Shmueli Ungar Jewish Hasidic Singer When Music Meets Bitcoin

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I start my Motzei Shabbos with music. I wake up to music. I go to sleep with music. And I would say that 51% of it is Jewish. And I would say a good uh 20% of it is the man in the seat right here. Oh. And uh you you have brought a amazing amazing energy and inspiration to me and my life, people around me. That's nice. And uh we could talk about it on the podcast, which we will very soon. But I want to really thank you for coming here. It means a lot to me. Um you couldn't say no. You have your own podcast. You know what it's like. Yes. So uh you know, with that being said, how are you? I'm boruch Hashem boruch Hashem I'm growing and learning every day. That's how I am, boruch Hashem. My kids just turned six. What is the birthday? What is today? March 20 March 29 is the You celebrate both? My wife celebrates both. This is one of the arguments we have. English birthday? Yeah, she likes to celebrate. But I told her we she has to buy presents. to pick one. You can't do both. Right, that's what I say. Yeah. Because we're the one earning the money and you know, funding all this. I personally celebrate my birthday the whole month. From the beginning of the month to the end of the month, it's it's a birthday month for me. I hear. And I'm very into it and my friends all know, so You for real? Yeah, I'm I'm serious. Yeah. Does it go based on your My family, not just me. My my Hold on, does it go based on your sign or the month? Meaning the The whole month. My birthday is November, so from November 1 to November 31st, it is my birthday every day. Yes. No, I hear. So that like it's it's in you. It's like it's more like it's spiritual thing. History Month, you know, there's Pride Month. There's Oshi Birthday Month. I have a birthday as well. And your whole family practices for everybody in the family. Very much so. And we recognize each other's birthdays. We call it out. We make a big deal about it. When I grew up, my parents made a big deal about our birthdays. And it carried on and I do it for my kids as well. Like I make a big deal about their birthdays. But you choose one. English. English birthday. Yeah, I go by English birthday. But you choose the whole month, you say. Yeah, I'm saying but that day is the cream of the crop. That day The cherry on top. is when we do the the heavy hitting celebrating. Like what? The cake in the face is what you practice? No, no no cake in the face. Well. That's my practice. I do that a lot, the cake in the face. It's always fun. It's funny that you said that your parents, you know, where you grew up and what you did it shapes you. I happen to know that you and I spoke before and you speak about your mother and her music and her love for music. The second you said parents and that it it clicked to me and I was like, tell us about who you are, where you came from. When did you start singing? When did you be When did you know that you had the talent? When did the world recognize that you had the talent? One question that I know it's a lot. It's a lot of trying to That's the world I want to go through. Where you Where you came from, where you are today, where you're going. Starting of course is when when did you recognize Let's go back to the beginning. Don't go painfully through every like month of your life. Like you know, go through the important milestones. We've had Go through the milestones of your life. I guess so. So I would say my singing voice is from my mother. She knew how to sing and and she sang. She grew up in Australia in Chabad. She wasn't Chassidish. And she would sing on the radio and she would sing in school. And my father couldn't sing. He liked to sing. But he couldn't sing. Anyway, so I take it from my mother. And you asked one of your questions is when I knew or how I knew It's It's a good question because as a kid, how do you know if you can sing? I I I liked to sing. I was always, you know, on the knocking like this and singing "Oy Yishma." And it was in camp in Kitov. We went to camp for the first time. Sixth grade for people You're going to have to by the way Are you ready to see where this is going? I know but cuz I did watch your podcast a little bit for And the numbers are off. You can't Not only do you speak your whole podcast in Yiddish, which is fascinating to me. Why is it fascinating? I speak Yiddish. I speak Yiddish. Why is it fascinating? You speak very quickly. Even for Yiddish. You speak Yiddish? You think so? You know when you hear another language and you're like, "Wow, it sounds so fast." They're speaking Israeli. I actually fluent Yiddish and you speak very quickly. Interesting. So you're going to throw around a lot of words today, I imagine. Like Kitov or this So just Sixth grade, yeah. But try you know, keep keep it plain and simple for our our But I don't think sixth grade is Kitov. What's the number? How old are you in sixth grade? And I'll tell you if it's So 11 would be Kitah Zion. You're like a year off. I think. so. You guys are bar mitzvah when you come of age. Tes. We get bar mitzvah in Kitah Tes. That's not by us. When does When does elementary school end? So what is elementary school? Eighth grade. Eight years. 13. You start from Kitah Aleph. After After 13. By 14 you go in Yeshiva Kitah But what How many What Kitah is that? Tes nine. Tes. So you go. You're a year behind. We go to eight. We go to eight. So your nine is eight. Your eight is our seven. not going to say who's slower. No, I We'll let the audience decide. you why. I don't think they have uh kindergarten. I think they go straight to first grade. We start the nursery. Some people go to kindergarten. Do There's kindergarten too. I guess maybe for school. You don't have both? No, there's no That's what they don't have. They don't have pre-1A. Pre-1A. Yeah. We have pre-1A and kindergarten. Uh we have kindergarten, nursery, and Kitah Aleph. We're also learning the ABCs probably earlier. No? I'm saying Aleph Bet? My kids don't know the ABCs. They know it from from the books my mother my my wife At what point would they learn ABC? How does it work? I think we started in Kitah Dalet, which is There you go. Fourth grade. Only in fourth grade you start learning Aleph 5:00 or third grade one hour of English. Not cool. That's very late to start teaching the kids, you know, ABCs. I mean, they do live in America. This is the uh number one language in the hide what Don't worry about it. apologize. So Kitah I took this way of course. Go ahead. But this is good. This is This is how we learn. This is how we widen our whatever the word Our knowledge. Yeah. Yeah. I My English is not so good as my Yiddish. Your English is fine, but it's I was fortunate because my mother grew up in Australia, but ABCs we started in Kitah Dalet, but I my mother spoke English at home. That's why my English is better. she played music also? Um no, she didn't play music. Yeah. What kind of music would she listen to? Things that I would know? Both Jewish and non-Jewish? I guess so, yeah. Yeah. Maybe the 51/49 ratio. You play any instruments? No, I don't. So you only sing. Okay. I only sing, yeah. Only vocal. were in elementary school, yeah. Go ahead. Yeah. And in Kitov and we were in camp. And this one of the malams them there was always singing in camp. "A bonai shel oilam l'mei machen a bait." And the kids answer "A bait v'lmei machen." You know this one? No. But I don't know how to Hold on. Try it on Oshi again. Try it again. No, no, I don't know how to No, I don't know that well. I heard But you heard the song. It's a whole conversation with Levi Yitzchok of Berditchev wrote it. It's a conversation between man and God that I want to give God all my kapores avoin not my chatoim avoinos and peshoim. Yeah, and you give me um Forgiveness. Forgiveness and parnusa. So this is kind of song and and there's a song uh Vos v'lmei machen of them said in you. And this is the So there's all kinds of songs that there is a child standing up and the kids sing it's like it goes And he chose me, this malamud. He was a sing He he know knows how to sing. His father is a composer. And I guess he he knew I can sing and he put me up there. And then after camp finished, it was the end of the summer, there was the Yomim Noraim came up and there's the there's the choir. And we have a kids choir and adult choir. So who goes gets to go to the kids choir? So there is an audition. And there's a rabbi sitting there and people come in. The kids come in. They sing They sing a song and this Rabbi Malamud was told me Shmili David, go go I I wasn't going to audition because my father didn't have it in the big shul. He had a small shul. He My my father just chilled his way. Um so I I wasn't going to audition. And he told me go go audition. I said, "All right. I don't know if I'm going to make it. I don't know if my father's going to let me go, but sure." And I stand and I come into the room and he says, "Sing a song." I remember I sang "Oy vey asheim yoidi b'fi." You know, this kind of song. As what I did, it might make it No, it's an I like one one of the kids. I don't think there was anything, but I got into the Yomim Noraim. And then more things came like there was a CM All the kids I sang over there. The Yishar Eima roof came to Monroe. So I was one of the solos. And then my sister got married. She became engaged. She was 18. I was 17. My grandfather tells me Um Shmili David, I want you to sing at the chasan. I was a bochur in Yeshiva. And uh and he was He he proud of me and he told me I'm going to sing. I told him, "I don't know if I'm comfortable doing the whole wedding by myself. I think it At that point you never sang in front of a big crowd. I have. I but not professionally. I did by the CM when we did the CM was like maybe 500 people that the fathers and the grandfathers was a whole big thing get the test finishing 100 blood. It was a big CM and we had a So that was Wow, by the way. That we didn't do. 100 blood in get the test. Okay, go ahead. But that's that's very cool. Never to let the start to miss. So at the wedding you're giving out they're giving you the opportunity No but yeah, he wants me but I told my grandfather I'm not going to take the whole wedding. This is way too big. But what I will do I will sing a few songs. I will start you know feeling it out. So they hired the singer his name was Shmuel Ber Weber. And he was doing you know Shmuel Ber Weber? Is he related to the Ber Weber. Barry Weber. Yeah, it was 2008. Shmuel Ber Weber. Shmuel Ber We know him as Barry Weber. Weber Shmuel Ber Weber. Anyway, so he was the official singer and Yossi Eidlis was the music and my grandfather said you're going to sing a few songs. I said Zaidy I need a mic I need my own stuff. He says, "You're all right how much is it going to cost?" And he bought me a mic and I said Zaidy but you know if I'm going to do this we need to go to voice lessons. No problem going to do voice lessons. I must say he believed in me. He said Shmuel Duvid we'll do like this. I will pay for everything you need. We will pay for the voice lessons. Eventually I needed a cordless mic because that was the cool thing. I did it I used it for five weddings then I I went back to the wire because it's just more powerful it's better. Also with a cordless mic with a wireless mic they would call me into the crowd to dance with the chosson and that's a lot of work. of pressure. If I have a wire I have a wire. You got to stay in your spot. Don't pull me up. You'll have a wire till you're 100. Yeah, so so so and It's very strategic. I don't Very strategic. So he got me the wireless and then he got me with the wire and then we printed business cards. And I showed him the prototype and he says but it's only has your phone number. What if you you're sleeping you can't answer the phone? You put my number too. I will be the secondary. You put two numbers down. And he paid for everything and he tells me all the income is 50/50. Uh, we know the type by the way. Yeah, it's my grandfather. He was a great guy. He was a great guy. So giving but you got to do it with me. That's right. Yeah. Yeah, our friends but the Shviger Shvuger does that. He always he asked me if some Shmad Shnoder comes and asks me Shmily how much should I give? And I said this guy give him $2,000. And he says, "I'll give 1,000 and you give 1,000." You know? By the way Shmily I've heard this story before. Where where did I hear Have you said this story before? I don't know it's my story. I always I tell the truth. Yeah, this is his life story. I don't know where but I feel like I've heard this from you. Maybe you said it somewhere this story but okay. Maybe when the um Yankev Langer You were on a podcast a year ago or something. More than a year ago. Before I started my podcast yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I must have heard it on a on a podcast I think. Maybe there. But go ahead go ahead continue. Not the way this is being told. No, this is it's all different. Everybody has their own vibe and their own energy. grandfather said 50/50 split on the income forever? Yes. Oh, we didn't decide that this is about how we're starting. He wants to see the contract already. And there was no contract. My grandfather was the sweetest guy. Um so I'm a bochur in Yeshiva I'm not driving. Who's going to I will drive you he says. I will drive you to jobs. Yes. He's very supportive this guy. Yes, he was. Lucky you. I was lucky. Okay. And so that's how I started a friend Also I did my sister's wedding I did it two songs by the by the meal. So if you followed closely which two songs did I sing? Meher ushi. You don't remember? me on the spot like that. I did from Carlebach ushi He was shiftainu kavod rishonim. You don't know it? You'll learn it's a nice song. And then I did Omar Omar Hakadosh Baruchu from Avraham I like that song. So these two songs I did and then later by the chosson like but but with by the finished I did the some Yerushalayim song. And I started going to voice lessons and I loved it. He gave me 100 bucks and I would go. The lesson was 70 the bus that take me there was like $5 and I went to buy myself something from Monsey barbecue for like $20. It worked out every week Wednesday I would go I was beautiful. And until a friend of his Shimy Shimy ever comes to me was a Vizhnitzer bochur and by the Vizhnitzer guys they don't have much singers they have music and they're not into it. And he's before getting married he said Shmuel Duvid I'll tell you my father says that if you want to come sing he he doesn't want to pay he doesn't have the money but if you want you can come sing at my chossona. And all right sure I'll come. I told my grandfather. You got your first gig. Yes, my first gig and and I'm I'm home I'm taking a shower and my grandfather's calling me he's waiting for me outside where are you? Because I was running late and I came into the car and my the first thing my grandfather said he says if you're going to be in this business you should remember that being on time is very important. You can't start the wedding without the singer. That's true. You got to make sure you're responsible. Yes, yes. Und die mesader kiddushin you also can't start. And the mesader kiddushins don't have so much responsibilities as the singers. I mean I see that as chossonim I always be on time and they're always running an hour late because of this and that and you can't Right the eight and the rabbis the people Whatever so on the singer they can have ta'anos but the rabbis the Well they're not paying the rabbis you Oh they're paying the rabbis. Really? Of course they're paying the rabbis. I don't know about that. Of course they I agree. You had mazel there you I don't know which mazel there but any rebbe you should name you have any um title by my Rabinovich and they will tell you the rabbis get paid when they make chossona and you make chossona. or people just People give however they much they can but the rabbis if they would have two weddings two of their constituents making chossona and he can only go to go to the one that pays them. Sufic. Okay. And it's not for them. There's nothing wrong with that by the way. I know it's nothing wrong with them. I'm I'm not saying anything derogatory. Rabbis have to make a living Yeah, it's 100% but ta'anos you can have on a singer because it's a gashmius thing but the rabbis doing avodas hakodesh but many times I'm always on time. I have to leave my children I can't be with them I got to run because the chuppah is 7:00 and the chuppah doesn't start until 8:15. So I'm just sitting there. So I'm just uh thinking about it. Anyway so they they all get paid and they should get paid. So he tells me you got to be on time. So we go to the chosson and the chosson is in Ateres Chana. And we're going down the road and I'm not really sure where Ateres Chana is. We got to make a left on the 45 or we got to make a left on Viola. You know I'm coming down what's Where are you living at the time? in Monroe. Oh, so you're not familiar with Monsey. Not really. Yeah. So I'm coming down from from Airmont. What's that main road maybe not Grand 59? No not 59. North Main Street Road? No no no not North Main Street? I crossed over the I crossed over Viola. Maybe Grand Monsey College Road? Maybe College yeah. I'm going down College and I know I got to go straight down and make a left either on the 45 which is the right one. And I made a mistake I went I told my grandfather make a left over here. So we were a little bit off until we found Chana. I thought that was also took time. You didn't have like Waze or something? I didn't have a No, we didn't have any smartphone. I was a bochur there I had no phone years ago was this? This was in 2000 and Oh it's a good question. How many years ago approximately? It's a good question. You were 17 at the time? 15 years ago. I was I was I was 18. You're 18 okay. Yeah. So your first Back that was MapQuest days. Yeah yeah exactly. You printed out you printed out a MapQuest paper. That kids today have no idea what that means. Yeah. But we had to actually put in work to get from point A to point B. We had to plan plan it out we had to map it out in advance. Yes, for sure. And you had to always have the risk of you were going to get lost. Yeah. You had to get prepared for that and you had to get out of your car go to ask someone for like the locals to see if they could guide you and a lot of times they gave you the wrong direction and you got even more lost and that was an adventure in itself. Or you could be a real man like Shmily is right now in his car and he knows that he has to get he doesn't need a map. And make a mistake. No no no no go ahead. Our kids will never know. They will never know. So it was 2010 there was no no no Waze. panicking because this is your first gig panicking yeah yes definitely. I'm getting to the hall and what do you know I had prepared a paper with all the songs that you know to start or you Shmily what are you doing next? So I I I forgot my paper at home. Oh no. Mazel tov. And so I'm going and I'm setting up my microphone. Mendy Steckle you know Mendy Steckle he's a one-man band he's the musician there. He was very nice he just took it easy. It was like a takana chossona so he didn't take it too serious he didn't need to know the latest stuff. He was just playing Oh what Shmuel Duvid doing a very nice yeah go and put a number one. Do whatever you do. I'm just thinking that I'm hearing it now for the first time you went to a takana wedding to be at your first gig. It made sense come sing come try right. Now it's making sense yeah. The guy told from the beginning he wasn't going to pay you. Yeah now I get it. Now I understand. It's like a charity that you were doing and you used it as an opportunity for to feel it out for sure. Yeah yeah of course. You have to put put in the mileage to start. And and my friends were there right because this is a friend's wedding so the all the friends from Yeshiva Shmuel Duvid is going to sing they only use the Shmuel You must have been very nervous. I was but I had to sing. I was excited. Excited is a better word. Yeah, auf gehaytet. Um and the and that feeling even now before a concert I have that but as soon as I start singing it goes away it's like the build up the excitement. Right once you start within the first few minutes naturally your body takes over and you just do your thing. Yes, I lose myself in it and I'm just enjoying it. So my friends are there they're all looking they're excited and I don't have my list and I start singing and this is another lesson. So this is a Vizhnitzer chossona. Takana's you know simple people and I start singing. I did Lo Yisa Am Lo Yisa like Mordechai from MBD. You don't know any songs. Anyway. I by the way I I know MBD well. I know the song I just like I'm I'm You just it's not important. I'm not a musical person like I'm not very into Michael is a singer. I'm surprised Michael that You're like you're like one for seven so far. I'm keeping track of how many songs you know. I'm not impressed. If I were to stop him to every song that I liked that he I wanted him to sing we'd be here all day. Okay. I know the songs. But you're into music even more than me. Like you listen to music all the I I listen to music. It's work. I will vouch for that. He's very Yeah, my wife also. There's people who are more into it. I have people, you know, part of that, you know, Yeah. So you're into it. So it's your thing. Very nice. Anyway, so I and I finished that set and I had a magid sheet come over to me. Another lesson that I always remembered and he says, Schmule, I don't want to say how he said it, but he says one of the important things when you're going to start singing is not just um how to sing, but what to sing. Mhm. He says, "Look at the audience over here. They don't know the song. They don't care for it. And some of them even like feeling bitter. Like who's this guy singing Goyisha melody?" Know your audience. Exactly. Know your surroundings. Be aware what's happening. So I learned that. Anyway, the chasuna comes around and the chussen comes in and we start O Yiddishe Mama and oh, I had a friend, Vineberg and who Vineberg is, he quickly wrote down 15-20 songs, Ki Hir Ba Yisuki Ato Melech Malchei Hamlachim Mevini Malkani. Here, just in case have it. It was very nice of him. And I did the whole wedding and and Mordechai Scheiner was there, Reb Chaim Leibish Rottenberg and he has his own avoida when some Goyisha songs come uh start singing, he he comes to the singer and he says, "Stop singing this song." He makes like a Simcha Zusman Kahan. Rottenberg? Reb Chaim Leibish. Was your I was in his yeshiva. This is his yeshiva, Frischay. Frischay Road? Frischay. This is the yeshiva. You know that's where I grew up. I grew up in Frischay. I went to his shul for many many many years. So maybe you remember me. a close relationship with him for a long time. Okay. And it's like you just triggered something for me. Like especially that you just said that he has a thing against these so I know exactly what you mean. I know how against. He has an avoida. Yeah, yeah. His whole demeanor changes and he starts to he has a he's a very charismatic person. I love him. I have a lot of hakoras hatov. Tremendous character this guy. Personality-wise, he gets a 10 out of 10 this guy. He's amazing. He really is. And he knows how to put up a show. He knows how to cater to the audience. Exactly. And uh when like things don't go in a way that he doesn't like, doesn't appreciate, he makes a scene about it but in a very classy mixes it up. classy way. He gets his message across. Oh, yes, he does. Yeah. For the record, I've been to the apple throwing. Have you? Unbelievable. I highly recommend every person to He's got an arm. Yeah, he's good. He throws like this. This is how he throws. But he gets that he he puts velocity. He has some serious torque behind his throws. It's amazing. He has energy. He dances. He puts a real avoida into it. So Yeah. So he's coming, the rebbe is coming, the chussen is from his yeshiva and I'm also like making sure that I know his songs what he likes and and I guess I did one thing that he didn't like and it was a matzev. Just anyway. And I started after that chasuna, remember, I started running after Mendy Steckel. Give me the recording. I need the recording. I want to listen to the recording even probably more than the chussen. You want to hear how it sounds, how you performed. Yeah. How it came out. Want that validation. I wanted to see Did I suck or was I awesome? Yeah, exactly because I really didn't know. You you would think Now I finished the wedding, I know it was a 10, it was a 100. Well, I know already. The audience wouldn't know because they don't see me every night, but I would know to compare if it was a great night, it was a fantastic night. So but at that time I didn't even know. I didn't know nothing. I just wanted to hear the recording. And he came to the yeshiva on 33 Frischay, dropped me off the CD and I ran, I put it into my CD player and I started listening to it. And and Yiddish they say Simchas Zusman Kahan and oy vey I just How do we say that in in English? How would you say so in English? I don't know. Uh the roof came down. It's like Oh. There's a real way to say it. Devastation you're saying? Yes. I devastation, yeah. I was devastated. I'm not going to say the real expression, you know, uh Simchas Zusman I can um um in translation is it became black for my eye. Right. Right. Right. Everything turned dark and I'm listening and I don't even know what the problem is, but what I do know is this is no good. Mhm. And and and and I listen, I listen, I say, "Oh, where is good? Oh, where is something? What happens? What happens?" Anyway, the problem was pitch. Pitch is not off tune completely. Let me try to make like if I sing O Yiddishe Mama Ve'ora Yiyedu Ve'ichitzos Yisroel Oyim, I'm just changing keys. So this is like off tune I would say. But if you sing O Yiddishe Mama Ve'ora Yiyedu Ve'ichitzos Yisroel Oyim, you're you're in tune, but your pitch either a little bit sharp or a little bit flat. Right. And the music Yeah, it's not consistent. It's not solid. And the music is so loud in these by the weddings that you can barely hear yourself. I didn't have a inner monitor then. I maybe had a monitor on the floor. Um and I couldn't hear myself and I was just it's called pitchy. Not being in perfect pitch. And nobody can teach you perfect pitch. I for I'm baruch Hashem way better in pitch unless the music is very loud, then I can lose it. But by the meal and by the chuppah, I will always be in perfect pitch because you just hear yourself. If you're good singer, you can sing. But if you can't hear, you can't do anything. But what I did learn is experience, you know, like train my ear what to hear. That's it. And and being on the weddings and and doing it night after night after night, I I figured out my balance and my placement. Can you do it again then? Do the O Yiddishe Mama now in a good pitch. Off in good pitch? pitch, yeah. Should I like sing for me? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Perform for me. Yeah, you know. Yeah, like as a puppet. You want to get a bell on the mic. This would be good. Off pitch would be Did you hear the difference? Did. Yes. It's pitchy. 90% of us sound like that, by the way. Yes. So don't don't talk down to us. We're we're also We bring other values in life, okay? We're not not all of us just because we can't sing are rendered worthless. 100% 100% Yeah. But by the way, I always admired people that can sing. I really do. I think it's a really beautiful gift. It's a beautiful The chassan sofer said he would give up all his Torah to be able to sing. Did he say that? I think so. That's what he said. It's a good line. It's a good line. I think Lipa has it in one of his songs, the chassan sofer song that he said he would he would like trade a big part of his Olam Haba or whatever. Right. It would The point is, yeah, singing is definitely of my favorite things to watch, I I watch like any spare time that I have, if I'm just browsing, like if I'm just like searching stuff, I watch voice uh singing competitions. Oh, yeah. singing competitions and I'll say this, I think the best one that is by far superior to anything else for many many years already is a show called The Voice. I was sure what you were going to say. Because you have on The Voice really like somewhat professional singers, like you know, the wedding caliber singers and they're competing against each other. So they're really starting at at a at a good place and the it's just it's on another level. And especially the battles. They have something where they pin two against each other. it on. And they they don't do it in a battle way that they're outdoing each other. They actually try to get them to blend in and to synchronize and sing together and it's it's it's breathtaking. Yeah. Oh, should you watch like The Voice like from like other countries? Yes, of course. The best. Of course. I watch them all all kinds of The Voice There's a lot of spin-offs. It's so popular that a lot of people The beauty is that for those that don't know is you don't see the person. That's what I was going to say. That's only the first round. That's only the yesod. Because we all judge by the We don't want to judge you by appearance. Of course, we always judge by appearance. We can't help ourselves. We just can't. Yeah. And a lot of times we see the singer and then when the judge turns around, we see their reaction. Yes. You already know he's like he's they're going to be surprised when So much there. Yeah. No, it's a great great So singing is a universal language. It's something that every human being can relate to. No matter your background, no matter where you come from. And if you could sing or be even musical, even not singing, playing an instrument, playing a musical is it's it's really What percentage of the world of people do you think play an instrument? Is it 10% uh stuff? I'd love to know what is the percentage of people in the world that can play a musical instrument? billion people, I would say I would say I don't know, maybe 500 million, 500 million. Very small percentage. It's small. Is it 10% less 500 million I would say 10%. What's what happened? 8%. How many weddings have you sang to date so far? I don't know. I would say Did you lose count already or is it I never counted, but I remember in my room I had a list of all the wedding halls and I would cross them out. So I did Paradise, I did that there. It's like the ballpark. You know, people that scratch the ballpark. I went to this game, I saw this stadium. That's it. You're doing that for wedding halls. And my sister said, "No, you're going to bring in a big map of the world and you're going to start scratching off Israel, Manchester, Britain, Toronto, Smart lady. Yeah, she is. So what's next? 10 to 20% of people worldwide and about have played an instrument 30 to 40% of the United States. Yeah, that's pretty crazy. Oh, that's it. It's a bigger number than we thought. Yeah. Bigger number than we thought. More than we thought. Yeah, interesting. But even though I did maybe between 500 and 1,500 weddings. I don't know. That's a big gap you mean? Yeah. Between 500 and 1,500? Very big gap also, but even if it's 500 alone, it's a big number. What was like the nicest biggest wedding like you did? Like So people ask me that when What's the biggest wedding? So what do you consider bigger? A big paycheck, a big band, a big song list? Who paid you the most? How much did you make? big the most I make is when I travel. If it's out of town, that's I make a lot of money. You got to cover your travel expenses. Travel and also there's rehearsals. So there's rehearsals. So I would always come out with a bigger paycheck when I have to travel and if it's a nicer more than a wedding, it would be a concert or something like that. What what is the rate these days for Jewish wedding singers? It's all kinds. When I started out, I did for free. Oh, after that wedding, the mechutan came over and gave me $200. Then the other mechutan came over and gave me $50. You told me this is the first one. First division to a chassan. Yeah. So you got a little bit little bit On the way home, on the way home my grandfather gave me 125. He's your partner? Yeah. So I had to I have to finish it off. I gave him 125. I told him, Zaidy, I got a tip. It's 125, 120 for me. He says, "We'll do it. You my money, you put away. You keep everything, but you make my envelope." husband. Exactly. And then when I got married, the money it was like $6,000. He's caught. And he told me I should go buy myself a shtreimel. And by my father wasn't alive. I I didn't know if I tell you. My father passed away when I was 14. Yeah, it would have made more sense. hear that. Yeah, yeah. I We were over it, but you know, every day I miss him. I should say. The more time that goes on made a song about him? I want to. I've tried like a few times. I have a song from Hershey Weinberger. I always wanted to do it for the Yahrtzeit. This is going to be the 20th Yahrtzeit. So, I'm thinking maybe this year is more uh monumental. So, I'll really well I'll release it. think so. When is the Yahrtzeit? That's a great way to honor him. It's Yahrtzeit Yahrtzeit. And how long is that from Like 2 months. It's a Sefirah. After like 1 month. I could if I really would want to, I could. But I I I It's not so so much a priority. It would be more um ceremonial. It wouldn't be so much for business. I'm working on a on a like a backstage on stage project. I'm working on other stuff. So, I would have to like push it in. I released a nice video. Yeah, it was good. The Zaltz Band. Very cool stuff. Yeah, he's good. Zaltzman has a good sound. Very good sound. So, so I gave my grandpa 120. He said he says, "Keep it." And then I bought myself a shtreimel. So, what was I going to say? shtreimel? I'm just Yeah, maybe I got two shtreimels. a shtreimel costs? Some of them cost that much. Like a wig. Yes. I got More than a wig. More. They can pay eight, they can pay up to $15,000. No, but it can go also crazier, by the way. But yeah, but that's No, but the average shtreimel is like three, four thousand dollars. Just like What's it made up of? I'm sorry. I really don't know. Fur. Made out of fur. No, but what what what kind of fur? I don't know. If you guys know. Okay. For six grand, I'm curious. It looks like yeah, like Like if I'm buying Bitcoin, I want to know what I'm getting. How come they get two? Yeah, we have a Regen Shtreimel. Always. This is going on forever. They always got But the Regen Shtreimel can cost 2,500. It's not so expensive. But for $6,000, two shtreimels is not over. It's like a decent amount. I don't think I bought a shtreimel. I think I had a guy. Who sang at your wedding? His name is Gold. Quick question. Is he still Is he still around, this guy? Yeah, he's a Hasidic singer. How did he make it to your wedding? Oh, that's a good question. He came to my wedding. I had a problem. Who am I going to take? I was I was uh like I don't know how how prominent I was, but everybody knew who Shmili Ungar is. The locals knew who you were. Yeah, the business knew, the locals knew. And and whoever I was going to take, I was going to be hurting somebody. So, Gold was a very good option for me because he was a veteran. And he was good at it. He was a good friend of mine. He just fit. And I booked him. And I had a lot of singers come over. I had a lot of singers. Adam Lambert, Yossi Z, I have to remember. Benny Friedman. But he was the official guy. I knew he is going to start out the Yishuv. And when he he's going to Even Every wedding needs to have one guy that is carrying the wedding and has a responsibility. primary singer. Yes. Yeah, I I I can't tell a guy, "Yeah, I have a five singers there and nobody's taking charge. Everybody's waiting for the other to do it." Exactly. So, you have to have one guy. Anyway, so I want to go back. So, you're asking about prices. So, by that wedding, I went for free. I got 250. Then I started going for for the the Kunis and they paid me $300. And I would make my money back overtime. After 11:00, it would be another $100. So, that's where I would feel I made my money. So, because all the weddings would go past 11:00. So, it would be $400. And then the different the Kunis was 450, depending. And my grandfather, he was a partner. And he told me, "Shmili Dovid, nem bus megiter." His philosophy was, "Don't sit at home." Take jobs. "Take jobs. You get an offer for $200, go. Go sing." Don't worry about how much money. Just get users, get followers. Yeah. Start building your brand. Yeah. Smart guy, your grandfather. Yeah, yeah. You like it? Yeah, sounds Is he still alive? No, he passed away a few years ago. Um but But he got to see you in your prime, right? You got to really enjoy the successes that you were enjoying. He got to see it. He must have felt very proud. I I I He must have been super proud cuz he was a part of your journey from the beginning. And he believed in me. And all the other cousins to some one One was a chef, one was a drummer. Nobody felt like Zaidy didn't give me any startup money. Why why was he better? So, yeah, he definitely gave me So, he created some politics also. Good old family politics. to Zaidy. Talk to Zaidy. Why I didn't do anything. He probably also picked up on your talent, ultimately. Yeah, this is a big party. He wanted to be He saw the talent. Also, my father wasn't alive. My father was his oldest. And it was a kind of a way, you know, he took me in and he he he raised me, kind of. Interesting. But at the point when he said, "Nem bus megiter." Like whatever take, it was already maybe a year or two that I I I I felt I put in a lot of work in these Kunis. And I felt I told him, "Zaidy, 450. This is the bottom. I can't do a wedding. I can't do I'm not going out of my house less than 450." And and that's what I said. Nobody You said you love my Zaidy, but I think that No, but that's you, by the way. Good for you. He's setting a new standard. Yes, yes. It happens to everyone, by the It happens to everyone. By the way, the old adage, if you're good at something, never do it for free. Right? Never do it for free. And that it's your right. This is your talent. Don't just give it away. You have a minimum. You want me to get out of bed. You want me to work for you. This is what I charge. I'm curious, was was it at that point that you knew it's going to be a career or No. I want to say H E L L no, but a big no. Why you H E L L. Continue. I I did like four years where I was just I was buying blood. I was spitting blood. You were You were You were sweating it out. Really really. I did I didn't have these fancy bands. I had I had the the the the the cheapest musicians. All of them are great, good people. How were you getting income besides this then? I didn't need income. I was a bocher. I was a bocher. I didn't do it for the income. I did it for the fun. I I loved to do it. And I just I started doing it. it at that age, of course. Makes sense. Yeah, so I I I had no idea that it continued. cars for $100, you're singing and getting Exactly. So, 450 a gig. Yeah, so I started 450. Then it got to 4 550, 750. And then it got to 11. And then when I went from 11 to 14, that's when a big change happened. I had my my my then producer, my musical producer, Naftali Schnitzler, he came into my life. And and he told me to up the price. And he's he he he was a big producer. So, just being in his avid in his atmosphere, yeah. Gave me courage. Gave me confidence. It just just made me feel good. And he started telling me, "Shmili." Oh, that's when I changed my name. I was named Shmili Dovid. And I I wasn't then. It was a little bit earlier that I made it. Oh, when I made a business card, maybe I wrote Shmili. I I wrote Shmili. But I felt Shmili Dovid Ungar is very Rebbish. Very I didn't like it. Even Shmili Ungar I didn't like. I thought that Only my name was Michoel Schnitzler. It's like a name every It's good. It's a singer. Or Lipa Schmeltzer. Shmili Ungar is like so foreign. It's like Maybe Taussig. I don't know. That's what I looked at it. All of those names sound the same to me. But I hear what you're saying. Okay. Um so, I changed my name. I also changed my hat. I used to wear a Stoffen hat. You know the different hats. The Satmar wear. Anyway, it's all a thing. Do you know about a Stoffen hat? No, guys. You know? Sure. I know. So, I have a Hasidic background, by the way. What's your last name? Oishy Schwartz? Schwartz. Oishy Schwartz. Schwartz not narrowing it down at all. Yeah. No, Schwartz is very popular in Monroe and Kiryas Joel. Schwartz are popular. Yeah, very popular. Which Schwartz are you? My grandfather is Yitzchok Schwartz. Don't tell me Yes. Yitzchok Schwartz, is he My grandfather, yeah. No, Chaim Schwartz is your uncle. Is my uncle. Yeah. I have Can I tell you how many I You know how many cousins I have? My great grandma I have to put this out there just as an FYI. My great grand You can You can Google this. Um she There was an article in the New York Times that was released about her. Okay? So, you can check that out as well. Mr. Yitzchok Schwartz's wife? No, Yitzchok Schwartz's mother. Mother, okay. Her name was Yitta. Yitta Schwartz. Yeah, Baba Yittala. Yeah, Baba Yittala. She had how many Oh, go for it. When she died, they had recorded over 2,200 grandchildren. Now, keep in mind that my wife, for example, is not counted in that. Because my wife is what they say My wife married into the family. So, she's not counted. These are direct descendants I didn't know that. You know what that means? She had an army of people on her own. Like she had 19 children. Okay? I think she actually had a little bit more. I think one or two passed away. But she had about 19 kids. And each of those 19 About 90. Is this family? But you know what, by the way? Is it there? There you go. 2,000 Uh Chat GPT has it. Yitta Schwartz over 2,000 Known for having one of the largest documented families in modern times. She reportedly over 2,000 You didn't know this about him, I guess. How crazy Unbelievable. How crazy is that? We're living and learning. Exactly what we were speaking earlier. I'm going to become an entertainer. Yeah, like I don't know. You have your Schwartz spirit. I'm like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa. Slow down, cousin." They probably are. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, yeah, for sure. I know them. I don't know I don't know their names, but they're for sure cousins. But but yeah, you're never going to know. But you have this gishmak, this Schwartz gishmak. Yeah, thank you. Your chaim used to be actor. Maybe still acts. It's like I'm going to act on plays. On plays. Yeah, Bustanai. Yeah, local stuff. I'll tell you one story. I think it's pretty interesting. One story. One of these 2,000 great grandchildren of hers wasn't a girl. It was a great grandchild. Very rarely saw uh his great grandmother. Like she had She had a lot of kids, a lot of grandkids. Like it's hard for to keep track. And she was already older. So, he uh was married. He was probably in his 20s. So, he calls her on the phone one day and he says, "Uh hi, Baba Yitta. How are you?" She said, "Good, good." She says, "Do you Do you know who this is?" She says, "Of course." And he didn't say his name yet. And he didn't say his name. He says, "Really? You know who this is by my voice? I'll give you $1,000 if you really know who I am." Cuz he couldn't believe it. He says, "No way she knows it. I barely ever speak to her." And I you know, she has so many. She's like, "Hi, I'm Shmili. Bring that $1,000 to me right now." She knew immediately who he was. And it's It was a story in the family because people couldn't believe her memory. The irony of it. Yeah, and somebody that she barely ever sees and that she should know his name to to the extent just from his voice. And by the way, she was a very charitable woman. Like she was always like busy with old people and as you can imagine. So like you know, I assure you that money went to a very very good cause. But it was like it she was a very very impactful woman. She was She was a great story, yeah. Wow. Anyway, I digress. I'm sorry. But I always digress. You don't digress to anything ever boring. So it's all good. Thank you, Michael. Thank you. So where I don't know where what what it was. It's like you're seeing how much money you're earning. So we up the price, we change the name, we change the hair, the stuff in it. So You're starting to recognize that it's becoming a career. That's what's happening. About the process. You're realizing, "Okay, I can actually make money out of this." And at that point the new business cards and You're not singing songs right now. Right now you're just singing at weddings. Yeah, I'm just a karaoke singer. Even you're asking me before if I thought it's going to be a career. At that point people were coming over me. "Shmily, the master album, when you're putting out an album?" And I felt like they're like condescending is the word I can't It's like they're making fun of me. Like they're like they're teasing me. Like, "Come on, just be nice. I sing at a wedding. What Why That's what I think I I I because I I thought I'm going to be like like maybe Tally Gold. Tally Gold hadn't released an album for he sang for 15 years. He didn't release an album. had a successful career as a as a wedding singer. What's wrong with that? Yeah. And I felt like if I'm going to do an album, that's only for a studio artist. I'm a karaoke house and a singer. When you come to ask me this question, you just want to like You're mocking me. Yeah, that's what I felt. It was crazy. Anyway, but I I'm going to venture to say that most people weren't mocking you. They were actually complimenting I know. I know. It's so interesting that that happens. the message I felt It's so interesting. It's all about how you hear things, you see. It's all about how you perceive things. Yeah, what messages you get. And it's difficult for people who are saying it to even know this cuz they're giving you a compliment in their mind. Right. And it's it's just amazing. I mean, we can go down that anxiety road forever. But yeah, continue. I'm I'm interested in this. We went from 1,100 to 1,300. And then this Naftali Schnitzler told me, "Go to 14. 13 is not such a good number. Go to 14 because he said when a person hears 13, it's like more than 1,000. But when a person hears 14, it's like it's like 1,500. 1,500. Not 1,500. It's under 1,500. It's like 99 cents. Yeah, something like that. Very interesting. Yes, I went to 1,400. And that was like a big move in the business. I remember getting a phone call from one of the fellow singers. I will not mention any names. He's been doing it longer than me. And he felt threatened that uh "You're going up with the price. Who do you think you are? What are you doing? You know, I've been doing this very long and I've been going up very gradually at $50." And and blah blah blah. And I I listened to him and I told him I I said like, "Yeah, I'm also not planning on jumping up with the price. I'm also going to put in maybe another few months until I go to 1,800." Like like in a way like, "Who are you to decide that it's $50 every 12 months? Maybe it's $500 every six I am worth whatever people are willing to pay. Exactly. That's what Naftali Schnitzler realized. Whatever that's what you're worth. You set the market price based on what people are willing to Based on what people The market Exactly. I I can price myself out of business. The market will decide. But he felt threatened instead of like feeling the feeling this new guy is opening the price, we're going to push up the price. Let's do this. You could help the market. Yes. Yeah. And not only not only this, you asked before if if I can make a living. So at this point in life, I'm divorced. I don't have much expenses. I'm working with this guy Naftali Schnitzler. Currently he's working with Berry Weber, with Yiddish Greenfield, maybe with Lipa Schmeltzer. He's working with other guys and he's telling those guys for Berry Weber, "Berry, you're charging only $1,200. You got to go up to 18. You got to push it." And Berry and Berry He felt they have families. They said, "I'm very happy. This is what people are giving me." And the price for a wedding singer for many many years was the price between 800 and 1,500. That's what the number was. But Moshe Schnitzler was 18. It was a big deal. And maybe Daskal was 25. He was the modern singer. Lipa Schmeltzer. Lipa Schmeltzer, yeah. He was also on the higher end, you know. Yes. Yes. It was a Yeah, it was the most famous. identifying is then the higher end was 2,500. Yeah. The market has changed, which drastically. Yeah. We'll talk about it in a minute. Yeah, I'm going to get there. So so um I didn't have what to lose and I'm paying this Naftali Schnitzler for helping me. I figured if he's going to give me advice, I'm going to take it. And he told me to go to 14. And six months later I'm going to 18. And the calendar is just booked jam-packed. I'm working every night. Every night? Every night. So you work Sunday to Thursday. Yeah. Okay, you know what? I was never the single who sings Tally Gold. He would sing every night. Shmily Werdyger sings every Sheya Berk they sing every night. Even in my hardest hardest times, I was singing I could do three or four weddings a night on and on and on. That's a that's a lot. Yeah, it's a lot of work. Doesn't take a toll on your voice? It did. It did. But You're singing for four or five hours also. Yeah, now it's like yeah, I was about to take a lot of breaks. The musician takes solos. And sometimes you have choirs, so the choir takes away. Now I'm not singing five nights a week. I mean, it can happen in June if if I would get booked, I would do five nights, but it's not so often. If I do two weddings a week, it's average, it's nice, it's easy. The money is even more than I would do five weddings back then. So you go I I have more time. It's a different ballgame altogether. But back then, starting out and I'm going to 18 and then to 25. And everybody I was a member in the Shira choir. And I had my peers. You How do you call it? The people working with me. Your colleagues. My colleagues, yes. And we were friends. And and I'm charging money for singing. And then I'm working with them backing different singers. So it became like kind of a friction. They wanted to be my friend, but behind my back they were saying, "Who's this guy? What does he think he is?" Yeah, he's a No, that he's going to One day he's going to come. Like all these things. But in front of me they're my friends. Yeah, but they want to be my friend. And it's good. And Politics ensued. What do you know? This part I'm going to admit was probably true. Like that's what was happening. Yeah. It wasn't It wasn't perceived that way. This wasn't reality. This was the real life. Yeah, that's where the jealousness comes out and Yeah, and they also wanted to figure out where they're standing and how they're feeling about it. And maybe can I also become a solo singer? You just want to do what you do. You just want to love what you I'm just I'm Yeah, I'm spreading my wings and flying. That's That's what I'm doing. And you know what I always tell people, when I was doing this in 2013, 14, 15, I was I was 350 lb. I was My max was 405 lb. I can show you a picture. I was 400 lb. I was a big guy. I was divorced. I gained a lot of weight. I had a watch, like a white watch, like a $10 watch, but it looked like yours. I didn't have a white watch. Thank you very much. It was like a boxy one. And I liked it. And I wore it. And I had a dashiki. You know what a dashiki is? Like the Russian has like a like a hat. Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. I can call it a dashiki. And I just did my thing. And and there was so much space for people to say that this guy I look I walk him up on stage. He can barely breathe. And he has this watch. Like I can't book him. Like if I if nothing would have turned out of Shmily Ungar, they would say, "Yeah, you know, the guy was 500 lb. What What What What What was he thinking?" Right. And now that LaMelo I did it. It did work out for me. People are saying, "Yeah, you know, it was this guy. It was this big guy." Now it's a good story. Exactly. So people they they make it however it is. Because you had the guts to put yourself out there. You know, I'm sure you had anxieties about it because you know, you were divorced and people know you. So like that's always got to be a little bit hard, I imagine. Maybe, but I I didn't feel I didn't feel so much anxiety. Especially in the Hasidic community, it makes you feel probably a little bit like an outcast. Yeah, I had one friend, Velvel Feldman used to say like like in like in like a voice, "Shmily Shmily, lose the watch. Lose the watch." You know, like in that kind of sense. You got to go. And I was telling Velvel, "You're not there yet. You'll get there. Like like you're behind. I'm This is the stuff that's happening. You're just behind." But after I went I went with a How is it called? In the water? Jet ski. Jet ski. And we fell in. And the whole the watch was done. It was gone. And that was the end of the watch. The water they claimed your watch. That's what Yes. Yes. What are you charging right now? Like what's your average? 12. The average I don't know. The Hasidic have different prices. And there's the the Yeshivish singers have different prices. But you don't go less than what? This episode is brought to you by tapestryhealth.com. Tapestry Health is transforming healthcare at home and in nursing homes. They're using AI technology and human touch and effectively making change in the care that your loved one is getting at a nursing home or at home today. Check out tapestryhealth.com. What are you 10 grand? 10 10 a Bitcoin. If if you pay me in Bitcoin, I'm serious. I hate People start laughing because they don't take it serious. It's my issue. If it's Bitcoin? If you not Yeah, if you pay me in Bitcoin, I take 11 million sats. And it can be sometimes even less than 10,000. For the record, the reason why I'm laughing is because I was waiting to talk about this. That's why I'm laughing. I mentioned Bitcoin before. Yeah, that's why I I like, "Ah, now we got it back. We're going to The football player Odell Beckham Jr. is OBJ. Okay. And he took his salary, I forget which team it was that he was playing for, in Bitcoin. He did? And at the time when Bitcoin wasn't as high as it is today. need to hear this story. This is a very famous story. I'm saying if you read read the news, you can see it. Like 2015, 2016, like years ago. Something like that. I don't know if it was 2015. It was a little later than that. Probably 2018, 2019, something like that. Okay, it's still pretty And he took his his salary in Bitcoin shares. And people thought he was crazy at the time cuz he wasn't taking guaranteed money. So he And you know what? What a legend. What a legend. And he posted about it very recently, like a year And then he sold it? Yeah, no he I don't know if he sold it or not, but he posted how much he's worth, how much Bitcoin he had. He got in 2018 25,000 Bitcoin and now they're worth It's public how much he earned. So how much you know, he got in Bitcoin. How much? And it I I don't remember the numbers. I'm sure Steph can probably look it up. You can look it up. What LBJ What was his name he's saying? A crazy amount. And he made a lot of money, which was you know, very smart. It's a crazy amount. he made national headlines. 2021. He got his salary in What was it? $750,000. So it's not so much as it is So it was up So it also 30,000 What is at the time it was trading at 60,000 He got a million dollars now is trading at 88 As of now it's going to be a Yeah 109 It's going to go up way more Yes it's going to go up it's going to go up never sell your Bitcoin do you have any exposure to the digital Not really not really Do your research I had it for like 5 10 minutes like very very quick period But no no I had a friend of mine that made a lot of money on it and I was upset at him I'm like why didn't you share this with me I don't understand How could he share it with you He had no information on his own even to go and buy I understand He wasn't like he didn't have a secret source that he held back from you he himself didn't know Yeah And he was going to he wasn't going to give you all this false information and lose all your money too So obviously I was just I was kidding Suddenly he should share every stock with me Every time I invest in Yeah So instead of saying that I said it to him at the time so we laughed I'm like you know what I'm going to buy and that's when I bought Right there and then Right on the spot I call it FU money just take a little bit of money invest it in something that might go big one day I tell people like that the best time to buy Bitcoin was in 2009 10 11 12 I like to tease my friend all the time when I see Bitcoin he's like my Bitcoin friend that I know And every time it goes down I'm like Michael Yeah I don't like They all come around on status over time when Bitcoin drops They're all coming out from the those are the bitter people who lost the money Get it the ego is not Do you understand Bitcoin guys you both understand I'm a student of Bitcoin I'm learning it No problem I don't understand Imagine if I could dumb it down to you and But this is a money this is a business podcast for your audience out there I just want to give them a cute message Leave that to course money I want to hear No no I disagree with you I disagree with you pause Remember what you want to ask me this is for the audience we're going to have a good time I don't think the audience needs to hear from us They do need Go ahead take it away what what do you want to tell us about Bitcoin let's hear What I want to say is I want to echo in what my friend Reb Shmuley Dovid here is saying here that you know he I laughed at it only again I'm going to repeat it not only because we spoke about it and I wanted to speak about it I knew this story I imagined he was going to bring something like that up because he's a sports The player the base of the sports About Bitcoin etc and you shouldn't dismiss it so fast and I'll tell you why Just like in the world today AI if you look up the top 10 jobs available in the world today technology is Definitely up there and AI is big part of it you can't ignore it you can't ignore what's happening in this part of the world it's like saying I don't want to look at gold All right Bitcoin is a certain type of digital currency that is compared to gold you can't just say I don't want to know about it that's all that's what I was trying to say before It goes even deeper I just feel like you know as much as I know though Even Everything you just said I agree with I know I know a little more that I can educate you on Bitcoin in in the 10 second version Nobody really knows we're all still learning it money the noise of a money is omic omic it's very deep and we don't know nothing it's like I always tell people I read it but I tell people The story these two fish were swimming in the ocean these two youngsters And the old guy was coming against them and the old fish goes to the fish and says oh how's the water today And they swim past and the one of fish tells the other what what's water And the point of the story is we're all surrounded with money we take it and we live for it and we spend it We don't even know what it is We don't know nobody knows So even if you're not interested in Bitcoin for whatever reasons We don't know somebody in the in the in the in the audience that's checking in the business they want to explore So this is not financial advice I always say that I don't know for what reason just nobody should hold me accountable but I am putting A lot of my into Bitcoin I'm putting it yes I'm a Bitcoin maxi it's called And I recently sold my gold all of it and I bought whatever Bitcoin with that I would do even more I would but my wife doesn't let me there's a few things I would want to do You want to hear it but maybe this is I want to sell my house I want to sell my house I want to rent yes want to sell my house And get myself Bitcoin And rent I can I can rent a house for the next 10 years what is I can rent a nice house for $5,000 a month Now is an opportunity where you can get Bitcoin for Your house is also an investment you know you're giving that up It's a liability it's below it's all it's all This sounds a little excessive It's all surrounded with the US dollar You know what is holding you back from selling your house On this Either way Because you don't understand because you don't know what Bitcoin Neither do you I know more than you I've studied it Not enough More than a thousand dollars You see I'm going all in No it's not If you would know what Bitcoin is if you would put in the hours that I've put into it more than a thousand hours I would start you off with a book The Bitcoin standard familiarize yourself I'm telling you How is it Very con Because it's in the beginning yeah it's in the beginning Right now it's not a currency people confuse it For sure 100 you know what what it is dogecoin ethereum All these other meme coins and old coins that's gambling you can make money but that's gambling Bitcoin is a Bitcoin is a protocol Bitcoin Bitcoin is a revolution you hear me it's like electricity that's what it is It's going to change the world just like the internet changed the world you know the internet wasn't the US government didn't allow the internet in the beginning need to be regulated and all these big companies they didn't want to use email What is email I want to take a bird and put it on a piece of paper and know the other person is going to get my message email or you're not I'm going to send something I don't know where it's getting For sure people they don't want Yes that's what they think just like you were saying And it was just a matter of time where money is going to become digital and not only that All the other stuff is going to go into Bitcoin Bitcoin is going to swallow everything up Cuz think about it see I got to go but you got me at the Bitcoin arms You're very passionate about this I'm telling you it's amazing people are not paying attention people are like you Screaming and laughing And I want to go on the rooftops and scream it and and people I put out a post I'm taking Bitcoin 11 million sats per wedding do you know what I got in return Messages and messages your account was hacked your account was hacked People think it's a scam and the media is a big part of it because they don't want people should know It's it's a little bit conflicting because there's now a Bitcoin strategic reserve that Trump has signed into law it's amazing but yet people are Paying attention they think it's internet money it's gambling going to Vegas because they didn't do the work And you're doing medical stuff very nice but you're always in the in the market of fiat dollar which is It's it's it's a scam they're printing this money but you you're not with your family you're sitting in traffic you're giving away your days and your nights you're not raising your children for something that somebody can print out of out of nothing that's what they do they tell you they do it they tell you there's 2% inflation which is much more than that But we're just so Caught up in it we don't see that we're losing our purchasing power so what people are doing instead of having 100 million dollars in cash they bought themselves a penthouse in Manhattan and They don't even live there but they want to they need to store their value right they don't want But they got to pay taxes they got to pay for All kinds of stuff in the house and you if you want to find the tenant it's a lot of it's a lot of if zoning laws can change But they need to they can't they don't want to have that cash because they're losing purchasing power so they got to buy the house And that house nobody is living there so what happens the houses go up in price and it's not used as a utility it's used as a store of value Now people don't think about it because it's all the subconscious And the the material is just like water needs to go to the the the lowest place naturally Capital money cash Always wants to go to the hardest place it used to be copper it used to be silver it went to gold it always wants to go to the most scarce place it wants to go to the most Valuable place we understand Bitcoin is that thing it's capped at 21 million coins there's never going to be more People don't get the concept of this and they're going to keep on mining it I'm I'm talking a lot you probably don't understand No no I'm soaking this all in I might buy a Bitcoin tomorrow No you're not going to buy Bitcoin you have 85,000 dollars I would get you over 10 dollars another thing people don't get Exactly 10 dollars fractions of a Bitcoin That's where the currency comes in because I think in 20 years people will be using This as a medium of exchange Right now people I'll tell you what they're doing Yes people are doing it all over the place Of course but it's not it's not a mainstream adopted yet It's still in the stages of store of value People who don't want to have their money in real estate because they don't want to deal with the government also people don't know this what do you own do you own your house Yes How do you own your house Try not paying taxes For 3 years what's going to happen How is it crazy You don't really own anything The government technically owns a piece of That's what I'm saying you don't Exactly They take your house away from you There is now talk in Capitol Hill about creating some bills to take some of that power away from from the towns the villages and and from the state and from the federal government Let's see That they can take away things from you But people don't people think I paid off my house it's done but you got to pay every month 1500 dollars I pay in taxes 1500 dollars used to pay for rent for my whole house this is continued for the rest of my life Makes no sense to me Bitcoin you own it Nobody can take it away from you the government can't come in and steal your they can steal your gold like what happened in the 40s the government says you got to bring your gold it was an executive order The Bitcoin they got to negotiate with Who's managing this Bitcoin A good question Who's regulating Bitcoin Great question. Regulating is a different discussion. Not regulating. Who owns This is also a big point. It's decentralized. There's no government that can go and knock in somebody's door like the Ethereum and Dogecoin and all these other stuff and shut you down. It's a decentralized uh uh protocol. Who's the creator? Thousands and thousands of computers all over the globe sitting and monitoring this thing. Miners. Is there anybody that has the ability to hack this system and take over the control? They've been trying for as long as it's been 15 years. They've been trying. Isn't that a concern though that that could happen one day and then everything goes to People People who want to poo-poo it use that quantum computer that's going to come and it's going to steal. Well, let me something there's something to be said about a physical tangible currency versus something that's digital that you know, there's there's always going to be the ability for people to take control by by hacking. There is that risk. As good as this system is that created it, there could be a system that could break it apart. No. Cuz think about what you're saying. What should be the the incentive of somebody to break it apart if he wants the money from Bitcoin? If he breaks it apart, Bitcoin goes to zero. So, he has nothing. something that's worthless now. Exactly. And it's it's If you're going to do your research, you're going to know how he put together a lot of research in this He just said he was kidding. More than I love it when it goes up my semen wholesome go up. When it goes down, I look for money to buy more. So, I'm always in the state Wow, you're an addict. You think I'm an addict? It sounds to me like it. This is like This is like a rabbit hole. Well, the people who are into it And they All of them say one of the hardest thing is when they tell their friends and family the responses they get and it's it's it's it's hurting me a little bit. But I'm thinking in 20 years from now, if you're going to listen to my do your research and you going to it's going to come Everybody's going to get Bitcoin. want to clarify something. And there's going to be a time where you're not going to be able to buy Bitcoin with US dollar. They're not going to sell it to you. They're going to say, "You know what? You're going to work for me. I'll give you some Bitcoin." Wow. Yes, and that's to be that precious? And that's when it's going to be too late. Too late to make money off of it. There's a few dynamics. If you get in now, you can potentially be a millionaire because this is the new foundation of the global monetary system that's happening now. And it's going to be a time that's going to be done. So, you have like 10 years like the the like the gold rush. You have from November of 2024 till 2032 then it's going to be 99% of the Bitcoin mined. And that's when it's going to it's going to switch over to uh to a medium of exchange and to uh a unit of account where people are going to be exchanging it. It's just going to happen naturally. So, to finish off my my point before, so houses are used for utility to live in. I bought my house 10 years ago. The sheetrock didn't get more expensive. It got crayoned on. The plumbing got rotted. The copper is is got it's Like 10 years, it's wear and tear. Yet my house is worth like $700,000 more. Does that make sense? The house for utility to live in is not worth it's the land. What do you mean? It's So, it's the land. Whatever it is. It's the spot that you're on, all right? It's that it's that real estate that you've taken up on your block. Maybe. That block that that little chunk of So, what happened in this little in this 10 years? What happened? It didn't I didn't Think about it. I switched off the sprinklers. My seller had sprinklers all over town and it was costing a lot of money. I shut them down. I just kept off. So, I maybe did damage to the How come it went up so much in price? Because it ties into what I said before. All these millionaires, they're using their money to get to put it into real estate for to the value to to keep their value. And if the real estate is is up, it costs a lot of money because you're not just buying it for utility to live in. You're buying it as a store of value. What Bitcoin is going to do eventually is all these folks are going to realize, "Why am I having all this property and I'm busy with the with the zoning laws and maintenance and and and taxes and everything? It can burn down. You know how much money gets wasted? Oh, this ties into the volatility. You know how much money is wasted? In the world, there's 900 trillion dollars worth of assets, capital, equities, bonds, real estate, gold, silver. 900 trillion dollars. 450 of it, half of it is not being moved. It's just sitting. It's sitting for wealthy people. For them, the most the the most scariest thing is for them is, "How do I keep my money? How do I not lose it? How do I The government shouldn't take it away from me. I want to move from Russia. I have all this real estate in Russia. What am I going to I want to move to It's a big problem. Bitcoin solves all of it anyway. So, this $450 trillion which is in real estate and gold just sitting. The other 450 people are doing business. Stagnant. Yes. It's just as a store of value for all these 1%. I don't want to bore you. This $450 trillion every year between natural disasters and uh rioting and zoning laws and elections, all this stuff for the $450 trillion loses around 1 or 2%. It's like 10 to 15 trillion dollars. Mhm. But people don't think about 10 to The $15 trillion you're saying that that $450 up Maybe it goes out from here, but it goes over here. It's always People are losing between all these insurance companies have to pay for natural disasters. Somebody is losing. It's going all over the place. But it's getting out of the system like 1 or 2% of the $450 trillion. So, the volatility what you're seeing in Bitcoin, it's $2 trillion the whole the whole market cap of it is it's not so much. If you want to look at where you're really like losing a lot of money where you don't see it is over there in the $450 trillion. Anyway, as soon as the millionaires will realize that the best store of value is not real estate and it's not gold and it's not all this Bitcoin is the real thing everything is going to start adjusting. Houses are going to go down in price. The stuff you're going to buy is going to become cheaper. The stuff you're going to buy is going to become more better stuff, better quality stuff. Now, I I might You might think, "Yeah, he's in a dreamland." But if you would study it it all It's like a domino effect. Fix the money, you fix the world. Bitcoin has not been around in history. In 2009, there was a guy named Satoshi Nakamoto and he figured out how to put a few things together as a dish. And he used he used blockchain technology to keep a ledger to keep He used the hash rate for security to secure it like 256 hashes. I don't even know exactly what I'm saying, but it's like 000 256 zeros. That's how encrypted it is. Like you it's much not make luck to hack it. People have been trying. Governments have been trying. North Korea has their group called Lazarus and they hackers. They hack all over the place and they hacked uh uh an exchange that sells cryptocurrencies. I bit it was called. It's called They stole $1.5 billion worth of Ethereum. Now, exchanges are not so secure. This is also if you're going to buy Bitcoin, you want to take it to self-custody. It's a whole lot. I can talk so much about it. Bottom line, I bit is an exchange and these Lazarus hacker from North Korea, they hacked it and they stole $1.5 billion worth of Ethereum. And they bought You know what they bought? They bought Bitcoin. Yeah, they bought Bitcoin. Because North Korea wants to position themselves to be in a good position. that I did It's true. It's amazing that we don't know anything. How do we not know anything? Because you're doing the medical field and you're busy picking up phones for Mandy Glick and you asking him, "4:00 is the podcast?" You're doing your thing. I have the community gave me economic freedom. I don't work all the time. I have time. And I'm studying and I'm seeing this thing every day. I'm listening to podcast. I'm listening to what's happening in this market. And people are not paying attention. So, people say, "I'm so late. It's $85,000 now. I want to get Dogecoin. It's 15 cents a share." A unit, whatever you want to call it. And I'm telling you it is so early. If I If you go into any gas station, you ask the guy, "Do you know Bitcoin?" They say, "Huh? Huh?" You know you're early. You know you're early. When you're going to be late is when people are not going to sell you any more Bitcoin for US dollar. I think personally it's going to happen like at least 50 to 60% adoption to Bitcoin when Bitcoin is worth $5 million a coin. That's what it's going to take. You know, I I meant the Bitcoin when Bitcoin turned to 1 cent it was history. It was history because it started from 0.000003 to go to 1 cent it needed to go like a thousand X. It's like a mess. And then when it went to 10 cents, it was a mess. But you and I, we didn't even know about it. Yet it was something massive. Then it went to a dollar, it was a massive. I didn't know. $100, massive. We didn't know. $1,000, massive news. We didn't know. $10,000, massive. We didn't know. Now it's reached $100,000. A lot of people still don't know about By $100,000 it's attracting new kind of money. By $500,000 it's going to attract I got around like by by $10,000. That's when I came online to this and I I traded and I bought and I sold. I'm going to be rich. I'm going to gamble. I didn't even know what I'm buying. From 2020 to 2024, 4 years. I was just whatever. I need to find where I I don't want to buy real estate. I'm going to buy Bitcoin. And I bought and I sold. And until November of 2024, maybe October, before the election it just it just clicked. That's all that's all there is to talk. It clicked to me. And I just looked how much sats, how much Bitcoin I have. And I thought, "Okay, whatever I have, I'm keeping. And from now on, I'm only buying more and more and more." Thank God at that point, I had some accumulation because I got to stop you. Stop. Just stop. Stop. This is wild. You know Crazy. Even even when I'm stopping I have so much You're you're a financial analyst. I'm not a Are you a singer? Like do you have two things you got not two notches in your belt. I I I want to stop for a moment here because you're throwing so much at me and I want you to know. You are tremendous salesman. I have to tell you I'm not looking to sell you this Bitcoin. I'm making I'm making anything. Not only that I'm being sold slowly but what you're what you're doing you're really opening my eyes to something that I need to do more research into. audience exactly You got enough Which one is this my camera? Do your research open up your eyes Google read the Bitcoin standard book came out of 2018. I don't read so good English. I listen to the audio it's 11 hours. I had to rewind constantly because in the listening I was like woah woah woah woah go back go back because it's it's very deep the whole monetary system is very deep. So yeah do your research you go further and eat. It's crazy what you're the way you're describing and you're articulating it very well. You also have all the jargons down like you know all the terminologies and you're clearly a subject matter expert on this. Like you have amount of research that you've done and good for you that you took interest in something and you pursued it to the level that you did that you become somewhat of an expert on it. You probably have knowledge in this more than 95% of the world. It's unbelievable. You're in that little minor group of people that understand it but in intricate way you understand the granular details of which is phenomenal. Now what I want you to do though if you will please I want you to stop for a second. And I want you to give me the other side. Okay? You're clearly sold on it. You believe in it very passionately wholeheartedly. I'm a buyer. I believe you completely what you're selling. Awesome. But you're a smart guy you know there's risks to everything in this world. What you're saying is generational it's going to change the world. I mean you're you're really a this is very high praise. It almost sounds like a god you know this this Bitcoin thing. Give me the other side for a moment. Tell me what are some of the risks where something can go wrong and why this could be potentially not the greatest thing. So I I where should I start? I can I can I can I can tell you what people always the concerns I hear from people is number one is volatility. How is it a good store of value if I put in today a million dollars and I wake up in the morning it's only 850? Um to that I say that had Bitcoin go gone up in a straight arrow like this like like an artist going up up up you and I would never be able to get into it because Warren Buffett and Bill Gates they would all buy it up. Such a thing going like this like this. So this volatility is a is a Twitter for us it's very good. And also it's new and the market is figuring it out. What is this? There's a hundred million people in the world trading Bitcoin. 10% of these know what they're holding. The others are just speculating wanting to sell. They have it but when it reaches 125 I'm selling. That's that's their mindset. Um my mindset is not that because what am I selling it into? I'm going to sell my Bitcoin to get 125,000 US dollars that tomorrow is going to be only have the purchasing power of 124,000 dollars? This this can be printed out of nowhere. So when you ask me the other side I'm trying to the other side is the quantum computers. People say there's going to be the new computer who's going to be able to hack everything. It'll solve it all. And this will be something they can hack as well. This is one thing yeah this is a lot of computer power securing this network but quantum computers can be something but I but I tell them if quantum computers will be able to destroy Bitcoin we have way bigger problems before Bitcoin. Right. They're going to hack the nuclear system. They're going to hack bigger problems. You know cyber attacks. But do you think that there's something to be said about a fad when a fad is when a hype you know people they it it looks exciting you know that might not be so exciting but it looks and people say Like the tulips. Right. dot com bubble. Exactly. Yeah yeah yeah I know. It gains a lot of traction because of it and it's really worthless right? Like if you look at the NFTs Jeez like at a certain point right? Right. The NFTs were like people were trading a pictures that looked like you know Whatever yeah the NFT was big. For millions of dollars right? Because the fact that people are afraid of missing out people you know and and it jumped very quickly. Anything that's too good to be true usually is especially things that gain notoriety very quickly things that really go to the top really quickly. Right? Could it be that Bitcoin has a lot of that also and that's really firing it up and that's giving it a lot of the like that's a shot in the arm for Bitcoin is that people are talking about and a guy like me is sitting and I'm thinking am I really missing out on something and I'm going to quickly go and buy and that's going to spike up the price right? So there there's got to be a little bit of that that it's inflating its real value. Yes probably. And that's why it keeps on going up because people want to buy it in and then it reaches up and then it goes down because people want to grab profit. Right. So that's that's the whole game. That's what I said the 90% of people who have exposure to Bitcoin they don't know what they're holding and they're But but you're right though because let's face it like the one thing that is not like we modernized so many things. Like plumbing right wasn't around many hundreds of years ago and then we we changed the course of the world. Our lives changed our quality of life changed right? I feel like the one thing that is very antiquated like we've been doing this for thousands of years that we never really modernized is money. It's basically what is water? We've been buying and selling since the dawn of time. Where for a product right you paid a price and and that's how you create a free society. Right? That's literally this is the one thing that we've ignored. Now we ignored the the education system. They don't want you to for your whole life and then somebody asks you how you like the water like well what's water? You don't even realize what it is anymore. Tell me now you're getting this metaphor much better than before right? Now I get the metaphor. Of course you are but you're doing some of the research they don't want you to educate yourself. They want the US dollar should remain the the And this is who's this a big problem for? For the US for the governments around the world. Every government that can print because that's a big problem. What the fact is unless unless if they can print money you print your money and you buy yourself Bitcoin. Exactly. be a winner. That's why Trump is not putting a lot of the reserves in Bitcoin because he's got to get in on it because why is America the most powerful country in the world? Because we're the richest powerful country. Why does the richest country why does that matter? Because you have the biggest military. You can spend the most and you're the biggest military. You got the most guns you're the strongest man in the room. So America needs to remain the richest in the world. I thought you were going to say something better. This is a threat to them. It's force. Yeah. Why is the US dollar people trading by force? You are forced to use it. Why? Because it's backed by the military. If you're not going to use it you know what happens. Look what happened to Gaddafi. Look what happened to all the other places that want bricks. Everybody wants to walk away the US is in there forcing you to buy it. Bitcoin is not forced. Bitcoin is adoption. You get into it and you start enjoying the reaping the benefits. Even Putin said in a big interview he was saying that I can use Bitcoin to bypass US sanctions. The US can't do anything about it. It's as simple as that. So people And it's untraceable money as well. Now how Now Untraceable to the person because it's a wallet. You can trace down the wallet but you don't know who is the owner of the wallet. It can be a robot. Right. And this is also a big thing. You know how many people can't get into the banking system because they don't have a social security or they don't have a home address. People in Africa good people they have they have a lot of talent but they're working for the Zimbabwe money and their governments are inflating their money they can't get out of their thing because their governments are inflating the money. Bitcoin they can get into Bitcoin. If you have a cell phone at the universal rate I can be living in Zimbabwe and providing a service for a guy in San Francisco and he's giving me 20,000 sats for this. And these 20,000 sats is is global money. So even if I live in Zimbabwe this is a lot of money this 20,000 sats. And the whole world is going to get out of poverty. Satoshi Nakamoto Satoshi Nakamoto He disappeared. Who the heck is this guy? Ah good question. Where the hell is this guy? So you got to understand He sounds to me but I'm starting to pick up on this now. I obviously I'm hearing this over 30 minutes. This guy is a freaking genius cuz He is. Of course he's like he's like he he invented something. He invented something. He is a genius. So where is he? Who is he? Let's go. He's the most valuable person in the world right now. He has 1.1 million Bitcoin and hasn't moved since 2009. You can see the Bitcoin is a ledger. He's secured a little chunk for himself right now. He took it yeah he took it for himself but we don't know who he is so Until 2009 is he a real person we don't know this? We know he's a real person. Yeah he he emails from So you mean it's one person? You don't know if it's an individual or if it's a group. It could be he's a It's an email address. Yeah it's that's what we know it's Satoshi Nakamoto that's how we communicated. We don't know if it's a group or if it's a team or if it's a person I guess but I if I would put my I think it's a person. I just wanted to interject for a minute because we're running out of time. Yeah I know about the time I No but I do I do want to I do want to say What What is time? Time doesn't mean anything to me. I don't like Bitcoin is going to replace time also from the sounds of it. I if I'm buying that Bitcoin I'm buying my time. I'm buying 40 exactly. Where do you have to go right now? That's more important than investing more in Bitcoin. That's what it sounds like. I got to be healthy. I want to What is the latest? Otherwise what's everything in life worth? You got to be physically healthy. I agree. What was I going to say? So until 2009 when this Bitcoin came to life from 1971 when Nixon got all got us out of the of the gold standard that's when everything went downhill because the money is not backed by gold. The second money is not backed by gold you can just print it and you don't have any There's no collateral on it. It's not worth anything. So the US dollar since 1971 till today I think it the purchasing value dropped 90% or 95% you know how much that is? And we don't realize and we just go and go with what we have. So between 1971 and 2009 there was a lot of smart people knowing that this is the monetary system is no good is no good and they were experimenting all the time with different kind of websites and coins and options and the US would shut it down and would jail them and would do everything so this Satoshi Nakamoto has had a lot of experience all these years before. So, he knew one of the things I guess he knew from the beginning that if this is taking off, I'm disappearing. Nobody call me. Nobody know who I am. So, in 2011, it was the last email where he was uh communicating with other developers. It's out of his hands. He created this protocol. He can't even change it. So, this is how he made it. He made it decentralized that this is powered by thousands and thousands of computers globally. In 2011, he wrote his last email. He was writing something along the lines that yeah, everything because between 2009 and 2011, all these developers were coming along and they kept on finding problems because you have a lot of manpower doing something and there's I don't understand all of this encryption and all this coding, but if you do this and then there's a way in for the Oh, good. And he writes back, "Thank you for bringing this my It's developing it. It was developing it. In 2011, he wrote he wrote, "I think Bitcoin is in good hands and like see you mañana." And that was the last that we heard of him. There's a lot of theories out there, but he knew because the US government wants to shut down Bitcoin, they would go to Satoshi Nakamoto. And he's anonymous. Nobody knows if it's him. You know that commercial they always play the most interesting man in the world Dos Equis? Remember that commercial, right? He's the most interesting man in the world. That's the guy. For the people following Bitcoin. Yeah. Yeah. But most people don't even know what Bitcoin is. They think it's a scam. I'm so far of the game. I want to get Dogecoin. All these all these How did we get here? How did we get here? This is good. I think I told you when you told ask me if I can come on the podcast, I told you I don't know. We got to speak about Bitcoin. This was one of my things. Oh, this one's wild. That's even on my podcast. I've been waiting wild and it happens to be You totally but I have so many questions I wanted to ask. But because singing is very Okay, we're singing all of these show my tone and pitch. It's not a waste of time. It's not a waste of time because that's giving you income that you can actually invest into, you know, so so you're not sitting on money. You're taking every dollar that you believe in it so much. Every dollar that come the night of the wedding you made 18 grand, 17 of it goes into Bitcoin. Well, you're very cute. Well, first of all, let me enlighten you. So, first of all, if it's I know I don't take 18, but let's say 18, I would take 9,000 for the deposit months and months ago. So, after the wedding I would only pick up a check of nine. And then from this nine, it has to go to agent. Sometimes there's a manager, there's a producer, and you know, this money mass it. You give mass it? Sure. Sure. You give mass it money to give everybody give mass it. Anyway, so you're left with it was a certain amount of money. So, let's say I'm left with $5,000. I put it in the bank. I got to pay my credit cards. I got to pay the goiter. There's stuff you got to pay. But I I dollar cost average every day. Every day today I bought Bitcoin. I bought 280,000 sats for like 250 dollars. That's what I bought. Every day I bought. Look, there are some people that invest in stocks, right? And you're putting all your investments I don't I don't I don't look at it as investment. Also, make the switch that I buy site. Investment, you're looking to grab profits or you get upset when it goes down. This is not an investment for me. I have investment in my house. I have some other stuff, maybe some life insurance for my kids. I don't look at it as an investment. I look at it as a savings vehicle. Instead of it should be in the Chase app, I'm putting it into the Ledger Live app. It should be there over there. Sometimes it goes down. Yeah. If it goes up, I I I get so excited. I was going to say, so in stocks when people invest in stocks, they want to put investments, they use the term a lot, right? So, I'm investing in this, I'm investing in that. You can invest in bonds and securities. So, it seems like you made the decision with your 100% you are a subject matter expert on this topic. You think I'm an expert? I don't consider myself an expert. You certainly know more than the average person. Yes, but I also know what I don't know. You you don't know what I'm I had this guy, I must say. He sent messages me. He's like an Israeli always finding ways to make He said, "It's come to my attention that you're into Bitcoin. If there's anything I can bring you or I know Bitcoin." He's going to like enlighten me. I said, "Oh, yeah, you know?" And I have my notes. I have a lot of questions and I write it down. I can show it to you. And I have my questions that I want to have one day on my podcast and a guy named Charlie Shrem. I think it was a Hasidic guy. He was the one of the founders. He went to jail. You know how much the the the government would arrest people? They arrested a guy named uh Ross Ulbricht, I think, and Trump just released him in an executive order. They put him into jail and there was the Silk Road. People went to jail all these years. Don't you Don't think that the government hasn't been trying to hack and get and hackers Everybody's been trying to destroy it. They It's out. It's It's It's a protocol. You can't stop the internet. You can't stop Bitcoin protocol. You can add layers. You can have all kinds of utilities to it, from it. Robots can use it. It's become AI. It's becoming embedded. It's digital money. Anyway, what was I saying? What was I saying? Savings vehicle. The guy that you want to have in your pocket. Oh. So, he says, "If you want, I can bring you." He asked me. So, I said, "Yeah, I have a few questions." I took my notes and I sent it to him. Like this guy says it's a lie, get. And he comes back. He sees all my questions. It's like it's it's normal. I understand it, but somebody doesn't know it wouldn't understand even what I'm asking. And he says, "Oh, yeah, yeah. I I I don't know. Okay, go to somebody else." See, he's here like to make a buck. People always trying to see how they can outsmart the system. But if you know what you have, you just buy it. I'm putting I'm putting the label back on you and I'm doing it for a reason. I've spent at least I'm going to say 40 hours researching this. Okay. Okay? You spent 1,000 hours. Probably more. You're a subject matter expert on this topic. You're not only speaking passionately about it. The reason why you can sell it to Ushi and the reason why I stepped back is because I knew this about you. I was excited watching you transition him from a non-believer to a believer. Yeah. Makes me proud. The same kiss you wanted to give him when he finally hopped, I wanted to give it to you when you started cuz I knew where you were going and I'm so happy we're here for you to send a message that it's a great savings vehicle. And also not giving advice like financial advice to anyone. You're just saying what you works for you. But Michael, we have to shift gears here, Frederick. We have a few minutes left. The last few minutes I want to give you like a series of questions, not about Bitcoin, but about you and your life and your thinking capacity. You're very multi-talented. I'll wrap up the the Bitcoin thing. Bitcoin is a crypto, right? So, it's a crypto currency. Right, it's a crypto currency. So, let's just end this topic with this was crypto, right? Not this was gold, this was crypto. This conversation was unbelievable. I like I learned a lot. Yeah, yeah. No, we were all in enlighten yourself. I'm telling you that. You did educate me. I'm I'm a stick. This is the first thing when when when If I only have 2 minutes somebody says, "Sell me Bitcoin like the 30-second elevator pitch whatever." I always go to the US dollar. Does it make sense to you to give away your time, energy, effort in not seeing your kids? You're living for your career all for these cotton pieces of paper that a government can just print at will? Does this make sense to you? They're taking not just your money, they're taking your energy. They're taking your time. They own you. You were slaves. I used to hear you're a slave to the US government. I used to think like yeah, he's like It didn't click to me. I was like, "Yeah, he's talking stuff that I'm never going to understand." But this is the truth. This is the first thing I ask, "Does it make sense to you to work for something your whole life for some for something somebody can just print at will?" And that's like The more they print, the more they're devaluing. Of course. You already have in your pocket. Whatever you have. You decided to print more because you overspent in other areas and now you needed more money. So, you printed more. So, you took money out of my pocket that I worked for and now it's worth 90 dollars. Exactly. Exactly. What the Romans did, they used to print the gold coins and then they wanted to go to war. So, they took these coins where these people were earning and they put 80% gold and 20% metal. And then more That's how they used it. And then they went poof. How long The Romans are not alive. The same thing is going to happen to the US. There's only they can push it only so far along the road. The credit line will only go so far and they're going to have to keep printing and printing and printing. They don't have a choice. They must print and they will print. Before we move on to Ushi, I just want to say this was amazing. This clip of 15 minutes or whatever it was should be listened to everyone who's starting to look at savings or investing. And of course it's not use every penny that But the idea that you're saying if I could by the way rent the house that I have forever and just pay rent, I would do it. The challenge with renting is that you can get thrown out. That's the challenge. That's why people don't rent and they buy cuz you control where you live. That's what I was thinking when you said rent. Of course, if I could say this house I'm going to have forever for $5,000 with No, it still doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense to rent if you can buy. No, no, no. No, I'm agreeing with him that I would rather rent if I knew I can stick with this house forever. Why? You don't want to pay for the boiler? You don't want to pay for gardening? I know people who rent. I'm not sure what's happening here, but what is irrelevant. I should I should tell you something I didn't mention before. I have a guy, a friend. He says he will buy my house. And I can stay living there. And I will pay him rent. I It never got there because my wife said, "Go away. We're not selling anything." So, it never got there, but I wouldn't have to move out. My friend told me he has the money. I have to get my wife there, but it's also my I got an equity loan. I got You must. Ushi Schwartz, show me your hand. You're a very This is your industry. This is you know, the craft. Yeah, the music. This is really where your sweet spot is. You you must enjoy it cuz you do it for a living, right? Who's the best all-time Jewish singer, no question, hands down, in your mind? Who gets that award? Who's the number one overall best singer with the best voice, you know, or just the way he carried himself and his his performances? Overall, who's your best? Who's your favorite? So, you just said three things: performances, the voice, the charismatic Yeah. All boxes that they have to check, who gets the highest score between them? Even the one who will get the highest score, he might excel at one thing at 60, but the other things is not so good. So, it's Everybody has a little bit of everything. So, even if even if I have my favorite, it's not going to be my favorite here in all the other years. Who is the goat? You know what the goat is? The greatest of all time. Who is the goat? So, So, if you're going to ask me who it's who moves me. Who's music do I play and it moves me is Mordechai Ben David. Mhm. So, you still listen like you you'll put on a Mordechai Ben David song? You want to hear something even fast more fascinating? When I was growing up, I didn't know the difference between Mordechai Ben David and Avraham Fried. Didn't know who is who. Does that make sense? No, what do you mean by that? I didn't know. You didn't know that they they sounded the same to you? They sounded the same. I was growing up that they were goyish singers. Avraham Fried was Is that what the Hasidic community were telling their kids at the time? For sure. When Mordechai Ben David was big and Oh, Kol Ba'al. Oh, that's totally They weren't Kol Ba'al. They were But they were in the same basket as Kol Ba'al, Mordechai Ben David, and Avraham Fried. And they were telling you when you were younger that they were and like Not but they're We don't We don't We don't listen to their other. We don't bring in in our houses their music. from enough. Exactly. Yes, it's not It's not heimish. So you had to sneak listening like sneak around listening to their music? I guess so, but my mother was from Australia. She didn't have this whole mindset. So at home we had whatever But in the community that's what they were telling Yeah, and Gadol They would know about Mordechai Ben David and Do you think by the way that's good? That's Isn't that terrible? Because think about it. If they were hiding that from their kids and then they realize when they listen to it this is what they were hiding from me. Oh my god, what else were they hiding from me? And that's what could could have created a big bubble that you know when things like And people wouldn't know a difference between making a cut in the challah and you know doing a real avodah. Exactly. They don't know the the difference. Everything is hot. their trust. Yeah, their parents lost their trust because so but Zionism was a big thing by us in Kitzis Ya'akov. I remember that. The the the Medina Zionism Zionism So and and then there's lashon hara. Lashon hara is a big big big avodah. God hates lashon hara. Mhm. Lashon hara everybody speaks lashon hara. That's okay, but if you speak Hebrew That's the devil. Yeah. Who's the next big singer? Who's up and com- who are we watching out for? Who Who do we need to be prepared? What I'm thinking a Chassidishe guy No, why Chassidishe? Why are you doing that? Anybody Anybody in the Jewish world that's coming up that I I I I I I I I I I I know and I'm thinking I'm excited about He's around the corner he's about to do big things. But I don't know if I don't know if it's people going to accept it. I can tell you I think I I see people who are talented and I think they should have the opportunity. Yeah. I should name a guy? Yeah. His name is Rosenberg. Heedy Rosenberg. Yiddy Rosenberg. Yiddy, but he calls himself Heedy. I don't know. Heedy. Heedy, but his name is Yiddy. Is he young? Yeah, he was by He was He played the music. He plays piano. He's very absolutely in love with him. I call him the the Jewish Elton John. Oh, I didn't even know. So he has a lot of Brand new though. This He's brand He's up and coming. has a a certain hidden talent that he finds good talent and brings it to his Yeah. forefront of the community. You know, he's he's brought you to us in our community and I love I love the community. And no, for real. He has. And he's done it for Eli Levin even from years ago. Who by the way Eli gets a huge mazel tov. Yeah, he got engaged. He got engaged. Mazel tov. Shout out to you, Eli. Very nice. Very nice. Beautiful. And he's done it to other people as well. And he's doing it now to Heedy. And I sat there and me and my friends were mesmerized by this individual. He is I agree with you. I would love to see some clips. Michael, you have some clips because I want to clips. We're going to share it Who's this guy I see clips of him? I see him on Instagram. I see him in different places. He has this very hoarse voice. He has like this long payos. Interesting guy. He dances a lot and he moves and he's like he looks wild almost like he's out of control. Like a rock and roll type of guy. Either Joey Newcomb or Zusha. No, no, none of those guys. I know both of them. Not those. There's another guy. The guy with dances and Yeah, yeah, he looks he he he he he he he I don't know what his name is. He doesn't break dance. He does like I don't know what his name is. I think he like he takes his shoes off. Yeah. Exactly. He break dances. I don't know his name. And and he was there I think Yanky Low. Yanky Low. That's it. Yanky Low. That's the guy. He's also very talented. Yeah, but I think he should be getting bigger than he is. I don't think he's getting He's more of an entertainer. He's not a Very talented though. He's talented as an entertainer. Yeah, an entertainer. But he jumps around. He Half the job of singing No, no, no, you have to have a special voice. Both. He doesn't have a special voice. He has a cool vibe. He knows all the songs. All songs he knows. Yeah, exactly. He's a cool vibe. him to hype any party, he does it. He's a hot He's a good He's an amazing amazing guy. Yeah, Yanky Low. I'm not putting him at a concert, you know, to on the lineup. But he's the kind of guy that you know you want to have at a bar mitzvah. Yeah, work the crowd. Work the crowd. I want to ask who do you enjoy singing with? That's to me that's what I've been thinking of. Ooh, good question. So enjoying is I would love to sing with Omer Adam just to feel like wow, I made it on a stage with Omer Adam. So I would enjoy that, right? But you're asking more of like enjoy by a chasunah. Harmony. You vibe well. Hershy Weinberger. Hershy Weinberger. Beautiful. Yes, yes. I guess if I have to sing together with somebody I would choose to sing with a composer rather than with another fellow singer. With a composer it's you know, he sings it with a more depth and he always has different angles how he's singing it and he knows the song better. He knows how to harmonize. When it's two singers everybody wants to get that viral moment. Right. And everybody I'm doing each other Exactly. want to share the stage. Exactly. And the same time you want to be respectful. At the same time you don't want to look like the filler. You know you have a We're all human. You know you have a video on YouTube that's got like 11 12 million views, right? Mach aberacha. Oh, Mach aberacha. Yeah, Mach aberacha. Was that your big song? Was that your That's your biggest song to date probably. Well, Yirachein Mayim would be a big song, but the biggest video and the most ground I've gained with the young people I would I think Mach aberacha. Great song by the way. Yeah, Hershy Weinberger. Who came up with that song? Hershy Weinberger. So he wrote the whole thing? No, so it started out it started out it started out with Halleluyah Halleluyah Mach aberacha da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da Mach aberacha da da da da da da da da da da da da da Halleluyah Mach aberacha da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da You know the song? Sure. And then it went Baruch Atah Hashem Elokeinu Melech Ha'Olam Mach aberacha like it it got it evolved and it evolved. And one interesting anecdote is the word or trivia whatever the word is while we were composing this song we didn't know what we were doing and I took a selfie Instagram jamming in studio on Mach aberacha Mach aberacha my I put it out. And a few days later Hershy tells me that you know that and that guy guy in the business replied to him on his story um like the Mach aberacha seriously can't you like compose some quality music? Something of that mean word. Critiquing the Yeah, like pooh-poohing it. And this this this that this did so good for me. This made you what the mad? Yeah, I think I mean this was the first claim to fame for you really. And every kid knows the song. I mean every a lot of adults of people know it. It's a big big song. It's got 11 million views. I guess That's by the way that's just Jews. That's That's got to be very diverse to get that many views. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But to say it was my breakout moment when people got to know me it was like when Bitcoin will reach a million. You know what I mean? A lot of people are going to come online, but the people came online when you say the breakout of fame came in 2015. I did a cover of a Yossi Green song. And that's what That's when it became the change. I started taking from 11 to 1400. And I found Naftali Schnitzler the producer. I put out a video. So nonchalant. So without any expectations. The whole band was five pieces and years later Avraham Fried from Freilach would tell me that he wasn't attracted to do this clip because it wasn't an attractive band for him. He wants to put out a clip should be a big brass section and some strings and a percussion and a choir. That's a production he wants to put out the Freilach clip. By me it was one saxophone. And then the band. The drum, the bass, the guitar, and the keys. That's it. Nothing. And they had like such a back in the day like a jihad. Remember they had a big sign in the back of the band. He just pulled our background jihad. Not just us, but even all the other bands in Israel it was a thing to have a big black shmatteh in the back with writing. You remember it was a stage That's a green screen. Yeah, they got rid of it. Yeah. The choir stand up comedians you are you're very long Maybe one I'm not ruling that out. No, never. But I'm not ruling it out. I think entertainment doesn't have to come just from music. It's so can be storytelling, stand up comedians. A lot of ways to entertain. A lot of ways. But I want to finish. What was I saying? Oh, so I did this cover from Reboin and Avraham Fried says that he wouldn't put it out. And I did it. I didn't even think it's going to go anywhere. I was just happy. I didn't even Mendy Hershkowitz was with Freilach band. You know Mendy Hershkowitz? Yes, we heard of Freilach band. So so he doesn't work for Freilach. He has his own band now, but back then he was there. And I I was scared to communicate with him. I There was a third guy named Yanky Feckete. And he was like the roadie. And I would talk to him and he's going to talk to Mendy. And he told me don't worry Mendy he's a good guy. I was like so new and we put out this clip and it took off because it was it was organic. I wasn't trying to copy. I wasn't looking. I was just you know, okay let me put out a clip. This is what we're going to do. And it was the second time I did the song. I did it a few months before and we prepared. I called the video guy and there was a big band it was in the palace with a choir. And I did the song I was I wasn't feeling so good. And I scrapped it. And the video guy tells me dude just go in the studio redo it. And I said no. I needed to be organic. The next chasunah was like Boim it was Freilach it was a small band, but I told Mendy we're going to do it there. I called the guy Motty Engel his name is. He took the video. Was not not not not nothing big. We put it out. That was my first big break. Where everybody especially in the business were okay there's new something Mhm. fresh. And Mordechai Ben David was saying that in interviews that would make me feel very good. Who always there's new singers but you just asked me. And he would say Shmili Ungar this guy stands out. Yeah, and I felt I I would call him up and I would Yeah. I felt so good when he said that. That's great validation. Mordechai Ben David was considered to be a star. Yeah, especially by the Chassidishe world. Especially in the Chassidishe world. He was one of my favorite singers. He was always growing up when I listen to Jewish music he was the By the way, I'll never forget his song I can't sing it. I'm not even going to try. But the song that he made um about the pekele you know, in the closet and everybody would you know, look at the world's problems. Everybody would end up taking their Maybe maybe tell the story for the audience. Tell Give Give go brush it over. It's a beautiful story. It's a very beautiful story. It's about this guy that's struggling. The guy's having a really really hard time and he was complaining and he's like why do I have it so hard? Why do I have it so difficult? Why can't I just be like other people that have it a lot easier than me. And sometimes to the rebbe. he has a dream and he goes up He doesn't have a dream? No, he goes to his rebbe and he complains. He complains, right? Yeah, so the rebbe He I don't know what come into my room in the back. Mhm. I will show a lot of packlekh." Okay, I was Okay, that's basically a dream. I'm saying, you know. Yeah, I I I I think But the rubber had a closet with the world's problems in there? I guess it was a dream. I I was using it metaphorically. I was saying You're right. Yes. All right, go ahead. Go ahead. But yeah, I I was just worried you're going to mess up I don't want you to mess it up. It's still good. I almost messed it up. I'll be quiet. No, no. That's a dream. Yeah, you know, he goes into this deep slumber, you know, and he he he meets his rebel over there and his rebel says, "Look, I know you've been complaining to me a lot. Today is your lucky day. I'm actually going to take you to a room where they store all the world's problems and you're going to have be able to choose. We don't let people normally do this, but you can choose which one you want." lucky day. And he's like, "Wow!" He's excited and you know, and he goes into the into the room and he starts going through it. He starts, you know, going through each person's packages and seeing, "All right, this person has this kind of life where he has good things and his bad things. I think I can do better than this." And then he goes and by the time he finishes, he doesn't even realize he ends up picking his own life all over again. He ended up picking his own thing because at the end of the day, we always think the grass is greener on the other side. We really do. We really do and we don't know what goes on behind closed doors. We only know about the things we see. What the other people let us see. And what the other people let us see. Yeah, we see what the other people let us see. Exactly. Exactly. And that was a very big lesson it was. The Lexus that we started before. That's So now you know when it's time to finish the podcast. He made a whole end End with what you started. The story song is amazing. The story that I heard about the packlekh that he was looking in this room and he saw all these kinds of big bags, small bags, white bags, black bags. And then he saw something a little smaller. He says, "That one. I want that one." He says, "This one, this is your package to begin with." But then he looked again all these kinds of bags. I'm sorry, how does the song go? That's a great It's a long song. song. It's a long song because it's a very story time. I don't want to hear it 10 minutes. I just want to know what's what's the tune. I don't know. You don't know the The packlekh song. Okay, you speak Yiddish, right? Not really. I You could understand it on Purim once for a day. Yeah. I'll I'll send you the song and then you can I thought you were going to start singing it. I thought you were going to start singing it for me. No, I can't sing it. Even though I don't know the words, I wouldn't I don't know To me like I think a testament to the success of this specific episode is how long the time has gone. I'm have missed calls from my personal instructor. Where are you? Where are you? So you got to go. Bye. I'm assuming it's not I'm afraid of is my personal going to say I'm assuming it's not the first time you had a missed call. It happens. Yeah, it happens. No, but I double shift. I moved up. It's not like you never missed the gym before. I didn't, but I moved up the gym today so I can we can work out a podcast. He asked me so I told him I can It's okay. It was a good reason if there's going to be one person that's going to go out and do their research on Bitcoin. I'm very serious. You're going to be the first millionaire in your family. You might be able to change a lot of things there. Don't ever sell it. Just keep it might not it might not, you know, happen in the next 5 10 years. No, you have to have a long time horizon. 2040. People ask me I should buy for them Bitcoin because they don't know the ba ba ba. So I take their money and I buy Bitcoin. I send them back a message, "You have by me 500,000 sat." nice of you, by the Yeah, it is. It is. I think it is. And oh, and I write them back that you have by me 500,000 Bitcoins and you don't you don't ask it back until 2040. And if you ask it back before 2040, you get half. Really? Yeah, because this is the I'm not trying to making money out of this. I don't want to make If they're going to sell it before, I'll be I guess I'll make some of the sats. Yeah. what? You're learning But also I'm I'm paying for all these transaction fees and when they're going to take it out if there's going to be a tax, I'm going to be paying the tax. So it's all things together. I just want you to know, I don't know if it's out of place saying this, but your grandfather would be proud. You're making them your partner. You're forcing them to be in with you. Yeah. You're giving them something to go to and paying it forward. And you're paying it forward. put you in business. He started your life. But my grandfather saved cash. One of his biggest biggest mistake he would tell me he would take me to the attic and would show me the the cash and I never told this to anybody, not even from my family. He would show me boxes of cash of dollar bills and they were crumbling. They were falling apart. They were rotten. And he says, "Okay, this I can't use anymore. Oh, look what I have over there." He used to show me he used to collect stamps. And he was a very big cash guy. Because in his time when he was growing up, cash was actually worth something and he was always telling me like the like the save save cash cash cash. He wasn't even in the in the mindset of putting down a down payment of a hundred grand and paying a mortgage. He said, "You save 500 grand and you get yourself the house." This was his mindset. So when it comes to business, he wasn't he doesn't have the mind that I have when it comes to business. For one thing, guys I was making it take two two fifty. I don't share that mindset. Cash, I hate cash. I used to love it. I hate it. When it came to buy my house and I I tell them guys, she does wasn't interested in the She wanted to see the numbers in the bank. I had to find a loan in a matuna because cash cash it was Because the government did a decent job of auditing so many people that cash doesn't have value like it used to. So you pay cash for your construction, I'll give you 50% cash, get a 10% reduction. You don't have that anymore. Everything is Cash is like fish, I tell you. Yeah, but I want to say one thing and then we can go on with I tell people cash is like fish. Fish the moment you kill it, it starts going bad. When you get paid in cash, you got to spend it because as soon as it's laying by you until the way to the grocery, it's getting devalued. It's true. It's not a mission. I love your passion and your knowledge about Bitcoin and it was so much fun. much so much more to go. We're going to continue another time. My comment was I think this is our 42nd episode. Oh, 42. I was going I don't know the number. How do you put out two a week, three a week? Every week. So you've been doing it for 42 weeks. Almost a year. Almost July of this Because I started before you and I'm now up only to 50. Really? You do it every week? Once in once every two weeks, twice a month. We do once every week and this is our 42nd episode. I think we only missed one week so far which was the Purim week of Purim. Okay, that's good. We actually got one. We missed You know, this is this is the top 1% of podcasts, you know. Have you ever done the research? No. So 90% of podcasts that open up go to three. Not more than three. It dies down. The 90% that's the 10% that's left, 90% of that goes till 10. Uh-huh. And 1% of that goes past 21. 21, if you go past 21, that's when you the top 1%. Yeah, so we are about 42 43. Look at us. Look at you. We're in the 1% we are. I'm very proud of us. Finally we're part of the 1%. Anyway, we were going to say the compliment. is this 42nd episode. He's like, "What?" That's not that's a good thing. Uh 42 episodes in this was my favorite episode. Oh, that's very nice. This really was. Because because this was very spontaneous. I did not see this coming. I got hit like a freight train when you started talking about Bitcoin. I almost didn't want to hear you out because I I know, you were trying to run. And he held me. He said, "Shh." And he did. He he kept me quiet and he kept me open-minded to listening, but I was like, "You're a singer. What do you know about Bitcoin?" And I didn't want to listen. And then I'm so happy that I did because I actually learned something today in a really big way I learned something. And you also explained it in a very simple fashion. I did. That I was able to think that I'm not so No, you explained it really well. Okay. You really Because I'm still learning. I have so many When you told me tell me the opposite, I said, "Okay, what what am I going to do?" And I just started. Yeah, you were great. You were great and and I got to know you I feel like a little bit got to understand your personality and who you are. We are like we are almost related. are. Yeah, let's spend another 10 minutes. I promise you. I love it. I appreciate your time. we're finishing it up for the 10th time already. I want to thank our listeners. Please real. I'm putting the camera away. That's it. I want to thank our listeners. Please don't forget to like, subscribe, comment. Thank you for Prime Source Production team and everyone that stands behind it. We will see you next time. Thank you very much. I said it right.