05-25-2016 Travel Kosher 2016

hello and welcome to starcade monthly webinar held in the stockades Baltimore offices we're here on a monthly basis at twelve noon eastern the last wednesday of the month the archives of these classes are at our website star desh KO r g and on vimeo glad that you joined us today today again which rabbi barf buyer welcome our buyer again you get veteran of the show and I remembered spiegelberg I'm glad that you joined us for our annual travel webinar right issues right that's this season tis the season the season people making their summer plans and we want to try to go over some of the kosher issues that a lot of the issues that may come up for you during this time if you want to call in to our show it's 218 895 1203 218 895 1203 pass code 2020 pound of course if you're listening via the web your your address is learn kosher dot click webinar dot-com /co sure so that's where you can join us put in your information and get right in can if you can see on the bottom of your screen there's 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Rick and Columbus is here Rick Rick I spoke to rick this past month es if he comes every month but he had some trouble hooking up and we help them get back on that's aunt and on the back Rick okay that may be easier so grab my buyer let's start with food I think because food is a challenge for the coach to travel right you have some you got some responses to an inquiry what is would write the challenge basically I looked at it they all said food so it's a challenge getting you know it's been like that ever since we were you know when we were kids and we had that I remember you know my mother having to pack the whole cooler full of food to go more mirror and then as a kid looking at all the people who don't keep kosher you know going out to eat at night and you're stuck you know eating cold cut sandwiches if you're lucky right well so it's a problem but you know the truth is when I travel for the starcade so I don't usually take food with me unless I'm going overseas but if I'm staying here in these in the United States then I mean this there's plenty available in Super Mario market there's Walmart's all over the place does close your food out there right you can purchase not talking really about meat things like that but is there certainly you know fish and you know things of that nature this also course peanut butter but I have regular meals like I have at home obviously our challenger that's a problem so so on that note when you go to the airports you know you see everybody lining up to buy food because it's lunchtime at suppertime and and they have to they have to have something we did a article recently on something that not everybody knows about in the New York area JFK LaGuardia Newark there is available some really decent stark a certified meals sandwich sandwich it and I have some salads and meals and march against that brought an article Valley it's on our website and actually i was in newark once and I went out and I bought the starcade sandwiches they're there under the fresco brand any good yeah surprised I mean not surprisingly but I mean it was gone it was good and the main thing I liked about it was that it was the same price as the non-kosher sandwiches now it's not cheap it's not like you're surprised that you're going to get you know in your local store but that's that but it wasn't more expensive just because it was conscious I think it was ten or eleven dollars of sandwich what you thats well that's that's what that's it was the same prices in on cosier sheesh so I am NOT a bigger expense account oh I got a bag of chips that I feel lucky when you're hungry so it does it does help so you have to look for the the you have to make sure you're getting the kosher product the labels are the same when they say color as the as a non-kosher the name is different it's called fresco fresco kosher it says that clearly unable to same color I think the green issue there was that on purpose I think that's the only way the airport would allow it didn't they didn't want to have you know Moishe's hey Misha brand of sandwiches being sold so it has a different name it has it different it has i did a little different look and as a star kelly on it you have to look for the action it's available in let's say in newark there naseebo express stands sebo express see IBO which sells also you know they sell everything they sell food and other things as well there is a near the gate in newark airport if you ever go to Erin to stroll from Newark on your nitin it's a near gate 139th all the way in the back of terminal see that make people go to swell from yes like that because they have a special security system over there it's not an open area area you have to go through a double check before you get on the flight to air to throw the newark flight united and over there there's a complete kosher market like everything in the store is kosher I've never been there but yeah not everything is Starrcade they have the sandwich is there too they sell well sebo itself is stocking kosher stuff there that's nice I'm good of course you have to check the symbol on each each item then you have more do you have seven locations you have a JFK 10 or 15 locations and in JFK they also become a different names called box box chef but also has a Starrcade and and you want to look for it look for it there now I have a question for you now looking great if we could put that into the rest stops or the ones on the first Lyoko doppio credit well I guess it has to do with the with the domain you want to know how much demand it would be on the Jersey Turnpike probably not once in a while there might be yeah room 17 husband okay so I have a question for you a little bit out of the box or a buyer and I want to see what our listeners think about this i was in atlanta on monday visit the point and if you listening to the news at all you know that the lines for a security are out the door literally out the door Howard waiting four hours for for for the for the flights even the pre-check which is you know you go through a pre-screening with the TSA those lines are all so long and I was putting nervous about it and actually turned out not to be that bad but somebody gave me a trial subscription to something called clear clear clear is a orange it's a private company you give them your fingerprints the driver's license your they scan your retina and and then give him a free ad by the way well I'm just I have a question about it okay hush gothic question and then you have to pay a certain amount every year I the trial so it was free and then basically they cut the line for you and they take you into the clear line which goes in front of everybody else who's waiting and takes you right to before the scanners so you only like we have to wait for three or four people who are ahead of you the line could be in other two hours long but you're going right right in front right my question for the listeners is I felt a little uncomfortable I'm coming in our listeners survey yes I couldn't make a poll but I didn't do that do you feel that there's anything you know dressed as a religious person a front person and is there anything would you hesitate to do that I paid for it you can pay for it too or do you think we should put like a look baseball cap do you say i was wearing wearing your brother you know a black hat do you think that a person should shy away from that and we're not doing it or it's okay because i paid for it you can pay for it is about isn't it I one thing I would say from a la la feat perspective is it's not it's not you can't call it a skill a sham that's why I'm not doing anything wrong it can't be called a lot like technically it's not a selection but is it something that we should is it is that what you're doing is like this clear thing is I'm like a pig its outline doors it's obvious because this special lane it's as clear on it and actually the clear personnel bring you to the front of the line they have to actually escort you they scored you with their badge and they show their badge the TSA agent and then you just go through let's just clear what did the clear engineer clear agent the clear person you know there's a person who works for clear yeah he has like a little bad they have a badge and a show to the TSA right yeah not clear so I I want to hear what what would would powerful jobs so they have okay so so Mendel says he saw it in Denver they only have in ten airports in bwi in baltimore airport is one of the lucky airports than have it so for a person who travels from bwi constantly it would actually be a great help because you don't have to you don't know normally how much to a lot to wait on line the half hour now I'd only have two hours in Atlanta three hours Chicago sometimes right but now that they fired the head of tsa some things should get better nothing I'm banking on it if you have this you just wait five minutes so so I think the pre-check people kind of got used to that that you know you're on that long you know that I don't think there's any issue with that but this is kind of a new thing and you're kind of butting in I took a little bit of a survey and I got differing differing answers some people said there's nothing wrong with it and if people think is they love is sort of it look at you funny at anti-semitic a little bit it doesn't matter whatever you do they look at you like that and they don't have a problem with a lot of people said no it feels a little funny to cut into the line even if you're doing it you know legally I think it depends how long the line is it's a really long line than rice babe oh I guess it's Abe from from Chicago to do it rabbi aide says he sees nothing wrong with it you pay for it everyone can do the same Mendel also says he doesn't see a problem we chose you smart okay i'm especially smart since i'll blow drying it out my keys and I don't let you like you for that reason to smarty choose that's the farthest st tsa PreCheck i assume that barred that feels a little uncomfortable with cutting cutting cutting into I mean you don't have to actually pushing away the clear person does that for you I think eventually with enough people unclear just like you're going out with Robbie check right that it's going to become the same thing right but when i was there then you don't have to have like super clear super super clean anyway okay I thought I would bring it up and and hey it says just act like an inch right act like an inch and you'll be okay you know walk through humbly and you're okay all right anyway I just wanted this you know discussed a little bit see what your when your thoughts on it might be um you know there is you know I was thinking it through a little bit there is a Clio khurram cornish who talks about the jealousy that we aroused among the nation's when we build big houses and you know and the going walk around and they see that and the certain jealousy and he decries it he thinks it's not exactly the right thing to do I forgot where the Clio anybody really wants it like it like it finding the source you know we tried to inherent in the in the Diaspora goes we try to keep a low profile that was not that was just the other side I was just thinking but what I'm traveling and they see us having tuna fish and not very jealous and I wanna see right right right when they see that you can't eat anything that is right okay so let's leave that leave that be I had a piece of paper here we have some new songs really but this I just want oh you're this okay all right we can just wing it okay so as far as airline food when you get on that under the airplane it's excellent especially the closure so we don't know we're not speaking about the you know quality of it we do have an article and we can get it now you get it right it's only international usually right rabbi rosenrot an excellent article on the subject and he went through he spent a lot of time going through the details when you're on this airline you flying from here this is the hell you're going to get it so on and so forth the article though needs to be updated it was it was present the older clear articles 2007 there was a few years ago right and it's a lot of time and effort that you put in okay we need to we need to do it again I think that rubber fish pain from echo was putting in some efforts to gather the information I don't know if he came out with anything Abe in Chicago can tell us if something was put together but you know it's a constant work because they're constantly changing right another thing I can tell you is that I've called up everybody is called up the airline it doesn't show up okay then but you know this happened Steve Steve said shelson well that happens usually ask for a voucher for Makka for some compensation right is no he says because if you don't always get that either he says you can do that and he actually would rather get the compensation than the mere but everybody's already doesn't show up there's not much we can do about that but I've been on on allow and I've ordered the glatt kosher meals is super kosher and they don't they don't give it you can give me the regular kosher meal and I learned did you show them you're clear I've learned that you have to ask from if you're going from the US television regal meal and not just the kosher meal ask them to put you down for the Regal me let's and brand names that they give you that's from from the USFL us yeah tel Aviv back to the US they supposed to input clock Glatt Kosher and then if you're looking for these you know super duper kosher meals that should that should be the be the way to get it when you flying through Europe you know rabbi European stuff that's it that's kind of a opening it you know right you gotta know who's what the soup you know your again debate of the bottom line I shouldn't wait until you're about to eat it to find out if they have strippers relia but I try to find out before you but those European certifications and sometimes less well-known we try to help you if your call us at 410 44 4 110 we'll try to help you we can to go through right now all the different certifications but if you email us or call us info at star educator org we can try to tell you what we know okay um I think there's also meals available for people who go to like Disney World and yes okay this is like that's like that there are so meals available rabbi Abe says rabbi sharp says it's still being worked on that list fulness from the phone akko kosher Ron says a hint for getting your requested kosher food is when you get on board tell the cabin staff that you ordered it sometimes they give it away to some else before giving it to you okay and Eileen has a comment and it's worthwhile to read about being prepared MGK asks hmm domestic what airline soda can you drink okay rabbi buyer that's your expertise when you're running you're traveling what kind of soda can you order can you order a coke all over the world or you have something right we're going to talk about that maybe um domestic you mean within North America so you should be able to drink whatever you drink on the street whatever you combine the story it's the same soda that you have here only airlines as far as we know once you leave North America then things become more complicated the what we've been told at least recently I believe that akko came out with a yeah it was a couple few months ago they were speaking about coca-cola and Pepsi products around the world so I think they were there they came out with saying that coca-cola products in in Europe in Western Europe which would be England and particularly France places like that were fine and also i think in australian obviously in Israel but once you get to Eastern Europe I don't think that's I'm not sure about Russia nowadays because maybe Russia has had a bit of a bit of a renaissance Jewish ly speaking so it could be that the local conscious people there might be taken care of it pepsi-cola as far as I know is is the same pretty much around the world except for I think a couple of country not not talk about Africa and not talking about the countries in Asia but in Europe and Australia South America except for maybe Venezuela we were told at Pepsi should be fine so if I'm traveling so basically if I'm traveling to Europe through you're to Israel or whatever to rest in Europe I think I think the sodas are fine it's okay if you're you know if you're flying flying through Istanbul right I'm not sure what the interview get turkey turkish so yeah not sure about the story is there okay all right I mean the same thing would be if you're traveling about Scandinavia you know right i think scandinavia would probably be the same as Western Europe the thing is also when you're if you're on the ground in these places p so impressed can you can you like all the coal in China if I could call in India and it's not clear to something that that's that that's necessarily it's the same issue you really want to know what's the problem what's the potential problem of coke or pepsi and asia would be the flavor right there slavery is a different thing we don't know mm-hmm you assume it's basically the same but it's not necessarily true Abe says sometimes a soda from other countries ends up on the plane here in the states and return trip from Europe you need to make sure they can comes from the United States okay so you have to look at the can right so it has a bunch of writing like that you can't pronounce right okay now it wants to know who need to see RCB every list sure put it up hey babe we have one as well and my dad we can put that up and heiress was the first okay right Rocco says he has a problem with Mexico soda he had a problem to water it cause him some lots of all issues that's all different story wouldn't they wouldn't you think that coke and mentos Malta would take care of this will buzz revenge is not the only thing right when do you think that Coke in Mexico with filtered water or maybe they have to boil it or something too who knows what they have moving down there I don't know okay no guarantees on that good okay drink at your own risk okay have you checked to see if the coke syrup is different in Asia it's not could you check with code what we do we got information from the oh you was right is really it was the one below your certify that certifies it would you know Coco wouldn't be able to hold it up right now which one welcome to list thing I think that we say her hey put the link on right we didn't have the link under that information have the overseas yes it does yes at uh he's online I think it's home yeah what we have it on our list is also a bye jabby can you check if that link that you brought up has on it the overseas information about coca-cola overseas if it does take a look at that and then if it does we'll bring it up there is something else we get questions about when people are traveling they want to know what time they can down on the airplane because you're going through time zone changes and so on there is a very good site it's called high tables dot-com I smell that how you spell down okay och AI yeah it's already done high tables I thought you better give them like rabbi evers number or something about that high tables dot-com is a site where you can input your your flight information when you're taking off from where you're going to very important to market daylight savings time or not sometimes it's daylight savings time we're here leaving from but not yet were you you know waiting arriving and they will give you the table um based on your takeoff time you can daven maariv two hours into the flight 23 hours and 25 chacras is six hours of the flight until sometimes the time for sharpness is very limited right normally you can downsize from six to ten or whatever but but on the plane you may only have two hours right you know to say the you know we just have the we had the chief rabbi of Norway here right in the office last week I believe right and I know when I was traveling in Scandinavia and there was if you go in the winter time which is I made the mistake of doing as well as cold okay but there's a you can daven this is a January so you can dive in Nate's at nine o'clock in the morning in the wintertime in Wow and then you could have a minute I'll around three or 330 because it's so little daylight but he was telling us that there's a there is a point really far north in Norway where that never ever ever was discussing this with him where you can actually dive in Shaffer's been to my roof like in rapid succession because the Sun just moved so quickly right at that desk for North right um I remember I was on the plane once and I mean there was someone sleeping through chakras you know means he came over to me and asked me when the million is but it was already passed the time to Dhabi I told him it's too late you can you know you can dive in two minutes to make up for the shot is that you missed because if you blink sometimes an overnight flight you know an hour and a half two hours you're gonna miss the the time so you want to print out that sheet before you get on the plane and it also tell you if you plane is delayed you know then the times change so in tell you if you planes delayed 15 minutes an hour two hours three hours four hours well you're how you're downloading times will change and that's very important to take to be able to done properly you can't always just look out the window and see you know any unlawful searches you know everyone's phone minilogue or whatever as far as how to dive a long time you mean sitting or with me sitting or standing in with the minyan you know you want to cook helper we give yourself we took a poll we have fifty percent of the people saying they should diamond sitting and fifty percent would say no where's god I know if I obviously we'll both try to avoid downloading on plants as much as we can but if I do have to do that and I have to put on my to fill in then I will have I would have already told the flight attendant that I'm doing that right because of that you know there was a story with it they thought it from the bomb or something good idea tell the flight attendant you're just going to be putting on some religious boxes right mmm right I personally lean towards the sitting in the seat and daunting that's a late because I've done the other way of getting up and dabbing with a minion and it's usually near the bathroom and you end up disturbing other people and it's the upsets clarify some time does the flight attendants don't don't don't don't appreciate it and I mean it sort of depends on what we need is but I intend to you know I can and I can have more couple of ellipses over so I go those who say that just stopping by you see but everybody has their own I thought I smelled something I get depends I guess on the Plato's I saw something recently one of the jewish news sites there was a flight to uman i think ok and it was always a majority of from people and there are some non juicer also but one of the people have different people decided to treat the whole plane to beverages great and i bought for everyone so if you do that kind of thing that you can kind of right do what you want to stand up any i was it a kosher coke in the one that's a good question i don't know so Robert job and does that link have the overseas information oh I didn't find anything you can see you later okay fun alright so we have that information available we just have to find it okay um let me make available to you that article from mr.c sighs she'll just it's just travel tips really not that much to do with a local but i want to to make it available okay so you should have on your screen to the wonders of technology now you can download that article if you if you want to it's an article about basically saving money and travel tips and renting cars and from an expert in the field who also it does deal with the kosher and religious aspects of things and how to how they dive together I think Steve also read article once about that when he was in his all year mm-hmm how we had to try and make a minyan all over the you know countryside trying to make a minute radish right can be right challenging right he mentioned the sites that that tell you where the minyanim are like go daven com if you're in the unfamiliar City you go to that website and you can find out where I wearing the Dhavan and went to daven but he says that you have to double check with the went to shul itself because the times there are sometimes not reliable and also the availability of having a minion is unreliable in other ideas sometimes rearrange the schedule to be at that minion and there was no main you find out that you know they don't have meaning that day so you always make sure to to do that I was in I was in somewhere on the East Coast in the small town and I call it was about and I called the rabbi during all annoyed I called him to see you know what I'm Dominion are many of the minion is beyond Lamar and he said you know I think we're going to have a meeting yeah I peon okay so does that mean I should travel the 30 minutes to get there or not and you know we did have a minion in the end but you know that's what it is he's trying to put it together it depends how many calls against right so we're not gonna get into the logical of I mean is there much traffic issues with traveling to places where you know they won't be anything and if you know there won't be certain things that that you would mean as a kosher keeping jew or okay that's a fair question i think that's an individual question yeah I don't say yes yes very good yeah which would refer people back to their the halacha about it is that if there is a minion within 18 minutes drive or walk of where you are then you have an obligation to go that engine assuming that you're able to write nothing extenuating but you know if technically if you're in a place where the million is more than 18 minutes away you're not obligated technically to go but the question is should you put yourself in that situation a and B is even if it is 20 minutes of whether half hour an hour way maybe I should still go that depends on the person that's an individual question we'll leave that certainly a person tried to there were a lot of these kind of flesh golf a colonic issues that need to be dealt with right right before you travel really have to have a talk with your rabbi we have a session ok so I think so figure before you though they bring up all these issues I mean you know nowadays people are becoming a lot more daring in the Jewish world as far as what they're doing for travel mm-hmm and with that comes a lot of challenges i'm going to take down this this article and if you didn't get a hold of it then please give us give us a ring and we'll link available to you we've got special permission from the what when and where to share so ok let me close that go back to our other system here which is this ok ok um mzk says it's hard to put on film sitting ok sorry do it what started village / happy every day right um so you can stand for putting on and fill in there then ok MZ cases friend for the airport has a shoe okay that's nice canal chef cake right is that true after security or before security in Tel Aviv I was in Israel not too long ago and they have they have to show they want rule before security I think I say one was like I video sorry your women of the wall can there everything alone but I didn't really know this till recently that there's actually a shoe laughter security right if you walk into the to the big rotunda where all the shops are right to the right over there there is a spell on them there's this for security and after that's well you want to get through security as fast as you can because you don't know how long it's going to take you and then you have time before you fly so I was there recently about six o'clock in the morning and they were it's a million factory there was minion after minyan it was you know Nate's minion and it was very nice my parents yes very nice both people going all over the world but they're coming together right you try to find the places closest to my gate that's you know I'm traveling internationally or nationally closer to my gate that's not run that crowded not crowded right you know okay right sarah cloody that is possible mm-hmm I don't talk too late on that in public right janitor right okay Ron says I doubted in the food gallery on the ground at an intermediate stop in Tripoli Netherlands until the food was restocked with assault rifle honor military escorts order me to move through the security restrictions okay so that's pretty wow that's not the right place to go ebony thought you were from a different religion in religion of a sin in the United States usually there won't have that problem find a fine ay-ay-ay you know deserted gate and you can dive in there without any issues you wit asks if this is a beverage question everybody the beverage list is long are there any sodas from major companies that are not kosher maybe we should have a list of so there's not i am you know the crc it mean dave has a more extensive list of what not to drink the other do then we do yes really you have a risk of what's not coach we have a little bit we don't have as crc does all right we did have some rob a baby can we have your link we need to link now um I mean there's a couple of rule of thumbs I think maybe there's certain flavors that that you think you want to you know avoid because I'm a what great for example k or if you look on the ingredients not obviously if it's a foreign country you can't read it then then that's not going to help you but snot will have to read the ingredients and so now you're probably I can really nice and stand that I understand that but they're obviously that obviously mrs. grape juice or it's a grape soda or if it's a weird flavor you've never heard of you know those are certainly things you want to shy away from you know certain simple flavors ginger ale cold waivers are usually right behind Minh says that you never come across another ginger ale right right so right that's my drink of choice wherever I am just going to ginger pickle mmm i wanted to talk a few minutes about some of the hotel issues you mentioned the coffee maker in the room question and I am and I address that in the article i have one hotels on our site we were a little concerned that the carafes might be used for some of the heat up soup even though it's unusual unlikely thing but it is a possibility you know they'll fill it up they'll follow up with water and put their soup in and put it in the carafe and put it on the heating pad and heat up the right we were we were concerned about that but nowadays you tell tell me if i'm wrong i don't even see the crafts anymore right that's all once all usually want to eat it's a cup right one single use I don't think we really have to be concerned people pouring soup into the top they would really stuff it up or ruin it I'm not I don't I think it's less than concern nowadays and it used to be a yoke at least when I can travel in recently if I stay in hotel usually feels like he's pod run a coffee makers right now theoretically he could you could pursue Penelope Potter I think the concern is much less than it used to be with these CML use I don't think a person has to be concerned about it unless you see that it's you know obviously dirty with something other than coffee people sometimes stay in hotels for shabbos that aren't offering their own culture the food and they want to put up a hot plate in the in the hotel um you know that's okay as long as the hotel is okay with it right right sometimes the hotels have rules against these things in person set off the fire alarm Elsa well they want to like Java scandals also a problem right if they're eating in the room they want like Chavez candles in the room you should get permission for that I was in the hotel and we I asked if it's okay and they said sure just wouldn't it wouldn't be a problem one he said one or two candles would be fine as long as you're in the room watching it and they wouldn't set off their smoke detectors they told her that's what I imagine a lot of hotels would say you know nothing to lay no way back no that's what I would expect right but so you can ask them in send and see what they would they what they say MGK says shabbos is practically impossible in European hotel because of automatic lights that's what he says I mean as you walk into the into the hallway I guess one making in a room even in the room even in the room this I don't know I mean I was in Europe a few years ago and i didn't i didn't have that problem I think it depends on how modern I think they're getting more and more common that when you open the door to room the lights go on that's true even in America they're trying to save save money again I've got some way of disseminated that you really need to plan in advance but you have to seek out the the job is friendly hotels call him ask around in the right or maybe it is some way to override that kind of a thing possibly right we discussed right hand this in your article I think also correct right right there are some some places if you open the patio door the the air conditioning goes off because they don't want the air conditioned to escape you know the heat of the outside what's the point you have the door open and you have the air conditioning on it's going to be incredibly expensive if you leave it like that so it was off when you open the door goes on when you close it obviously you can do that just as a way to leave it up with Justin maybe an inch or something I don't know if you leave it over the entry won't have air conditioning all jobs no I'm saying is it that sensitive that little because it's open it just a little crack it'll go off your time right sure thing no I don't think it's the temperature thing so you have to find a way to override that if you want to open your patio door see all these things one thing that I would like to mention is rubber Hyneman has the leniency with it with the keys the electronic keys of course it's better to find a hotel that shabbos currently that has you know regular keys and a lot of the hotels in there to throw have regular keys for shabbos that of the mahajan hotels will have a regular key that you can use for shabbos least that's my experience but you know if you have if they give you a key that's a that's a card included chip what do you do right behind them in holes that you can give it leave it at the front desk explain to them that you need someone to open up the door on shabbos on job as you go down ask them to come up with you and open the door and then take to keep back with them you know you don't want to do that more than a couple times over shabbos to bother them you know you only do it when you have a real need to go into the room like to go to sleep get your food uple times over shabbos and he holds a desk permitted it to she was to show us more cammisa that's the technical reason why is permitted of course we can avoid that it would be it would be better if it's become very difficult to avoid that MGK says he stuffs the self cellophane in the latch okay so in other words when you leave the room you leave the door open you find some way of leaving the door open if a person is comfortable with that that's fine is obviously not something that the start cake can recommend for safety issues I did hear of somebody who's able to latch it with a chain lock through the through the door jamb and threw somehow lock it I was looking into a door locks that you can lock from the outside there is such a thing somebody wants to investigate that I did a little bit of research there are locks that's sort of slip under your door and then have it have a key and and it's a separate lot from what the hotel provides and buy a separate locket one part you put on the inside of the door and then you close it and then you put the other part on the outside and you push it together and then nobody can open your door and it has a little key I forget what it's called yeah those are interested can look into that I thought that was an interesting shabbos friendly sort of lock maybe for next time I'll get the information on that okay let's take some final questions here at my buyer people pointing out some of the issues they have in hotels mmm Ron says in a hotel in frankfurt on friday afternoon i noticed the whole lights were on automatic I found if I squat dog walk I did not activate the lights okay oh ok that's something you can try before shabbos right ok when I came back from sure the lights were all on I later called the owner and was told they sometimes have observant Jews as hotel guests so they keep the lights on for Shabbat I thanked him and told him I was the Jew they had noticed ok that's very good that's a great story in other words you can ask the hotel if they want to be friendly you know they want to have customers in many places you know they want to be amenable and so tell them you know in advance that this is what this is what you need right ok in Tokyo the room key is inserted in a switch in the room to activate the lights and air conditioning as an energy saver lights and AC go off when you leave with the key the Hotel gave me an extra special key to keeping a lot keep the lights on for a shabbos ok so in other words you put your key when you after you enter the room if you put your key in a slot in the run I think I've seen that in depth that's right energy-saving so they gave him an extra key so that he would be able to keep them off your shirt on for shops that's great that's nice has she is asking would you be able to explain why having the hotel staff open the door for you is considered she was too short and also wise considered a mocha miss miss he wants the detail Hologic explanation explanation on that it would be a mocha Mitzvah it would be a mitzvah if you're going in for a reason that this job is related like to go to sleep to eat if you're just going in together you know something that you don't really need to get in it wouldn't be a missive but only chaves is a missile so that's why you want to minimize the times that you're going in as far as the hostess was opening asking a non-jew to do something is evancho's and putting the key in is another and I have it in my article actually little details it's a footnote in the article on hotels so you can take a look at that over there ok right bye-bye I think that we come to the end of our program we have some more to talk about but we're over time if anybody has any further questions and welcome to email us at info at star dash KO RG or call us for 10 4844 110 we should really get that soda information up on the web without the Florence Oh is something people really just want to want to know I want to thank robert chapman and then be for being here and helping us with the technicalities thank you for joining us our your listeners next month the last wednesday of june uhm we will time we will have another webinar if you want to find these webinars where they are archived go to stark star dash georg and look for our education section and look for the videos there but they're also up on the vimeo will take a couple of days to get this up so it was a couple of a few days to review it than to go over it and then it should be up thanks very much for joining us and have a great day and thank you safe traveling wherever they may take you go to be well