Sukkos | Rabbi Shais & Dovid Taub

[Music] hello blood brother i'm in the car right now um your nephew is driving hi swirl i hope you're coming back from somewhere holy yep pretty holy we're coming back from the aisle right now it's 1 40 a.m we're just finishing up fabregan over there and we wanted to check in with you well good thank you i'm just finishing up uh working on a a video for uh operation 613. what is operation 613 that is a good question it is a daily safe route missus program for kids check it out it's cool right now it's in beta mode and registration is limited so i don't know if you go and you try to register right now you may not be able to do it so copyright so i think this is episode 4 of blood brothers yes yeah i think it is and so much has changed since the last episode the world has wouldn't you say the world has changed it's a different world well when we started we were doing zoom it had already we were like in lockdown right that's when everybody jumped on yes correct but we thought it was going to be like like oh okay until peso we thought it was going to be topesa and then we thought it was going to be till chavouras yeah and now it's uh tishrei yeah yeah so yeah the world is different so much has changed wouldn't you say i will say i've i've been asking the question i was asking oh i stopped asking it but like a couple of months ago was are we going to like are my kids going to be telling their grandkids about the time that they had to go to school on online and when or were maths or whatever or are they going to tell them about the time back before you had to do all of that like are they still going to be doing that 40 years from now green light as well that's a frightening question yeah i'm sorry i don't i don't mean to to depress our viewers or to frighten them yeah what do you think's worse frightening people are depressing people depressing because frightening can at least motivate people because fright is like a stimulus response it's really it's like like almost like neurological like oh you like like snakes uh you know scare people you know like a cucumber scares a cat yes now it seems that you've googled why the cucumbers scare cats because i said snakes and you went right for cucumbers scaring cats which means that you have been influenced by the theory that the cats are recognizing the cucumber as a snake yes yes so apparently they can they can figure out everything else in our modern world and they can like you know they'd have no problem stepping on your remote control or whatever but that cucumber which isn't particularly modern but um i guess the modern cucumber uh but they see a cucumber and they think of the snails they just they're not used to it the smell the scent is different and they think that thing's a snake they think it's a snake and they jump now the questions would they jump from a zucchini squash has that been tested and if not do you think i could get 10 million views on youtube because i want to tell you my kinder egg unboxing videos have a hundred million views i have a side i have a side hustle where i post kinder egg unboxing videos and i have i get ad revenue i have about a hundred million views right so that's that's what your your real income this is this the the rabbi stuff is just uh about projects that's right would you consider our conversation kamek or torah are those the only two options yes well it's not kemak because kamak is some is a responsibility that's something that you're doing because you have to do it it's a means to an end and this is something that we're doing because it brings us joy and we believe it brings other people joy yeah can i talk about that for a second i i i we initially made these zoom things just for fun to see we threw it out there we saw with anybody respond to it and i want to tell you of all the things i've put out in the past half a year this thing the podcast between you and me has gotten the most exuberant response that's wonderful i think it says something what does it say people want they like the um the format the conversation yeah i haven't seen a lot of like i mean i'm not a big podcast guy but i i haven't heard a lot of podcasts it's just people sharing ideas jewish ideas jewish ideas probably not no no it exists with lots of other stuff but yeah that's like the the primary format for podcasts yeah but not jewish ideas yeah so hopefully we're providing something that that uh is appreciated all right i have a question for you yes a circus question yeah all right my question for you and i've asked i've asked this question to lots of people and nobody wants to take me seriously my question is i don't know you getting pulled over could be all right well let's keep this recording just in case the racial profile well he's yeah he's shining the light i don't know anyway you had a question before israel got pulled over which we're going to cut out okay yeah you've got to stop this you should leave it in there by the way okay all right i have a question for you i was took this question for you yeah yeah you ready all right yes so this is a question i've asked a lot of people and uh nobody wants to take it seriously my question is if you were to uh shrink a person a human being with a shrink ray and shrink them down to the size of like a toothbrush what size sukkah would he need to eat in wow that's my question for you what is the um regular shear for a sucker it has to be are you quizzing me not questioning that try not to put you on the spot but you brought it up so it's seventh [ __ ] by seventh [ __ ] how tall is it ten ten maybe i'll tell you what it's not more than twenty omelettes i know that you know why it's a couple things the very beginning of of sukkah but uh you don't see it up there which is like why the hanukkaminer also can't be up there because then it's not piercing nissa people don't look that high yeah yeah that's there's another reason too right because of shade ah well because then the walls will start casting the shade right again from the walls not from the sky right it's like when you're in a in in the city you know the skyscrapers make it dark that's right yeah they call that manhattan skier oh there's okay i haven't heard that term before i made it up just now um yeah so so what do you think if a person a regular sukkah is whatever the dimensions are and it's it's based on the size of a person that they should be able to fit in it yeah instead a single person should be able to fit most of himself in there if the person is tiny could he sit in a tiny sucker does he still need to sit is that sheer now set because for everybody whatever that's a great question there's actually a question in the gemara and um about yum kippur egg malafabasan right exactly so it asks the question of if a giant has has to have the same shear and to eat onion kipper to be considered eating onion kipper or if uh if it's different for for a giant and the mascana there the gemara so so i forget which emulator it was that asked the question and said hey how is this [ __ ] the same for everybody um shouldn't it be different for a male combustion and then the answer is no because we we we know we that the this is the sheer we have the the mosaic that this this is the shear that it settles the dos of a person and it doesn't matter how big they are it's just that for a regular person it'll it'll settle their their mind a lot and for me for oig for a giant it would settle their mind less but it would still do it it still accomplishes that um yeah so you want to ask about about uh eating onion kipper and giant but there's two differences there one that's about food and it's about something that you're ingesting and uh and so that as opposed to ahsoka which is something that's around you that's one difference i can think of and another difference is that like is a giant like he that's his size and a person who shrunk down is still a regular sized person who shrunk down maybe that might make a difference okay these are boring questions aren't they no i'm enthralled okay so um where were you going with the difference between eating which is something you put into you and sukkah which is something you go into well i was thinking that that might create a different so the this this question from the mana discusses and he's discussed it in the context of a cricketer from the rugged shower about shir otzmi and uh and uh sherman starriff is this sheer a kazias the size of an olive is it that that when you have this amount now that if now you have something which is uh sir or is it that there's this us or food whatever it is kazar and it's all user but um you have to put together enough tiny pieces of it until you have a casios in order for it to be considered uh to be to be considered uh i don't understand the difference all right uh you know i'm i think i'm mixing things up okay we'll cut this out yeah let's cut it out it's boring anyways we'll go back to the cats and cucumbers before you throw i got pulled over just keep on going back to the cats and the cucumbers yeah well we can put in many as many of those videos as we want [Music] let me try this again the question the question of the day is he says you can look at the measurements in torah whether it be because is an olive's worth or uh revis a certain amount of liquid measure you can look at each one of these measurements in two different ways either you can see it as one thing or a collection of parts so is a an olive's worth of something an olive's worth or is it a bunch of tiny little molecules of whatever food this is a trey sandwich um is this a bunch of tiny pieces that combine together is that sort of like is there anything is there any such thing as half a drop so yeah nope what's uh yeah what tell me about this click here this is from our mother's okay that's right when she was a little girl she used to tell our bubby allah i don't want a lot of drink i want a little bit of drink i just want half a drop and you she used to tell her well if it's only half a drop it won't drop right is it similar to that yes it might be yeah i think it is similar to that so there are there's a famous argument between rabbi and rich lakesh about khatsi shir whether khan is osterminator whether if you have a portion of so if something is us or if you eat an olive's worth of it what if you have less than that is that still us or we know that you don't get punished until so we know you don't get punished until you have a kazias of it but is it still us or to eat it before then rabiesman have a famous argument in in gemara about whether or not a poor less than a shear you know what they call it katsy's here half a shear but it could mean any any fraction of a shear any fraction doesn't have to be fifty percent no so i think robbie econom says [Music] says that it's not i might be wrong but uh the the way that argetra sets it up is he says they are both looking at the shoot him in two different ways one is looking at it and saying that a kazias of something is becomes a new a new existence a new thing and that is now user and the other one says no it's always awesome you know pig meat even one tiny bit of it is us or it's just that the punishment doesn't start applying until you put enough of those pieces together to make it significant mm-hmm so then the the question becomes the minimal measurement according to toyota is that is that the point where something becomes what it is or is it the point where it becomes significant meaning even less than that amount still is what it is it's just not significant meaning you wouldn't be punished so i guess i guess the question that i'm wondering is so you can apply this to food can you eat because you can take a food is is something that you you take a chunk of it and put it inside of you and you can take the bigger smaller chunks can you say that about a market a sukkah surrounds you can can there be a piece of a makif well i would say the whole concept of aruba is a partial market you're not putting your entire self into the sukkah you're putting part of yourself into the sukkah but you're the thing you're you the the person who shaped like a line is the thing that's being that's less than whole nice and whole the sukkah itself is still i mean i guess it's not officially whole because it's only two and a half walls but uh still it is still encompassing you or part of you how does this connect back to the shrink ray the shrink question didn't say the guy he didn't say it was a shrink right did you i did oh okay fine did you say it was a shrimp yeah it's a shrink it's it's important that it be a shrink ray it's not like for various boring reasons i have constructed this weird question in a very specific way okay okay i have another question that if you have a time machine it's a time portal it's not a time machine it's not electronic or anything it's a time portal and if you jump through it on shabbos um is it still shabbos if you jump through the time portal into it into not shabbos it is still shabbos for you anyway so that question it has to be a time portal it can't be a time machine because then you can't boo boop the buttons maybe it's not electrical no maybe it's just you find a hole in your house that if you jump through it you go one day earlier i was saying even the machine you could have a machine that just mechanical there's no ah okay electricity oh it's like some sort of like joules room time machine joules burn time machine yeah yeah that and in fact i believe that is the uh that's the time machine all right do you have anything meaningful to say because you also heard of his time i would say would wouldn't you say that was ahead of his time why are you laughing because that is like the it's such a it's a pompous thing to say like if you're in a gathering and you want to sound smart it's an empty just bloated thing to say jules verne was ahead of his time wouldn't you say wouldn't you agree let's talk about that yeah so so far i don't think we've said anything given any anybody anything to put in their pocket i'm not familiar with that idiom what does that mean i made it up just now but it means that like all right this might have been like enjoyable while you listen to it but you walk away and you don't have anything you mean there's some poor guy watching this right before shabbos and he's waiting for the vote already or not two minutes before she gets yeah he has to turn it off and he's sitting at the shabbos table and his wife's like okay would you like to share something i i saw you watching that that madcap blood brothers what would you like to share pray tell my cats are afraid of cucumbers there's something about a shrink ray an he didn't just watch the video before shabbos he printed out the transcript from the youtube automatic uh subtitles and he's reading it right verbatim at the shabbos table oh my gosh can you imagine that some guy reading out a printed transcript of this conversation at his shabbos table just wondering when is the titan gonna come in yeah he keeps on going like this to his family all right you wanna hear something about circus i do okay let me tell you something this is uh this is from the debbie's father um very simple concept what was that it was a fairy that lives in my house so there's uh there's a prohibition in the theater do not add and do not subtract from the theta from the mitzvahs so it's kind of obvious not to subtract everyone knows that you're not allowed to not do a mitzvah do you think there was ever a clever kid who tried to get out of math class that way tata says no adding and subtracting right and then he just walks out go on do not subtract well obviously we know not to subtract you know you're not allowed to not do a mitzvah so actually the cliaker explains you know the cliaka the the precious vessel the kliyaka says what does it mean they say sifu siguru it means do not add in order that you do not come to subtract that when you add where you shouldn't add you end up taking away by the way i'll tell you a little cute uh story based on that apparently um abba eben played golf with nixon abbot even was the ambassador and he played golf with nixon and he beat nixon and ben gurion said to abba ebene i saw the nixon beat you in golf he says no i beat him he says well i saw that the score was whatever you know i don't know what what what would be a believable golf score for i don't know well i know that in miniature golf if you get five strokes they just that's that's they max you out at that right is that correct i don't know i've i am bad at every sport including miniature golf i don't know anything about any of this okay so anyways let's say you said well ben gurion said to abby even i saw that you had um 118 and nixon only had 116 so i'm sorry no the opposite i saw that you had 116 nixon had 118 so he beat you why do you say you won he says no in golf it's they say sifu well i see that by adding a higher golf score is worse would you say jules verne was ahead of his time do you think jules verne was a golfer all right so yeah so there was a so what are you telling me oh it don't add to toyota because then i'll subtract from there so there's a marshall from the from the dubna magic i know i'm not supposed to say my throat too many times but then sometimes i do because i forget if i said it i think you're not supposed to say like double like back to back yeah talking about the mission and magilla the guy who said smash ma or maybe you made him i might imagine you're not supposed to say right um so there's a muscle from the dumbness that one time this guy goes over to his neighbor and he's like hey could i borrow your what do you borrow from him your silverware silverware so he's like yeah sure so he lends it to him and then when he returns it he's like oh hold on a second you're giving me back extra like i i give you ten spoons now i see 20 spoons so he's like oh yeah while the spoons are with me i guess they were pregnant they had babies so the guy's like okay well i guess my neighbor is kind of a fool and he thinks that spoons can get pregnant and have babies and well what do i care i'm getting extra spoons you know it's good silver right so he's like okay fine no problem all right so he took it anyways this is a long con because i don't know if he did it more than once i thought it was gonna be just a short change con i thought they were gonna go back and forth with the spoons no no listen he set him up because then he comes to him later and he's like um can i buy your chandelier is it like sure by all means borrow my chandel okay and it was the guy never returned it finally comes over a few days when do you intend on returning the chandelier he's like oh i'm sorry my condolences while the chandelier was with me it died so he says a chandelier can't die he says well if you believe that spoons can have babies why can't the chandelier die okay wow that is a long con that's the marshall from the doom that when you add you end up subtracting which means basically if you can tell hashem that i can use my own judgment to add mixes then eventually you could rationalize coming to the point where you can constitute them detract and take away okay so the whole point is that don't tamper with the mitzvahs they're not subject to human intellect we understand as much as we can understand like that says you should try to understand as much as you can understand but ultimately mitzvahs are beyond us or like siddhis often mentions all so don't rationalize you're gonna add even though you think adding is a good thing because then you think mixes are subject to your understanding and then you're gonna rationalize subtract okay so far so good yes okay but i mean jews have added a lot to to that's a classic question but abdullah yeah so you know there's that's the question about all of the uh xedus so i mean that one you could say that that that's that is wrapped up in a mitzvah from the toyota but what about minha game things that jews just started doing that so the rambam actually clarifies and says that when the when the rabonum came and made different connors zetas um he gives he gives a specific example i believe this is the exact example but about bhasa bukhala about milk and meat that when they come and they say as interpreters of the law and and and the rabbis say that doesn't just mean the actual child of that mother it means any meat and milk from from that species uh so that's not adding that's them interpreting what the words mean however however when they come along and they say and don't even mix chicken and milk that's them legislating on by their own power invested in them by the title but then that's them legends that's not interpreting interpreting that's legislating and they have to be transparent about the fact that that's not we're not claiming that's what toyota says we're admitting that that's that biblically that's not the prohibition but we are adding to that and as long as they are um transparent about that then it's fine and by the way that yeah that sounds like a like a good argument for citing sources yes of course you have to cite sources i asked the guy i don't want to say who and i don't want to say where and i don't want to tell you his background or anything but i had a sense that he was struggling with this idea and i asked him is there a difference in the gathering of kiov between eating matzah on the night of the seder and eating he could not answer the is there a difference between pesach which is i don't know who this person is but that i wouldn't put that on him a lot of the information is presented that way it's a pet peeve of mine when i see uh torah presented in a way that says this is what's true and like here's how like in whatever whatever it is here's how that afterlife works here's how this works and not saying well according to this source and according to that source especially because there's so many different like different ways of looking at things even within within uh patera yeah and like our ancestors said is my son is sitting here so i'm saying for him so i feel good okay so measure received the total from from sinai his name represents that inherent in toyota is the fact that there are two diametrically opposed opinions and or perspectives i don't like to use the word opinions because it makes it sound like a whim but that the truth is more nuanced than just there's one way of looking at it right and if you just if you just present the jewish view and it's and it's one tiny part of it then you're not doing justice to toyota correct but i think we discussed this at length in our pre-shavus blood brothers yeah we did yeah so let's not go down the route again okay although we're both very interested in it but at any rate the idea of do not add so that you do not subtract um so the rabbit's father says like this there is a a verse in uh ishio the prophet it says hashem hashem will act as a protecting soccer canopy shelter lamar mr mizera mummy matar to shield and to protect the zedem and the mother zarim means storm means storm is rain so hashem is like a sukkah that will protect you from the storm and the rain so here's what the devil's father says that when you realize that hashem is a sukkah a machith meaning to say that as much as we can understand we don't contain hashem in our puny little heads leicester bay no thought can grasp hashem so ultimately we don't ever have him contained he contains us our relationship with torah is ultimately a marquis an encompassing relationship because tata is always going to be literally and figuratively both above our heads like when you say something went over your head whoosh right and understand it okay so ultimately tata will always have around your head there's there's always an infinite amount of toyota beyond us because infinite so whatever we're able to internalize there's still an infinite amount that's still beyond us that goes over our head so toyota is a sucker hashem is and when you realize that when you realize that even though we learn toyota and we internalize it but it's still infinitely beyond us that will shield us that knowledge will shield us protect us from what from zedim and mata storm and rain and what is the storm in the rain there are remark as say 248 positive commandments which travis finally says the 240 party 248 positive commandments basically represents all mixes i know there's also the shazam it's the slices say 365 prohibitions but basically there's 248 things as jews that we do okay okay those are the things that you do when you know that toyota and mitsus are fundamentally beyond us then you'll be protected from zerem or matar zerem is zion 247. malta is 249 if you have that awareness that you'll stick with the 248 that are mock and you won't go down and you won't go up so what is that based on that part then i i forgot you don't like the word fart based on that nakuda what uh what would you say about the little guy in the sukkah how little shrink shrunken man how what size sukkah should he be in wow based on that yeah do you think there's a connection i mean i guess everything you tell it is connected to everything it does i mean you didn't it didn't go you didn't go one step further but it made sense to me if you say if you realize that like i mean the the you could just interpret what you what what you just uh shared with me as well if you know that god is completely beyond you then you won't mess with it like if like you won't mess with us with with god's stuff and uh you won't tamper with something that you have no uh you have no idea what you would what you're tampering with right you have no credentials you're not uh certified um to do this right because you know that god is completely beyond you um but it seemed like it it they go together even more than that to me it seems like like when you know that god is that god is not something that you can collect pieces of that that you are getting god is something that is a con conceptually something that is around you right and and once you know that then you can't you can't start chipping away pieces at it you'll be protected from that thing right there that right there that seriously say that an atsum an essence which is such a clumsy translation of atom but yes we can do i think till now um cannot be divided can't be miscolic something that is what it is cannot be but and then conversely you know what we say also that when the balchemtha said shout out to us that when you hold on to part of an answer what is part of an etsy well there is no part of an estimate because that what's the rest of the statement you're holding on to all of it right so then it would make sense that if you start taking away a if you try to take away a part of an atom or you start try trying gluing things on to it to an etsy you will no longer have that etsy that's not the thing that this is not something that can be divided so so it seems like though those ideas go together like in an even more direct way and therefore and therefore that's what i'm trying to figure out someone who was shrunken with a shrink ray he would still suck he'd have to go inside of a big sucker and the sheer of a sukkah would not be smaller because he's smaller the share of the sukkah is the share of the sukkah yeah that that would be my argument based on this conversation david you are a man who is truly ahead of his time i would say thank you much like h.g wells you got me i thought you were going to say uh jules verne he was also ahead of his time would you say do you think but i realized that he wasn't the time machine oh yeah that's right i i i was thinking wondering that when you said that yeah no what's interesting by the way is jules verne did have a thing about people getting shrunken right i don't know i don't know i haven't i haven't read any of this well you went to disney world yes i did yes i actually went to to disneyland paris which does not have a tomorrowland it has a discovery land which is instead of based on 1950s retrofuturism it's based on uh jules verne type of of uh futurism there's a lot of copper yeah it's like steampunk yeah it's like steampunk um so i've never read any of it the in the in the disney world not the euro disney but the regular disney they have the 20 000 leagues under the sea don't they do that i believe so i believe 20 000 leagues under the sea is a ride disney world yeah i think you're right yes i believe i've been on it i want to know something yeah i haven't read it either but i've been on that but you've experienced it it's even more so you have been surrounded by it like a market like a market i don't need to read twenty thousand leagues under the sea i lived twenty thousand leagues under the sea for about eight minutes for about eight minutes and i want to tell you something it changed me i i put my life basically in two um eras before i went on 20 000 leagues under the sea and after are you serious because it's one of the most boring rides in disney world apparently because you can't even remember that such a it's a it's a walkthrough right you just walk through the nautilus right no you go on the submarine and no it's not a walk-through you ride on the submarine so would you say that the sukkah is judaism's theme park the sukkah is an immersive experience yeah it is an immersive experience every other mitzvah we have that's someone who was a fan of judaism but had it been it had been admiring judaism as an observer you might say to them have you ever been inside a circle and experience it as an immersive experience yeah i do think that because i i think everything else is like you know uh all the other mitzvahs are things you can hold yeah including the lula vanessa yeah thomas isn't disneyland for me though suk is fun now you mentioned the talos because it's also a marcus would you consider a tallis it's an immersive experience thomas is knott's berry farm if a sukkah is disney with disney world then uh then i would say thomas is not berry farm okay all right i hear that okay wow is there anything usable in this the cats and the cucumbers are definitely usable that that was a winner and i think yeah we've got tremendous material here okay good fantastic all right anything else no that's all that's all i have i feel like this has been an immersive experience yeah do you well you've been um you have been encompassed by your vehicle the entire time the safest place to be during i can't remember if it's a true thing or a sci-fi thing okay whatever you say i feel like it's going to endanger somebody's life at some point but okay no no you're right because somebody's got if you start the safest place to be yeah i don't remember expensing safety tips right can't remember but yeah i think it's on top of a of a metal shed in a thunderstorming storm during the lightning storm right i can't remember if the phone and i'll google it later and get back to you would you say benjamin franklin was ahead of his time um benjamin franklin invented the library and he wanted yeah yeah and he also invented the library fine okay yes which was a hundred dollars which is why benjamin franklin is on the bill he invented a hundred dollars yes before that everyone was like this costs 99 i don't know what to do if you want more of it right i could give you 99 twice like i have a thing i have a bag of grain it cost 99. yep if you want any more than this i don't know what to do right gonna have to go walk out and come back in i'll give you a smaller bag in addition and you'll pay for that that's right and that was written in poor richard's almanac you can look that up poor richard's almanac yes it's his book but what's written in there hey let's have a hundred dollar bill let's have a well you didn't write it like that but however he wrote it in his language in the language of his time okay did he recommend that was that did he believe that the recommended fine for an overdue book should be a hundred dollars of course yeah that's why he recommended it wait i used they all do go together he invented the library invented the the fine and he said that the fine for the book should be a hundred dollars well the original punishment was you have to stand on top of a metal shed in a lightning storm with a key attached to a kite i don't even i don't know anymore what part of this is this thing that you actually told me that's a fact and what part of it is layers upon layers of jokes are there any other machine that you would like to talk about no that's it okay all right thank you my brother thank you brother [Music] i