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05-25-2016 Travel Kosher 2016
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STAR-K Kashrus Administrators Rabbi Zvi Goldberg and Rabbi Boruch Beyer discuss the kashrus implications while traveling.
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the middle or end of this program we're
going to give out an article no freebies
i'm giving out of prizes on it we used
to do protestant a long time ago is to
do prizes and we still
but we're giving out an article collar
we're giving out an article written by
Steve scishow who travels hundreds of
thousands of miles a year and his
practical tips money-saving tips also
even he wrote about renting cars and
hotels and and other such issues and it
was printed here in our fault Allure
magazine but we got permission to give
it out to you so we're going to make it
available on your screen that you can
download a little bit later yep mm-hmm
Rick and Columbus is here Rick Rick I
spoke to rick this past month es if he
comes every month but he had some
trouble hooking up and we help them get
back on that's aunt and on the back Rick
okay that may be easier so grab my buyer
let's start with food I think because
food is a challenge for the coach to
travel right you have some you got some
responses to an inquiry what is would
write the challenge basically I looked
at it they all said food so it's a
challenge getting you know it's been
like that ever since we were you know
when we were kids and we had that I
remember you know my mother having to
pack the whole cooler full of food to go
more mirror and then as a kid looking at
all the people who don't keep kosher you
know going out to eat at night and
you're stuck you know eating cold cut
sandwiches if you're lucky right well so
it's a problem but you know the truth is
when I travel for the starcade so I
don't usually take food with me unless
I'm going overseas but if I'm staying
here in these in the United States then
I mean this there's plenty available in
Super Mario market there's Walmart's all
over the place does
close your food out there right you can
purchase not talking really about meat
things like that but is there certainly
you know fish and you know things of
that nature this also course peanut
butter but I have regular meals like I
have at home obviously our challenger
that's a problem so so on that note when
you go to the airports you know you see
everybody lining up to buy food because
it's lunchtime at suppertime and and
they have to they have to have something
we did a article recently on something
that not everybody knows about in the
New York area JFK LaGuardia Newark there
is available some really decent stark a
certified meals sandwich sandwich it and
I have some salads and meals and march
against that brought an article Valley
it's on our website and actually i was
in newark once and I went out and I
bought the starcade sandwiches they're
there under the fresco brand any good
yeah surprised I mean not surprisingly
but I mean it was gone it was good and
the main thing I liked about it was that
it was the same price as the non-kosher
sandwiches now it's not cheap it's not
like you're surprised that you're going
to get you know in your local store but
that's that but it wasn't more expensive
just because it was conscious I think it
was ten or eleven dollars of sandwich
what you thats well that's that's what
that's it was the same prices in on
cosier sheesh so I am NOT a bigger
expense account oh I got a bag of chips
that I feel lucky when you're hungry so
it does it does help so you have to look
for the the you have to make sure you're
getting the kosher product the labels
are the same when they say color as the
as a non-kosher the name is different
it's called
fresco fresco kosher it says that
clearly unable to same color I think the
green issue there was that on purpose I
think that's the only way the airport
would allow it didn't they didn't want
to have you know Moishe's hey Misha
brand of sandwiches being sold so it has
a different name it has it different it
has i did a little different look and as
a star kelly on it you have to look for
the action it's available in let's say
in newark there naseebo express stands
sebo express see IBO which sells also
you know they sell everything they sell
food and other things as well there is a
near the gate in newark airport if you
ever go to Erin to stroll from Newark on
your nitin it's a near gate 139th all
the way in the back of terminal see that
make people go to swell from yes like
that because they have a special
security system over there it's not an
open area area you have to go through a
double check before you get on the
flight to air to throw the newark flight
united and over there there's a complete
kosher market like everything in the
store is kosher I've never been there
but yeah not everything is Starrcade
they have the sandwich is there too they
sell well sebo itself is stocking kosher
stuff there that's nice I'm good of
course you have to check the symbol on
each each item then you have more do you
have seven locations you have a JFK 10
or 15 locations and in JFK they also
become a different names called box box
chef but also has a Starrcade and and
you want to look for it look for it
there now I have a question for you now
looking great if we could put that into
the rest stops or the ones on the first
Lyoko doppio credit well I guess it
has to do with the with the domain you
want to know how much demand it would be
on the Jersey Turnpike probably not once
in a while there might be yeah room 17
husband okay so I have a question for
you a little bit out of the box or a
buyer and I want to see what our
listeners think about this i was in
atlanta on monday visit the point and if
you listening to the news at all you
know that the lines for a security are
out the door literally out the door
Howard waiting four hours for for for
the for the flights even the pre-check
which is you know you go through a
pre-screening with the TSA those lines
are all so long and I was putting
nervous about it and actually turned out
not to be that bad but somebody gave me
a trial subscription to something called
clear clear clear is a orange it's a
private company you give them your
fingerprints the driver's license your
they scan your retina and and then give
him a free ad by the way well I'm just I
have a question about it okay hush
gothic question and then you have to pay
a certain amount every year I the trial
so it was free and then basically they
cut the line for you and they take you
into the clear line which goes in front
of everybody else who's waiting and
takes you right to before the scanners
so you only like we have to wait for
three or four people who are ahead of
you the line could be in other two hours
long but you're going right right in
front right my question for the
listeners is I felt a little
uncomfortable I'm coming in our
listeners survey yes I couldn't make a
poll but I didn't do that do you feel
that there's anything you know dressed
as a religious person a front person and
is there anything would you hesitate to
do that
I paid for it you can pay for it too or
do you think we should put like a look
baseball cap do you say i was wearing
wearing your brother you know a black
hat do you think that a person should
shy away from that and we're not doing
it or it's okay because i paid for it
you can pay for it is about isn't it I
one thing I would say from a la la feat
perspective is it's not it's not you
can't call it a skill a sham that's why
I'm not doing anything wrong it can't be
called a lot like technically it's not a
selection but is it something that we
should is it is that what you're doing
is like this clear thing is I'm like a
pig its outline doors it's obvious
because this special lane it's as clear
on it and actually the clear personnel
bring you to the front of the line they
have to actually escort you they scored
you with their badge and they show their
badge the TSA agent and then you just go
through let's just clear what did the
clear engineer clear agent the clear
person you know there's a person who
works for clear yeah he has like a
little bad they have a badge and a show
to the TSA right yeah not clear so I I
want to hear what what would would
powerful jobs so they have okay so so
Mendel says he saw it in Denver they
only have in ten airports in bwi in
baltimore airport is one of the lucky
airports than have it so for a person
who travels from bwi constantly it would
actually be a great help because you
don't have to you don't know normally
how much to a lot to wait on line the
half hour now I'd only have two hours in
Atlanta three hours Chicago sometimes
right but now that they fired the head
of tsa some things should get better
nothing I'm banking on it if you have
this you just wait five minutes so so I
think the pre-check people kind of got
used to that that you know you're on
that long you know that
I don't think there's any issue with
that but this is kind of a new thing and
you're kind of butting in I took a
little bit of a survey and I got
differing differing answers some people
said there's nothing wrong with it and
if people think is they love is sort of
it look at you funny at anti-semitic a
little bit it doesn't matter whatever
you do they look at you like that and
they don't have a problem with a lot of
people said no it feels a little funny
to cut into the line even if you're
doing it you know legally I think it
depends how long the line is it's a
really long line than rice babe oh I
guess it's Abe from from Chicago to do
it rabbi aide says he sees nothing wrong
with it you pay for it everyone can do
the same Mendel also says he doesn't see
a problem we chose you smart okay i'm
especially smart since i'll blow drying
it out my keys and I don't let you like
you for that reason to smarty choose
that's the farthest st tsa PreCheck i
assume that barred that feels a little
uncomfortable with cutting cutting
cutting into I mean you don't have to
actually pushing away the clear person
does that for you I think eventually
with enough people unclear just like
you're going out with Robbie check right
that it's going to become the same thing
right but when i was there then you
don't have to have like super clear
super super clean anyway okay I thought
I would bring it up and and hey it says
just act like an inch right act like an
inch and you'll be okay you know walk
through humbly and you're okay all right
anyway I just wanted this you know
discussed a little bit see what your
when your thoughts on it might be um you
know there is you know I was thinking it
through a little bit there is a Clio
khurram cornish who talks about the
jealousy that we aroused among the
nation's when we build big houses and
you know and the going walk around and
they see that and the certain jealousy
and he decries it he thinks it's not
exactly the right thing to do I forgot
where the Clio
anybody really wants it like it like it
finding the source you know we tried to
inherent in the in the Diaspora goes we
try to keep a low profile that was not
that was just the other side I was just
thinking but what I'm traveling and they
see us having tuna fish and not very
jealous and I wanna see right right
right when they see that you can't eat
anything that is right okay so let's
leave that leave that be I had a piece
of paper here we have some new songs
really but this I just want oh you're
this okay all right we can just wing it
okay so as far as airline food when you
get on that under the airplane it's
excellent especially the closure so we
don't know we're not speaking about the
you know quality of it we do have an
article and we can get it now you get it
right it's only international usually
right rabbi rosenrot an excellent
article on the subject and he went
through he spent a lot of time going
through the details when you're on this
airline you flying from here this is the
hell you're going to get it so on and so
forth the article though needs to be
updated it was it was present the older
clear articles 2007 there was a few
years ago right and it's a lot of time
and effort that you put in okay we need
to we need to do it again I think that
rubber fish pain from echo was putting
in some efforts to gather the
information I don't know if he came out
with anything Abe in Chicago can tell us
if something was put together but you
know it's a constant work because
they're constantly changing right
another thing I can tell you is that
I've called up everybody is called up
the airline
it doesn't show up okay then but you
know this happened Steve Steve said
shelson well that happens usually ask
for a voucher for Makka for some
compensation right is no he says because
if you don't always get that either he
says you can do that and he actually
would rather get the compensation than
the mere but everybody's already doesn't
show up there's not much we can do about
that but I've been on on allow and I've
ordered the glatt kosher meals is super
kosher and they don't they don't give it
you can give me the regular kosher meal
and I learned did you show them you're
clear I've learned that you have to ask
from if you're going from the US
television regal meal and not just the
kosher meal ask them to put you down for
the Regal me let's and brand names that
they give you that's from from the USFL
us yeah tel Aviv back to the US they
supposed to input clock Glatt Kosher and
then if you're looking for these you
know super duper kosher meals that
should that should be the be the way to
get it when you flying through Europe
you know rabbi European stuff that's it
that's kind of a opening it you know
right you gotta know who's what the soup
you know your again debate of the bottom
line I shouldn't wait until you're about
to eat it to find out if they have
strippers relia but I try to find out
before you but those European
certifications and sometimes less
well-known we try to help you if your
call us at 410 44 4 110 we'll try to
help you we can to go through right now
all the different certifications but if
you email us or call us info at star
educator org we can try to tell you what
we know okay um I think there's also
meals available for people who go to
like Disney World and yes okay this is
like that's like that there are so meals
available rabbi Abe says rabbi sharp
says it's still being worked on that
list fulness from the phone akko kosher
Ron says a hint for getting your
requested kosher food is when you get on
board tell the cabin staff that you
ordered it sometimes they give it away
to some
else before giving it to you okay and
Eileen has a comment and it's worthwhile
to read about being prepared MGK asks
hmm domestic what airline soda can you
drink okay rabbi buyer that's your
expertise when you're running you're
traveling what kind of soda can you
order can you order a coke all over the
world or you have something right we're
going to talk about that maybe um
domestic you mean within North America
so you should be able to drink whatever
you drink on the street whatever you
combine the story it's the same soda
that you have here only airlines as far
as we know once you leave North America
then things become more complicated the
what we've been told at least recently I
believe that akko came out with a yeah
it was a couple few months ago they were
speaking about coca-cola and Pepsi
products around the world so I think
they were there they came out with
saying that coca-cola products in in
Europe in Western Europe which would be
England and particularly France places
like that were fine and also i think in
australian obviously in Israel but once
you get to Eastern Europe I don't think
that's I'm not sure about Russia
nowadays because maybe Russia has had a
bit of a bit of a renaissance Jewish ly
speaking so it could be that the local
conscious people there might be taken
care of it pepsi-cola as far as I know
is is the same pretty much around the
world except for I think a couple of
country not not talk about Africa and
not talking about the countries in Asia
but in Europe and Australia South
America except for maybe Venezuela we
were told at Pepsi should be fine so if
I'm traveling so basically if I'm
traveling to Europe through
you're to Israel or whatever to rest in
Europe I think I think the sodas are
fine it's okay if you're you know if
you're flying flying through Istanbul
right I'm not sure what the interview
get turkey turkish so yeah not sure
about the story is there okay all right
I mean the same thing would be if you're
traveling about Scandinavia you know
right i think scandinavia would probably
be the same as Western Europe the thing
is also when you're if you're on the
ground in these places p so impressed
can you can you like all the coal in
China if I could call in India and it's
not clear to something that that's that
that's necessarily it's the same issue
you really want to know what's the
problem what's the potential problem of
coke or pepsi and asia would be the
flavor right there slavery is a
different thing we don't know mm-hmm you
assume it's basically the same but it's
not necessarily true Abe says sometimes
a soda from other countries ends up on
the plane here in the states and return
trip from Europe you need to make sure
they can comes from the United States
okay so you have to look at the can
right so it has a bunch of writing like
that you can't pronounce right okay now
it wants to know who need to see RCB
every list sure put it up hey babe we
have one as well and my dad we can put
that up and heiress was the first okay
right Rocco says he has a problem with
Mexico soda he had a problem to water it
cause him some lots of all issues that's
all different story wouldn't they
wouldn't you think that coke and mentos
Malta would take care of this will buzz
revenge is not the only thing right when
do you think that Coke in Mexico with
filtered water or maybe they have to
boil it or something too who knows what
they have moving down there I don't know
okay no guarantees on that good okay
drink at your own risk okay have you
checked to see if the coke syrup is
different in Asia it's not could you
check with code what we do we got
information from the oh you was right is
really it was the one below your
certify that certifies it would you know
Coco wouldn't be able to hold it up
right now which one welcome to list
thing I think that we say her hey put
the link on right we didn't have the
link under that information have the
overseas yes it does yes at uh he's
online I think it's home yeah what we
have it on our list is also a bye jabby
can you check if that link that you
brought up has on it the overseas
information about coca-cola overseas if
it does take a look at that and then if
it does we'll bring it up there is
something else we get questions about
when people are traveling they want to
know what time they can down on the
airplane because you're going through
time zone changes and so on there is a
very good site it's called high tables
dot-com I smell that how you spell down
okay och AI yeah it's already done high
tables I thought you better give them
like rabbi evers number or something
about that high tables dot-com is a site
where you can input your your flight
information when you're taking off from
where you're going to very important to
market daylight savings time or not
sometimes it's daylight savings time
we're here leaving from but not yet were
you you know waiting arriving and they
will give you the table um based on your
takeoff time you can daven maariv two
hours into the flight 23 hours and 25
chacras is six hours of the flight until
sometimes the time for sharpness is very
limited right normally you can downsize
from six to ten or whatever but but on
the plane you may only have two hours
right you know to say the you know we
just have the we had the chief rabbi of
Norway here right in the office last
week I believe right and I know when I
was traveling in Scandinavia and there
was if you go in the winter time which
is I made the mistake of doing as well
as cold okay
but there's a you can daven this is a
January so you can dive in Nate's at
nine o'clock in the morning in the
wintertime in Wow and then you could
have a minute I'll around three or 330
because it's so little daylight but he
was telling us that there's a there is a
point really far north in Norway where
that never ever ever was discussing this
with him where you can actually dive in
Shaffer's been to my roof like in rapid
succession because the Sun just moved so
quickly right at that desk for North
right um I remember I was on the plane
once and I mean there was someone
sleeping through chakras you know means
he came over to me and asked me when the
million is but it was already passed the
time to Dhabi I told him it's too late
you can you know you can dive in two
minutes to make up for the shot is that
you missed because if you blink
sometimes an overnight flight you know
an hour and a half two hours you're
gonna miss the the time so you want to
print out that sheet before you get on
the plane and it also tell you if you
plane is delayed you know then the times
change so in tell you if you planes
delayed 15 minutes an hour two hours
three hours four hours well you're how
you're downloading times will change and
that's very important to take to be able
to done properly you can't always just
look out the window and see you know any
unlawful searches you know everyone's
phone minilogue or whatever as far as
how to dive a long time you mean sitting
or with me sitting or standing in with
the minyan you know you want to cook
helper we give yourself we took a poll
we have fifty percent of the people
saying they should diamond sitting and
fifty percent would say no where's god I
know if I obviously we'll both try to
avoid downloading on plants as much as
we can but if I do have to do that and I
have to put on my to fill in then I will
have I would have already told the
flight attendant that I'm doing that
right because of that you know there was
a story with it they thought it from the
bomb or something good idea tell the
flight attendant
you're just going to be putting on some
religious boxes right mmm right I
personally lean towards the sitting in
the seat and daunting that's a late
because I've done the other way of
getting up and dabbing with a minion and
it's usually near the bathroom and you
end up disturbing other people and it's
the upsets clarify some time does the
flight attendants don't don't don't
don't appreciate it and I mean it sort
of depends on what we need is but I
intend to you know I can and I can have
more couple of ellipses over so I go
those who say that just stopping by you
see but everybody has their own I
thought I smelled something I get
depends I guess on the Plato's I saw
something recently one of the jewish
news sites there was a flight to uman i
think ok and it was always a majority of
from people and there are some non
juicer also but one of the people have
different people decided to treat the
whole plane to beverages great and i
bought for everyone so if you do that
kind of thing that you can kind of right
do what you want to stand up any i was
it a kosher coke in the one that's a
good question i don't know so Robert job
and does that link have the overseas
information oh I didn't find anything
you can see you later okay fun alright
so we have that information available we
just have to find it okay um let me make
available to you that article from mr.c
sighs she'll just it's just travel tips
really not that much to do with a local
but i want to to make it available okay
so you should have on your screen to the
wonders of technology now you can
download that article if you if you want
to it's an article about basically
saving money and travel tips and renting
cars and from an expert in the field who
also it does deal with the kosher and
religious aspects of
things and how to how they dive together
I think Steve also read article once
about that when he was in his all year
mm-hmm how we had to try and make a
minyan all over the you know countryside
trying to make a minute radish right can
be right challenging right he mentioned
the sites that that tell you where the
minyanim are like go daven com if you're
in the unfamiliar City you go to that
website and you can find out where I
wearing the Dhavan and went to daven but
he says that you have to double check
with the went to shul itself because the
times there are sometimes not reliable
and also the availability of having a
minion is unreliable in other ideas
sometimes rearrange the schedule to be
at that minion and there was no main you
find out that you know they don't have
meaning that day so you always make sure
to to do that I was in I was in
somewhere on the East Coast in the small
town and I call it was about and I
called the rabbi during all annoyed I
called him to see you know what I'm
Dominion are many of the minion is
beyond Lamar and he said you know I
think we're going to have a meeting yeah
I peon okay so does that mean I should
travel the 30 minutes to get there or
not and you know we did have a minion in
the end but you know that's what it is
he's trying to put it together it
depends how many calls against right so
we're not gonna get into the logical of
I mean is there much traffic issues with
traveling to places where you know they
won't be anything and if you know there
won't be certain things that that you
would mean as a kosher keeping jew or
okay that's a fair question i think
that's an individual question yeah I
don't say yes yes very good yeah which
would refer people back to their the
halacha about it is that if there is a
minion within 18 minutes drive or walk
of where you are then you have an
obligation to go
that engine assuming that you're able to
write nothing extenuating but you know
if technically if you're in a place
where the million is more than 18
minutes away you're not obligated
technically to go but the question is
should you put yourself in that
situation a and B is even if it is 20
minutes of whether half hour an hour way
maybe I should still go that depends on
the person that's an individual question
we'll leave that certainly a person
tried to there were a lot of these kind
of flesh golf a colonic issues that need
to be dealt with right right before you
travel really have to have a talk with
your rabbi we have a session ok so I
think so figure before you though they
bring up all these issues I mean you
know nowadays people are becoming a lot
more daring in the Jewish world as far
as what they're doing for travel mm-hmm
and with that comes a lot of challenges
i'm going to take down this this article
and if you didn't get a hold of it then
please give us give us a ring and we'll
link available to you we've got special
permission from the what when and where
to share so ok let me close that go back
to our other system here which is this
ok ok um mzk says it's hard to put on
film sitting ok sorry do it what started
village / happy every day right um so
you can stand for putting on and fill in
there then ok MZ cases friend for the
airport has a shoe okay that's nice
canal chef cake right is that true after
security or before security in Tel Aviv
I was in Israel not too long ago and
they have they have to show they want
rule before security I think I say one
was like I video sorry your women of the
wall can there everything
alone but I didn't really know this till
recently that there's actually a shoe
laughter security right if you walk into
the to the big rotunda where all the
shops are right to the right over there
there is a spell on them there's this
for security and after that's well you
want to get through security as fast as
you can because you don't know how long
it's going to take you and then you have
time before you fly so I was there
recently about six o'clock in the
morning and they were it's a million
factory there was minion after minyan it
was you know Nate's minion and it was
very nice my parents yes very nice both
people going all over the world but
they're coming together right you try to
find the places closest to my gate
that's you know I'm traveling
internationally or nationally closer to
my gate that's not run that crowded not
crowded right you know okay right sarah
cloody that is possible mm-hmm I don't
talk too late on that in public right
janitor right okay Ron says I doubted in
the food gallery on the ground at an
intermediate stop in Tripoli Netherlands
until the food was restocked with
assault rifle honor military escorts
order me to move through the security
restrictions okay so that's pretty wow
that's not the right place to go ebony
thought you were from a different
religion in religion of a sin in the
United States usually there won't have
that problem find a fine ay-ay-ay you
know deserted gate and you can dive in
there without any issues you wit asks if
this is a beverage question everybody
the beverage list is long are there any
sodas from major companies that are not
kosher maybe we should have a list of so
there's not i am you know the crc it
mean dave has a more extensive list of
what not to drink the other do then we
do yes really you have a risk of what's
not coach we have a little bit we don't
have as
crc does all right we did have some rob
a baby can we have your link we need to
link now um I mean there's a couple of
rule of thumbs I think maybe there's
certain flavors that that you think you
want to you know avoid because I'm a
what great for example k or if you look
on the ingredients not obviously if it's
a foreign country you can't read it then
then that's not going to help you but
snot will have to read the ingredients
and so now you're probably I can really
nice and stand that I understand that
but they're obviously that obviously
mrs. grape juice or it's a grape soda or
if it's a weird flavor you've never
heard of you know those are certainly
things you want to shy away from you
know certain simple flavors ginger ale
cold waivers are usually right behind
Minh says that you never come across
another ginger ale right right so right
that's my drink of choice wherever I am
just going to ginger pickle mmm i wanted
to talk a few minutes about some of the
hotel issues you mentioned the coffee
maker in the room question and I am and
I address that in the article i have one
hotels on our site we were a little
concerned that the carafes might be used
for some of the heat up soup even though
it's unusual unlikely thing but it is a
possibility you know they'll fill it up
they'll follow up with water and put
their soup in and put it in the carafe
and put it on the heating pad and heat
up the right we were we were concerned
about that but nowadays you tell tell me
if i'm wrong i don't even see the crafts
anymore right that's all once all
usually want to eat it's a cup right one
single use I don't think we really have
to be concerned people pouring soup into
the top they would really stuff it up or
ruin it I'm not I don't I think it's
less than concern nowadays and it used
to be a yoke at least when I can travel
in recently if I stay in hotel usually
feels like he's pod run a coffee makers
right now theoretically he could you
could pursue Penelope Potter
I think the concern is much less than it
used to be with these CML use I don't
think a person has to be concerned about
it unless you see that it's you know
obviously dirty with something other
than coffee people sometimes stay in
hotels for shabbos that aren't offering
their own culture the food and they want
to put up a hot plate in the in the
hotel um you know that's okay as long as
the hotel is okay with it right right
sometimes the hotels have rules against
these things in person set off the fire
alarm Elsa well they want to like Java
scandals also a problem right if they're
eating in the room they want like Chavez
candles in the room you should get
permission for that I was in the hotel
and we I asked if it's okay and they
said sure just wouldn't it wouldn't be a
problem one he said one or two candles
would be fine as long as you're in the
room watching it and they wouldn't set
off their smoke detectors they told her
that's what I imagine a lot of hotels
would say you know nothing to lay no way
back no that's what I would expect right
but so you can ask them in send and see
what they would they what they say MGK
says shabbos is practically impossible
in European hotel because of automatic
lights that's what he says I mean as you
walk into the into the hallway I guess
one making in a room even in the room
even in the room this I don't know I
mean I was in Europe a few years ago and
i didn't i didn't have that problem I
think it depends on how modern I think
they're getting more and more common
that when you open the door to room the
lights go on that's true even in America
they're trying to save save money again
I've got some way of disseminated that
you really need to plan in advance but
you have to seek out the the job is
friendly hotels call him ask around in
the right or maybe it is some way to
override that kind of a thing
possibly right we discussed right hand
this in your article I think also
correct right right there are some some
places if you open the patio door the
the air conditioning goes off because
they don't want the air conditioned to
escape you know the heat of the outside
what's the point you have the door open
and you have the air conditioning on
it's going to be incredibly expensive if
you leave it like that so it was off
when you open the door goes on when you
close it obviously you can do that just
as a way to leave it up with Justin
maybe an inch or something I don't know
if you leave it over the entry won't
have air conditioning all jobs no I'm
saying is it that sensitive that little
because it's open it just a little crack
it'll go off your time right sure thing
no I don't think it's the temperature
thing so you have to find a way to
override that if you want to open your
patio door see all these things one
thing that I would like to mention is
rubber Hyneman has the leniency with it
with the keys the electronic keys of
course it's better to find a hotel that
shabbos currently that has you know
regular keys and a lot of the hotels in
there to throw have regular keys for
shabbos that of the mahajan hotels will
have a regular key that you can use for
shabbos least that's my experience but
you know if you have if they give you a
key that's a that's a card included chip
what do you do right behind them in
holes that you can give it leave it at
the front desk explain to them that you
need someone to open up the door on
shabbos on job as you go down ask them
to come up with you and open the door
and then take to keep back with them you
know
you don't want to do that more than a
couple times over shabbos to bother them
you know you only do it when you have a
real need to go into the room like to go
to sleep get your food uple times over
shabbos and he holds a desk permitted it
to she was to show us more cammisa
that's the technical reason why is
permitted of course we can avoid that it
would be it would be better if it's
become very difficult to avoid that MGK
says he stuffs the self cellophane in
the latch okay so in other words when
you leave the room you leave the door
open you find some way of leaving the
door open if a person is comfortable
with that that's fine is obviously not
something that the start cake can
recommend for safety issues I did hear
of somebody who's able to latch it with
a chain lock through the through the
door jamb and threw somehow lock it I
was looking into a door locks that you
can lock from the outside there is such
a thing somebody wants to investigate
that I did a little bit of research
there are locks that's sort of slip
under your door and then have it have a
key and and it's a separate lot from
what the hotel provides and buy a
separate locket one part you put on the
inside of the door and then you close it
and then you put the other part on the
outside and you push it together and
then nobody can open your door and it
has a little key I forget what it's
called yeah those are interested can
look into that I thought that was an
interesting shabbos friendly sort of
lock maybe for next time I'll get the
information on that okay let's take some
final questions here at my buyer people
pointing out some of the issues they
have in hotels
mmm Ron says in a hotel in frankfurt on
friday afternoon i noticed the whole
lights were on automatic I found if I
squat dog walk I did not activate the
lights okay oh ok that's something you
can try before shabbos right ok when I
came back from sure the lights were all
on I later called the owner and was told
they sometimes have observant Jews as
hotel guests so they keep the lights on
for Shabbat I thanked him and told him I
was the Jew they had noticed ok that's
very good that's a great story in other
words you can ask the hotel if they want
to be friendly you know they want to
have customers in many places you know
they want to be amenable and so tell
them you know in advance that this is
what this is what you need right ok in
Tokyo the room key is inserted in a
switch in the room to activate the
lights and air conditioning as an energy
saver lights and AC go off when you
leave with the key the Hotel gave me an
extra special key to keeping a lot keep
the lights on for a shabbos ok so in
other words you put your key when you
after you enter the room if you put your
key in a slot in the run I think I've
seen that in depth that's right
energy-saving so they gave him an extra
key so that he would be able to keep
them off your shirt on for shops that's
great that's nice has she is asking
would you be able to explain why having
the hotel staff open the door for you is
considered she was too short and also
wise considered a mocha miss miss he
wants the detail Hologic explanation
explanation on that it would be a mocha
Mitzvah it would be a mitzvah if you're
going in for a reason that this job is
related like to go to sleep to eat if
you're just going in together you know
something that you don't really need to
get in it wouldn't be a missive but only
chaves is a missile so that's why you
want to minimize the times that you're
going in as far as the hostess was
opening asking a non-jew to do something
is evancho's and putting
the key in is another and I have it in
my article actually little details it's
a footnote in the article on hotels so
you can take a look at that over there
ok right bye-bye I think that we come to
the end of our program we have some more
to talk about but we're over time if
anybody has any further questions and
welcome to email us at info at star dash
KO RG or call us for 10 4844 110 we
should really get that soda information
up on the web without the Florence Oh is
something people really just want to
want to know I want to thank robert
chapman and then be for being here and
helping us with the technicalities thank
you for joining us our your listeners
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