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Maslow vs Frankl (Parshas Chayei Sarah)
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Which is more essential to life: material security or spiritual clarity? Looking at the first Jewish home, our mother Sarah's tent, we can answer this question and also settle an ideological debate between two great 20th century Jewish psychologists, Abraham Maslow and Viktor Frankl. For more classes from Rabbi Shais Taub visit https://www.soulwords.org/ Follow us on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/rabbi_shais_taub Support our work at: https://www.soulwords.org/donate/ --OR-- PayPal: https://www.paypal.com/paypalme/soulwordspayments CashApp: https://cash.app/$soulwords Venmo: https://venmo.com/u/soulwords
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so this guy goes to visit the great
Swami to ask the meaning of life
and he travels by air and by boat
and by Donkey and he finally he gets to
the top of the mountain where the great
Swami
resides in isolation
comes face to face with the Great Farm
he says great Swami
what
is the meaning of life
the great Swami says my son
life
is like a fountain
he says yes yes of course of course life
is like about
life is
like a fountain
thanks for a second he says great Swami
how how is life
like a fountain
great Tommy says no so maybe it's not
like a fountain
okay all right I'm
pretty consistent here with
my jokes
consistent reaction to these jokes okay
the meaning of life well it's funnier
than you're the it's always the
cop-out excuse well and yeah this is
hilarious
yeah so uh
the meaning of life
how important is it to
seek the meaning of life
it's interesting because actually it's a
subject of dispute between two great
Jewish psychologists of the previous
century
you have uh Victor Frankel of course who
was a holocaust Survivor
and many many people think that he wrote
logotherapy as a response to his
Auschwitz experience it's actually quite
the opposite he came up with it as a
theory and then unfortunately he had
multiple
opportunities to see it
verified his theory was that a person
needed to have meaning he needed to have
a reason to live
and that it was actually essential to
survival and then in the camps he
actually saw this the people who lost
the will to live
um could not go on
at the same time interestingly in 1940s
you have another Jewish psychologist
imagine that a Jewish psychologist
uh yeah it's another one of those
anti-semitic tropes the
over-representation of the Jews and
certain Fields by the way I I want to
say for full transparency you know where
Jews what professional Jews are really
overrepresented
rabbis
it's like dominated
by Jews
at any rate
um
yeah
so we're talking about Jewish media
Bankers
Jewish psychologists okay so there was
another Jewish psychologist
at the exact same time as Frankel who
lived in Austria
there was a
a Jewish psychologist by the name of
Maslow Abraham Maslow
he lived in California
and he had
the uh the famous hierarchy of needs
which is a representation it's a sort of
a diagram of a pyramid
and the base of the pyramid the widest
level the foundation of the pyramid
those are what he considers to be the
most important needs that's why he calls
it a hierarchy and then you go
increasingly to the top and you have
thinner or narrower levels which she
considers to be things that are
after you meet the lower need then you
become interested in meeting the higher
needs so for instance like the lowest
level are physiological needs so a
person who can't breathe let's say God
forbid he can't breathe and you ask him
where do you want to go for lunch today
he's not that interested in eating
because first needs to breathe but after
you can breathe then you're interested
in making sure that you can eat and in
turn
a person who doesn't know where he's
gonna get food where his next meal is
coming from is not thinking about where
he's going to find shelter for the night
but once a person has food then he'll
start to think oh where's a drive safe
place for me to to sleep
and then it graduates from physical
physiological needs
um to things like uh like Society
companionship living in a community
so a person first for instance who's
who's trying to keep their body alive
they're not really worried about
friendship and that kind of stuff but
once you do have those needs met then
you look
for higher level needs and then the
highest thing
uh the the Schmitz to use a Yiddish word
the little
tippy top of the pyramid and Maslow's
hierarchy is self-actualization
which is meaning
finding uh
uh like a coherent philosophy or a
narrative that explains what life's all
about that kind of thing so it's
interesting
um
these two approaches are really
inversions of one another
Frankel is saying
that
what Maslow considers
the last thing you need
Frankel says is the most essential
and that
vice versa even if somebody has their
most basic survival what we can
classically consider so survival needs
met but they don't have what Maslow
considers the most
uh
call it maybe the luxury the most
luxurious of needs then then according
to Frankel's worldview person would
actually die they would not even be able
to survive
so
um
what does it have to do with this week's
Torah portion
so
you talk
Isaac marries Rifka Rebecca
and it says here
that Rifka Rebecca's brought
to
Yitzhak
Isaac's tent
a holla
imai
yet brought her
to the tent
of soda his mother
as Rifka
and he took Rifka that
and she became his wife
and he loved her
was comforted comforted after his mother
what is this phrase
holla
imai the tent of Sarah his mother
Rashi reads it like this
he brought her to the tent the holiday
he started imai and she became his
mother
that would get another Jewish
psychologist very interested
Freud would have a field day with that
Oedipus mattapus as long as he loves his
mother right okay Claymont
that is to say
nice dugmats
she became
the image a replica of soda
his mother
what does it mean that she became that
Rifka became like soda Rebecca became
like Sarah
's Manchester
is that as long as Sarah was alive her
tent had
a candle that would stay lit from one
out of Shabbos one Friday afternoon till
the next
and there was a blessing in the dough
meaning that the no matter how many
guests they had and Sarah's husband
Abraham was always having guests no
matter how many guests they had the doe
was always sufficient to satiate
everyone so there was a blessing in the
dough but on uncultural
and there was a cloud
over the tent
when she died meaning Sarah those things
stopped all three of those things
stopped
shabboska Rebecca came when she married
Isaac
they returned
they were reinstated
so there were three things that took
place as long as Sada was alive
so remember what they were there was
candles that stayed lit all Shabbos are
all weak from Shabbos to Shabbos
there was a blessing in the dough
and there was a cloud over the tent okay
when she passed away those things left
when Rifka came and and married
Yitzhak those things returned okay and
the source Rashi gets this from is from
gracious rabba foreign
so
this is like the archetypical Jewish
Home this is
our matriarch Sarah as well as
our matriarch Rebecca
and whatever they have in their home
it's not just uh peculiar peculiar to
them it's really
sort of a model
for all of us
and this idea of these three miracles
that were the signature of these two
matriarchs
is is a teaching to us
I mean I'm sure there were many miracles
we know there were Angels coming and
going in their home and all types of
Supernatural stuff why are these three
things singled out like
there were there weren't other unusual
things to speak of and
the explanation is these three these
three things are three categories
there are many miraculous things and
special things that happened
but these three things are three
categories
and they're sort of like the Mainstays
of a Jewish Home and that's why we see
them by the original Jewish Home
you have
the Shabbos candles the Shabbos candles
represent
warmth and Light
um
light is intangible
so it's not a material thing it's a
it's an abstraction
you think about light you have a room
that's dark
and you can't see what's in the room and
then you turn on the lights you say ah
there's a beautiful banquet here
well
the banquet was there before the lights
were turned on so turning on the lights
doesn't actually put anything new in the
room
but it allows you to see it to
appreciate it
so it's intangible but uh
it enhances our experience
of all the tangible things that that's
light
then there was the the blessing in the
dough that's I mean every Jewish mother
knows that you got to have what to feed
your guests and you can't let people
leave your house without eating more
than they planned on eating and
make sure to serve them fruit
you have to have fruit you can't leave
without
a little fruit at least some fruit
and then you have the cloud on the tent
that's shelter
and that's probably the most basic thing
to have a a home you have to have a
house
doesn't mean you have to
be a homeowner
whether you you own or you rent the
point is that you need a physical space
you need a physical space where this
Jewish Home is taking place so that's
the
that's the cloud over the tent
so basically you have three categories
you have
the warmth the intangible light
you have
the food and all the other
material needs that people need to keep
their bodies going and then you have the
the cloud over the tent meaning the
shelter the actual physical environment
where to put everything
those are three categories
so if I were to ask you like Sesame
Street Style
which remember that which of these kids
is doing his own thing right so of these
three categories
which of these three is different from
the other two
what might you
say
candles
because
it's not physical okay
so you have
the light which is intangible
and then you have the food and the
shelter
which are
tangible physical
and the question becomes
what is the role of this sort of odd man
out this intangible category
um and why is it a category on par with
these physical needs like food and
shelter
and furthermore in a case where one has
to prioritize
which one does one seek out first
so
ah
tell you a story
there was a holocaust Survivor
named uh Hugo green
and he had a radio show on the BBC in
England
and
sometimes he would tell stories about
his his own life
he had a an unusual experience in the
camps he was actually in Auschwitz with
his father that was unusual because
generally speaking
um they kept people who could labor who
could work as slaves and
fathers and children didn't I don't want
to be morbid but for obvious reasons
we're not generally
uh in the same camp
but Hugo uh I think he was 12.
and he may have lied about his age or he
was a little bit tall but he was able to
get in with the adults with the men and
so he spent his time in Auschwitz with
his father they were together in the in
the same in the same Barrack they they
slept
so anyways he tells the story
that was one bitter freezing cold night
in uh in Auschwitz
and there's the middle of the winter and
they went out all day
performing slave labor
and at the end of the night they would
come back and they would have a few
hours to sleep on these slats that were
called beds
and he came into the the Barrack
and Hugo says he was horrified
to ascertain immediately as he
entered the door
he could make out his father crouched in
the corner
sort of hiding in the shadows
bent over
and he had a piece of scrap metal
in his hands
and he had a flame
and he looked closer he could tell what
was it there was the the piece of metal
there was a like a wick that had been
fashioned a crude Wick that had been
fashioned from a torn uh strip of his
uniform didn't have sufficient clothing
for the for the winter they had just
those threadbare uniforms but he tore a
strip from that uniform and he twisted
it into sort of a makeshift Wick
and
the the the oil the fuel which the wick
was to burn was
a slice of butter
which his father had somehow procured
butter and Auschwitz was worth more than
literally more than money I mean can't
eat money
people were starving
and butter is fat and those of us thank
God who have never experienced
starvation probably don't realize but
a lick of butter could
keep a starving person alive for another
day
so somehow his father had procured that
that slice of butter
and uh so Hugo saw this and he
understood what was going on
that his father was going to light this
this Wick and burn this butter
in this piece of scrap metal
and he screamed out stop
and
I don't think
I don't think any of us who haven't been
in this situation can really relate to
why you screamed up stuff I certainly uh
when I heard the story at first didn't
understand
what what his objections were
maybe you thought that uh
he was afraid
the guards would come in and catch them
which certainly could be deadly
uh it was the first night of Hanukkah
and Hugo realized that his father was
lighting with Hanukkah menorah
that was the scrap metal it was a crude
Menorah and the torn fabric from the
uniform was the wick and the slice of
butter was the oil
and Hugo screamed up stop
now also you might think he he maybe he
objected to the display of religion
maybe that's what bothered him no no
that that wasn't the problem it was very
simple
he could not bear to see
this slice of butter
go to waste
to go up and smoke
when somebody could eat it
and
they could live for another day
and
in a manner that I don't think any of us
who
live thank God who live in this uh
very affluent society where where the
worst problems we have is
we have to buy groceries on a credit
card and we don't know maybe how we'll
pay the credit card bill or
maybe we'll barely be able to pay a
minimum
payment but we're we we don't know what
starvation is we don't know what it's
like to go to bed against your will
without food many many days in a row and
it's a primal it's a primal reaction and
that's what Hugo was experiencing a very
Primal survival impulse stop
you don't do that in Auschwitz you don't
burn butter you eat it
so he screamed out stop
so he says my father turned to me
and he spoke to me and what he said to
me
I will never forget as long as I live he
said to me Hugo
if being an Auschwitz has taught us
anything
it is that a man can live
for many days without food
but he cannot live one minute without
the Light Of Hope
so
Maslow Frankel
Maslow would tell you
that when you've got two cars in the
garage and the kids have their college
accounts
I have their money for their
tuition
and maybe even you have money set aside
for all the kids down payments on their
first house and you're living the
American dream
that's why we came here right for the
American dream
George Carlin said it's called The
American Dream because you got to be
sleeping to believe in it
so
Maslow would say when you've got your
material ducks in a row then we'll talk
about
nice things like Hanukkah candles and
spirituality
but
first things first
and and Franco I think would be on the
side I know I know frankly wrote he
wrote many books
based on this thesis
frankelwood
be on the side of Hugo Green's father
saying
that yes this is true that you can
actually live it's not pleasant but you
can live many days without food you
cannot live one moment without the Light
Of Hope
so it's counter-intuitive to a certain
extent meaning to say
I more easily understand
Maslow than I understand Franco yet if
you have thousands of years of Jewish
history to look at I think we have
abundant proof
that it wasn't material security that
assured our survival it was
when we had light
and wisdom and Clarity and hope and
spirituality and faith and even in the
absence of having our material needs met
we're able to survive and in many cases
even thrive
it's interesting to me just my own
personal commentary that Franco's
writing in Nazi Germany and at the very
same time Maslow's writing in California
he's writing in America and not just
America the West Coast the ultimate
Manifest Destiny like the ultimate
in the American dream
and those are sort of two different
schools of thought
that depending on what age you are what
generation you are I I would say our
grandparents
for me it's my my grandparents you know
what was their thought
what
for as long as they could remember as
long as they could
everything they knew was the old world
it was the old world it was another
hemisphere
and whether your family came from Poland
or from Morocco or from Lithuania or
from Iraq
they didn't even have Iraq back then
Baghdad was a real happening place it
was a Jewish Community for a long time
many centuries or whether your family is
from Yemen or your family is from
Hungary
we spent many many many centuries
millennia
in what we call the old world
and then all of a sudden the
demographics shifted we had this flux of
Jews to the Western Hemisphere mostly to
the United States of America
and and what was the purpose you know
why did the people who came why did the
Jews who came to America come here
mostly they were afraid of getting
killed they were running from pagrums
they were running from persecution
they they wanted freedom
they want a protection under the law and
that's why they came here
and the irony is that many people
saw that as an opportunity
to put material security ahead of
spiritual connection
and I think the results are in the
results have been in for quite a few
decades already what the results were
from that Jewish American experiment
that we found out rather rapidly didn't
take too long
to find out what happens
when we put our material security ahead
of our spiritual connection
and we couldn't we could have predicted
it and I don't judge I don't judge those
who came to America and said I want my
kids to be doctors and lawyers and to be
able to get into country clubs and if
they can't get into the country clubs of
their non-jewish neighbors then we'll
build our own country clubs I get it I
understand where that impulse comes from
but you look today and it's not so many
years
it's tops 100 years this experiment's
going on you see the results of it
so
Sarah's tent Rebecca's tent
the original Jewish homes the original
Jewish Mothers
what were the key elements what were the
key ingredients the Mainstays of their
home of course you got to have a house
a cloud over the tent which represents a
physical place
and blessings in the dough you got to
have what to eat of course
we need to feed our families very
important
but also
uniquely
light
that intangible quality
that gives meaning to the shelter and to
the food
without the light
the shelter and the food lack meaning
when I'm talking about physical light
I'm not talking about photons you know
what the photon said to the desk clerk
at the hotel
the desk clerk of the hotel asked the
photon do you have any luggage he said
no sir I'm traveling light
Photon said that
okay
um I'm talking about spiritual light
Helen Keller said what's worse than
being blind lacking vision
that's the kind of vision I'm talking
about
the ability to see more than that which
our physical senses can appreciate the
ability to appreciate
purpose and meaning
that we're here for a reason that we're
sent by God to this world to accomplish
something special and unique and that
our lives are important on an infinite
scale that's what light means
so yeah light is up there
with
food and shelter
and in fact
if you look at which one is listed first
light
Frankel not Maslow
the Jew from the old country not the Jew
from
America
there was a
a group of
Jewish communal leaders
in
Austria
who came to meet the sixth La Baba
the sixth syllables was
traveling
and he came to a hotel like a fancy
hotel in Vienna and I don't know if
you've ever been to Vienna but Vienna is
uh
it's a very statsy place it's known it's
known for its architecture and
art
so the hotels are are like works of art
the hotels look like museums he was
staying in some Hotel
and this group of uh local Jewish
leaders came to meet him
and
so you have to understand a little bit
about casidis the teachings of the
belsham the belsham lived in Poland
and most of his influence was in Eastern
Europe and uh I mentioned the sixth of
Chabad so Chabad is is
from Belarus from White Russia
which was also Eastern Europe and this
particular incident I'm describing
occurred in Austria which is in Central
Europe where the influence of this was
not uh so strong
so this story took place in the in the
inter-war years in 1930s
at any rate so uh
he uh he was met by this group
of communal leaders Jewish communal
leaders and they asked them a question
they said
meaning the teachings of the Hasidic
masters from the from the balsham to van
down what is this innovate what did it
contribute that was new
that we didn't already have
in Judaism
and you have to understand the
complexity of that question because it's
really I don't know if it was a
deliberate trap but it's a question that
you have to be extremely careful in
answering
and I'll explain to you before I tell
you what the
answered I'll explain to you why that's
such a dangerous question when somebody
asks what did this thing innovate that's
new
to Judaism
you're sort of damned if you do you're
damned if you don't because if you say
well here's what it brought that's new
well hold on a second why are you
bringing things that are new oh we don't
want Innovations we've had this
experience you know a lot of people have
tried to do their new and improved
version of Judaism and we don't really
appreciate that just give us the Coke
Classic and don't mess with the formula
okay
um
those who are around in the early 80s
I'm sure you appreciate that I
understand what that meant means
so
you say well here's what it contributed
that's new if you on the other hand if
you say
well say this didn't add anything that's
new so then the response is oh perfect
then I have no need for it because
you're telling me it doesn't even do
anything it doesn't add anything new
then I have whatever I already have and
that's enough
so you can understand that's a very
difficult question to
to respond to so
the sixth lab of Chabad
says um
above your head
there's an ornamental crown molding
it was a fancy hotel
and uh I think he pointed the lamp like
he tilted the lamp so the light was
shining on it
and he said if you look you'll see
there's a carving of a flower like a
wooden carving of a flower
and they turned around they looked at
and the light was shining at it and they
they saw the carved flower
and he said to them
did you see that
earlier
during our conversation
so they said no we hadn't taken any
notice of it until now
he said and that is what this
contributes to Judaism
just like that carving was there the
entire time we were sitting here and
long before we even entered this room
but you didn't notice it until light was
cast upon it and it was pointed out to
you so too see this as like a light
that allows you to appreciate the depth
and the meaning
in fundamental Jewish belief and
practice that you surely already have
so
we are in a time where thank God we've
been blessed with abundant
material bounty
we are more materially comfortable
than any generation of Jews who have
ever lived if your great-grandparents
saw how you lived they would think that
you are some type of royalty
um
and
that's not a problem that's a wonderful
thing
when mashiach comes very very soon the
Delicacies throughout the rambam says
the Delicacies are going to be matsurium
Ka offer they're going to be as
plentiful as dust
so having all the luxuries
abound that is that is uh that's a good
thing it's a Messianic thing
it's not a problem
where we start to suffer is when we
believe our security
is dependent on those things
and when we start to prioritize
that our material needs have to somehow
be considered before we take care of our
spiritual needs and that has always been
always been disastrous for for the Jews
wherever we've lived whenever
it's always
led to
undesirable outcomes
so
but the response is not is not that you
have to renounce material uh things and
you have to be uh a Luddite and you have
to like like Ted Kaczynski
remember Ted Kaczynski the Unabomber
he hated technology
that's why he went to live in the forest
you ever read his Manifesto
should read it
it's not as crazy as you would want it
to be he's got he makes a few I mean he
was crazy I mean he was crazy but you
would want his you would want it to be
more insane ramblings it actually says a
few coherent things there
um and
he was part of the MK Ultra project so
CIA messed up his brain but that that's
not a joke that's you could go check
that out and I'm sure the YouTube
algorithm is bringing all the people who
are interested in MK Ultra to my channel
now and I don't have more to tell you
about it but we didn't do it
that they sound like so figure out how
to make the Jews involved in it anyways
that because it was not Jewish by the
way
um
we don't need to renounce the physical
uh
progress the material progress
industrialization
the information revolution
we don't have to hide from these things
last week we spoke about the importance
of using these tools and flooding the
information highways with positive
messages spiritual messages
so it's not that we need to go and live
on a Mountaintop and take an oath of
poverty and renounce all physical
comforts
that's not the solution
we live in a time of blessing of bounty
we live in a time where people live
longer thank God than they've ever lived
we're healthier we have more luxuries we
people travel and you know just a
generation ago when people lived in
different area codes they rarely saw
each other we we hop on a plane we fly
we
thank God these are good things these
are good things and we when and we thank
God we're grateful for all these
material blessings but here's the thing
we have to remember something none of
those things give us security none of
those things are important to our lives
when we have them we'll use them we'll
gladly use them and try to use them
responsibly and in meaningful ways but
the one thing that makes it a brexit the
one thing that we need to constantly
prioritize is the light
the meaning
the spirituality the faith that's in our
lives and in in our homes because
without that
everything else is meaningless
you know why you're supposed to light
Shabbos candles
so the simple meaning it says it says in
the code of Jewish law you're supposed
to light Shabbos candles so that you
don't trip on the furniture that's what
it says you don't trip on the front yeah
and it says for the Peace of the home so
you don't trip on the furniture because
if you don't light the candles before
Shabbos you're going to bump into the
furniture and then the husband and wife
are going to start fighting so for show
them bias for peace in the home you have
to light the candles so you don't trip
on your stuff
but there's a deeper explanation first
of all today we have so many lights in
the home what you're really relying on
the few little Flames by the dining room
table to to keep you from tripping on
the ottoman
we have lights on we have lights blazing
in every single room
so practically speaking that's not what
the Shabbos candles are doing for us
anymore it's not like they're protecting
us from tripping on our stuff
but spiritually they they still fulfill
they still fulfill that function
doesn't just mean people getting along
Shalom really means
um
the harmonization of of seeming
opposites
so one
great
perceived conflict or dilemma is the
spiritual and the material
that's what we've been describing
shalom means peace it means to realize
one God made both
and that as long as you have spiritual
light meaning you have a guide you have
the Torah telling you why life is
important and what we're here for then
you can incorporate all the material
blessings God gives us and we can use
them productively
so the light the Shabbos candles turn on
the light take a day where you step away
from the material world you step away
from working you step away from the rat
race you step away from being part of
the world and you just sort of transcend
it all turn on the light the shabbat's
light that means the vision the clarity
the spiritual perspective and it'll give
peace it'll harmonize the seeming
dilemma between material and spiritual
and therefore you won't trip on your
stuff you won't trip on your stuff in
other words you won't be one of these
poor little rich kids who is suffering
because everything that you own is just
destroying your life because it doesn't
have meaning doesn't have meaning so
it's just consuming you you're trying to
consume it and it's consuming you but
when you have the light on when you have
a spiritual reason for living
now you don't trip on your stuff
you look at the things that God has
given you and you perceive
a use a god-given purpose for all of
these material things
whatever he gave us
so
again there's the light there's the food
there's the shelter The Jewish Home
needs all three of these things
but if you take away the light and you
just have the food in the shelter if you
just have physicality even though Maslow
would say well that's what you need to
begin with in order to survive Franco
would say and Hugo Green's father would
say in Jewish history with certain
corroborate it's not going to work out
well for you you're going to end up
tripping on that physical stuff first
get the light figure out what life is
about what we're here for
then open yourself up for God's
blessings for material Bounty and you'll
be able to use it you'll be able to deal
with it gracefully because with the
lights on you'll see the purpose for
everything
that God's given us
and uh ultimately obviously this is most
this is most
uh characteristic of the of the era of
mashiach which should immediately
imminently
be with us where
Godly knowledge will inundate the entire
world the entire world will see the
purpose
and then at the same time it will not
coincidentally it will
coincide with an incredible time of
material bounty
because
then we'll be able to use it all and
we'll be able to
appreciate it all but you start with the
light
then you do the material stuff
then it works out for us
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