Spending on Tzedaka and other mitzvos is there a maximum or minimum - Shiur by Rabi Nachum Scheiner

First of all, I would like to personally invite everybody this mat shave mala and mamaashana in my house. I'm looking forward to seeing everybody there. Today's shar the topic is about 7:45. The topic is giving me micer the amount a minimum and a maximum and at least some of the shittas it's learned out of this week's para the in this week's para says said, "Whatever you're going to give me, whatever you're going to give, I'm going to give my I'm going to give 10%." The this is a den that we know that a person is supposed to give 10% of his wealth to miser that's what this is saying. everything that you're going to give me everything. If you turn back in the previous para it says so Rashi brings the rabbi already gave me on fruits on like the Rambam says the the Rambam empiric test from the Rambam goes through the mitzvah till we got And then afterwards was got the mitzvah of Milo and he was shaker. That messer is miser on fruits. But now what Jacob gave the is is the to give me not only on fruits that we know is no on trumus micerus on fruits but rather on anything any income that you make you have to give mice you have to give 10%. The over here brings a that from this we learn that to give 10%. Interesting the in the says that Jacob gave micer on everything even on his children. One of his kids he gave that was Ley you know Ley was to learn but what we're focusing today is on the micer of a person's income. Yakavin who said whatever you're gonna give me any money any income I'm gonna give 10%. That's one the medish the brings from our 10%. is brings us and the truth is it's not in the saf I took a look at the sea and I didn't find it over there on the p of whereus brings it but could be it's somewhere else but the ms over there is m that it's not a sri but it's actually a medum and the med says on the of we layer to asser by um to asser to give me as to give you have to give me. So the the says something that's not read over here. A person has to give me on his on his when you make a business deal and you make money any income that you have to give. It could have just said what's so you see here another way another of for a person to give me these of that we're not talking about now I'm talking about the dinner of micer to give a person makes $100,000 the year he has to give $10,000 What would we say? We would say till now either it's a medish learn from our Pix. So maybe it's only it's a but from the we have a call even money that you have to give me the but that is coming to say that and the truth in the matter is that brings the says that it's that the dinner of givinger However, learns that it's not a derisa. The Mishna we say every single day of one of the mitzvah that we list out is what's the a person could do which means you help a person out you give them a ride. You bring something. You deliver. You give them an hand. That's then it's a person needs money for groceries. A person needs money. So it's also so the rah says that when the says there's no she what is no she by only there's no she as there's no she there's no amount however says when it comes to how much money to give there there is a she and we're going to speak about it Soon the Gomorrah says that he's a maximum a person should give is a is which is 20%. Which speaking about 10% but he's a cap up until up until 20% a person could give. So what does the Mishna say? There is a So the says the Mishna is only speaking about there is a that's what the RA says. However, the and the on the side the both explain that the den of the mission of gimm is speaking about also about money. Well, it's also speaking about about doing of giving money. there is a so they say that you'll find these other other cases that also have a that it says when you say this every single morning they explains but there is a so there is a cap above which is up until but that's says he kind of asks what happened to the din that we're speaking about now that you about about messer to give a tenth. In other words, we just said he's a druss that you're supposed to give just like you're supposed to give me on fruit, you're supposed to give me money with the so how much money you're supposed to give. He's supposed to give 10%. Serve says that that rush is not only the a person is supposed to give miser on his money is only. So we have so far we have two places we had to learn the micer either from our para or and we so far have a but we're not finished yet. There's another in the sim. It's the longest sim in all of 146. The last seif in that simmon sim after the goes through and mistress the ra says why did the leave outerani what happened to hilmi and the says it's important to bring huserani just like the tour broughti because many of saddaka alerted from so at the end of asks after 146 going through asks the what happened to the ofani that's the ra's question so the raos says that the already relied on what he spoke wrote in hedaka is 13 long from z all the way up So the left out my because my is to know. So said we know it already. The spoke in length about says the and the is right there on that ram. This den of just quote the inside. We only speak about myer. A person that gives me of his from his money. It's not included in my opinion that we give which we saw before could either be a week's par or it's not to say that those are so what is it yet the Over there on Hilas Trumus the chuba brings let's see what's cotton cotton base the chuba comes to defend this because they all go out on the how could he be such a thing that my saxoph is not even how could you how could you say such a thing so the chuva says that I don't know what your question is if you take a look the chu marameenberg which was the rebby of The rush one of the already say that it's not the dinner of my not but what is it? Yeah it's a it's a m to give micer but therefore he says since it's a mig just like any m that a person's if a person's a mik it becomes a nether and he's you have to you can't stop doing it you can make a tus but you can't stop doing it. So if a person starts giving me it's like a it's it's a and you can't stop. So what we have so far in the mitzvah of my thesim the either it's the to give the raon and now we see even a third sad not the not the ra but it's a min. Now we'll move on to the second part which is also said and mism from our but this den is for sure only a it's notice it's not aonom says they made a takoaz person wants to be generous made a lot of money have millions of dollars and you could afford to give way more than you'll still be left with a lot of money or even a person not with millions of dollars. A person who wants to give more than meer don't give more than 20%. Don't give more than 20%. You could 10% but not more than 20%. From $100 $10 to don't give more than $20. And the Gomorrah says why? Why not? In other words, if a person is going to give away too much saddaka, he might become poor. He's not going to have funds for himself. And therefore, these are maximum to how much mice a person should give. >> What' you say? >> Yeah. >> Oh, David's asking a very good question. So, David's making is going to be making even much more. And he wants to he wants to give a lot more. Person wants to give he want to give more than more than it's not for right now. But these have I once gave a shir these 11 different ways or however you want to call it that one could give more than one is actually mlig a person who made a lot of money. But we could I could give it to you afterwards. It's a shir I could send you the link. I could give you the the notes of it. But these these 11 different that a person could give. But we're going to focus on the the is that a person should not give more than more than >> is it broken down in a specific way. >> So that also is you're asking is it David's asking is it broken down in a specific way? The question is not only by it's by miser also. So the b and it's brought in explain this is the basic but obviously the of micer and are complex from what what's called re what's an expense that obviously we can't cover over here but one thing I do want to share with you is what the b already brings that the way to give mser and the same thing withish is the first year you take off from the karen the base money 10% % which means you start off this year you have capital however you have the money whether if you got a person got it as a gift as a yusha person has now $100,000 you give 10% of that not more than a kish then every year afterwards it's 10% of your gain so after the first year from the second year the person made $100,000 profit from that $100,000 profit you give 10% not how much the company's valued at you give 10% of the profit So there's a dinner a person should not give more than 20% more than the Gmorra brings the par the says not that it's a it's a but explains it could have said means Jacob was saying I'm going to give myer I'll give my asser I'll Give me micer. What's a reenu? Arenu means I'll give micer and then I'll give micer like the first messer which means one time 10% and again 10% which equals 20% and the garra says that's the cap not to give more than 20%. Now before we mentioned there are ways that even though the gammor says you should not give more is one is it but you're really allowed to or it's an iser is one allowed to give above 20% above >> the way you just said it is 10% $100,000 $10,000 $9,000 $9,000. You giving another 10. >> Well asked. You want to know when you gave me micer 10% and then you give another 10% it's not going to be another $10,000 of 100,000 because you're only left with 90. So the answer is no. It's not less than 10,000 right from the beginning. The 100,000 that you have you take off 20,000. Very good. And even when I read Rashi Asarasenu that the second Meister will be like the same. It doesn't mean that it's going to be taken off later after you only left. It just means right from the beginning I'm going to take off two 10%s which obviously equals 20% a full 20,000 out of 100,000 for an example. Is one allowed to give more than or you're not allowed on that? The Rambam seems pretty clearly that it's ava. You're you're allowed to just left out the on the giving the over here on this week's on the says it's the so this that the Gora says it's even a gamatria but it's a ra the raom appay the ram says is the following. You don't you're not to give more than 20%. If a person wants, he's allowed to. But it's not. There's no requirement to give more, but you're allowed to find doesn't argue on the Rambam. But first he says is that the mashmo of the gamorra brings a different gamorrah is masha clearly that it's asser person's not allowed to give more than 20%. Again we mentioned before there are exceptions but in the din itself a person's not allowed to give more than 20%. And he's and he learns like that. So we have a this of giving 20 not more than 20% is it or it's actually is you're not allowed. Now let's explore this den of giving meer and the same is also about giving not not giving more than ash is it only by saddaka on the income that you made or is it said by other mitzvah as well meaning to say if a per there's a certain mitzvah that you want to be mim for an example in astri most of the got ruined there's very very limited And the only way you can be the mitzvah of to buy an aster is by spending a lot of money is the is there how much to spend in we said clearly a person these a minimum either or to give minimally a minimum of 10% a maximum of 20%. What's about mitzvah? So The says a person doesn't have the any other mitzvah. He does he doesn't have an aster and the only way to get is to spend a lot of money. You don't have to spend a lot of money on the mitzvah. This dinner of the Rama is the it's the Russian and how the mission explains why is a person not supposed to give more than 10 20% because a person shouldn't a person shouldn't become poor. If that's the reason, you could say that reason for other mitzvah also. Yes, the Tory says to a mitzvah of Estri, but not on if it's going to make you poor, then you don't have to. So therefore, says there a person does not have to spend above 20% on buying the mitzvah. We're not talking about hid over here. We're talking about that if you're not going to buy the you're not going to have the not the mitzvah. The maximum is 20%. Furthermore says the which both of this is basically almost in the minimum there's also a minimum just like messer there's a minimum of 10% so too by these mitzvah a person has to spend 10% of his money for a mitzvah that he cannot he will not be able to get the mitzvah without spending that amount that's the brings asks and the bes says true by a person has to give 10% and a maximum of 20%. But maybe by mitzvah you have to give even more than 20% because it's a mitzvah which means if you're not going to pay the money for an astri it's going to come sukus you're not going to have a to do the mitzvah so therefore you have to pay more than 20%. So even though the gammor says that don't give more than 20% of your wealth you shouldn't have to come to collect yourself but maybe that's only if it's a da when it comes to other mitzvah if you're not going to pay money for the mitzvah you're not going to be able to crime the mitzvah could be you have to spend more so we have the which is said by say it's by other mitzvah and they basically questions that over here invas to explain the toothard but we see by other mitzvah there's also a den minimum 10% maximum 20%. But here's one more den. The final den for today in this topic says when it comes to not to be a what's over there maximum a tenth a 20th mitzvah also a 20th what's about he could get away not doing an ao by paying a lot of money. What's the cap over there? What's the maximum? He gives all he has to give all his money. He has to give all his money. What's the difference? What's the between a mitzvah and a mitzvah? that a mitzvah say there's a cap of 20% a maximum and say there's no maximum you have to give away all your money on this is and this brings out what what is what the reason the between a mitzvah and a mitzvah a mitzvah if you don't do that say what happens if you don't you can't you buy. So what's going to happen to asteric? What's going to come? You just didn't do the mitzvah as opposed to let's give an example to each. If a person doesn't spend the money, what is he doing? He's going to be a he's physically going to do the by the mitzvah. If you don't do that, if you're not going to buy the mitzvah, you're just not going to have it and it's just going to pass without not being you're not being the mitzvah. However, the laugh by a person not doing the by a person not getting himself out of the he's actually being says theam I'll show you there is an which you could be it's an that it's to eat not to do business with not to ruin it So what happens if a person wants to get out of not ruining or not doing with the peris so if he's not going to pay money what is he going to do he's going to be usually is is taking lulaf so if you don't spend you know if not doing just means not taking the lulaf by if a person how you not doing that not doing means you're being perish say you're doing something. So therefore says theam if the reason why the cap is 20% because it's not as bad just avoiding doing a mitzvah but if avoiding doing a mitzvah means doing it physically by it's doing it physically doing ruining the pis it could be even by you'll have to give The same is the opposite says theam. What's a can anybody offer a lav? That's not being is not you don't do anything by not doing something. Very good. That's the the case that brings noer. You don't do any you don't do any if you leave it over. So this says since you're not doing it could be over there you only have to pay up until 20% not to be over the go not paying a worker which would be and there also it's alisa. Let's say you could work it out to not to be over but it'll cost you more than 20%. Says since it's you don't have to pay more than 20%. So this of by by mitzvah that you gift up until 20% and by the way we see so far from the it's not in it's totally if you're going to be over the physically or you're just not going to be over in shu maharit. I'm sorry. The rev the reash and simmon shimp the revash learns this den of 20% by sh mitzvah is by across the board doesn't make a difference what type of and always you have to give even like a case you said a case of no you have to give so just to be mak what we had today this morning messer to give me micer There.