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Sod Siach - Rabbi Moshe Sunenshine סוד שיח -הרב משה סאנענשטיין
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Step into a private conversation you were never meant to overhear… In this debut episode of סוד שיח | Secret Conversations, I sit down with Rabbi Moshe Sunshine, Executive Coordinator of TorahMates, a division of Oorah, for a meaningful and candid conversation about connection, inspiration, and the power of Torah relationships. Listen in. 🎙️
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Sunenstein,
tell us where's the best, who are you,
where you from, where did you grow up.
>> Good. Introduce yourself a little bit.
>> Okay.
So,
I grew up in Brooklyn. I came from I was
actually born in Lakewood, New Jersey.
My father was a younger man here many
many many years ago when there was only
300 people in in Nishima and and then
afterwards we moved to Brooklyn and I
grew up in Brooklyn New York and I went
to most of my life. Shima
>> Flabbush
>> in Flatbush and after Kyle I moved to
Cleveland. I was in Cleveland for about
14 years.
>> Oh wow.
>> I was in Kyle over there and then I was
involved with mistas and with
>> it. No, no. There was a co there that uh
we thought, you know, people grow up in
Brooklyn think you can move out of town
and it's going to be quiet and really
and just a smaller version of Brooklyn.
So, it sounds great. So, you get there
and there's no restaurants and nothing's
open and everybody's nice to you and who
wants to live there, right? But the wife
is very nice. It's beautiful place to
live. But we went out there, went to
live there
>> for 14 years. Oh my god.
>> 14 years. I know. It's like we're
trying. I thought we were going in there
just for a few years. All nice if we
ended up there.
>> Wow.
>> I moved back over here.
>> What brought you by?
>> Um,
family things, school things, some
parasa,
but it was it was time. Our our families
were living here. So,
>> excited families.
>> Send the families here and it was it was
time to come back.
>> Okay.
>> Um, so we moved back and I was involved
when I came back.
>> You raised a family over there in
Cleveland. Yeah.
>> How many children do you have?
>> Five children.
>> Five. So yeah, you you got married, you
moved to Cleveland, you lived there for
14 years.
>> 14 years. A Brooklyn first for a few
years and then moved to Cleveland. And
then we moved back here in 2013.
>> So you're a 40 years when you rupt.
>> I was
not exactly.
>> And over there you worked in coil full
day. Full car. of the in the beginning.
>> Okay.
>> And then I was involved with fundraising
for the
and then I was involved with Kiru.
I was a rabbi actually in a small town
in Ohio called Canton Ohio. I was a
rabbi there for 5 years.
>> Oh wow.
>> Orthodox shul
two orthodox people in the shul.
Everybody else parked behind the bushes.
But the schmucka place and and that's
really where where I started like
getting really involved with the idea of
kira of dealing with people expanding.
You grew up in Brooklyn. It's like a
little bit like you walking around with
blinders a little bit and then you get
out in the world and you realize that
there's all kinds of people out there
and you and you have to be with them.
always know it but you have to be then
and find the people that are not like
you and it was a very very growing
experience to be able to do that to go
out and do that. So so that's what it
was that's why I was there and I was
also involved with business and started
getting involved with different
businesses also. So you were a rabbi.
Why am I asking that again? Cuz my
father was before I was born. He was
also a rabbi in Union City for 10 years.
>> Yeah.
>> In Union City to address it. Yeah.
>> And also it was very it was an orthodox
sh
but there like you said there were two
Orthodox people
>> right
>> and the children went to Hebrew day
school. Some of them turned out to be
foolish to mitzvah and giddish families
some of them not. But there was always
the question
my father asked out close
what does he tell a person that comes to
share with the car.
>> Right. Right. What are the major
questions?
>> Major questions. How did you address
that?
>> Yeah we did it.
We did
>> them addressing. You know, we dope the
person.
When they're in shore, they're in shore.
I know when I called up a guy from an
aliyah and his phone rang right middle
of the aliyah and then he uh you know
expressed his disappointment. I'm not
going to tell you how but uh so you
>> what you do is always feel like in Kiru
it's always like this. Either you mess
or you have a great story.
>> Yeah. Once a lawyer had both
you talking about ringing it was
sure I'm about
and I had my phone in my pocket I forgot
it because I was delivering shvita and
my shabas pants already and
after
my phone drizzled
I'm like had nightmares like the food
that would be on and I'm about to
guy that has phones ring like sh
>> so I had
my phone
>> so now you check
>> yeah every time like I check my pockets
make sure that or at least make sure
it's don't viate you know the color
>> exactly
>> right but anyway that's that's like you
start dealing with people and you start
you deal with the thing that's in front
of you you deal with the person that's
in front of you. You deal with their and
and people react to it. People respond
to it. People uh people want to be dealt
with as people. They don't want to have
to defend their whole past and their
whole just want to be able to be listen
these people are coming to show for a
reason. They're not coming for they're
not coming because they nicer show.
They're not coming because it's they're
coming because they want they you know
they have in their memories desiders
going to shore. They have they have
something that's bringing them to there.
They have something that's connecting
them. So we have to find that place that
that's to zoom in on that place.
>> Then every person different.
>> Every person's different. Every person
is different from today till tomorrow.
Every person is even the same person's
different. So you had a taste of Kov had
a taste of care in in Cleveland and and
nearly with measis things like that. Um
and then I was involved I was always
involved peripherilally of different
places. I was involved with fundraising
and things like that and when this
opportunity came up the opportunity to
work for a so it was very intriguing to
me. I told you I didn't want to do
something where I had to do fundraising
again, but I wanted to do something
where where I felt like I was able to
have an impact, make a difference and
and feel that the moist was something
you was making.
>> Actually, let me move the mic to this
side. Oh, I just
perfect.
>> Sure. Maybe I should do this way.
See,
>> it's good you were thinking
beer.
So I sent him my content that I have to
wear shirts now a minimum of 50% of the
time. Yeah from
>> exactly nobody told me just
to warm up.
>> Yeah.
>> So what do you do now for what's your
position?
>> My position is associate to director.
>> Okay. So one of the main one of the main
departments to mates one of the largest
departments of I should say it's total
mates
>> which is
>> and to what is tomates what is
>> tomates is kabusa program where people
that are unaffiliated or people who grew
up without the benefit of the yish
education
will be able to learn with through yan
not with cure experts with with with
friends with a peer but a person who
grew up from or a person who has a from
background able to learn
>> better what what do you learn
>> there's so many things that you learn
really it's
although we do have within URA now
explain this to us it's an important
piece it has to be approved learning to
be part of our program know we have to
approve learning but the what we approve
is is a vast from kish to Mishna to gar
to
to shabas toka all across the board but
it has to be approved learning really
I'll explain to you why it's why why
this is such an important piece of it
what we do init what does is we don't
just say okay we'll put together you do
you learn it together marinize it
doesn't we have uh we have 30
coordinators we have over 7,000
active partnerships
Oh wow.
>> So which means if you do the math
>> huge
>> 14,000 people
between between the sites
>> and we have 30 coordinators that their
entire job fulltime on payroll is doing
phone calls and texts and connect on a
constant basis with 14,000 people to
find out how the learning is going.
How's is the book that they're learning
the right thing? Are they growing in any
way? What can we do to help? How can we
how can we uh think about what part of
their journey is next? How can we
encourage and supports? And that that's
what we do. Our job is to support not
just to make sure that not just to make
the but to support the learning and to
support the volunteers that are giving
the time to do it.
>> So I I'm I'm I'm obviously was born from
>> Yeah. And I grew up in the system and
like I had somebody ask me you're busy
you started work for URA as what about
our there's so much work to do in the
community. to the obvious answer is
because I got a check from URA and it's
like there's the police department, fire
department and you can't say I don't
want to spy you can't say I don't want
fire every department and every
department has an organization
>> yes
>> how do you know when not to push too
much mean say I see that or is a very on
top of their game, very followup
statistics, analytics, the whole nine
yards.
When does some When do you realize that,
hey, I made it too much? Could turn
people off. I could take them off. Like,
>> so a person story
>> or is it just me asking cuz I'm coming
from this side versus a person that's
unaffiliated appreciates it.
>> The question is a great question.
All right, let me get this.
Many many many years ago I had an
interview within
>> from a
>> from a he interviewed me for a position
that uh he didn't take me and he was
right. I was too young in an experience
at the time but it was worth it. I flew
in I was living in Cleveland. I flew to
New York to have this interview. It was
worth every minute of it and it was a
fascinating if you know anything about
him fascinating person. But at the end
of the interview I told him I want to
ask a question. I told him, "I heard of
myself on you many years ago. I wonder
if it's true." So, all right. Tell you
my son. So,
I said, "Okay, your head." Somebody
asked you if you ever pushed somebody
too hard and turned them off
and you told them hundreds of times. So
the man asked you if it off we pushed
his eye off the d his is your problem
now itself hundreds he said because I
turned on thousands
don't it's called triage we do the best
we can't and if you're going to be too
scared we're going to turn somebody off
because you're pushing too hard we're
pushing that of love and we try the best
and we try to learn our lessons and we
try to every day try to learn from our
mistakes of the past we always try to be
better but we can't be scared from the
question. It's a great question. We
can't be scared of the question because
otherwise we will be pow. We won't do
anything. Nobody will do anything that's
scared of the
high risk high reward. There is a high
risk. And can I tell you that nobody
ever said anything that that a another
person feel felt bled from it? I can't
tell you that. But what I could tell you
is that we're looking at thousands and
thousands of that are coming close at
the
every day, every week, every month.
You're hearing stories and we're seeing
them and we have events where we get to
meet them in person and we watch them
grow and we have people that are calling
them. We do thousands of calls a week
thousands and so we're on top of it and
if we notice that something's off if we
notice that a mentor may be pushing too
hard or something we'll get on top of
it. We have k of experts in our
coordinators are k experts and we ask
the right shas and we asked it from the
right people we have
who went to really shila
we go and we'll bring it to him we'll
ask him can I say we never make a
mistake that would that would be crazy
to say
>> in the milla it says after the whole
says why not because if you I don't have
school it's impossible to satisfy any
man. So it's uh perspective you know
>> so we we don't back down we do take but
that's why we have ordinance and that's
why we're making these phone calls so
that we can monitor as things are
happening they have we have we have
thousands of people both on the Kira
site and on the mentor side on the
volunteer site that are both in touch
with us so if there's something going on
right one of them they'll call us
they'll say I can't get through or I'm
concerned about this so that and and we
have deploy and we have medicine all the
We're we're dealing with specifics for
people's lives.
>> This obviously this is run by programs
and um
>> Yeah. Yeah. So we have
>> it's a very sophisticated system. They
built their own system. They were using
an offtheshelf that was like sort of
retrofitted into what we do. And the
past two years maybe more even but
they've been building a we have our own
very robust very uh we see this uh
um programming that that's so foolish as
they say.
>> Yeah.
>> There's a lot of things you do. I just
for me it's a it's very funny that I'm
working with ura.
>> Yeah.
>> Because from me personally, I don't like
accountability. I don't I don't enjoy
authority. Um, this the typical symptoms
of somebody that grew up in a in a
strong catch if you want.
>> No, I'm good.
>> Yeah.
>> And I refuse straight.
>> Good. Good.
>> Just don't let it out. Tell me what's on
your mind. Nobody's listening.
>> Nobody's listening now.
>> Right. But it isn't right. But then and
then so you you feel like it's a culture
clash for you.
>> No. So no. So for me, I had to I had
somebody call me on like I said there so
many white. So I told them that my
content is in Yiddish for that specific
reason. I could I could communicate in
English. My vocabulary is not that bad.
I can brush up a little bit. If I use it
more, it gets better. The voice is the
same in English. The charisma, the fine
is the same in English.
And I could have many many more
followers on Instagram or on YouTube,
>> but
my content is my way is my in my mission
>> and I want to give it to the
nobody's actually talking to them and
they won't listen to an English language
um podcast or it doesn't talk to them
the same way as a regular machine talk
to them either.
So where was I going? That right there.
>> You tell me about your
>> Oh, so so with Bura, yeah, it's an
adjustment. It's an adjustment for you
because UA is the total opposite. It's a
very structured organization, very like
analytical feedback, followups, and
strings attached as well.
>> Except I will tell you, I'll jump in on
that. I'll tell you that one of the
things that was attractive to me I told
you when I went to interview I
interviewed for one position
they got to know me I didn't think you'd
be better at this position wouldn't that
be and one of the one of the strength of
URA is that they really look to bring
out
the personality of each person that they
hire that means they follow a a system
of management system one of the main
pieces of management system is making
sure that you have the right person in
in the right seat.
That means you have somebody who's
great. If he doesn't fit in, doesn't
mean he doesn't fit in the organization.
It means he doesn't get in that seat. I
mean, as a coordinator to make his
follow-ups every day to do his his
amount of things, it's not going to be
good. But he's a great guy. We want him.
Where else can we find him? And and
there's so many different there's so
many different is a huge organization.
We have a camp zone and tuition and this
kind of cure that we're doing. There's
so many different areas where a person
can find themselves. So I'm not saying
there's a job for everybody, but they
will you'll find that when you work in
the dura, they will work to find to
bring out your personality and what
makes you special. They're not going to
squash a major quality for success in an
organization.
>> Yeah.
>> The first thing that comes to mind is
football. You know, you have these
coaches,
they're knowing how to put the players
in the position to win,
>> right? Even the players who thought of
themselves I'm a good quarterback then
generally you're a good receiver and
they'll they right they'll find their
their talent post for certain players.
So really it's I think it's a very very
special thing but they'll do the
>> tour program the camps
>> this camp
>> which is a big part of the program
>> right
>> there's the car for kids
>> cars for kids is not part of the queue
of organization it's
>> it's a financial
>> it's it's the right it's what helps
bring in the money to to support it all
>> and
>> and we also we have tuition department
which is really not tuition drama. It's
really Jewish education where the goal
of it, the mission is to work with kids
that are in families, families of
children that have the children kids
that are in public schools and to get
them to switch and we'll work with them.
So there's a person on staff for
Marshall whose entire job is just to
deal with issues that people have with
switching. Maybe a kid has an issue in a
school and they don't feel like they
want to go back to a jur school because
maybe they need special needs or
whatever the case is where a person on
staff full-time just to deal with those
issues. And then we have the part of the
tuition department that's uh that's
probably the bulk of of the office of
the tuition department is giving out
millions of dollars a year to help fund
people. What's what's a person's biggest
uh hesitation to move from public school
to a Jewish school? Is it a rapid
education plus money? So we help pay for
thousands of kids.
>> You know, I'm thinking about it and
and we spoke about it before about Ura
versus Cro.
>> Yeah.
>> It's not so much
as why are they doing it? It's like why
in there another
for the
>> Yeah. this this
>> that's that's the because another thing
I told every person is that
don't get me wrong that's why
>> I'm passionate for
it's
um
So
all times
it's a person who is children right
so there's levels
took
and I spoke to he's a kid but uh he's
not a kid and we were talking about the
infant sudoka
we're going off or topic for a second
and I that
today's
fundraisers if there's an Almuna with
five Symano
you could raise three $4 million and
rightfully so. However,
if the guy is just struggling, has a job
and he just he needs something to help
him over, you got to have a hard contact
finding a sponsor for that.
I met another guy and he's into he
wanted uh he wanted me to talk about um
helping people in certain ways like
organizational skills, budgeting and
these types of things and
boy Russia brings an example.
What means boy? You should don't let
them fall all the way and they help him.
Prevent them from falling. And Rashid
brings the medish or mush to a hamar
that's about to fall. Rash says that one
person could adjust the load and and put
everything back in place. Once the kamar
falls with his load, five people are not
going to be able to to lift him.
So this whole copy of Seduka's charities
today
is very much an emotional an emotional
story,
>> right?
>> Um therefore it's it's much easier to
fund raise let's say for Uru or for much
more sensational when you see Yeah. the
differences and
>> Right. Right. Yeah. Listen again this is
this so many causes there's so many
beats and so many things out there
marketing and presenting it the right
way I don't think I call marketing
marketing has a has a has a sound to it
that's like like it's fake no it's not
fake you just need to get the attention
there's so many important things that
everybody wants you have a a family with
eight nine kids they all need attention
so this kid will spill this and this kid
will there all do something to get
attention. It doesn't mean that they
don't need that. They do need attention.
Everybody needs attention. You have to
be able to market it the right way. But
>> there was about four.
>> There's a difference. There's a
difference between letting people know
about something,
>> right?
>> Which is a form of marketing and
manipulative type of marketing where if
you don't have it, you're less,
>> right?
>> Like they had the advertisement. I'm not
going to mention the company because
um
like boy fire with this company setting
off the whole thing and first there was
a ad for like boy fire without it you
like a fist of it little fire and the
next page four guys of marshmallows.
>> Yeah. And the stands the branches and
the stand for the fire and a tent for
this. This is blah blah.
So, and it bothers me.
>> Yeah.
>> And obviously that's why I spoke about
it. And guess what? It bothers a lot of
people and that's why we're so upset.
>> This was a big hit, this one.
>> Yeah. It was probably my most viral
content today.
>> You know, they say now there's a phrase
that they use. He said the quiet out
loud.
>> Yeah,
>> that's what it is. You know, usually we
try to beat Sunday and not send out.
There's a reason why this is.
>> But sometimes you have to say it.
There's an elephant here.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. No one's going to talk about it.
The emperor has no clothes. Nobody's
going to talk about Nobody didn't
mention this.
>> I I don't want this episode to be too
long.
>> Yeah.
>> And
>> you cut it up anyway.
>> Yeah. I
we're here before
and it's it's man Martin to sign when we
got the to
life it's a way of life it's not it's
not a book it's not that you acquire
it's a lifestyle
um and was I give and nobody's going to
neglect the right hand because he's
focused on the left hand or vice versa
and rules one body and in Colorado
and therefore it's important the
organizational order is important very
important
is a person obviously he could buy for
$5 a ticket at the auction a regular
person he's not a career If he's not a
multi-millionaire, he still wants to do
something in this field,
how could he make an impact on the
smallest level possible?
>> Yeah. So, like you said, buy a ticket.
You can buy a ticket. Yeah.
>> And you should support support these
things.
>> Volunteer to be a tomate.
>> You know that we have at any given time
we can have several hundred yin that are
waiting to learn with somebody. You
don't have to be a cure of experts. You
don't have to be a rabbi. You don't have
to be a reif. You don't have to be a
dying. You have to be a person with a
person who's willing to give a half hour
a week. You know how many half hours
there are in a week? 300 and something
one half hour a week. Give it to
somebody else. Let's give it to some of
you out there was dying to learn
this care a little bit learning care a
little bit of and not only to hear the
but to connect you know what it feels
like and I'm not even asking you to do
something I'm asking you to be to get
something because the mentors that are
spending the time with their Torah mates
they spend a half hour a week and they
become we call them mentors because they
really become a mentor to them when a
yid calls you up and he asks you for
advice on how to move forward in his
yiddish kite And he and he tells you,
"Listen, my wife told me that she's
learning with her to mate for three
years now. She thinks this week she's
starting to shabas." You know what that
does to you? You think your shabas is
that same shabas that you had yesterday
last week?
>> Wow.
>> It changes your life. It chang. So what
are we asking for? You could support for
sure. You should help support
your time. Give of yourself.
You give yourself of your that's give
give your and you know you could shine
you can give your own personality you
would learn with somebody who with you
and they would they would enjoy your
personality and they would enjoy what
you are teaching them you don't have to
be somebody else
there is so much you can do
>> and you don't have to fake it because
you have a lot of knowledge even though
you think that you don't have it
>> you'll be shocked and you know you know
what people love the most where they ask
you question and you say that's such a
good question. I don't know the answer.
I have to ask my dog and they love it.
You think like I need to know the
answer. You don't have to know the
answer. First of all, like you said, you
know, a long point that you think you
know,
they want to see I always the most
attractive thing in the world is all
fantasy
schmeck of a fanty person. That's all
you need to be. You don't have to fake
enough that they make yours. All right.
I was in my 20s, mid20s
and I was going through my my journey
and I didn't feel nothing.
>> Yeah. I felt nothing. I was I had
depression at the time obviously
financial the bias the whole nine yards
and I wanted to feel something. So I
went to a rage.
>> Yeah.
>> Cuz I'm I'm looking for some from Spark
for something. Yeah.
>> And I told him I don't feel wanted. So I
feel zero. I like I I don't feel I don't
feel like Lville. So he asked me. So I
told him I explained to him with the
tadas how
disassociated and disconnected I so
asked him do you make a before you eat?
So I said of course I make a before I
eat. The same way I put salt. I make a
because otherwise it just doesn't feel
right. But yeah,
>> not because I want to make a brulet. I'm
thanking Hashem for the food that I'm
about to eat and I'm acknowledging that
everything comes from him. It was just
like,
>> yeah, I am like that toothpick
afterwards like a diet coke. I make a
buffet. But
>> he started laughing and he told me,
"You think you're unaffiliated? Come in
tomorrow to my office. I'll show you
what unaffiliated is." Point being is if
you think you don't have what to offer,
Mosha says you have a lot to offer. And
I'll add something else.
If you think that you are giving away
the amount that that you receive is
unimaginable, the satisfaction, the
growth when you give somebody else.
>> Yeah, it's so true. We have we people
report because we're doing all these
phone calls because we have a
relationship with all these different
people. We get to see it in heel climb.
We get to see the
>> There's a funny question that comes to
mind.
>> Funny question.
>> Yeah. Somebody asked the question.
>> I put it on the spot. What kind of
questions have people asked? There was
all kinds of questions.
>> I have to think about Milic flash a
question or something. police if I ask
buddy.
>> Uh I had we went to Swan Lake in the
summer my parents.
>> Yeah,
>> it's actually a very funny story cuz the
guy said it with the folks
and we shot
which was also orthodox.
>> Yeah.
>> But
the car's album.
So there was this guy had big hair and
he was like 50 year old and he was
learning army already like part of his
>> but he had zero idea what's going on and
there was a whole talk that we're making
an af
and he says the af restricts you could
only carry within the boundary
>> that you don't make it
>> yeah carry anywhere
>> yeah carry anywhere but if you make an
IR you could only carry within the
boundary I'll tell you it's funny. I'll
tell you about this story recently on on
video also. But just remember I just
remind me of it. This guy went to what?
And he went he was by a retreat by a
retreat and
and he's he's there and he's listening
to everything. It's really growing as he
goes to the store. He has to go listen.
Everything sounds so good.
level.
He want who's banish level. Okay. So
yeah, people have
have no idea how many people and where
people's gaps are in the and what people
know, what people don't know.
And when people know know more than you
more than they think they know and you
bring it out they love to share the
you know people run around hiding the
all time but as soon as you start
bringing it out the proudest person in
the world that talk about their
grandmother and they remember the and
they remember the like people want to
connect with these guys
times up we spent valuable time with
we slapped him away from his daily
grind. He has a ton of meetings of
follow-ups waiting for him. Thanks for
joining us.
That's good. It's good. You'll see how
it is. You'll cut it up. I'll tell you
great story. You mention
so I'll tell you a great story. A guy
friend of this. He said he had a friend
and the guy he wants to take on
something.
I don't know if it was kipper or
whatever it was mechanic some kind. And
he said he want say see what's he do.
See he read this thing about saying you
know what I'm gonna start small
one a day my first coffee the money I'm
going to say slowly with that's my big
for the year one a
Hashem
volcano.
It's all melt.
because like it's so ingrained. It's so
ingrained that we don't even know what
we're doing anymore. But that's what it
is. The finally
>> a good medicine. Wow. Thanks for leaving
me off with another one. That was a good
one. Wow.
>> Yeah. Very good. I'll come up on him.