumbers common commonly done right yeah because they used to say knives they're in the same kitchen so so we have to um wonder about that so uh we we don't particularly recommend getting cut vegetables or fruit get them whole ask them if they have a whole a whole fruit and then that would be no problem okay let's see what what the questions are here um Jeff asks a lot of cookies are actually thought and served and individually wrapped before they brought out to their breakfast pool and heat they mean what do they mean thaw and serve that's palominiums here they hit them Jefferson yeah okay um okay well if they heat them then you have a problem with their ovens some don't even need to be heated okay well if they if they don't you know often okay then do that then you just have to make sure what you're getting that if it's not heated it's not a problem is there a list of acceptable sharing for kosher meals on European airlines okay that's that's a jump to the to the next part of the uh to our uh our discussion um no but we promise to talk about Airlines so we're gonna get there we're gonna get there we're gonna get there um Jay says they wash hot urns with hot water and soap at the minimum they descale the lime and rest with chemicals okay I think he's saying that we should have a problem with the hot urns because they may be washed in a sink with drafe utensils so therefore why are we allowing to have water when they could be washed in the sink with with other things so that is an issue that we bring up by the Starbucks yes but we have said that when you're on the road and you see what you have you're traveling because there's a lot of doubts here on what the issue what are the doubts well first of all they use soap they might have used up they probably use sober soap soap it causes a bed right taste there might not have been anything in the sink at the time when they watched it they might have been washed completely separately um the water might not have been hot enough to cause any sort of glios so it's sort of um they may not be washing them at all or they may not be watching them at all it's very positive yes right right so because of all those downs we you know when you're traveling we say it's uh is asking if you have cereals in their container if the hotel says kosher by is that okay I guess she means that they put a little sign there you know that you ask them and they say it's kosher by uh whatever it's a circle use certification I would I would ask them to see the container that it comes in at the minimum yeah the Holiday Inn is not going to put kosher by the Holiday Inn in you know in Idaho is not going to put kosher by OU I'll say you're seriously if they have enough people asking them they might Hotel Hershey says I have heard that some okays cut fruit and vegetables a large cruise ships okay not sure what that means some okay some say it's okay I think he means okay some say that it's okay if you have cut fruit and vegetables yes that is true because and the logic behind that is if you have um many many Cuts let's say you had a knife that was used for non-kosher meat for your sausages and then they cut a cucumber well they didn't just cut one cucumber they will cut a lot of cucumbers and a lot of salad so by the time it gets to your cucumber the one that you picked up we can assume that whatever was there in that kosher was wiped off uh from the previous cuts there is such a logic brought down in the uh um in the Rama uh okay there is something to rely on um I've asked right behind them in our hello sake and he's not keen on relying that as a blanket uh leniency but there is there are those that would would say that so I can imagine that um Jeff says at the College of work we serve serial in the tall dispensers and place a cutout from the cereal box in the front panel not all the cereals that have served our kosher if they watch it in between will the serum be acceptable uh yes that cereal wouldn't be affected if it was cleaned in between um and um Spencer was cleaned in between that wouldn't be an issue again if if if it's a simple cereal like a Cheerios like a Rice Krispies like corn flakes and they put the sign out they cut out they put a cut out of the box in the front I think that that would be acceptable as well because those are anyway uh are usually fine kosher I think that are more that you at least would want to see the box if if you can okay now um most people don't know but if you go to a hotel uh the more upscale Hotel you can order Airline meals well they charge you for it but you can handle uh um a hot meal you can order an airline meal many hotels allow that um and similarly you have to deal with the with the meal as you do on an airplane um you're going to your hotel room and you have a refrigerator uh can you use the refrigerator well yes usually they're yes okay next but if the refrigerator is clean usually it is assuming it's clean and it's not clean and you can ask for another room right or you leave the hotel right yeah people don't realize if they leave let's say meet or fish in there in the refrigerator and then they go out uh then you get into an issue called bus station Asylum that the meat is left without seals on on Watch and people are coming into your room so you need to be aware of that either you can leave the meat sealed up or there's something called TVs iron if you recognize the meat there's a certain look to it it's a certain shape it's a certain book and if you recognize that meat and it couldn't be switched or anything else that's also a leniency but the packaging be enough of a three assigned uh no because you could take it I'll take that package and put something else in but you recognize the the the the the meat itself unusual meat yes I want to say behind the man what does meat look like I mean me this meat unique meat so he said uh he answers me very in a cute way he said is a cow a cow cow when you see a cow it all looks the same to you so I said yeah he said well no to a farmer he has 500 cows he knows they all look different each cow looks a little different so if you know me the meat looks meat looks different um okay um Shoshan asks another question about hotel exactly but can one eat fruit and vegetables sold on the streets who only sells fruits I don't have any problem with that I mean if you uh then they have they should have a dedicated knife um that's not uh that's not a real concern so there's no real issue with that plus the logic that we mentioned before they had to do a lot of cutting by the time you get there so it's that that would be fine Moshi says can you eat Herring at the hotel serve not cut up well the Herring you have to have a Hampshire certification on the Herring how do you know what sharing this is no you couldn't answer it no you couldn't eat the hair right um okay Jeff says if you if you left it with the label down and now it's labeled up in the fridge okay you have a problem if you left it now you see that they they went through your fridge uh yeah if you look in the Spy movies you know they put like a little piece of string by the door to see if they don't come into the room well someone is coming in the room dental floss and put it by the fridge or something someone is coming in your room to clean your room one way to keep people out of your room is do not disturb if they do not disturb sign on which helps we're gonna talk about Shabbos issues in a minute which help helps for Shabbos issues as well let's say you leave the lights off in your room or on and you want them to stay like that all Shabbos and they come in they do their cleaning shop this morning and they leave the whites however they you know they don't remember what you had they figured you'll fix it when you come back in right so if you put the Do Not Disturb selling outside your door I've heard that that's very effective way of keeping uh out and then some hotels this a a age made that goes in even though they do not disturb sign is there she could be fine if she goes in when it's on that they treat that more severely than if they steal from the room yeah because do not disturb means do not disturb okay guests don't want to be disturbed so if you put that aside that will help you keep people away from from your room an ice maker usually usually an ice maker on the floor we have no problem with that the ice makers just make ice there's no Kosher problem with that coffee makers in the room um in the olden days they used to have caress right and ramahanyan was afraid that people use the carafes for other things people who are in kosher uh may put soup in the carafe they may who knows what they put in the carafe and you're coming and drinking hot water out of it that's a problem but now the places I've seen have these one cup dispensers yes yes mostly so it dispenses directly into the cup right it doesn't really hold anything besides right uh water and your coffee so I think those would be okay those would be as long as as you know if it's flavored it should have a certification on it uh microwaves in the room who is asking about microwaves okay if the microwave is clean I mean this would apply not just in the room I would imagine this applies anywhere we had the microwave yes micellacious yes things like that right um you should you you should clean it out make sure that it's not uh not not uh it doesn't have any residue and then uh double wrap it and then you can use you can use the microwave it's no problem don't microwave it don't wrap it with aluminum foil aluminum foil that's that's not going to be good but that would be true about any microwave in any uh non-kosher that would not apply on Facebook peso Passover is a whole different ballgame Rabbi Chapman is bringing up uh our producer is bringing up a whole new uh can of worms no going to a hotel on on on pesach he would go to a kosher Hotel hopefully one peso you would go to a kosher hotel if you're staying there for yante but what if you're going during the intermediate days the whole of my days uh people go away um and so there are a couple of things you want you would want to be concerned about of course this is a year off but uh we're able to prepare early um when you go into the room you should do a check for hummus without the bracha but because comments without the Bronco um that would apply even in the kosher Hotel because they're not necessarily checking the rooms they're the people running the program are just assuming the rooms are clean but it would be a good idea to make sure there's nothing nothing there no comments there and secondly there is a usually a um they're called mini bars minibars which is you really stay in the fancy places a drawer or a refrigerator that has in it some uh some product that they want to sell to you at the absorbitant prices so even if you're not eating any of that on on peso there's a problem having that there in your room in your room because you have responsibility for it if something is taken they're going to charge you for it that's called a horizon you have responsibility for it and you're not allowed to have responsibility for pace for comments on pesos so if there are cookies they are pretzels uh you you have to go down to the the management tell them listen please either remove everything from my room or you can leave it there but I have no responsibility for it there's something's missing I'm not paying for it you have to make that arrangement with the with the uh with the hotel um just as an aside on Shabbos let's say you're in the hotel and you want to use something from not not on pay stuff you want to use something from the mini bar on Shabbos they're going to charge you for it right if you take it out they're going to charge you for it so then there's two types of mini bars at least one is where it's not electronic I don't know from these things just in the hotels that I stay in there you right on the other hand you're great that's right yeah I only go Five Stars host rates that's right there's a sidekick is like that's right um well I have to stay in hotels and know what to talk about yeah yeah it was all work related and taxes are protected so so so there are two types of money bars one is where you you pull out the food it's not electronic and then the uh the Meg will come by when she cleans and she'll knock down what you took and then they'll put it on your bill the other is electronic where immediately when you take it off there's a sensor there that will record that they're going to charge you for it so the first type is not any problem at all on Chavez if you want to use that you can use it on Jarvis um you're taking food that you're not getting charged for right away they're going to settle with you afterwards you're allowed to to go to a store even though even those regular store and take food if they will let you and then you'll settle within after shop if you're allowed to do that it's not cool that you purchased it on jogs um they're gonna they're gonna they're gonna arrange it later they come under at their own on their own at their own time and they they take care of it the one that's electronic you can't do because that's being recorded let's take um some questions here uh Shoshan is asking did you answer the coffee maker yes we said that the coffee maker that is one cup at the time that's no problem we can assume that people do not use that for anything else besides besides coffee we have a right to make such an assumption it's only set up for that especially since the people who would want to use such a thing for soup would be the kosher people everybody else throw down the rest of their own pizza or whatever so that's a uh okay now let's move on to uh to Shabbos you can shop these issues at a at a hotel um the key is to check things out the pun that was not intended the key is to check things out before Shabbos you know don't just assume that the hotel will be will be okay call the hotel find out you know what the issues are what your challenges are going to be and how you're going to solve them um and when you get there introduce yourself to the to the hotel again we're not talking about where it's a kosher run right program but you're staying at a non-kosher hotel you know explain to them that you have some Sabbath needs and most hotels um to helping their guests okay one one thing that you may not realize is when you go into your room when you open the door you might be turning on the lights or turning on the air conditioning everything now is trying to save money when you leave the room you close the door they they sense that and the lights go off and you come in the lights go on um or even in your room there's a closet you open the closet the lights automatically go on so yeah you have to you have to be aware of that uh beforehand and find some way if there's if there's a way to disable it you can have a real problem if you're there and you'll find that that's what what is going on um there is there is a trick that I that that I've heard of that if you when you open the balcony door also sometimes the air conditioning goes off because they don't want all the air going out into the balcony so that means you can't use a balcony but there's some thermostats that have a setting that you could set to override that some sort of super setting down continuing yeah like a VIP setting or something to that effect you can ask the the management if there's a way of doing that um there is another uh concern with the air conditioning even if the door doesn't enable it but sometimes moving around in your room right so if you're still they think that you might have left the room and everything stops now right if you're just lying in your bed it may not realize that and include the air conditioning could go off but then when you move around a little bit it will go back on that that's that's not ideal for Shabbos it's it's if that's you know really Intel for various reasons it may be acceptable for for Shabbos but there is a trick I saw to disable that at least to bring the balloon the balloon trick if you have a helium balloon so if you just leave it tie it near the thermostat the little currents that are in every room will move it ever so slightly and that will uh that will keep it going all sharp so you come into your hotel with your theoretically this is what people argue I mean especially in Israel and then I rock you open the door to your house yeah you could mess around with the thermostat there it's not direct it's not direct it's very indirect um okay um Jeff says soft pretzels I'm not sure what the question is soft pretzels if they sell soft pretzels okay heshi says if one buys fruit on the street how can we know the knife is kosher is that do they sell enough fruit to prevent problems oh I mentioned that before that if they're only selling fruit that's what it looks like to us um plus the fact that we have the logic that they cut many many pieces so I I wouldn't have an issue with that um could be other people too I don't think that's a problem um hot water on the plane Shoshone wants to know uh sometimes I think they bring in a pot oh yes that's okay you can you can use that one on a plane using the logic that we mentioned before even if they wash it it's with soap and so on and so forth Adam says is a hotel considered as one Rashid with regard to carrying in the corridors okay there is uh that's a whole lengthy topic um if you're in an apartment building you own or you rent your apartment he rents his apartment on Shabbos unless you make arrangements you're not allowed to carry it in a corridor right you share within a car a car they're right you're not allowed to carry from your apartment to the hallway to his apartment you're not allowed to do that um you have to make what's called an aircraft service in a hotel since a hotel is owned by one management uh there and you're not really renting them it's not you don't have real rights to the room there are many who are lenient and say that you do not need to make a uh what's called air fateris uh there are those that astringent I I I imagine that most people probably would be leaning in this area it's not so easy to make an air series um also if you are the only Jewish couple the Jewish Family right in the hotel then there's no question at all the question doesn't even begin so if you're really a mistakes then you can assume that you are the only family and don't have to worry about this at all uh Jeff says there isn't is there an okay Hotel keys for Shabbos okay what do you do with the hotel Keys the the manual keys are a thing of the past more or less there are still some hotels near some Jewish areas like in Los Angeles and so on that still have Lux with regular keys just with it just right just because if you want to make Jewish rooms Jewish rooms right just if you want to make a simple there you want to make a Chevrolet Broncos you have something you want to have a convention they know that there's enough people and then therefore it's worth it for them to keep the key system on some of the rooms but mostly by and large is with electronic keys and uh so there are different ways people have with dealing with this one we just had that last couple weeks ago to start gay uh yeah right then like the doors open doors open right some people will leave the doors open uh without locking them you'd have to uh in a typical Hotel you can't just it will lock automatically you'd have to find some way to disable it tape it up taped up the lock so that it won't it won't lock when you leave right um can't recommend that you do that you have to worry about your safety uh but I can tell you A lot of people that's what they do the option they were behind them in offers holocacy is to leave your key with the desk make arrangements with them before Shabbos tell them that you will need themselves a couple of times on job is to open your door you go down you ask them to open your door and uh there's a lot of reason that's motor it's called Mitzvah you have to go to sleep you have to get something you have to get your sitter I wouldn't use that too many times on jobs I wouldn't want to keep doing that and keep bothering them but if you really need to get into your room that is uh that's that's the option um many of the doors now going in and out are electronic so that poses a challenge right if you need to get out you wait for somebody to go wait for a non-jewish person to go ahead of you um there are sometimes doors that are not electronic uh we've found that staff doors doors that the hotel staff uses to go in and out uh I'm not that fancy that's permission before you do that right ask permission right it may be in an area where you're not supposed to Don't Push the door where it says don't push myself alarm okay leave the sign right um shoshana says rings on gas electric top okay to cook with our own pots on there she's talking about in the in the room not on our jobs right we're talking about nylon Chavez cooking on a in a hotel on a um people rent a place for a while right to have a kitchen there and they want to use it so as really as long as it's clean you just turn it on for for a couple minutes and that will be fine you're basically yeah that's not that's no problem at all okay um lighting light if you're there for Friday for Friday night you want to light candles in the hotel some hotels do not allow you to light candles some hotels do allow you to like candles we do not recommend lighting candles unless they allow you to do that um if it's against their rules then it's not right that you they have a right to be careful about their you know their their their their fire rules right they're scared that something will burn down then they're right to be scared and so but not every hotel is against it some hotels don't mind and some hotels even if you like a candle or two they will not set off the smoke detector so you have to speak with them about that before shops if they do not allow you to have Candles there are other options you can light in incandescent Bowl if you're going out of style fast in fact you can that's the kind that doesn't have the the see-through ones right see-through ones that you can see the filament right um You can even have a little a little nightlife yeah or or even in a uh even a flashlight that's it has an incandescent bulb again they're going the most Cinema now being made LED and other types it has to be an incandescent bulb which is actually a fire and it should have fresh batteries because you don't want it has to last until it gets dark so you want to turn on that flashlight before it shabs when lighting candles you can make a broth on it I know it's a little odd but you can and and then and if you want to be something for habella it's more of an issue it's not so simple but for Friday night it is uh uh easier how locally to rely on this um and even they have two flashlights and that way you can keep the custom of having at least two two candles um okay uh time is flying Rabbi buyer okay um feels like we're on vacation yeah okay they're going back they want to go back to the salmon on the cruise I guess we have a lot of people going on cruises I I uh aren't you going along no research I have I have an article on cruises um and I've never been on a cruise for uh I I did visit a boat to see the issues but that was a cruise ship cruise ship I mean yes it was it was it was docked it wasn't uh it wasn't actually yeah yeah um I guess you'll arrange uh I should go on one right you feel absolutely very important it's important okay um I need to come along also just for uh yeah salmon on the cruise was was a problem because even if you're adult and you're having it you're dumping double wrapping it and they're cooking it um you need it to be cooked by a Jewish person and that's probably not happening so that that was the answer to the salmon or any fish on the cruise um and that article on cruises we cover a number of issues uh that I think are important in person trying wanting to go on a cruise should should take a look at that um there are Shabbos issues there at sneeze issues um modesty issues there are um kosher and non-kosher issues like if most of the crews boats are are both and I mean a small percentage of them are just comfortable keeping if keeping koshers let's say you have a boat with 3 000 people you have 300 of them are keeping kosher so they don't give you they'll say there are eight Kitchens on them so they don't give you a whole kitchen that would be nice and the kitchens are small right they give you like uh like uh like the size of this this area right to prepare all your food for those 300 people and this kosher a non-kosher right next to each other um I've spoken to a number of of uh of who have been on boats as as uh as you know supervising and they say you have to be very careful that then they say they're not going again you know it's very it's you know you have to know who who's giving the half share is it is it uh do they have enough to take care of the issues it's it's a very difficult uh certification okay um automatic toilets David wants to know about unless I'm using those on hotels also on hotels those are those are an issue a problem um uh the good news is that usually in the rooms they're not yet up to that but some hotels do have that do happen in the rooms you have a real problem because the way around that usually is that there's a little button that you can press but that's also uh um electronic sometimes there's a button that that you that you have to actually depress you have to push it in and it's actually a plunger it's going manually but most of the ones the bypass of the electronic is is a uh is a is a little electronic so if that's in your room you're going to have a problem we don't recommend that should be like the first question that you ask probably at the hotel we have noticed that sometimes um um accessible rooms are handicapped accessible rooms don't even the rest of the hotel will have the the automatic ones the ones in accessible rooms will not have those they'll have manual not because they couldn't just because they have to buy a different type of system um and then by manual so if that room is available you know then you can ask the hotel that's available it's like the emergency room the room yeah right right okay so that's sometimes in the hotel lobbies they have these electronic toilets and stuff and there is a way of of dealing with it uh covering the eye we have it in the in the article if you take a look at that you can you can see how to deal with that but let's move on a little bit to to Airlines rather by because time is running short the question that we asked if we had asked before was are there is there a list of Caterers on Airlines and the answer is that yes Starkey has a list in its Airline article um relatively recently it was updated but it changes so much at the time of printing it was accurate but the airlines are always looking for a better deal they're changing the the Caterers themselves change certifications it's very difficult to uh to keep to keep up with it um and uh it it you know we get calls like that a lot you know can you tell me about the uh the certification on a particular it's like a particular flight um let me give you an example of things that we have looked into just I think certain things kind of stay the same like the New York right out of New York right the flight's leaving from Israel right okay so so we have like some of the the interesting ones people ask us about Turkish Airlines they're going they're flying to Israel popular these days it is popular because it's cheaper than the other airlines yeah because we all love turkey so much right we're not Starke is not necessarily recommending that you fly Turkish but but we do get the question and uh and the the meals come with the okay symbol and they're that those are fine there's a legitimate uh so it's it's fine no problem the Lufthansa meals are coming yeah so are so hard meals are under Rabbi hovland and that is acceptable um hello people people a lot of people fly Halal to Israel and um and um the way it all works there is a certain level of kosher to all their food standard understanding in Israel it's under the rabbi of the Ben gurin airport in uh Toronto it's under the Canada Hampshire in the United States it's under another certification so therefore all of their dishes that they use circulate between the different ports of calls different airports and since they're all under certification wherever they they load up the food that is that they they rely on the certain things you're talking about real dishes I'm talking about real dishes if you go on that level you don't order a special kosher if you're going alone you don't know the especially if you travel on LL you probably get the real China but when I travel yeah I think I usually get like disposable don't know I think it's been so long since I've traveled but they they do use they they use plates and and serving utensils and all these things okay right so those travel among all of their their four or five uh certifying uh uh agencies so there is a level of kosher that is even if you don't order anything kosher on LL however we do recommend especially only in business and first class only a business first class they have China yes but they do have things that they cook on and things that they serve on and things that they you know that that is uh okay you know they have uh yeah so um there is also most people we recommend they should order special kosher on on LL because uh most of the standards that people who are calling us would be higher than the regular standard of the LL so uh they order glad kosher okay but but I've done that I've called and ordered God kosher and they tell me yes kosher yes it's in the system and then they don't they don't it doesn't come um or if you order online if you can put in your meals online on LL so the way we finally figured out the LL system the LL system is like this if you're going from the U.S to Tel Aviv you order with what they call Regal meals Regal meals that's the name of the brand yeah that's the way it looks to the to the agent it looks in their system it says the schedule that's the special kosher traditional meals right and then from Tel Aviv to the U.S you order a strictly kosher Glock so those are the choices if you're doing it online you can actually do it yourself or if you're talking to the agent that's what you should tell them to uh to order um but again but a lot of the uh a lot of the flights that go through Europe like we mentioned before right they change they uh it is difficult to keep up with it one thing I will mention is I once flew from from Washington to Europe and they had um they had an OU meal Dairy but it wasn't uh Hall of Israel it was regular regular Hollow Stone which is no problem there the airplane can serve whatever they feel like they're not obligated to serve me so but since it was from Washington not from New York it's all Hall of Israel as far as I know but since it was from a you know less I guess jewishly traveled airport they didn't have so many requests as well so you should be aware of that as well it can either be Harvest though okay um let's go back to some of the questions because we want to uh service our listeners um shashana says please address reusing the oven okay using the oven I don't think she means on the aerial plane but on the on the in the hotel right okay so you would be the same thing you should if it's probably going to be clean if not you can clean it readily and then uh you should cash it turn it on for 40 minutes on high and then it will be captured and then you can use the oven that's no problem um everybody can we tell people how to see The Archives of these classes no no we didn't so let's mentioned all these classes are recorded and archived at our various sites kosherclasses.org but that's all we have P3 I think it's only the audio no no the video is there too really yeah and also on our Vimeo Channel if you go to Vimeo or YouTube and search for Star kosher you'll get our our Channel and see all our you can see all our greatest hits yep you can see that we did have a few years ago also a uh a webinar with Mr Steve seichel who is well traveled a world traveler um he does over a hundred thousand miles a year within the uh for the star k and president's class or something like that right and so he he discussed from a practical perspective one of the different things you need to do when you're making uh making flights and hotels and things like that so you can you can get that on our website as well um okay so Jeff wants to get back to the soft pretzels is there a problem to either soft pretzel while traveling if you know the company that made the principle has a replica for example J J soft pretzels served at a baseball game I think that the problem with that is but sometimes the not all J J soft pretzels are Kosher as far as I know because some of them might have cheese in them and things like that um so again it's it's an equipment problem so when you're you're heating up that pretzel in the pretzel heater upper machine whatever they call it um it might have been used for these non-kosher pretzels so I think that's kind of problematic okay so you don't recommend it okay I would not yeah I would agree with that um camping question can one use the fire pit of the campground for cooking that's a great question or they'll be the same question when you go to a park and they have those grills that are there right um yeah but the grill you put you put the food right on top of the grill right that would be certainly a problem taking the grill off not using their grill out okay and then let's say putting your own theoretically your own Grill in there if you get one that fits it's a good question it's a good question the fire pit if everything is burnt up it's completely Ash and there isn't any pieces of food there that should be okay should be okay but um when I would like to think about that some more so if you if you want to email us that question we could look into it some more our email address is info at star-k.org info at star-k.org our phone is 410-484-4110 Josh says often on airlines they will serve some of the food separate from the sealed package I want you to be aware that these may not be certified very good point that sometimes the food will come in in the patterns [Music] that kind of thing right they will serve you they don't realize that you you're in kosher to come down they give you a roll or other food that's not that's not Kosher or that if you're on a long flight they may give you uh um snack a dairy meal a meat meal and then give you a dairy meal and you have to be aware that the time difference you know beware that you're waiting your your amount of proper amount of time six hours right so that the time differences in travel don't count up too no six hours right in between you have to be careful what do you mean it's the next day that's the raffle you have to be careful you can't assume that it's necessarily six hours later it depends how long the flight is um uh one thing that that that we mentioned in the article is that escalators escalators are not a problem for use on Chavez we don't have a problem with them they just continue to go and you're not doing anything you're not changing anything it's fine behind them says that those are okay uh to use on on Shabbos if you're in some hotels have escalators to get the fancy ones in Scandinavia they have those you know they go from one four to the next or even you know the one in Hunt Valley here the one where they make some fasteners but um uh I I we had we had an email from uh are you gonna get into elevators or um really that's a whole new topic but the escalators um there are escalators now he says that that only start when when you're on them he said he noticed it at the airport in Israel that or they're moving extremely slow and then when you step on them they know that you're on them and it starts going faster or it's completely stopped and he sent me an email showing me that in in Dulles Airport the Washington Airport they actually installed those type of escalates they don't expect anybody to be there on Shabbos but uh the countries that that's the next problem you know coming to uh to to to hotels um and uh that that's something you need to be be aware of okay is there anything else that we didn't cover everybody because we've been at it for quite a while if you have any last minute questions thank you for all your comments if anybody has any last-minute issues we will it's good to point down I think most people know this already that when you travel at least in the United States North America that there's a lot of kosher food available packaged kosher food I mean when I travel for the star k i don't usually bring food along within North America because there's just so much available that you can get you can get you can get it there where you are right right um you know gone are the days we have to bring a whole cooler full of food necessarily I also want to mention Rabbi Heber has an article about traveling on Fridays or on aravyantive how you deal with those issues that are challenges specifically people get stuck on how to try to avoid getting stuck one idea is don't take the last flight out of the day on Friday obviously use your common sense right leave enough time or behind them in says that you should leave double time let's say it takes a three hours to get to New York from here yeah you should leave at least six hours of time to allow for anything that is I think especially in the summer in the summer time when people are traveling and the traffic is right you never know right yeah someone's talking about ice cream if you want to address that ice cream or serve serve Yogi dishes okay we'll have to get that in another webinar because that's a whole new uh a whole nother topic okay the fire pit coffee I lost it they're obliers and layers of old food that are attached to the fire pit there are odors that put me at the cooking area well the odors are not going to be a problem but the if there are if there is food there that is uh that is actually I don't know exactly when you use the fire pit don't you usually put something you're not putting it directly in the on the ground over there well I guess you have to hold it over it or lay it on the stick you put your front footer on the stick and you put it you're saying it's cooking from the this belief in the dirt in the ashes that are there you mean you don't put the food you don't put your oven in there unless you're going to cook potatoes like enough that's an old candy trigger you take a potato you stick it in the coals and then it let it sit there and it gets closer so you're only putting it on on the Fire you're not putting it down onto them it's an interesting question as I mentioned before we'll have to think about that one some more give us some homework Josh says what happens when you get stuck on the highway where I play on Shabbos what do you do when you're stuck on a highway or flying on Travis okay that's all uh that's those are very good questions and um you should see the article definitely take a look at that um okay Robert buyer we want to uh thank everyone for joining with us today um I hope that we covered topics that were interesting to you uh let me see that we can see where people joined us from here let me take a look at that I always like to do that uh uh but how do I do that please bear with us one second I have to they're giving their locations if anyone has come down to Baltimore on your travels you'll feel free stop by Mindy says anything the fire pit would be charred in an edible yes that would make it okay even if it touches I just don't have so much familiarity with what what what this what the not from the camping uh camping experience no I'm not from the Boy Scouts yeah um well let me just do this so we can take a look and see how many Buzz what's that too many bugs let me take a look over here everybody if I do like this okay this tells us um that we have mostly people from New York or east coast rather can't see New York but um we have a couple in in the midwest we have some from California we have a couple in Europe and a couple nerds to throw and it looks like it might be it must be interesting stronger that there's a straw it would be like Bahrain or something it could be because it's like General Middle East area you know right it could be United Arab Emirates we have Alba she's in Spain that's our she's she comes right the help is with us okay from Spain and um from all over the world I want to thank everyone for for uh for joining us these webinars are held the last Wednesday of every month at 12 noon um if you want to be alerted what the topic is um or if there's any change which is sometimes send us an email at info star-k.org and we will add you to the list or if you gave your email address over here we will add you as well um if you don't want to get those emails you can always just unsubscribe from from that and we will not contact you thanks so much for joining have a great day take care