03-23-2021 Halachos of Erev Pesach on Shabbos

thank you rabbi haber for taking out time from busy busy busy week yep i have the busiest week of the year thank you for thank you for having me um thank you i want to thank everyone for joining with us today for this uh this webinar our webinars are usually held the last wednesday of each month at noon but everything is different this year it's a it's uh manish uh shauna jazos um i want to mention that the pesach products webinar that we had two weeks ago is available on our website star-k.org videos all about new products and what needs actually what doesn't uh you can also download on our website our our pacer guide our app is the links to our app available there all the information is is right there there's a lot that's uh this year is especially uh busy uh if if you want to call in here's the phone number two six seven two seven nine nine thousand two six seven two seven nine nine thousand and the pin is five seven two six one eight one five five i think that the the the an incorrect pin was given on the email but this is uh this is the correct one so the last time we had this uh rabbi hebba was 13 years ago so not everybody remembers what they did then and some people might have people making pests now for the first time might have been kids back then so they don't remember anything absolutely 13 years is long it could actually go 20 years sometimes it will have it happened 1954 to 1974 it didn't happen okay and uh we were kids in 74 it was the first time it had happened since 1954 which was certainly before both of us were born and it'll happen again in four years so whatever you learned on this webinar keep in mind for 2025 habanero top shin pay and then after that it won't be happening for 20 years so mitsushem uh in a tough tough tough um tough tough hey 20 22 i'm sorry 20 45 but it'll happen again so there's a break between 20 25 and 20 45 so it's really it's a unique it's really fascinating because poor amount of friday and era pesach on the shabbos are have their own set of halakhas and it's so infrequent that when it happens um everybody wants to know what to do and and like the beauty of of yiddish kite is that any little knach different means a whole safer of halachas meaning we don't have to celebrate pesach obviously many farmers have been written on it you make one little change you know it's a matzah shabbas and you have era shabbos and now you need a whole new safer to deal with the basic kalakas that we deal with because times before eating comments burning coming says we'll talk about it's you need a whole new whole news which there is for such a special right right so but we are hopeful that we will have uh you know when mashir comes will again be makadish the khodish will make the moons according to the the the exactly you know according to the rear what we see so we could have the schedule will be sooner it could be sooner and it could technically we try to the calendar does try to model what you know what if we'd have a them seeing seeing the moon i see it's trying to model what would happen had there been adam the way it was so technically you know with bashir we'll have uh we'll have also on a sunday again we don't know but the only difference then is you're not going to know until two weeks in advance so you'll have to this webinar those watching this webinar with the shift here will know that they're rushing to find quickly information because he can't print anything fast enough because they didn't know teresh we have to have two two sets of uh of us ready depending on what day of the week it might come out on exactly exactly that's a good point that's a very good point um i want to mention that we have a chat box on the lower right of our screen uh if some people could chat with us just let us know that you hear us and we're clear we appreciate it and also if you have any questions feel free to ask and we will try do our best to get to them at okay loud and clear very good thank you and okay thanks very much for joining let's start robert let's go in order i think uh in chronological order let's start with thursday this coming thursday that's uh in uh in two days from now what what is different about that day this year okay so we have thursday morning and we have thursday night thursday morning we have the times poor which is an interesting actually a very important point the times before of course is the fastest of the first born uh the the prevalent meaning is to attend to see him abu hor doesn't eat or drink until he attends to see him and to see him once he partakes in the see him then he could eat for the rest of the day of course as we all know that's typically arab pesach our basically shabbos this year as we've as we mentioned shabs you know at the fast with the exception of him kipper so we need to we need to move the tightness back even though most tane sim you move ahead they're two tanks in that you move back two fast days one is times esther on shabbos we move back we can't move ahead because sunday's purim and also here we can't move the fast ahead further later because it's pesach so we move it back it's actually very interesting because and it's a little bit confusing because someone asked me shiloh about the fast and and on friday and i right away no no no no no the fast is on thursday when eric when when pesach was a shabbos which next year abolitive pesach will begin on a shabbos so then the fastest error pace on friday when pesach is a shabbos because it's our pesach and we don't we don't move it but here since it's our pesach once we're moving the fast rather than have it on a friday which is uh not a naughty kashmaka data fast it's moved back to thursday so the bottom line is that the times poor takes place on thursday this year on on you know really two days before the normal day we're talking about your bae's nissan and not on on on their pace not on friday either so usually we have usually people make a seam so that they don't have to fast this year there's hundreds of people available should be to be able to make that seam on massachusetts from learning the da fiyomi correct very convenient uh to have it right around pesach and not only that it's to see him so the the the hidden mitzvah is to come into a yantef prepared and those who learned taffy me for the last above three to four months have are coming into pesach in a much more prepared way for all the various dinners that we had in this afternoon okay so that's the morning okay so you make you see him in the morning or you're going to fast the whole day whatever you're going to do and then it comes thursday night so thursday night we do the big this comets and the only thing unique about tapatika's comets is that it's it's technically a different day because normally we do orla basar it's the first bishop the night the evening of the 14th of nisan so if let's say pesach is on a tuesday monday is our bossard is the 14th of nisan so in that case um sunday night the night before the seder would be the bidikez comments this year lal yoda is on friday night we obviously cannot make the biggest comments so the vedica is rolled back 24 hours and it takes place on thursday night or leo gimmel the night of your gimmel nissan other than the time the badegas comets is the exact same you'll do the regular medica following the medical you'll make the regular call chamira that's recited following a regular biggest comments okay so everything's the same you make you make that's fine okay um then uh so thursday night friday morning then and it gets a little more busy right fridays where it gets it's tricky actually you use the word busy because actually this year friday morning will be a touch less busier than a regular era pace of morning because on a regular pace like morning you're finishing the last bite of of hummus and then you're running to burn to burn the hummus and you're really getting ready for the seder totally you know there's the table set everything's ready this year this year it's i would say you'll be busier your mind will be busier trying to ice craze we're trying to calculate what needs to be done so let's go through the morning here the israelis comments technically does not apply until the morning of shabbos morning which we'll talk about when we get to shabbos so in theory you could continue eating comments until shabbos morning and you really can with certain conditions however what about as we know we have to burn the comets shabbos morning you can't burn the comments now let's start a fire you don't have to burn anything on shabbos so we burn the comets on friday now in theory in theory you could really you you technically khazal could have said listen you have all day friday burn the comments you have to shabbos okay you can't burn on shabby so you have to lick benching in theory to burn the comments because infinite wisdom said no we don't we don't want to do that because if you burn your comments at five o'clock friday afternoon or four o'clock friday afternoon next year you're going to come and you can say well last year i burnt my comments on arab pesach in the afternoon so i'll do it again and obviously that would be a colossal error because the reason why last year i.e 2021 tough shampoo if you burnt the hummus friday afternoon was because it wasn't er pesach every peso was the next morning and this year let's say next year 2022 tough should pay pays one second five o'clock in the afternoon pesach that's already this mine of you already missed the boat it's already uh awesome it's ready oscar you you passed this bond it's going to be also you got to buy your own at all slew problems you're over on on possessing the comments so it's a major major error so to avoid that error hazal said no this friday is no different than eredi era pesach and just like every other pesach there's what's called the seif's man beer comments so too we're going to create seismic hummus for friday morning which is whatever time posted we have our our peso guide will tell you many cities united states the latest time for beer hummus in baltimore it happens to be 11 33 in cincinnati it's gonna be a little bit later in boston it's gonna be a little bit earlier whatever time it is that is the seismom beer and therefore you want to you want to rid yourself of the comets with the exception of what you need for shabbos more on that later you want to rid yourself of hummus and you want to burn your comets by the seismic hummus which again in baltimore is 11 33 in the morning the other difference is at the end of the burning you usually say you're called chamira the second time and that's your final call chamira which is saying what i see and what i don't see but here you're not going to say any call kamira because tucked away following your burning is a stash of comments waiting to be consumed on shabbos so richard is asking i think you already answered the question do you need to burn the comments friday morning by a certain time and uh the answer is yes you burn it by the what would have been the regular time if it was air pesa i mean i guess the difference could be if you forgot let's say you you know you didn't realize what time it was and you you you woke up late and uh and you realized a little bit later so then you just go burn the comments at that time i suppose or do you mean like the guy who once called me at two o'clock in the afternoon pesach and said he forgot to sell his comments oh no oh you've got to oh no so i was hoping you know some people they sell their comments but they don't sell real comments so like okay you have a you know you have your ketchup and this which we could maybe deal with is it real common it's not comets is it only kidneys he said i have a b i have a freezer full of bread and bagels oh no he not only saw real comments he sold real comets that was not so simple he had to find the dumpster and uh dump it all out and literally take it all out of his freezer and dump it um so but if it would happen this year technically you you would be both he would have to find a guy to sell it too we'd have to maybe i don't know what i would do but at least he wouldn't be either and he he saw him other than neglecting the takana to burn the comments earlier i see okay um so let's talk about that that hummus that you leave out for for the for shabbos what's the what are you putting away what are you leaving out okay so ideally i mean again in theory i think in theory and i'll tell you ideally in theory if a person wanted to leave our comments for whatever they want they want to um you know they want to serve cheerios shop this morning and they want to eat granola bars friday afternoon in theory that would be okay to do that practically you don't want to leave that kind of comments out because like why are you gonna you know you just clean your house for pesach you're gonna feed your child cereals it's not it's complicated you also get into issues of you know behindman's opinion is anything you leave out was not sold to the guy now this is this is a big discussion amongst the pisces exactly how to deal with the situation but possess you want to minimize this whole issue with with leftovers to avoid any any shiloh that you're getting into and therefore you don't want to do that um you want to leave over but but what you could do is you could first of all before we get to what you left over you've sold your comments everything's done you've put aside comments for shabbats which i'll explain in a minute but let's say you went to a store friday afternoon and you wanted to buy a granola bar or or a donut and eat it and finish it and throw the wrapper by the store into the garbage can wrong with that in other words you sold your comments it's gone you've now purchased a hummus item and you're eating it no problem just make sure you get rid of any any type of of you know leftover that you might have and just you know you technically mafker it you throw it out in the garbage over there but that's if you're hungry friday afternoon for a non-custodial peso item but what you do need is you need pseudo shabbos um the prevalent mini is shabbos uh to eat you know well i mean this champions i'm talking about is to eat um to eat in other words you take a bread you want and now you need luck mishna you need hamaitzi is a person by pseudo shabbos kabay is the size of an egg um it's it's two kaze sim uh roughly going to be in the you know 70's let's say 76 cubic centimeters um whatever you know regular because two cause isomer and that's what you want if you sue shabbos you at least have to eat a casios you have a meal friday night you have a meal shop this morning so you want to put aside what you need for each of those students we could talk about practically what to do but that's that's basically what you want to put aside for for the sudas okay so you're putting that uh you're putting that uh that bread aside friday morning so basically what you're what you're trying to say is even though technically you could leave some other things out you're really just putting everything away friday morning except for those roles that you're going to use for the shabbos meals that's correct uh-huh and if you want to go out for uh some comments that's okay go ahead and you can correct right right practically speaking um okay uh uh usher is asking baltimore is really 11 33 and not 12 10. okay that that's a great question i'm glad someone asked that question maybe we could spend the rest of the webinar on this topic as you know it's an old it's an old favorite the the answer is like this there there are two base opinions and then there's several ways how to determine one of the opinions and that's as follows just to make it very brief there's a there's a well-known i'll give you 30 seconds now 30 seconds not enough time i need i need 30 seconds shows money is in alaska for that answer right really i'll make it i'll make it very simple and that is there are two ways to calculate um incremental times of the day which are safe sponsorships one way is to go sunrise to sunset and divide the day into twelve parts that is the that is the gun that's the raf that's that comes out a more lenient opinion when it comes to uh these times and when he's writing 12 10 usher he's probably referring to the to the goings time the magana from that you go from dawn until which be dawn is when this crack of dawn in the morning which means your day is beginning much earlier it's beginning at dawn so now your your end of your um you know fifth hour of the day or fourth hour a day for eating fifth hour of the day for for burning is gonna be earlier because you got a head start your day instead of beginning when the sun came up right you're beginning it's today the sun came up in baltimore let's say at roughly um let's say you know 7 a.m let's say well dawn was at 5 45 roughly so are you starting your day at 5 45 or 7 o'clock so if you so the bishop brings down that since khamens is dyrisa even though this these times are abundant but the whole concept one should be maximum like the magnet of rum and therefore you get a head start now the hours are longer but you get an earlier time and therefore typically the magnet of rum's time is earlier than that of the gun and then there's how do you calculate dawn and how do you calculate hub at the end of the day that's also a discussion and that's why even in the mughal rum you can have a variance of opinions so rabbi heineman gave us the formula which magnet of ram he wants to use for this calculation and based on that it's not 72 to 72 it's not 72 minutes before sunrise 72 sunset that's that's from henkin and in the um um uh as his tyrol but we take a little bit of a different way of calculating the day and and therefore we end up with with his time okay so richard's asking what if he go is he going to work on friday and he can't get over his comments early in the morning uh what about one o'clock 12 30. i mean i would say he should do what he would do if it would be era pesach in other words what if like like any other year where it's error-paced they burn they just burn it before they go to work and if he wants to take hummus to work again you're burning it and you take your little you know lunch your little uh lunch to with you to work and then you you know you go you finish it off and then shine get rid of anything you don't have you know you're not gonna eat what time is comments burning in in new york or behavior without looking it up hummus burning in new york i don't know all these times by heart oh okay i'll look it up though okay we caught you we could i'm gonna guess it's a few minutes let me take a guess i mean i guess it's about uh 10 22 but let's see if i'm right okay they what they want they want to um they want to talk about egg moss we'll get there i think we'll get there soon soon enough okay new york um oh muncie 10 22. america 22. okay you got it okay yes i won the lottery on those numbers right it's a very educated guess um okay so we finished okay so we put away everything except for the comments that we want to use on uh on on friday night and chubby's um we want to remember can you move your mic a little bit away from further from me further away further from the speak from your speakers because we're getting something yep no problem okay so um i want to remind people that they probably don't want to use regular hollow which is very crummy would you agree with that usually people are using uh pita or bagels or something exactly right practically speaking first of all you want to use fresh rolls again this is not how long this is practical people don't like crumbs you know etc and you know you want to avoid crumbs um ideally you should use fresh rolls not frozen because when you take things out of the freezer they crumb a little bit easier fresh rolls fresh pizza but obviously the issue at hand is you know to eat monsanto pesach right so that's out that leaves you with an option of comets um as far as rolls and therefore correct pizza is a little bit big though it's a little bit hard to calculate because it's on a pizza it's flat it's got you know it's got hollow in the middle but again it certainly works remember however you keep saying cause ice isn't isn't it isn't it they said because you washed with a bracha correct well you're right sudam i'll go through the numbers here there are three several numbers dealing with surah shabbis is a competitive yay sir more than which is two which is tucson to make al jazeeda at the minimum at the bench as a minimum you need a kazias so if somebody can't eat a cobaia then they would be youtuber with a kazaas but i i just use kazayas by road but you're correct i i mean say the khmer yes the other thing is because it has to be within cadets process which is a form of two to four minutes ideally two minutes but they have a four minute that's only the first because i second size how much how much of a let's say uh in baltimore we have the the goldberg's bagels store how much of a bagel of of that is considered the kazias that's a good question i i'm going to guess a gold red bagel i'm going to guess a quarter of a bagel is going to because it's um because a quarter yeah a quarter you can have a good golf ball a quarter of a half a bagel would be a conveyor yeah probably more than a kebab but more than enough but those are pretty big bagels yeah yeah yeah in other words if you want if you want to exactly again what the simplest way is you pull it apart and give it out i think the simplest way and there are two different um facilities here that have shown me their roles and what they want to do is they want to create a cabay of the iceroll and the idea of that is the two different size of roles you might want to get the kebabi icer role would be is you have your role now you need a second roll so the second roll you make you make here's what i think i'm going to do is let's say i have seven people at my table marshall right and now i'm gonna have eight rolls so if you have eight cabe rolls i'm gonna make i might see a mine and then i'll hand off the roll to the next person and we'll make his home i see this i might say that myself at the end it's going to be an extra roll so someone's got to eat two of those or you know carefully split it up or save it for the next morning right and then in the morning you'll deal with with that extra roll i don't say well you have an extra roll why don't you give out the one that you use for a lot of emissions i don't want to break up if i don't want to start handing out you know it's normally you cut it up you get a whole slew of crumbs i'm avoiding the drums you could do that but if i make comments i'm sorry i don't understand the numbers if you had seven roles couldn't that cover seven people what do you need last guy the last guy is gonna have one left he needs two everybody's making a multi on their own right let's say everyone makes so much sense i see okay okay option two option two is to have eight rolls for seven people and then i make him icy for everybody like i do every shabbos and then i take one roll and just cut it into eight pieces hand it out to everybody they eat from ala commission and then they eat that roll why don't you just have seven rolls make a mostly on all of them and give everybody one um uh that's a good question when you have roll number three four five six seven eight is that car parallel why not yes it is didn't think of that well think about that we'll we'll get back to you i don't know i don't answer that question well think about that i would assume you're right i just never did it okay so let's go back to where we didn't we didn't really finish friday yet what else do you have to do on friday to get ready for shopping what do you need to do okay so you also friday you want to there's certain things that you would do normally on air of pesach that you have to do now and even more than that because there's certain things that are mutual that might be prohibited on shabbos like you know cooking right so normally normally you would cook on air of pesach for yantef here i mean in theory mate shabbos you could start cooking from scratch but that's not really practical you're going to start you know you want to sit down to the seder so what most people are going to do is they're going to have items that are ready made and it'll be in the fridge or the freezer so that might say shabbos i.e lal seder olive they're able to pull it out so the cooking process of what you want to prepare all of that needs to be done on friday so that shabbos you're much obvious you're ready to go um you wanna you wanna preparing the egg and the correctness already especially because you're not eating this right really so you're going to get into a problem of cooking you only have to cook something you're eating so it's a symbolic item so it's not so plush it i mean some people would like to eat it the next day but you're getting into problems um the dryer the bail right the egg you ideally want to roast before you enter if you want to check the lettuce that's very important normally you you if you're buying pre-checked romaine lettuce if you're using romaine lettuce for murder you either want to buy the pre-checked star k or other you know other good hexer um but if you're checking it yourself that's a process you don't want to do on shops you don't have and therefore you want to you want to check on friday for that there's also a big discussion about salt water if you don't have a whole lot of salt it's not such a problem of uh of um right correct or someone sent me a picture of starcase certified salt water right i thought that was a joke is it real i saw a picture of it that goes together with um uh the ten pieces the ten piece packet right having ten pieces you know you know the joke they tell over where someone went into the bookstore with a straight face and he said uh do you sell pre-pre um uh pre-comments you know ten pieces and the feather and the candle you sell the ten pieces already broken up they said sure we have it the guy says i want to buy organic for the time pieces or whole wheat okay so all right you're preparing everything on uh on on air of uh a nerf jobs i saw one practical uh idea that when you set your table friday afternoon for shabbos don't put your your and you uh you have some sort of probably some disposable tablecloth on top there so you can throw everything out if there's crumbs there you don't want to have them you know or you want to shake out the tablecloth whatever you want to do don't put don't put your candelabra in the middle of the table on top of your tablecloth because then you're going to be stuck not being able to clean off your tablecloth either if you have a plastic one just to shake it to throw it out or shake it out outside whatever you're going to do you want to get rid of those crumbs right correct a lot of people can eat outside which we'll get to that issue in a moment okay but um yeah else is a discussion also so salt water really depends how much salt you put in you know about to prepare that actually excuse me it's no different this year because you can't prepare it on shop it's that's that's when friday night is is basically prepared salt water friday night here it's going to be under anyway so it's no different than you know by the time you prepare the salt water it's going to be onto the issue also it's a crane of grinding crane or not this is a discussion amongst the pisces because tychain is prohibited on shabbos you're not to grind crane on shabbos on yantef so if something is going to lose its pungency so then you know one could grind it so if you want really strong crane then maybe it may be motoring when in question you you could do it with a shinoahe which means you you you grind it obviously that would electrify that with a um you know with uh uh in a way rib eyes and so on and yantif and then you get into shiloh's ever is a rib eyes and considered the coil or not so some people will to avoid again their price can give you eights how to deal with this but some may find it rather than getting to any potential shilohs they're just going to prepare the rain on on friday so so so you're saying this basically is two options one is to prepare the the if you're making real crane prepare it before shabbos and cover it and try to keep it uh fresh see the other is to do it on must say shabbos on yontiv itself and do it with a little bit of a sheen if that's the coin some pisces would need some sheena like you put it on to paper and things like that um okay fine what else do we need to know about about friday um it's again it's different than most every pa or a peso because you're preparing you know normally every peso we oh another very important point a few a very important point arab pesach normally today um the day um take a haircut you know so one o'clock you can't clip your nails anymore you can't take a haircut you're not supposed to that's a regular year a regular year this year this year because they replaced it with shabbos friday after hot sauce it's friday your gimbal there are no arabic prohibitions so you could you could trip your beard shave and or whatever is necessary you know it's not a problem those who keep the first two interesting notes but one is that those who keep the first sphere will have the longest possible beard come like blamer because you're actually the last shave you could take is before it looks it on your gimmel and you gotta go all the way to lyman gimmel in the morning which is basically almost five complete weeks because your last shave is friday afternoon and you can't shave the friday morning under normal circumstances five weeks later you never have that long in fact sometimes you you know like vitamins at sunday you get the bonus you get to right last year last year which is thursday it was friday shoppers were allowed to shave friday so a lot of a lot of a few little shortcuts here and there here not only is it not a shortcut you got to shave a day early right that's one interesting thing the other one i want to point out i didn't see this anywhere written up and um it's it's a fascinating that it's a mission it's a mishna in massachusetts that says that list certain people who are allowed to take a haircut on halamite pace hommaid right someone who was you know become came out with a letter of incarceration and et cetera one example is someone who got it from avelis and the question is who who's that person because they think about it if a person ended shiva on yanta if that means they're still in schleischen halamite so they can't get a haircut an element a person was not saying shiva you know in nissan beginning and now they're in slation this week so young tiff terminates the slicing when you have to determine situation they're allowed to get a haircut and shave i'm talking about now not for a parent a parent you've got to wait at chicago let's say a sibling for example so one slice of man is going to get a haircut if if youngthe terminates the schleischen then they could get a haircut look vagina because the constriction was ending that night so who is this person right who is this person so a very fascinating case and it only happened it could have potentially happened this week and that is someone's leviah eleno was on sunday and let's say he had brother brothers let's say who are now in shiva right now okay their shiva is going to be with sunday monday tuesday wednesday thursday friday shabbos they technically finish shiver shabbos morning and then the shabbos there slice him and now terminates the slatium so they finish slightly now they can't get a haircut on friday because they're middle of shiva right but yeah it comes colomate and they're already double slicing so they can they can then take a haircut correct and that is the only case and it only happens on pesos on a sunday of this case so because they're very funny they'll ever have it let's take some of the questions sarah by rabbi uh rabbi heber um there's some questions about what the times are so we have the charts on our website you can take a look there i want to mention that uh in in a few minutes uh before the end we're going to put up we have some written documentation some of the things that is talking about he wrote about in our in our piece of guide we'll we'll give you that so you can have that um we found very interesting from 1950 right it was also uh erev shabbis and robert breuer zaczal wrote a document for the broader community yucky community and we have we have a copy of that it's interesting to see what he writes over there i don't i have no idea that 1950 was airbased i only know because i see the date i only i assume because i see the date on the uh on the pamphlet and we have to you really needed it because it hadn't happened before that since 1930. we really didn't know what to do okay okay um and simcoe is asking eating the roles in a different room and how do you work out so let's talk about that let's talk about going to the friday night souda if i'm only having the only thing i have is my uh that's hummus is going to be in my rope my rolls or my or my bagels or my pita how am i going to make kiddish and then do the whole the whole suda okay so this this place is a friday morning friday night and shop this morning right and um once we're the topic we'll just talk about the end of shabbos morning and then we'll we'll um we'll cover a little of all that to soothe this shabbos if you're using rolls so let's assume from you want to eat outside like a lot of people are going to want to do i think actually weather's supposed to be nice friday night and shop this morning um at least here um so what do you do so you run into a breakfast question what you're going to do is you're going to make our mices we spoke about mishnah how to how to take care of that everybody everybody eats now you go inside because remember everybody's meal is going to be cautious because the actual pseudo other than the hamazi the rest of the meals is going to be akasha pesach and you're going to be sitting on your pesach table with you know pesach items so what you do is people can go outside just because it's a little bit less nerve-wracking to go outside now you make i might see then you make kiddish outside so you can't make kiddish by the pesach table go outside make hamas and come back in because we have a we have a concept known as kitus malcolm suda which means when you make kiddush it has to be where the suit is so what you want to do is you want to take your pekka outside with the wine or grape juice and you're going to make you're going to make kiddush and immediately following that you're going to make a mexi and you're going to consume as we spoke about the the proper amounts now you're in the middle of suitor now you're going to head back into the house and you're going to finish your suitor so now you're going to have friday night you have your soup your your fish whatever you're eating and chop this morning you have your chocolate and so on and then you get a bench now the shout out is where the bench what what kind of challenge are you having consular pesach no barley everything regular peso by the way the practical ether for your crock pot many people like to use a crackpot we have a special customer base like crockpot you cannot cash your crockpot so you have you want a crockpot you need to have a um a customer pesach one obviously you could make it you could have a if you don't want a special crock pot you could make your trolling food pasta on the stove um if you'd like but let's say we have a crushed basil crock-pot but people are a bit nervous to keep it running you know it comes to comes one o'clock even maybe some people 11 o'clock in the morning 10 30 they'll be done with the challenge now that crackpot's gonna run for two and a half days until monday night because you can't unplug it very simple eight so this is not a halacha but this is a practical ether within allah and that is if you have you get a timer um someone maybe want to have you do the time or you'll ask your electrician but you want the one with the pins the the the green pin is on the red pin is off let's say what you do is at four o'clock in the afternoon on on friday you put it you put two pins in you put it 2 p.m red pin and a 3 p.m green pin you spin the dial to 4 p.m okay now it's on because it clicked on at 3 p.m and it's 4 p.m you plug it in you plug in everything and now it's on you pull out the green pin and now all you have is a red pin in the dial which is off so now it's friday afternoon 4 p.m it's going to spin around comes 2 p.m on shabbos it's going to trip off right it's going to trip off and now you have you have your crockpot off you don't need anymore but we'll buy you eight challenge already hopefully by two people you're trolling and now the the crackpot's off for the rest of the the same things the last days should we show based on the shabbos sunday you have the same thing set it in that way and then it's off anyway as far as benching let's go back to the suitor you ate the suda i might see outside i think the the this this luca day is here but i think it's mojito to go back out to recycle samosa where you washed there's also chuvas where if you certainly if you see into the place if you it's a porch where you could see in the windows the shades are open and you can see into where you're eating it's all chicken one malcolm and therefore you could bench in that place as well where you actually ate your suitor so again you know their price could say you could bench also inside you know estimated where it played but certainly if you go out to the original place that's certainly you know holidays that's it that's the right much to say because that's based on you got a bench where you ate so and here you ate your your pass in outdoors and therefore you're going to uh um you want a bench there now on shabbos morning you've now finished your rolls right you're not finished your rolls and now you want to you want to now that's it in other words it's 10 25 you finish your rolls and now you want to flush any crumbs down the toilet throw away your you know any plates that you use if you put it on tissues you could maybe flush tissues down the down the toilet as well but if you're afraid to clog up things just the plates and the tissues you just put the garbage if you could dispose it outside that type of that's better and now you then at that point would reset your call chamira um at that point okay so you're assuming that you have nothing no cr all you have is some crumbs from the from the bread that you're using correct right so you want to get that out of your possessions either down the toilet or spread it in the wind or something like that right correct is that right okay um a number of people mentioned the egg mods idea rubber here we can't we can't uh we have to talk about that there that you know there are post kim who say that you can use you can use uh egg matza for the suda instead of bread correct but there was one more thing i wanted to mention um first of all um right you're gonna you're gonna watch of course you you're gonna watch inside and then you're gonna make your uh um you know you're gonna make your how might the outside right you're going to make your i might see you know you make alzation um you you wash indoors right let's say you don't have an outdoor wash you can wash it tonight that's why you're gonna you're gonna make it i might see outside there is another issue by the way of um you know and of course you know speak to your rav exactly where where to um um you know you can make how mighty after your hands are dry you're obviously gonna you're gonna make it i might see it uh outside the other issue so i'll show this i don't know if you wanna crack monsters all should at first well uh let's talk about the egg moss idea fine sure so eggman is a big discussion in the pisco right a big discussion um eggmats of course what are egg masters eggman our minigame is not to eat them after this man which means once once 1033 rolls around you can't eat the egg monsters however they're not comets in that you don't have the issue of of bali rabbi which means you're allowed to own them on pace like yourself when we say we can't eat them you know the elderly or children are allowed to eat egg says on pesach well children who who need it or children who need it there's not a lot available um if i just want to make a parenthetical statement here uh in general there are there are products in the market there's eggmats of products that kids eat they have now spin-offs of egg monsters like chocolate egg matzus right which also only children and eat it i always wondered that it was years ago where there was not a whole lot to eat and all you could give a kid was egg matza and then you want to give them some sort of treat so then you gave megamon so with chocolate on it today there are hundreds of products that are dozens of products that are kid-friendly kids have what to eat you know based staple products an array of of you know matzo meal products for those we can brooks you know tons of products that are out there i just i don't understand the need anymore for for a a a sweetened egg matt's a product oh those are for hailem i mean all right needs to eat an egg masa if that's he wants to eat something soft that's filling and gives them the you know the the the proper khamenesh mini doggone that he needs so that i understand but now you want to chocolatize it or sweeten it for a while well you need that there's other options let me you know matzo milk or potato starch cake plenty of that or plenty of other products i i never understood clark about it it's just a little bit of a editor if a a little talk radio uh uh discussion that's number one but let's let's go as long as you you went on tangent i would say that star k has eggman has a i'm sorry a chocolate covered matzah that's made with real matzah that's not right not with egg matzah so that could be le chile for anybody if they so that would be you know that would be a great option i'm sorry go ahead right no and the rub that behind him in other words would never let a a a product like that because there's really no cotton has plenty other plenty of other products for tannim for hylum so i think this is an old minig that was necessary 65 years ago that kind of never fell by the wayside that's uh anyway back to um back to the the egg whites itself okay so egg masses are let's see you eat eggmaster right now so you would make them a zionist on egg matzah because it's matashira it's it's um it's it's not a regular bread it's not a regular matzah and therefore the broccoli would be abarimozaris however if you're convey a suda on something which is known as passover kisnan then you make hamaitzi this is a very nice article by rosen on this topic defining what's the suda defining what's possible by kissing and as you see from the articles in the torah it's a complicated sugi so the question now becomes instead of using roles well eggman says solves the the for those who are nervous to bring comets in the porch crumbs et cetera you burn all your comets on friday it's all gone the house is rid of comets now you have egg masses you take like a mission of egg masses and you make hamaitzi so some are annoying to do that this is the truth from maisha maisha said that that's okay to do that um they're they're hulkadays uh some say if you do it you need to eat it sooner which means you have to eat it with a whole suitor you have to eat enough of the egg monsters you have to eat a a lot of egg mats i saw in the you know from mississippi treasure chest published a contrast they said if using egg masses you need each person you see two matzahs that's what that's i'm quoting so the teachers that say you gotta eat a lot or you need a suitor with the with the matzos right and then there's something that say you know you don't want to go this way because you get yourself into a process issue and therefore just avoid it and go with the roles which which are a more nervous method and more potentially comets issue but it's a regular pseudo it's hamazi and everything is you know you're eating you're eating i might see this holiday and therefore just you know go that route okay so star k and refinement don't recommend the eggman's the uh solution that's correct behind him was not not a fan of um no okay uh now you are getting into the behind him in that discussion of issues and one can ask the rav the concept of maisha pass you have to fit passion many places can hold at 10 33 you're done now go inside and finish the meal some say like you're getting into another broccoli's issue because um you can't eat bread anymore so how do you potter the the challenge at that point normally you you could eat bread this is a shy of one chinese step ice cream but again it's a brachus um era pesach is a brachus you know rolled into one day and one not to mention another article we have in our book that talks about bronchus on pesach of an array of products if you make matzo meal products if you make potato starch products uh do you make matzo bread how big is it it's fascinating pie spice alone is a is a central place for us okay i just want to mention that this uh this webinar will be is being recorded and will be posted on our website as soon as possible stardashkay.org videos and um again we're with here with uh rabbi david heber i'm sv goldberg your host of the webinars uh and if you don't get your question answered then please email us at info stardashk.org or you can call us at 410-484-4110 uh we are as as i as i mentioned on the last webinar we're totally inundated so it doesn't matter you can you can keep sending us questions i i'm sure you're answering uh more than me but yesterday i had 40 uh emails uh phone calls to answer in my inbox um and um the top keeps rolling in actually this is a break thanks for thanks for the webinar because do not disturb on the phone and call tell them i'm in a webinar we still have to keep the caches going the plants you know are still people and the mashikum are still visiting and everything no i had an issue with a factory i had to speak to a company this morning an important issue going on with the supplier of something it's uh never-ending so but we do we do try to get to everybody okay let's see some of these questions that richard is asking is one able to place the garbage from lunch on shabbos and shall show this in your garbage can for monday morning pickup hmm um it's in your shoes right i mean well some garbage cans in baltimore the green garbage cans that we have the city gave out they say they're the owner of that garbage can um some people are i mean your mafia account for the ira it's again that's it's really better it's really better to any extra to you know flush down or give away to a guy you really need planning in other words you try to plan as best as possible and not everybody could you know we have many magnesium and as we emerge from uh from corona uh it's a little bit easier people have been vaccinated then it's much easier to you know in a safe way people who invite people last minute they don't know how many people they're going to have are going to show up so how much better they need how much child do they need it's not it's not so simple so but most people though know exactly who's going to be present um at their at their soudas um and should plan accordingly that they don't have leftovers if they do crumble it up and we said crumble up and flush down the toilet if if feasible i see okay um let's take some other uh other questions um okay there's a question here about davening how are you going to dive in on on job this morning and be able to do all this before in baltimore 10 33 right okay well that this this is the shabbos of um of hashkama manyanam and for those who are abundant out there it's the only time in the jewish calendar that rabonum have off two shabbos mornings from the russia yeah meaning the meaning of our bonham is robert goldberg you're a you're a veteran rav of san jose california as you know the minute we give shops like oh joshua which the meaning this year was to give this past shabbos and preparation in fact ramesha feinstein in the josh mitchell you see that he also darshan don't say nissan on shabbos in 1927. he's a very beautiful uh stickle so that was again the first time i got old so this past the mini rabbanum don't darshan in the morning shops are going off they dodged in the afternoon so this past job is i did not direction charms morning i gave a chop said oh joshua in the afternoon do i give one to women and won the shirt to women and the russian to the men and then this shabbos no rov is going to give a drawstring because everyone's rushing to get home the minute is everybody david's early we're going to dive in marshall's goddamn 715. some shows will dominate maybe seven maybe some will choose 730 whatever whatever it is and that allows you to finish let's say dominating by 9 59 30. actually it's 9 o'clock and then you're home by 9 15 9 30. that gives you an hour to eat the suda again we'll talk about splitting in a second but you know 9 30 you go ahead and you wash and you manage and you you take care of whatever you need to take care of the regular 8 30 let's say on a regular shower at 8 30 there's just no markup to do that because if we're down at 8 30 and we finish it even out of joshua we're done 10 30 you know that's at the buzzer there's no way you're going to be able to uh do that you do extra time after dave and early i made available i i hope that the listeners can see it i think it might be on the top left of your screen uh shared file shared files so i have i have um robert broyer i mentioned before his era pace of shabbos from 1950. i have of course robert hebber's article it's called arab shabbos pesach and that's that's printed also in the starkey book and on our website then i have from our behavior field there's a nice um summary of the halachus of of the the the thursday friday shabbos and i also put up our whole passover directory our quick pick personal care and a quick pick medicine list this is uh you know with this you can get by peso this is what you need um that and uh and some extra um patience to make it through um so i hope everybody can see that if you can if you can see it let me know because i've not usually done that it should be available can anybody find what i'm what i'm i might i shared with you oh you can see it okay so you can download it if you want from there okay um okay so what else are up here what else do we have we we we we're coming down to the end of our webinar what else is important so a couple other points here one is also this shall show this is obvious problem the these mine that we passkin for sures is a half hour after midday that in baltimore that's 150 this time of year 145 and anywhere it's going to be after god's size so by definition half hour after that it's based on length of the day so anywhere it's going to be after number one this amount of comets so you can't you can't eat bread anymore you can't imagine anymore because they're pesach so you're stuck how are your yates child shooters so um i actually discussed this in my shop i was like oh joshua this past job is that's obviously not taped um i elaborate a little bit on this and the shirt i gave for women in my show which is on available on torah anytime um for those who want to see a little expansion of of some of these some of this discussion um a share really on their page that central anytime you could search other speakers and you can find it but we'll be makatsu here and that is shall shoot you can't eat so what do you do so hazal the bicycle say eat mini tagima after 1 45 you eat filter fish kugel and the like now if you eat kabrox you could even eat matzo matzo right you can eat boiled mats you cannot eat baked matzo items matsumo cake no one could eat arab pasta the whole day right but boil mats if you could rocks you could eat for salt shooters until until the 10th hour of the day which in baltimore's 4 18 again it's three hours before shkia this time of year three hours is basically three hours maybe three hours and five minutes to ten minutes because the day's pretty much uh equal six to 12 hours bottom line is until three hours a little more than three hours before sunset you could eat uh these canadians look otherwise just eat filled fish a piece of botanical etc and with that you are um your your youtube child students because there's no other no other real option you can't even eat eggmats at that hour because again once this man of of hummus comes we don't need egg matzes so you're stuck now there are people that are going to talk about splitting the pseudo in the morning okay that the purpose of that is the opinion of the run is that you can each all shoot us before there's no time limit on child shooters we don't we don't possibly like that wheat pots can any any shops of the year after milk daily right but but today afternoon you can't wash so at least to fulfill the opinion of the run there's some people who wash an additional time in the morning and therefore they make almighty again to each solid shoulders even though they're not really said but they're just going to run to do that you're going to have to split the meal so what you're going to do is you're going to eat your first suitor which is really a second suit of shabbat friday night you shop this morning you can come home until 9 30 you're going to quickly eat a suita and then you get a bench at 9 45 your suit is going to be rolls maybe some chop liver with it or fill the fish you get a bench now it's 9 45. now you need a half sick you can't go and wash two minutes later because a proximity shrikha you can't stop a meal and start a meal why did you stop the meal for it's a broken street especially here where you're not you you'd say according to many opinions shelters anyway so it's truly broken so let's say 9 45 you're done 10 15 you're going to watch again and make a mighty that's your solid it's according to the run and now you'll be yourself and then you'll you'll you know you'll have that suit so some are like it is a humra we'll call it if you don't do it it's fine even if you do the khumra it's important to know you've got to eat solid sugars again later you can't say what a child shows this morning no because you weren't really nice childhood so again after 1 50 p.m mr toilet you're going to eat you know filter fish etc by the way the 418 um is is if you missed that time you certainly you could certainly you know eat your cocoa or your filter fish to be honest after that time you know you should eat you should wash before this month of uh of this time because the sketch shop is going into sunday and you have to say as well where if you could break your suit up it has to be after this month notice if you break your suit up shoot your face off it has to be after this monitor so the child should it's or you want to do it before whatever the time is at 4 at 15. end of pesach and then uh in the oven you could eat all day you could eat all day till sunset you can sell sugars you can wash if you have to talk about now on pesach or now you could go and get filter fish i hope that was clear i threw out a whole bunch of different things well we'll have the recording over here we can you can review it i want to i want to offer anybody who wants to ask um ask a 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but when it's massachusetts those who learned um know that that there you ate the compassion without and that's the reason why you have that order change we should have said that right there right that's the question right we should have said that that we make that you know should come to the next year we're actually eating some say you know why do that next year you're not going to have it it's next year will be the right order actually next year what's the shop second night is that shady will be i must say shabbos but again this according to the calendar so for those watching robert goldberg series in future years whether it's 2025 2045 2048 2052 2072 those years yeah if if the star case still has webinars in 2072 it's not going to be me goldberg it's a lifetime i may have asked if it's a lifetime position okay um okay i think we covered most of the questions right there is there anything else that you want to you want to end with a question that will be said we sing all the time 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