01-28-2015 Stom Weather And Halacha

today is Rabbi M Franco thank you for joining us RAB Franco thank you for inviting me and I'm Rabbi Goldberg we're pleased to have you back for another edition of our webinar held the last Wednesday of every month at noon Eastern the phone number if you have trouble with the with the web it's 51203 21889 51203 pass Cod 2020 and um we're we're hosted on click webinar site it's learn kosher.com koser and uh we're very pleased that you could join us for this Edition we do have a a chat screen which I'm going to uh make a little larger here so that you can uh you can chat with us ask your questions and if we could just start with a couple of people just chatting that you can hear us um I see Rick and Columbus is with us um if you can hear us and see us that would be great okay so thanks very much thanks for for for responding Gary and Sarah and Arya and Amy and Joe okay so let's begin Rabbi Frankl we are speaking about storm weather severe weather which is um hitting some of the East Coast the nor Easter in New York they have a little bit of a of a couple inches it wasn't as bad as it was predicted but in um in Maine everything has AIC ramifications including bad weather right everything is is a uh is something to talk about uh prepare yourself I mean who knows what's going to be I mean we have we've had really we have had feet of snow I mean here in Baltimore the winter is not over yet right right exactly um um I guess you're if you're in California you don't really have to worry about the snow but you might want to know this anyway just for your edification and uh help out your your uh poor uh you know Eastern relatives um okay so let's begin R Franco uh we had a couple of questions and we had some things we want to talk about let's talk about chabas let let's focus a little bit on chabas issues chabas is when in particular where there are issues issues so what to do when it's snowing right so you have let's start start with this uh you have uh it snowed uh Friday night and you have uh ice and snow on your walk so what can you do about it can you salt it um uh can you shovel it what what what's what's the story so the first question is is can you actually walk in snow um the answer is of course yes yes a person is allowed to walk in snow on shabas there's a story the story about the people who went on each other's bags and then were still surprised when they found Footprints but um when is allowed to walk in snow even that story was on chabis is that the way you do I I heard that story during the week okay so um um there is a question though that sometimes when you step on snow you're going to cause it to melt and how about you you have your foot your footprint you let's say you have the word uh you know I don't know Nik Nike whatever on your on the bottom of your foot right you're riding on the snow right so this is another issue so again the f one issue the simple issue first basic issue is maybe you're causing snow to melt that's not a problem even though there is such a concept as not having solids melt on shabas and not causing solids to melt but when it comes to snow it doesn't apply they they're abundant enough if it that and it's of course it's permitted to all no however when when a person has designs on the bottom of their shoe or or writing on the bottom of their shoe so then there is this question that the that the image gets impressed in the snow and one of them and chabas is writing includes in writing is drawing a picture so that there is this potential question is the person allowed to do that when a person's writing in the snow so the the answer the answer is that um that there are number of reasons to be lenient over here firstly the snow is not going to last and therefore the writing is not a permanent type of writing and secondly it's not your intent and it's not going to last how long it depends where you are that's true last if you're in a cold area could last that's true a few months that's true it thought well but it's not going to be forever right even if even if the snow doesn't go away usually the print will not last that long okay fair enough and the other the other fact is that that's not your intent over here and even though generally on shab something which is not your intent is still forbidden if it's a certainty but um that that that at least mitigates it that is not a not a prohibition anymore it would be a ridic prohibition and again it's something which is not long lasting and also on doing it's not the usual way of writing it's not normal to write with to write by stamping on things so therefore there are multiple reasons to say that this that that that multiple factors um which which which would tend how about if I wanted to do it on purpose and I stop look look ma Nike Nike Nike yes that that a person should not do you should not do should not do you should just not pay attention to but other than that the assumption is that it's a it's a it's a non-permanent writing which you're doing in an unusual way without any intent and without any benefit from it and such we're not worried about that but do the purpose person should avoid how about getting rid of the snow how do I get rid of the snow right so so um getting rid of the snow this is uh especially on shabas one can't drive so when one's walking one wants to walk to sh and the snow with the snow in the path what can one do so there are number of issues the number of possible Poss possible uh possible things that a person might want to do the the the first one thing that a person might want to do is to Spread spread salt on the um on the on the path out of their house so that at least that'll help the snow melt and it'll help people not slip so yes that's a person a person can do that on shabas if they need to obviously if there's no aof and there's an issue of carrying then they're going to have a problem if they're carrying the salt but if a person lives in a lives in a place where which has an A or if their house and their front front areas in enclosed in such a way that they can carry so then they would be allowed to um to if they hav if they haven't got an A which is an enclosure which you mentioned allows you to carry uh I would think they can ask a non-jew to do that for this purpose right if they can get somebody if they have a neighbor or somebody they can ask them to do that they could do that if if necessary if if it's if it's if it's um if they if they feel it's necessary for the so that they can walk then they could ask a NAU to do it yes so that that's that's one thing that's the the the the spreading of the salt and the question which is not so simple is shoveling I shoveling the snow we actually not only just spread salt in it but you actually take a shovel and you dig and you dig out the snow so that's qu that's that's it's not it's really not so clear it's questionable the the the among the concerns one of the concerns that the that the the later uh later decide is mention is that does this issue on sh person is not me to do something which is a tremendous amount of work do is not meant to do heavy exercise on shabas so Shing slow is something which um which which involves a lot of exertion and um and therefore that that's at least is one good reason why it's problematic there are different opinions a person should person person could ask their own personal Rabbi and um it's not it's not universally agreed upon but uh but there are certainly reasons to be to be to be stringent and say that one shouldn't do it because one's doing um one's doing hard work on chabas which is uh which is which is is problematic and how how about if it's not that difficult if it's just a little bit it's powdery kind of a person can suddenly kick it with their feet that's no problem a person can you know that that's not an issue that's not exertion um using a shovel is really more of an exertive activity but just kicking with one's feet is fine um again if if if a person lives in a in an area where one cannot carry so obviously shoveling is a problem because you have to carry the shovel kicking the snow that's perhaps not not such a such a big deal so is asking which is better to spread salt or to spread sand um they're they're both fine spreading salt is better there are more halakic issues with spreading sand um because you're you're putting it out on a on a pathway pathway especially especially if it's a dirt pathway not but even if even if it's even if it's not there are more halic issues it is permissible though um if the person needs to spread stand um if they don't have salt but if a person has the choice salt would be the better option there's also also is asking would it be permitted to ask a non-jew to to to shovel the snow yes I guess in the case of of of danger people might people might trip right yes person could do that not just because I want to have it convenient but right if it's necessary a person should do that also should be should I should be I should mention that uh obviously if there's some urgent situation if a person's a member of ATA and they have to go and save people's lives so then obviously that that that that's that's a whole different story um asku yes um again we try not to have non-js working on our property on shabas so this isn't really work um if it's necessary then um if would be something that that there there are leniencies that even a Jew could do so to ask a non-w to do it would think I think that that would be okay think so too um I would agree with that any issue Scott is asking any issue of using an ice Chopper yes that's a good question breaking ice so um um um everyone agrees that if a person has let's say a um a cup of water which froze over on the top everyone agrees one can break the ice on the cup of water that's that's certainly fine the discussion in the in the discussion which the in in centers more around ice which is attached to the ground the you know something which uh if you have from a person's roof one has an icicle hanging or any ice which is attached to the ground so breaking it off the the there are those who consider that um something is attached to the ground is considered like part of a building um part of a structure and and um breaking a structure could potentially be a problem there are those who are who have who who are who are concerned about that however most uh most uh most most people feel that that's not a problem it does not apply it is not considered a structure it's not considered a building so a person should not do it if there's no need because there are those who are stringent but if a person has has a need then um then it's fine to do that be sort of like the same rule as as shoveling the snow right you should try this is better than shoveling better than shoveling why it's not hard because this um this over here um by breaking ice most most people feel that it's it's it's perfectly permitted there's no there's no issue of hard work over here I see um okay says Municipal ordinances sometimes require cleaning the sidewalk I remember when I was growing up in um in Brooklyn I think there was a law you had to clear your sidewalk within four hours after the snow stopped but yet I remember that on CH if it snowed on CH is we didn't uh we didn't do anything and you know we live to tell a tale by the time they send you the warning it's not JIS anymore uh so I don't know Baltimore I don't think there is any they're not that strict about in Baltimore maybe they should be but there's no there's no law that requires you there is a concern I me potentially of litigation if somebody walked on your sidewalk and tripped and sued you but again if a person's really concerned about that they could they could have a non sh for them do something for them okay I just want to reiterate we're speaking here with Rabbi M Frankl who is the director of the H Institute at star k ra Frankl answers questions from all over the world about all all different topics you can email uh what's the email again is it stark. RG or you can call us at 410 484 4110 that's aside from all the kis questions that uh that we do answer uh we're happy to take your questions on any topic um yeah maybe just just stand in one more thing about snow one more problem which is again uh debatable is that there are the there are things on sh M things are things one's not meant to move on chabas so there is some discussion whether or not snow it falls under that category uh there are those who are lenient and say that it's not a problem but Rin was quoted as saying that nowadays at least snow is M so that's another problem with moving it shoveling it um all those issues is that it could well be although it is the eatable but it could well be that snow is considered M which would be another problem with moving it um certainly building a building a snowman person should not do uh firstly again snow May well be M and so and also building a building a structure building an image is like drawing a picture a person shouldn't do that even making a snowball um once again compressing the snow into a shape right that's something which a person should not do shabas so no snowball fights in shabas you have to wait till multi shabas for that okay AR is asking a very relevant question uh is it okay to knock large icicles hanging from Frozen gutters that may either fall or weigh down and destroy the gutters that's if you have you know the the snow melts a little bit and refreezes and melts and refreezes so I think I think the answer is is that a person shouldn't do it if there's no reason at all but if they feel some reason then yes they could do that if they if they're concerned about they're concerned that it'll uh damage their property then they would be allowed to do that MH okay that's a that's uh I guess if it's going to destroy his gutters he feels that there's there is a there is an issue okay let's move on to uh it's it's you're in a place where there is an AR again this enclosure which allows you to carry and because of the severe weather you're not sure if it's still up so what are the parameters in trying to figure out if you're allowed to carry or not allowed to carry now that there's this great big storm so that's a difficult question to answer because it would veryy depending on um the a some a structures are built in a very um solid way um not likely to break some of them are more flimsy you could use a telephone wire you could use a piece of string a telephone wire is more sturdy than a piece of string so it may well depend on your a um person has to um generally well constructed aivs which are done by you know professionally well constructed AES are pretty strong and they don't just they don't break as easily as people uh think it doesn't just uh they don't just even if it's windy they won't just break if there's a heavy accumulation of ice and snow then um so then the weight can even telephone wires you know if there's weight there's heavy weights that can cause things to break so that's that that might be a concern again um every a of the has when shabas comes in we we assume that the a of this checked before shabas comes in shortly before shabas comes in there should be somebody who checks it and and can ascertain that it is it's kosher at the beginning of shabas so then it has the has the status it has the Kaka the principal principle is that the way things are we assume that January they continue that so it has this principle of kazak which says that it was kosher we assume it remains kosher again if there if the the inclement weather is so so severe that um that it's it's it's it's it's it's clear that there's a very there's a lot there's a clear large likelihood that the AR would not was not is not up that the person should be prudent and should not carry but um but hopefully if the a is well constructed it should be able to survive the regular storms only major storms um major hurricanes um you know would would uh with would potentially affect the a so um and so it' be a good idea to check if there is any sort of bad weather even if a person doesn't normally call or check the a of hotline status on a day on a on a Friday that has had bad weather that would be absolutely absolutely I think it's quite common that they announce it in yeah I was thinking that what three is see the two three think alike because this three is asking what happens if due to the storm the a could not be checked on Friday right not because if the snow's coming down uh they're not sending out those buckets you know to check to make sure that the AR is up or whatever they need to do if it's such a major storm that the roads are impassable so then again it really but it was checked the previous right right it really is it's really going to depend on the people who built the a the people are involved in the A and they they have they they they're the ones who have knowledge of the stess of the a one would have to ask them if if if they if they if they feel that the a can is is is uh good chance they can withstand this they think it's most likely that it's still intact so then a person doesn't have to assume the worst we don't have to assume it's broken you as you said it has a status last shabis of being of being up I can generally assume it's up but if the people of tell us tell us that they don't think it's up then that thing you have a problem that's a very good point okay um let's let's move on to some more uh shabus issues maybe just by the you know there is this question that number of times this has happened that uh people aren't sure whether AR is up and or they they think it's up and they're carrying and then word gets out some some enterprising person actually walked over to look at it and saw that it was broken so then um there's this question should one tell other people should one not tell other people um generally um um if if uh most people one we can assume would want to know so to tell a person that the AR is down if there something they would want to know because they don't want to carry on shabas so then you're doing them a favor by telling them on the other hand if let's say you does a person who's in the middle of weeding their baby in a carriage and they're in the middle of the streets and you tell them the a is down and then they're going to be stuck and what are they going to do with their baby so then um so then under those under under under limited circumstances but if it's if it's if it's uh if it would be very difficult for them so then the fact is that right now they don't know so what they're doing is unknown to them that they're doing anything problematic one can allow them to finish up to go somewhere safer before one tells them but generally generally one would assume that people want to know one should tell on the other hand the recipients of news sometimes I've seen this happen there are places that word gets around the AR is down and it's a false rumor person doesn't have to believe every rumor they hear they should make sure that they hear from reliable people uh you know one person says maybe and the next person s is certainty uh we know have this uh we we know we person has verify that the facts are true mhm okay um so let's talk a little bit about some some damage that could happen to one's house on on a during a storm uh flooding in house let's talk a little bit about that right uh God forbid you come and you see that your basement is starting to get full of water um you know there that's very very aggravating especially if it's chabas and you can't really uh do anything about it so what what are the possible um ways that is there any way that you could deal with this on Chavis yes so the the the answer may depend on the severity of the problem um if a person has just a leak um and I could and a person a small leak a person can put a bucket bucket under it to catch the water so then that that's that a person can do as long as the water which comes into the bucket is something which they could use to wash they could use it to wash yourself if it's um if it's um if it's so dirty that it's not so then right so then it's m even then the if a person has if it's if it's if it's there are those who are lenient and if a person has a trem has a big need um strong needs then uh then they could be lant even then but um generally generally if there's no strong need they shouldn't do it if the water is so dirty that they can't use it to wash but if it's U cleaner than that then it's fine to do that certainly so that's when a person has a small has a small um small problem then the the the large problem is when a person gets a flood and they need need a pump to um to pump out their water so a person can't really turn on a pump on chabas but under s such circumstances where there necessity obviously to save a person's basement that's that'll be Financial loss of here person can ask a nonu to come and turn and turn on their pump and um and have the LA to do it for them what about uh bailing it out themselves that would be a that would be right so again big job that would be a big job it would be again um there on the other hand there's a tremendous moner loss potentially over here again the ideal thing would be to try and have a non do something and put on a pump um David says sometimes it could be a sewer backup which could be poisonous well then I think you just want to stay away from it and not really get involved and just call call call a an expert after shabas and I think this is an important point to not to which he's which he's pointing out is that sometimes in bad weather the situations are could be potential to be dangerous um so then again obviously I think everyone is familiar with this if there's any potential possibility of any danger to life then then that would supersede all the laws of shabas so yes if there's any down power lines I mean obviously you know person would you know do whatever you need to do you have to walk to SCH I you know there's this does I mean it just happened here in Baltimore very recently it wasn't a shabas but this this uh you know very very tragic event that happened just in the last few weeks about this uh this uh this this Jewish person who was coming to a to a to a conference over here and the car sked and uh and um you know unfortunate results um a person um on Shas we not perhaps we're not driving we're walking but again it came dangerous many many years ago in Baltimore this is going back many years but there was a person who was walking to shore with his child and it was a hurricane and it knocked down a tree and the tree fell on the child and again very unfortunate results so um you know if a person shouldn't do that if a person person should a person we we want to go to sh even when it's difficult we try to go to sh a suddenly person shouldn't do anything which is which is dangerous I had U I found a uh a a pump which is mechanical and works on water pressure I forget the the exact name of it um I guess if anybody's interested they can contact us and we'll I'll get it but um basically the way that it worked was one part you would put it in the in in the water and the other part would attach to your your your uh a garden hose and when you turn on the the hose uh it would suck out the the pressure would suck out your the water that it was drawing from so I forget there's a certain principle that it works based on that and um we discussed it previously if you would set that let's say you were afraid that you might get flooded and you would set the whole thing up before shabas and on chabas all you have to do was turn on your water right and if there was a flood and you you have the water going somewhere into a whatever into your drain or something and you're not really doing anything you just sucking up water and it's going into the drain right that's true when I said that a pump's a problem a mechanical pump would not be the same most pumps okay says Sarah says she thinks it's called a beri pump if I'm pronouncing it right siphon pump what about a su pump well a sum pump is electrical yeah so that has the problems that we previously mechanical pump would not have that issue yes that that one could do can you ask a nonu to call can you ask a nonu to call a nonu on chabis to fix the sewer backup so have one have either a nonu do it or have a nonu ask another nonu to do it that's that's not so simple to it would depend on the circumstances yeah okay so that that's not so easy um uh okay so let's say let's take another scenario uh that the power is out on on all these questions seem to do with shabas that's the most I we we were thinking about it like what kind of questions could you have uh we did have we did have just veering away for a second we did have a question uh if if if the if the weather is so bad um what what are your o ations even during the week to go to DAV in a Sho to pray with a with a a quum u you know what what are your obligations can I stay home just because it's you know the weather is bad or should I stay home must I stay home right as you said this is this is the question which is going to come up any day of the week this is not shabs related um very common question um going to SCH over here it's a nice thing to go to sh i' would like to do it um and um you know should I or shouldn't I so again just to reiterate what I already said if there's any potential danger a person should not do that um it's the examples that in person's not person is not obligated to go to sh at night if they have to walk through dangerous neighborhoods so the same thing is true over here if you have to walk on dangerous streets that danger because of potential slipping so then um again depending on the person's health and ability to manage uh the the the terrain of snow persons can do it they can can do it but if a person's older or more more concerned so then they shouldn't do anything which might which might hurt them where they might slip and uh and hurt themselves then a person should not do it um sometimes people if they have that they try to make a minion on the Block you can have can your neighbors come to your house right you may have a Torah to read from you may not but uh you try to do the best you can now there's another issue which is let's say I could get to SCH but it would mean um a tremendous amount of work um I could do it I'd have to sh right I'd have to shovel my way through the snow to get to sh I could do it but it's R it would take me a long time so how much how to what extent is the person expected to exert themselves to get to sh so in um is generally brought that um if a person is in their house and how much and they want to they they would like there there's a there's a minion taking place there a sh which has a quarum how far do they have to travel how how much how long do they have have to travel in order to uh to to make the effort to get there so generally the the the is that if a person's in their house then um up to 18 minutes 18 minutes is the time that a person if if if the drive is an 18-minute drive or less then person should make it if it's beyond that then a person it's not obligated obviously if it's it's still like if there's no if there's no danger involved then it's a good thing it's a it's a it's it's a Pious thing toh to to make the extra effort but not obligated to make to to to do something which is to take a walk which is going to take more than 180 minutes um even if the included within that if a person's going to have to if the walk itself if the the sh might be within 18 minutes walk but the problem is that uh to get that I have to unsh I have to unsh my car and uh and that that that's also going to take a lot of time that's going to take a lot of effort so again it's that's not as as simple because ultimately once I get my car and shovel drive itself is less than 18 minutes um so there a person should make more of an effort but the principle is still true that if it's a tremendous amount of effort than a person it's very difficult to give an exact uh rule because it depends on the person depends on the condition of the person their heart you know what what what can they do so each person is is indiv I remember there was not too long ago a few years ago there was a very very severe storm here snowstorm on shabas if we had a few feet of snow and so um there's there's a a Shool here that starts at uh at 9:00 a.m. near my house so I I treed all the way there it was very it was very difficult a Tre there was about a 10 it's normally about a 10 minute walk but this probably took me about 20 30 minutes um and I got there and I tried to go to the the front door and it was locked so I so I figured there's that's it there's no minion but but um you know I'll go to my I'll go to a different Jew and just and just see where they're up to even though I knew they started earlier so I went to that other Sho and they were almost they were way through the the the doing and they said no that that first Sho you went to is open you got to go to the right door so I so I Trek Back to the other Shool the whole thing took me about an hour to get the Sho I was very tired but I was uh you know we persevered and thank God uh we're able able to do it person gets reward for you know that that was this concept brought that person has two shs available you should go to the further further sh get R I should also think it's important to point out that if can't go to sh and they're doing at home so they're praying by themselves so um if they can arrange it that they're going to be praying their the which is the you know the at the same time that they're doing it in the in the sh which they're govering so even if they they're not actually present physically but if it's at the same time that's also significance that that at least they're with the or so to they with the they with the they with the quum if not in person but at least in spirit that they're praying at the same time that something significance so a person who's not able to make it should try that applies any day of the week the person doesn't go to sh but his his his minion doin at a certain time he should even in good weather for whatever reason the person is not well he can't he can't he's sick you know he should if he's going to he should does there's an advantage and it's you know Hally encouraged to to to to to pray at the same time that they praying in the synagogue so we're here at our starc's monthly webinar we're speaking with RAB Franco the director of the H Institute at Star also the assistant Rabbi the good of Baltimore uh if you have any questions that haven't been answered you can email them directly to him at um H star.org or if you have general questions you can email us at info@ stark. org or call us for 484 4110 um we did get a question uh prior to the show about what happens if if you miss the sh misses the the the reading of the Torah for that week what do they how did did they make it up not that I didn't go to sh but the sh had a carea then obviously there's not much that you can do but what if the the entire Sho did not have a minion that week is there any way to make it yes then they should make it up the next week they would next week they would read the the the portion of the Torah that they missed and the weekly portion um even if the sh did have it if there were 10 people who were not able to make it so they could um if they want they could make their own Quorum um if they're able to to do it and then also to read the two the two readings the one of last week the one of this week um there's some discussion if you have less than 10 people if you have six people can you get four people who already heard it and make a quum and then do that that's that maybe debatable but if you have 10 people who who who didn't hear it they can they if they can they can make their own make their own make they make their own Minion basically make their own Minion and soly if you have a a whole minion which didn't make it then they should make it up yeah and but that doesn't hold true if you missed on a if they missed on Monday or Thursday for some reason if if the Sho was closed on a Monday morning and they didn't read the Torah then they don't they don't make it up any that you know everything that we read on Monday anyway right okay um so let's get back to we have a couple more minutes Frank let's get back to some more of these questions um uh let's say you have a a power outage on on chabis getting back to the chabas questions uh you have a power outage on chabis and uh your chent PO uh which was which was off all all of a sudden comes back on with with the joint in it with where the power comes on and now it starts cooking so what are the issues involved there besides for the the health issues which we'll leave at for the food safety discussion because if it was out of power maybe it's spoiled but that's you know we're assuming that you're able to tell whether or not it is or it isn't um let's deal with the H issues right so there are two potential halic issues one issue is again that the power went out so then when the power goes on it means that there's somebody somewhere well possibly it could be it's all computerized but it's quite possible there's somebody somewhere who's uh who's uh turning back on who's fixed it who's turning it back on so this person is causing this um causing your um your um your your um your heat to come back on your cck part to start working again so there is there is an issue of not meant to have a nonu doing something for you on shabas um but in this case there would not be a problem because he's not doing it for you he's doing it for all the people who he Services um and he's just doing his job um so we wouldn't look at it as the nju is turning on the turning on the power for you or turning on the the the oven the stove top the cckb for you so therefore that would not be an issue he's doing because that's what he's legally required to do right right he's doing right he's just doing his job then um you know and you know um um then um and um you know then um then there the other potenti the other potential issue would be that a person's not meant to have food cooked by an N jeu there's there's this concept of bish that we want food to be cooked by a Jew so one could look at it that even if the the the non Jews turn the flame back on even if it's not a shabas problem maybe it's just a problem uh nothing to do with shabas maybe it's a problem because the N just cooking for you so generally that's not an issue for a number of reasons firstly um it only applies to food which is is um an inedible raw and inedible if something's already halfway cooked so and then the nju finishes the cooking process so then that's not a problem so generally most people when they have chant um their chant is not raw when Chas comes in that's problematic it's meant to be halfway cooked before shabas comes in so therefore for anyway for shabas reasons that CH is going to be halfway cooked so then when the NRE turns back and turns the flame on that's not going to be considered bishal cooking because it's already cooked at the state that it's edible uh when I say halfway we measure it in time however long it would take for the food to be fully ready half of that is halfway um there's also another reason why it's not a problem over here because the nju is turning on the flame is turning on the power he doesn't know anything about your crck parts your flame he doesn't have any intent he's not he doesn't even know you exist so one wouldn't necess even if the food was raw one wouldn't necessarily look at it as that he's as that he's uh as that he's uh he's he's doing the cooking over here it just kind of happens by itself he just turns on the power for whoever needs it and then the then that that just causes your C to start going on so that would be another reason why it would not be a problem but as I said on shabas even if we would not accept that you shabas it's not a problem because the food is generally already cooked or at least halfway cooked preferably fully cooked before chabas comes in that in future before it goes before Shas comes in okay so basically that's not going to be that's not going to be an issue right okay uh we do have one more uh one more question here uh what about generator on Chavis so if the weather is very severe and the power went out and you set up let's say you set up your generator before shabus um so it's providing heat and some with the lights and so on but then it runs out because it's not uh it's not it needs it needs uh some gas or it needs some sort of fuel and it's not hooked up permanently so it goes out after a number of hours and we've had this question previously can we have can you ask a non-jew to ref fill the generator and to keep and to get it get it going one once more right so that's that's a good question um um we have a principle that when uh when when when a person's very cold extremely cold so that's considered as something which is going to make a person sick Hally um might be traumatically as well but Hally um uh stra very cold temperatures are considered unhealthy and therefore person would be treated like a like a sick person so um you know so then asking an N be allowed to so he would be allowed to ask n to make sure it's not we once asked if if it's very cold if it's necessary if it's really necessary we once asked um uh who's our reic administrator here we asked him what about if it would be let's say 50 Dees is that is that cold and he said inside a house that's that's cold you know because the person might think well only if it's freezing like 32 degrees 50° is is quite cold inside even though we can go out when it's 50° but you know and it's it's not not freezing but that's outside you're not there for for a long time inside the house if it's 50 uh people could could possibly get sick and that would be even enough to permit you to ask a non-jew to uh to set up the generator and obviously not to do it yourself that would not Beed to ask you wouldn't be allow to do it yourself because when you're putting in gas you're doing a Biblical prohibition you're lighting a fire and that would would be that would be prohibited um okay Jeff asks we have let's go back here let's take a couple of questions then and I think we have to come to the end AR says leaving the radio on and other precautions to stay in formed for safety when severe weather is anticipated on chabis andum um well yeah so so the best thing is to live in Israel where they have I think they have special stations for these kind of things where they quiet stations and they only announce if there's some problem okay in America we don't have that right I mean generally a person's not meant to have a radio on in General on shabas because it's it's it's noise it's something which is meant to produce noise and shabas is meant to be a day of rest and it's not meant to have things going on in the house which are producing noise so generally not um yes you know if there's um if if there would be some reason why there would be great necessity there might be difference I'm not sure if um you know if you need the radio to tell you whether you can walk to sh or not you can just look outside the window or snow would not be the kind of thing that would that would help you to have the radio on what are they telling you but if you lived in in a place where they might you know have tornadoes or other types of severe weather you might you would want to know person would want to leave it on quiet not blaring put it in in in a room that no one's going to hear right and then if they need to they can go in they could do what if municipality declares a state of emergency and people will be ticketed for driving on the roads you mean should you go to sh at that time I I would say no that doesn't sound it no definitely not if it's a state state of emergency it happened this past week in New York they after 11:00 on what was it uh Tuesday Monday night you weren't allowed to be on the roads in New York City uh then the person should not be on the road and driving to sh apart from the issues the person should also keep the law of the land right the law of the land is do anything and they they're really strict about they really mean stay off the streets um okay and uh New York City Bann bikes too he said ARA said okay but maybe they didn't ban walking okay Robert Frankle we've been we've been out it for about 40 45 minutes and we have all good questions I'm not sure that we answered everybody's questions but we tried to get as many as we can uh want to thank you for for joining us today pleasure to be um I think all listeners appreciated the uh the words of Torah and especially the English accent that everybody loves that and uh 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