Shoneh Halachos: Rav Chaim's Seforim Explored (Part 6)

[Music] and welcome back rabbi dr elizabeth it's an honor to have you join us again for another episode on the swarm of rokham kanayevsky already a couple episodes ago we transitioned into rohaim's halakhas forum some interesting ones tattoos grasshoppers all kinds of fascinating background and information it's interesting i just saw a picture actually refrains matseva and the way they described him was the baal derek so i'm sure there's a story behind that which maybe we'll find that at some point that you see he coined himself after that safer which is a halacha safer so i don't know if that means that in a certain sense had a certain kashivo is that safer that's something that was interesting to me so today we're going to discuss a safer call china and to be honest it's a safer that i'm familiar with but i don't think at least myself and you know from the people that i know it's not something that's a sort of a go-to safer when you have a shyla on hiluka shabbos maybe we'll find out why maybe after listening to this podcast maybe it will become uh safer that people will look into more so yes how are you today maybe that's a good way to start just tell us what the shaina halakas is what is i know it's on what's it made up of and how is it put together okay so we'll begin like this as i said in the pa so first of all in 1967 where khan kanewski sets out to put out the safer calls of china alohas eventually completes it many years later it's three volumes and it covers all of chocolate as in the past we've said he in the shower of the safer he usually gives you crucial information about it and an introduction it gives you even more crucial information why he's setting out the right said safe so first in the shower he he says it's it's um a tam sit of all the succumb of the mishna brewer including materials found in the beer halacha shahrazim but also it has on collected from all different khalakkum of khazanesh khabib swarm of he also says that topics um it has sucked him of the stuff that relates to shiurim so that goes according to the sack of the khasanesh and he will it's um that's what he writes in the hagdom sorry that's in the shock doma he goes a little he goes much more in depth it's approximately almost two pages and over the year in this dhamma he writes first about the shiva's about which we've already mentioned previously how the different influences on the kazanish were of sorry the differences such as the kazanish his father and others which and the they were all very very much so he right away he brings you down a few lines about this and that even quoting brought down by the priesthood sir call of duty so you see it's very important thing for for them now then he says the following sentence now this keep note this is in the 1960s save from mission israel then he brings down a famous letter of the khasanesh where the hazards talks about the mission this letter is quoted all the time where the refers to the the basis these are the great paiskim and um he even uses zelos and it's me peace on hajjun balushka okay then he says about the actual safer that the mishna brewer is what's going to happen is it's you're looking immediately you need to know an answer right now what to do it's sometimes very hard there could be different places where he talks about it um it could be a character in somewhere buried and that's why he's making it accessible so in order to do this he took and someone someone actually are very complicated he made it he condensed it just to give you without the the the whole reasonings of the of the of the mishra's mascaras especially he sums them up very very because at the same time he also brings you down many different halachus that were in different places um now he the key words over here is it's written like the of the there's definitely similarities maybe not out of life but there's definitely some similarities what does he do when there's a macholicus between the two so he says he brings down both opinions because again can ask is what she said and we'll get back to explaining this he's not a pasik he says i'm not writing this aloha this is a convenience safer to help one find what to do anyway he says i had many horrors and i'm learning the mishna and i did not include them pretty much although we'll see a little bit more about that also anyway he says that he heard that there was a talmud in the him that was also um put out some type of kids on the mission bureau but it seems the work got lost anyway bottom line is the this is the trials of the safer um of that you have the mission of rura in a condensed manner and and we'll see and the same thing he writes is the same thing with everyone knows about the hazard she's written very hard it's very very hard you really have to be holding in the sugiyo um and here he takes out the mice or the bottom line the mascaras of the fazanish with giving you the makar so you could go look up and see the exact reasoning um behind the kazanisha's suction and conclusions but that so that's what makes the safer extremely extremely helpful okay now this is just a um um as this is how kaikanievsky um writes it out so i just like to elaborate a little bit on these on these aspects that he said as i said already a bunch of times in the previous um editions of these presentations there was basically four godzilla that had tremendous impact on that's what i keep on saying and here we see two of them mamish having tremendous impact the mishna brewer and the hasanesh so let's first start with the mishna brewer so the i already mentioned that the most important work that i think that was written about time is the work written by his oldest son rebelli was to see the time live by him learn with him he knew him very well he had many conversations with him and he himself was a tremendous tremendous talmud eventually he becomes rav and radha and i even brought in to help assist with the running of the shiva rat of ram but he's extremely hush of a person and you could see from reading the book how authentic it is and how um how much he was so into his father and how he was his own person also at the at the end of the day now what's fascinating for us for this particular thing is his tons of information and how the mishna brewer was written number one he's he discusses how um already early on had a conversation with the talmud with a specific and this talmud was showing him that arkham does not have a proper work written on it there's plenty of shy lists that need someone to write a work to deal with it it seems kind um tried to get some other good island to put out the work he was not successful so in the end he decides to do it himself somewhere around the early eighteen eighties the office time begins and he plugs away at this project over 28 years now he did the halftime son robles says that he did have other projects that he was working on he was busy with plenty of other things but told him many times he never went a day without thinking about this project in some level there were plenty of times they just sat and plugged away on specific suggest um basically in the 18 in the in 1884 i believe the first volume comes out and in 1907 he completes it and he makes a seam okay how long did this uh how long did he spend on certain suggest so the so interesting we have he describes um for example certain times he would spend weeks and sometimes even months for example phil and similar where he wrote major con traceum on the how the issues of the allah phase are written for hellcast fillin where he goes into all depths and how the tourists of the oceans and until today he says when he wrote this book which was in the late 30s for 50 years this became the key work for safran to use um and himself in his own introduction to the mishebrous spells out that these sumanam are very hard okay but it wasn't only the somalian that he spent a long time a lot a lot of other saman he spent a lot of time on um and elsewhere the which we'll get back to in in the pre in future in future episodes but basically he went through every sugi from scratch checking up all the resharing that he was able to find that crinum and to sort it out to process it to understand where everyone was coming from um and he putting the way he writes never been called the simon it was crazy architecture how he put it all together okay um and that's what he and and that's how he describes it and and we it will play out a little later on i'm in a in some future episodes hashem more about how the sky and writes his work now interestingly we have a letter where the um which was printed in yeshua in um volume 33 where the talks a little bit about this is in the 1920s about the acceptance of a safe already so this is already um almost 20 years after he's printed um the last volumes already a bunch of so the first volume is sort of speak on in the world for a while he says that um for example um was into it um asked him on the mission when he shabbas came out to get it and it he clearly from from this letter he was very it seemed like he was proud in a way that it was being used [Music] um and this was important and and this is what himself writes about the safer which is interesting and there's plenty of shyness that we could have we're not going to go through all the shows that exist out there but just one is marshall ref cook writes in a habit that he gave about him he had a close relationship with him which is even a safer written about documenting all their all the different things that they had in the relationship he says so even if cook writes such a powerful russian in the 1930s that allah is like in all areas okay now of course learning mr brewer in general is very important for him uh for the for khair kanewski is even his stypler the stipler his father and kind igor sir numerous times mentions for eight sister for learning he says so we see even by them by his father also there was this great significance of learning the mission uh moving on so even though the khasanesh says it's not exactly clear what that language exactly means in his work talks about this but the point over here is not if he agrees with him or not it's not if the kazanisha agrees with the mishna brewer about everything because the world the way halacha works is that that's never going to happen it's how he deals with the mishna brewer throughout his safer time and time again hundreds and hundreds of times have his metia with him with unbelievable respect and that and that and that's really what the faznich is saying um that's really behind it why he was so um into the safer he carefully learned through the safer checking through it yes he argues on him but this is what was so uh significant for and why he held that he's the that why the hazard held that the mishna brewer is that the he's the price even though and yet he's arguing on it because then because as a someone once pointed i heard this many times that one person once pointed out to me if you look in the mishna bhura and the and you have now mr bruce that let's say have the fastness suck and you'll see numerous times he argues on him so what's going on he said so the answer is it doesn't mean that you can argue this holds you could argue if you're coming from the right places but he has an unbelievable um he's an unbelievable hebrew in the world of allah and we see this from how he's using him so much so that is number one what was so significant and why he put um for the that's number one number two is the fazeness so we said that the casual issue has a we already mentioned numerous times his uncle plays a major role in in him and we'll we'll get back to it even more but the kazanish's work start coming out in the 1911 numerous numerous works it's incredible it hasn't showed on color tarakula thousands of pages of material and thousands of numerous letters have come to light and halacha and all different things constantly but there's one issue and that is that when you learn the safer as though as your friend can ask you writes it's very hard to understand you have to mamish be holding intense in the suggest so how does one take out from it so this was one of the main goals of here to bring down the hazardous to the world of the hamadah so so now rakhine kenneth was not the first person who did this there was mushroom which will maybe eventually get to um who did this especially in areas of israel and as you should as rabbishu imbal an article of his on the uh and she points out that which is written a little earlier than the shenanigans it's written in it's first published the first volume is published in um in 1965 he also brings many success so he also is doing it but not on the full-fledged scale that the shayna does so these are the two um main so here we see in this work the heroes sort of speak of of the of rokhan kamiyevsky and why he feels that he has to do this just understand one last point before we move on is just understand how people in that time looked at the khasanesh there's a beautiful quote it's famous already from the 3dh writing in the 19th in the 1957 which is a little after the material hazard she says um he had such unbelievable shot he ran from popo and he basically yoshifa sorry sorry um [Music] this is powerful words coming from the swedish who was around who knew many of the great islam personally and this is what he says about the hassan anyway bottom line is that it's not only in blaine brock that they had this tremendous kashiva's for razen ish and this was the goal of rokhan kanyevsky over here in the safer to bring it out to bring it down for the masses okay fascinating i just want to mention i've mentioned in the past for any comments and suggestions or requests for any of these articles some of the articles that you mentioned please email eliezerbroth gmail.com you could email me as well suedem oyu.org for any comments and suggestions somebody wants to sponsor an episode hey how do you like that never mentioned that one before um they could also reach out suede m o u dot org um okay so you want to move on to the actual safer you know primes farm have come out some previous ones in different editions at different times um people have written perusian on some of khaim's farm so what do we have regarding shaina halakhas so interesting is just like all others farming this has come out in multiple multiple editions with tons of additions in the back eventually an addition came out where he included many of those additions from the back he put it in to the right places so it makes it a little difficult sometimes when you're looking for a piece so say look in the tikkunion and those decorum might have been put into a certain place already but anyway it's been printed multiple times something like eight or ten times um that's one piece of information about it anoth another piece of information is that the um today like everything else there's numerous purusham written on the shaina lachas numerous editions one of them is from wrote this with someone which we're about to discuss so even this person's son is now working on a parish on the shoulder to explain different aspects of the shine office okay one other point is what about it being printed in english so the archus rabbenu in darkest urbana which we recorded already last time so it brings down that that kind of it seems someone asked for hank he asked you should they put the shiny lockers into english and the stiple already told them no why not because safer requires tremendous tremendous um um you have to be extremely extremely careful here is which is in general interesting insight in in translating works so much so that the earlier piece in the same article surveinu is what about mishnah brewer translating it it seems they asked the stipler about that and he said no because only the mishnah has this but to translate it it's not and it's very dangerous okay um that's what the orchestra knew writes okay fine um uh one biblical this is just for bibliographical information is that like every other like many other halachus farms sometimes when they come out there's some type of form of opposition already the rama when he wrote his safer tyrus so his caruso from yeshiva the great brother of the morale requiem wrote a hebrew against the terrorist and it's it's a fascinating keyboard available today where he argues in method of halacha on the on the um rama and on many different succulents so it's a common thing there's actually a way it works is if you know that people are against your hebrew then a lot of times you know that that must be it's a good thing that you're doing um it's a general it's a general expression not even in the general world not only jewish smart now so already so there was a great guggul in the embankment his name was ruby hill zilber he put out a country systematically arguing very very sharp very sharp against this work and he says just to quote it um uh just a quote online he says these people they the the goal was to make a condensed version of the mishnburn but um first of all he takes issue and this is interesting because it's coming from brene brack there's many other ice creams so who said um clown but besides for that that that's a general thing that is bothered by that that yes there's the mission bureau yesterday but there's a whole world of aloha that seems to be forgotten but besides for that is that he shows various claims and mistakes now hill zilber was a tremendous person he was a tremendous expert in halacha he spent he was he was a one of the great talmudim of yeshiva's partners he's the son of gaza nibiru and it seems from where they'll see able to see he had great karate on this work that he wrote when he in in the 60s and so much so that his his family put out two massive volumes about him he wrote manny's farm eight 809's farm has been collected beer halacha in all areas of um based on hundreds of sources but the family after he died they put out a whole safer about him and different materials and they don't even mention this keyboard it's clear that he he he seemed to have had great harata um about this safer okay but as i said this is not con it's not uncommon others foreign also this is what happens when it comes out okay one last prop before we jump into it is this safer as it says in the shire is written with a caboosa was also a talmud amongst others with other hazardous she's a few years older with other democratic and they learned through worldly very carefully just to show you how rouhanievsky um um was so max of this per this this cabrusa of his so he writes there's a famous thing uh people say until today it's always quoted that there's not going to be bombs are not going to be be um benebrach is not going to be affected the gulf war they used to quote it so where does this come from so interestingly enough it seems it's this refturchen heard this from the hazenish and he says um he now general writing swarm is not so common in the previous series that we had on on the podcast we had a series about machine matters i mentioned then that there were some swarms that are written with very few um one such safer was daddaris and his twin brother wrote a statement which is on klullin when they were 13 if anyone wants to have automatic depression and felicia sadas about the way some people knew khal tarakula at that young age open up to say for shevas akhen but otherwise it's actually a beautiful safer one of my favorites farm and the shalom him and his brother-in-law wrote numerous farm until they had a falling out which i dealt with in the machine machine lots of controversy wrote numerous farm including the great magni bayern on archim and others the safer we discussed earlier on the podcast about the yeast leashes is also a unique safer written about um with and not only that it comes out that is a interesting hadith a contemporary of the manchester united he writes that it is there's a conscious lust of divers because so if uh um even if havre's ride is safer so fast as the cover works even if it's the part that that he didn't write it's really the cabrus okay anyway this is just the technical aspects of the safer um um to discuss right um right now it's very interesting you mentioned that so i was just i was in the shul i don't have a shiny locust at my house and i was in shul i opened up the hakadama and one of the names jumped out on me he brings over here from aurora ezra basil who at that time he says case rabbi or sydney australia who went over most of the safer and was hey our camera artist then i remembered it's interesting i had a very close friend um his name is jonty heitner he lives in muncie and he made a bris pretty recently and he named his son after this revisal and his father mr matian heightener who's actually a supporter of ours he gave diversity caring because he grew up in cindy australia and this year ezra basil was a rav there and then when he was in arizona later on he just take him around to the deadlines it seems like whoever this subjhamer zabraza was maybe you recognize the name he was someone who was already a great person back in the 60s where prime was using to go over the safer and it actually says the game of light safer so it seems like this is what my friend mentioned to me that he got people in this kahila in sydney australia to give money to be mighty the safer or just the interesting anecdote okay so if you want to jump who did he send to look over the safer in the 60s rashtiman this is before anyone heard to the extent of simon that we hear of today exactly exactly how do you i didn't even ask you last time you mentioned italian natal a few times it seems like he's someone that you have uh affinity towards hisham we it could be we'll get up to it in in in later episodes we'll have to have him have to have a series on bernie brackadelum that no one ever heard of i i i don't know i don't know too much about the woman iraq but through daliano in recent years became of interest so i also looked a little bit into him but i don't definitely don't know too much about her but enough to deal with him and rakhine that we could talk about okay fine so let's jump into the actual safer itself the meter potatoes as you like to say of the safer after you got all the technical aspects out of the way okay so here we're just going to talk to um two nakudas about this about this one is um in a hespen as i mentioned already that there's many many different i spade them out there on an audio written up barack heim there's a hesitant it says on it it's from doveland though looking into it it's not the landau from rene brock we have that has been written up and uh and a video of it is on youtube and this is not what i'm about to quote is not found there there's a difference landau it turns out it's not him either i don't know who said this has been but whoever this person is he writes that when when one learns uh mishna brewer many times there's a certain protein that's very hard um to get the mascana you you need to know what's going on in a particular mission of brewer and the shaina halacha says the address okay and then this person writes a piece of information that there's a safer [Music] for this for this particular thing now what's he referring to is that the safer mccoy kai dish is a set of swarm and halacha from a ravisha arari this rameshwara wrote numerous um what's famous today all these qutims farm on the i'm tight and some of them are like a thousand pages already each every few years he updates them and he has all the different succumb of many different russian it's more in the mizrahi world very very popular i recently saw they updated all the volumes they were for sale in the mizrahi world now one of the benefits of the safers it has sucking from older from the dialogue especially wherever viktor nevinson the great talmud of aksham is one of our great still alive today so with victor nevinso it seems he brings down that evansell told him that uh that his rabbi the uh who would look at times in the shaina alachus but he wasn't sure if what the bottom line is with a particular mission of brewer a friend of mine um a friend of mine who i we constantly discuss rabbi viktor nevinsel his name is urbanish ginsburg we we like to discuss different uh things that we hear about there or see in the different tires of victor and it seems that victor has said this numerous times that that that had a very close relationship with rohingyas which we will get to in a series of of letters that they that he had with the responses with him but he says that his rabbi rosh used to for this purpose now i don't think that it means that would always run and he used it every single time means is that there were times and the was also very into the mission of there were times that he wasn't sure and the and being that he spent learned through the safe as evident from looking at the shenanigans hundreds of times and he knew it by the sifkatans as we'll see so he so he so he also you so also used it for that now what's significant about this thing to say in in in in a sentence is today the mishna brewer there's more farm on the mission there's more and more being written on the mission it's being learned everywhere there's that there's your mission rule but before the there's mission has a million volumes there's english mission brewers there's mr bruce with all types of purusha actually there's a mission worth the never salazars [Music] also is very important when because today we're in a time where everyone's learning with a fine tooth comb it's very very helpful to have this resource and use it it's actually available on hebrew books so this is one nakuda in the kashivas and the hell in what we could use again possibly by using the shaina you mentioned flaming zalman using the shaina lache to a certain extent to pascan figure out the bottom line last episode already i was i was uh being a spall from the fact that zalman used to eat olives with olive oil he said oh now they're safer came out you know now he's going to stop so and and brought down the curves and argued on them so and there was a mccarthy was doing they started to safer and he personally was stopping so you see that he held you know to a certain extent was a certain way and certainly you know he wanted to at least have a right have a look you know what i'm saying understood for sure yeah yeah i agree now i now just and now i would like to just be messing with one last practice that that deals with um with that brings out this whole thing of what the kashiva's of the shaina lahs but also put some perspective the mishna brewer in the eyes of and general some other aspects there is his files we mentioned already that the khasanesh says said something something to the effect it's a gaza now the in recent recent years i mentioned that there's so many sparring on the mission i i'm not even up to date with how many perusan there are this country sim uh on the mission bureau but in recent years there's been a few people that have been trying to map out the mishna brewer with tremendous um yada in the mishima there's a series of articles written in the insurance of trevitz this is wrote a massive 125 page article about the mystery where he deals with different aspects and although both of these articles lack in say there but they're filled with so much fascinating information um also and through this one could see that there that the mission of brew when you learn mishamura it's not that there's one stereo there's two theories there's many many possible theories that need to be clarified and that's a tool that the shenandoah could help now in general just because we find styrus in the mishnah brewer doesn't mean one should get so nervous because theorists are always common many swarms have stereos we actually gave a um a podcast about him specifically one of the world they wrote was to deal with being miyasha various theorists in the knights of caleb and shahana from virus but there's an interesting quote and i still remember the first time i saw this and and anytime comes up from rav shmuel vital in the name of his father and this is about spirits in the he says his fouls that replace of cairo when he wrote his safer he worked on it for many many years but and he had to make many maduros and sometimes he might have forgotten when he wrote in one simmon to a different simmon and there could be styrus and and he says this is all a quote until many years for many years this this piece was only available through how mayor benio printed this in his book on the basis but it's printed in the truth which recently has come out and and he writes this piece of writes from his father about to basically says i want to why am i writing this in the beginning of my dumb am i safer so that you should not pass in straight from the because there's times that there's there could be steros until you check and learn the suggest very very carefully um so that's a kindly someone who knew the base yosef saying about the basis so it's possible it could be worthless theorists so just because the mission of it doesn't take away from the unbelievable khashevas of the safer and it doesn't even take away from this gaza's aspect possibly whatever that means but but that just because there are steers now uh was asked it seems on himself about if this theorist people have the um people today have been spending before he was nafter even learning his hiburum very very beyond this one guy that wrote a contrast where he every time rohingya talks about a topic somewhere else and he doesn't bring it in in this on this let's say he's writing a piece and time of the craw but he also talks about indira hamuna and he doesn't reference it so this guy puts where kanganevsky talks about it in darakamuna on time of the crowd and he did it through all his farm there's people that have unbelievable keys so this guy asked for kain kalievsky about the steers that he finds he says panka softimagenero case not only that rokhan kanewski writes the game so so stirus should not get one nervous that that's a general um the kuda and akdama over here and as i said this this with imbala also shows many cases of the hazard but rocking is writing that specifically about hazard in his thing okay but there's a stira in the mishna brewer that seems this is a and as i said after you read these articles so it's really not even fear but this is just to bring out a the khashevas of the so in general more talking and to to clarify even more what we said previously about the mission of okay so the the stero that's that's been as a lot has been spoken about is the following sphere when you open up so it talks about cooking for a hilah of shayesh so one of the ways how it's done is you have to have you might have a guide to it and the reason why um there's a there might be a problem is some type of concept called bashir that was scared that he might do he might cook for you more what i mean say more sorry to clarify is even a healthy person could a healthy person eat for what was there was a hat there for the sick person what about a healthy person eating it so we say the healthy person cannot eat from it on chops even though this this meat was cooked that's number one what about um okay so that's about shabbos a healthy person eating food that was cooked by hector by a as we're saying now the ramayanas and specifically that it was a that a guy cooked it what about even a healthy person can eat the if there's leftover meat from this from this what the guy cooked he could eat it what about that there's bishop over here says the shaft because it was cooked beheader you don't have to wait there's a concept in this that you have to wait a certain amount of time so here you could eat it right away you don't have to wait whatever long time it takes to cook it and furthermore you know you don't have to worry about that it was cooked by a guy so there's a few tremendous hadoushim in this radish and this is the shah who's bringing this down the mugging of ram over here in for a piece of throw out this piece of information this is the he had the shacks of the shah on the side and this is one of those such pieces max shackle already says the shah says like this also when you're there okay and this is no so there's no problem of bishop and you you could eat it right away so there's a few hadoop that are happening over here in this allah following what happens um the mishna brewer over here the mr bruce says master shabbos you could eat it right away he brings down this thing and then and then he says in parentheses hagra fine now i'm not going to discuss every single aspect of this with all the tyros that i've written about it as i as i said it is a lot specifically even about this particular sugya and this theorists not only with the mishna buru which we're going to see what he says elsewhere but just theories with other paiskim about it um [Music] but this was a shiloh that was very nageya the shia lame the hospital in lemberg this is before even the mr brewer wrote this but this these type of suggests of game cooking and what's going to be with the parts after shabbos there was a hectare for the guy to cook it was very nageya in the hospital in in love he says where there's many hailem talk of ashland the shabbos you have to cook from the shabbos and if master shabbos you're gonna have to do um fix the kalin and stuff like that it's gonna be a great uh hefsid and it was very very common so this so this shiloh maybe today might not be as relevant but it was very relevant in the times of the mishna brewer even and as they said a little earlier the mashem gives that background now what about in a few sumanim leaders says the mishnah umash the meat that was the same type of meat it's the same mahabharata talking about the same thing what about that meat that's a shabbos that in simmons brought down that you could eat it what just happened so it means is that on chavez there was a special hectare after shabbos that had to go out the window now what about the caleb that's another deal but we see a open blatant hector mustira between the mishna brewer in shinhafress we're here he's saying that it's awesome for the kaila to eat it even the after shabbos whereas it's mutter for the latina okay now this is it's unclear in in about it in both places there's even sterois in the graph there's a grover here is the way the missionary brings it down in in syrian chinese then it's muther what about the gra if you look at the gra in yardaya it sounds like he holds like the mission brewer over here in shinhafress okay now i'm not trying to i'm i'm just well ad khan this is basically the information that one needs to know of this that there's a stereo in between the mushroom and it's a pretty much open stirrer between two samantha but it's not just the steven mitchell borough it's a stereo other pisces and syrian possibility and others so how does one look approach this question here we have a mission brewing is a steroid so there's different answers so the i in the beginning i began is that the time son wrote a book about his father and here he says i'm going to tell you people asked why there's a stira in the mishna brewer between these he says i'm going to let you in on some inside information was not the only person who wrote the mishna brewer who else wrote it me that's what he says so much so that you're going to find the funds theory that there's going to be steeras in the mission of burrow what's an example if you look at mishna burussim where he says one way and shin says another way the reason is very simple was the sky in pascane where shin shin and so there's in if you learn the sugiyah there's enough paiskim that hold each way so i went one way i learned from the resident came with one conclusion my father learned another way and he reached another conclusion so here we have it that we that he's answering this theorem that there's too much abram and this is a famous terence for many questions they'll they'll say people ask questions for a thai swiss and say no certain different of the tysons okay so this is a open parents for the question the opening of pandora's backs because what you just mentioned now is is the subject of controversy right did the machine really not see every part of the safer and was not approved by his father i'm sure you could talk about this for a long time this subject itself correct so i'm being very careful right now we're going to talk and fine-tune the the approach of and as it comes out in this about it that's what we're coming to talk about so this is number this is his approach now it's interesting is like this the khufitskayam was assisted not only by her blade he was assisted by his son-in-laws and he was assisted by the russia shiva of radha and ramayananski also assisted him in certain parts of the bureau i'm going to see later on even that that other tell me the system of parts so this is thera and here we have it the ayesha for this theory now comes out in the 1960s and originally he also deals with this thera and he says um he says it's a stirrer and he brings down this kafitzkaim seems they made us think about it they said how could he write such a thing and then and he took it out later on in the later auditions and he shortens it he doesn't say that son says that i wrote pardon i will part to be astronaut says i am in that safer okay but but we see that already there were some back um there were some um problem problems that came as you said it opens up my term i always like to call it can of worms when you say such a thing okay but from in the neighborhood they don't go with this they don't like this at all just to quote um one such person there's a safer dashi huda former of shapiro he says if you open up the mishna brewer it says in the beginning of safer that i wrote it's pasha that it's ms so even if people assisted him it doesn't mean that he it means is that he was the final say of the mishnah so even if let's say simon this was written by a blade but the khabib khan looked over everything looked over everything very carefully and he felt one way to write what he still left it as a stereo and so now the question is why could how why would he do that is there a possibility to understand that now what's interesting is that even though roble is saying that my father wrote parts of mission brew in iraq and we know that other even the stipeler brings down that caleb was written by parts written by some other people is that the other swarm he was assisted let's say he was assisted by his son of ram he makes a big emphasis in his low twenties and he helped his father with working on the he says this that my son helped me and i'm including some of his torah because there's no other kingdom from him he didn't have kids he didn't get mad so too and i have said when you open up the hamas he said right away after that he says that i was assisted on my safe rama said by so why wouldn't he say this by the mission according to her blame so the answer is this is why blame is true it was done by the blade but the but this the the approach i quoted from this service at least they were very into is that the final say was we look at the cover okay now there's another but we're going to get back to the nebraska in one in one minute but is another way how to approach this that there won't be a stirrer in this mishna brewer and in general this also gives us an insight not only in that um we're so into the missionary but there's some other people over internationally that person this is for us in america i'm not america right now but for i look at myself as an american a terrible thing to say but rebiaka kaminetsky in numerous places talks about he he was very into the mission of and he talks about the bishop and he says it's already printed um in the dhamma to them about commissioner and he says that because the triumph so one could be medic in everything he says like a russian it's a medical media and not only that he says that he heard from his brother lebowitz when he learned with him in the title of zabatka that who learned with him he learned this this great david liberts learned including the mishna and they would handle every single ice how people could possibly understand it to think of all the ukraine about this so this what kaminsky says not only because number one he says that and it's not only printed in them it's also now in the to be familiarly active on all this that there's a approach that one could be medic in everything that the khafichaim said and he has a special skus that one could be madaik and everything that he says because he was so medactic in shmir salah it was kilometer connected that he has such a thing so now what about stirus if he could bring the dike and everything what does that have to do with theorists so here too revyat kaminsky talks about it in a different place it seems he has a letter about it and parts were printed so first does iraq kaminsky know about the of about the son of the habit and what he says he definitely does and in one place he writes this is in in tough pay dollar he says that the the the son of time says this is a way to answer theorists because i wrote part and my father will park but he says he does it sounds like he doesn't like that answer and what does he say he says like this when you learn mr brew very carefully you'll see that the um that sometimes the mishna brewer has two three parts as everyone knows there's the mishna brewer then there's the bear allah seen the shahad cn is what the the makhair is for the mission bureau but sometimes in the actual mission of brewer he'll also say macarius so say a sack whatever it is two lines and then i'll write in parentheses this is a graph for example which is what he does over here says kaminsky you could check in mr buru whenever he does that he doesn't ask him like that he hold that that's a hush of a shita it's a villain which for the mission was extremely important but this particular village he doesn't pass him but he brings it down because it's a useful sheet that one could rely on but he himself doesn't hold like that what does he hold like and and and in shimon in simmons where he doesn't have a parenthesis in the actual mishna brewer he or he refers you to character and thierry poskins the other way so this is a uh so now it could be this is a great conference of kamletsky his anako rabbi kaminsky wrote article maria where he shows many different mysteries this theorist possibly if you look at them it could be miyu valpitas however comes from another this retrievers who's also from the mushbach and he shows that even though it's an amazing cloud and it's true especially in this case it doesn't always work out um now again the truth is it's not so smart because the misha brewer is a keyboard packed with thousands of of of sources and information so it's possible something could be a stereo so you don't have to come on to that the sun wrote it we could go with the gishah the approach of blame rock which is that even though the sun did write it but the time gave the approval on it and agreed with it okay this is a second approach for this topic to conclude this section is how does your kind konefski look at it and over here says he basically talks about it and he also comes up with an answer how to answer the two places he says one place is talking about where it was cooked for kaioshi and and that's why the is in cement that it's going to be muther after shabbos um because that is an extra hectare so to speak whereas is is not as good as a hatter so to speak and therefore after shabbos it's not going to be this is where kaikaniski says this in a few words he doesn't make a whole asic out of it but if you look at both places shannon you'll see he's taking away all the diff the questions of this theorem and he does this many other times rather imbala in his article about the shaina lawrence shows that this is a common thing that he does now interestingly i quote already in the first episode there's a there's a fellow um that who had a lot to do with rakhine kanewski and there's many videos with him and he put out all different countries and with uh withdrawing one of the contrib his name is tiger one of the country symbols he deals with all different aspects of the hazard so he asked he asked rohan kalievsky he wrote a safer and in the safer he deals with all different types of things about hankins farm and different questions that he also asked like everyone else asked for cranking this question so he asked him also about this thera and he says he and he brings and here what's what i find cute about this is normally we'll use through hanging writing a one word answer a two word answer so this guy he gets three four five eight lines on this topic what kind [Applause] also himself says this parents and then he says it was sophisticated i gave another terrorist so we see we see here just so subtle he's not making a big deal about it but anyone who knows the background there's a whole this is a whole sugar it's a famous sugar and people talk about stevias and have its kind this is the example because of this book of the prophet's time son but as i said retrievers points that there's many such theories you'll sit and learn the shneishan it helps with many of these theorists to understand small little things and show that it's not it's not stupid obviously this is going with that which we all began is that he looks at and he writes clearly in the dhamma based on the kazanish that the it's just that this at the end of the day it's kind of work now just to conclude this um this episode is that that in in the khazalish family the father even said that the missionary was written it could only have been written with hakaidesh not only that ramanasha klein interesting from a completely different world also said the same thing about the mishna brewer and it's known that there were many hebrew that was written with special but here we have um this is the approach i'm saying is the in the play bracket this is what i'm i'm saying is that hopefully people will start using the shinalakas more and more at least in america and they're too sure they do but it's a it's a great tool because when you learn the mission move very very carefully um um different things could come up and the shenanigans is a tool to help one um understand the mission brewers wow fascinating so what you're saying is that even if you share locus is not going to be your go-to saver to pasca shiloh but she only has a tool to limit certainly very very very useful um again who you're mentioning the service trivia and he's uh kavanaugh yeah yeah so he has a series of three articles written published in the late in some volumes of the yeshua in the past few years and there was another fellow um also we spent time in iraq i think he's from karen safe from yeshua imbal they both spend tons of time they're not the only ones there's someone went and took the article of of this retrieve it's and wrote a safer which i could send if someone sends an email called claudia mishna brew of 50 pages of many other aspects not only the the there's the podcast is about so we're trying to stay through and tangents but not tangents in the tangents in the tangent so we should prove its own story and we'll get back to some other parts of the shebrook that tied to kaikanivsky but this is the kuda for for um with the lockers and these are some of the materials out there to help on with the mushroom and understand it okay and it's almost an hour and i know that rebel ezra has more to talk about in the shenanigans we have to save that for part two okay thank you very much have a wonderful day